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"Houston, We Have A Problem": First US Moon Lander Mission In 50 Years Suffers 'Critical' Fuel Loss​


by Tyler Durden​



America's first commercial moon lander, and the first to launch from the Lower 48 in five decades, suffered a "critical" propellant loss from a fuel leak hours after United Launch Alliance's new Vulcan booster blasted the spacecraft into space early Monday morning.
"An ongoing propellant leak is causing the spacecraft's Attitude Control System (ACS) thrusters to operate well beyond their expected service life cycles to keep the lander from an uncontrollable tumble," Pittsburgh-based company Astrobotic Technology wrote in a statement about its Peregrine robotic lunar lander.

Astrobotic continued: "If the thrusters can continue to operate, we believe the spacecraft could continue in a stable sun-pointing state for approximately 40 more hours, based on current fuel consumption."
"At this time, the goal is to get Peregrine as close to lunar distance as we can before it loses the ability to maintain its sun-pointing position and subsequently loses power," Astrobotic added.

Update #6 for Peregrine Mission One: pic.twitter.com/lXh9kcubXs
— Astrobotic (@astrobotic) January 9, 2024

After launching from Florida at 0218 ET Monday aboard the Vulcan booster, the Peregrine lander separated from the rocket about an hour later and "entered a safe operational state." Hours after separation, the propulsion system issue occurred.
The first U.S. commercial robotic launch to the Moon successfully lifted off Jan. 8 on the first flight of @ULALaunch’s #VulcanRocket. @Astrobotic’s Peregrine Mission 1 lander is expected to reach the lunar surface in February: NASA Science Heads to Moon on First US Private Robotic Artemis Flight - NASA pic.twitter.com/N7Mxiqi8GC
— NASA (@NASA) January 8, 2024

The failure of the propulsion system means the moon landing, initially scheduled for February 23, is no longer possible.
Astrobotic posted an image of Peregrine in space on social media platform X.
(1/4) We’ve received the first image from Peregrine in space! The camera utilized is mounted atop a payload deck and shows Multi-Layer Insulation (MLI) in the foreground. pic.twitter.com/dUuu0Idz8K
— Astrobotic (@astrobotic) January 8, 2024

X users pointed out that parts of the spacecraft's outer skeleton appear 'crinkled.'
Did someone take a baseball bat to that a thing?
— DJ || ️‍ || #exGOP (@XDXJ) January 8, 2024
Crinkled metal on spacecraft, oh my!! Houston, we have a problem.
— Ole Danielson (@oledanielson) January 8, 2024
Astrobotic developed Peregrine under a $108 million contract with NASA.


"Houston, We Have A Problem": First US Moon Lander Mission In 50 Years Suffers 'Critical' Fuel Loss | ZeroHedge
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Of course it is the FUEL pressure that keeps rocket fuel tanks from collapsing on takeoff. The tank skin is impossibly thin structurally for the liftoff by itself, only the fuel pressure inside makes a vehicle that can actually take off.

So perhaps fuel has been leaking for a while and rigors of the trip have caused a "premature collapse?"

Dobbin
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
I saw an interesting video of remote viewers regarding the failed Israeli landing attempt. They viewed what could be interpreted as the activation of a defensive mechanism that incapacitated the lander.

Woo people like CH will tell you that there is considerable "other world" activity taking place right now on the moon and we are seeing an increase in UAP/UFO sightings.

Bruce Sees All monitors the moon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwXFxXgYPh0edZ9zWi-331A

Things that make you go hmmm.

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fi103r

Veteran Member
I saw an interesting video of remote viewers regarding the failed Israeli landing attempt. They viewed what could be interpreted as the activation of a defensive mechanism that incapacitated the lander.

Woo people like CH will tell you that there is considerable "other world" activity taking place right now on the moon and we are seeing an increase in UAP/UFO sightings.

Bruce Sees All monitors the moon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwXFxXgYPh0edZ9zWi-331A

Things that make you go hmmm.

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that looks like way overstressed kind of torn between aerodynamic stress and tank got under pressurized (the leaks) either case
back to the drawing board
 

Hawkgirl_70

Veteran Member
I saw an interesting video of remote viewers regarding the failed Israeli landing attempt. They viewed what could be interpreted as the activation of a defensive mechanism that incapacitated the lander.

Woo people like CH will tell you that there is considerable "other world" activity taking place right now on the moon and we are seeing an increase in UAP/UFO sightings.

Bruce Sees All monitors the moon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwXFxXgYPh0edZ9zWi-331A

Things that make you go hmmm.

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Which specific video did you watch on his YouTube channel?
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
From what I understand, NASA had two contractors building private industry lunar rovers on the cheap. The other company, Intuitive Machines, will launch its lunar lander (called Nova-C) via SpaceX rocket sometime in February. This mission will fly straight to the Moon in about one week instead of using the complicated orbits that seem so popular lately and which take months to get there. There may (or may not, considering the troubled history) also be a manned mission before the end of 2024 which will fly four astronauts around the Moon (no landing this time).
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I found a Wikipedia page for the Nova-C lunar lander (not rover). There are, in fact, three Intuitive Machines lunar missions that will launch in 2024. IM-2 (Nova-C is IM-1) is expected to be launched in mid-2024 and IM-3 sometime before the end of the year.

 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There may (or may not, considering the troubled history) also be a manned mission before the end of 2024 which will fly four astronauts around the Moon (no landing this time).

The radio this morning announced this manned lunar flyby mission will now launch no earlier than September 2025 due to various concerns. The manned lunar landing (apparently with DEI astronauts) has also been pushed back to no earlier than September 2026.
 

Groucho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just a memory here. In 1969 when we put men on the moon, there were only white men in the control center in Houston. My, how times have changed. Those guys were there because of what they knew. Not because of what they were. D.E.I. is going to be the end of this once great country.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Just a memory here. In 1969 when we put men on the moon, there were only white men in the control center in Houston. My, how times have changed. Those guys were there because of what they knew. Not because of what they were. D.E.I. is going to be the end of this once great country.
I work in the industry, and I can tell you that race isn't really a factor. I've met people of races from all over the world, and they want to work in the space programs, with great motivation and intellect. They are there because of what they know, that hasn't changed.

I'd say that the two main impediments to successful space enterprises are:

1. The extreme nature of space itself.
2. Not following through on success.

Number one can be greatly mitigated by number two. Number two is a problem where we do something once, plant the flag, then move on. Why is it hard to land on the moon? Because we don't practice enough, meaning our skills get stale, lessons are lost, and even whole generations have to re-learn how to do it.

The reason SpaceX is successful in launching things and landing them for reuse is that they do it A LOT. Practice, practice, practice.

We don't have problems with this sort of thing because the racial mix has changed.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
For what it's worth, on January 19th (about 15:20:00 UTC) the Japanese will attempt to land its Smart Lander for Investigating Moon (SLIM) lander on the Moon. Theoretically the mission will land autonomously (that is, no human decisions or actions will be made during the landing itself).
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
RTG (radioisotope thermoelectric generator, which is what I'm assuming Ambros meant) power supplies are generally reserved for unmanned situations and often are the power of choice for deep space missions beyond Mars. Not so much for lunar missions, where solar is usually good enough. Interestingly, both the Soviets and the U.S. used RTGs for Arctic and Antarctic sites as well as for ocean buoys far from land. I gather from my admittedly quick scan of the Wikipedia site that RTGs are usually very expensive, which would pretty much eliminate them as the power source of choice on a built-on-the-cheap private industry lunar mission. Or not.

 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
... Intuitive Machines will launch its lunar lander (called Nova-C) via SpaceX rocket sometime in February. This mission will fly straight to the Moon in about one week instead of using the complicated orbits that seem so popular lately ...

Apparently Nova-C (the latest lunar lander mission) will launch tonight. It's scheduled to launch at 10:05 p,m. EST (about a half-hour from now). It's really more of a proof-of-concept mission, but it does have payloads.

Intuitive Machines Nova-C - Wikipedia
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Yep went there and back and used slide rulers to do it. Didn’t really have those giga bite machines back in the old days.

I watched a YouTube video where a bunch of guys were trying to restore one of the computers they used for the Apollo missions and it was way less a computer than the old 286 computers, they had to replace all the capacitor's and other components and then program it which took days to do.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Apparently Nova-C (the latest lunar lander mission) will launch tonight ...

From Wikipedia: "The first of three Nova-C landers, the Mission IM-1/Nova-C Odysseus Lander, launched on 15 February 2024 at 1:05 AM EST."

So the U.S. does have a lunar lander mission in play again after lo these many decades. Albeit built and launched by private companies.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
I watched a YouTube video where a bunch of guys were trying to restore one of the computers they used for the Apollo missions and it was way less a computer than the old 286 computers, they had to replace all the capacitor's and other components and then program it which took days to do.

On a related note, the scientists were able to bring back PONG and FROGGER video games.
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I work in the industry, and I can tell you that race isn't really a factor. I've met people of races from all over the world, and they want to work in the space programs, with great motivation and intellect. They are there because of what they know, that hasn't changed.

I'd say that the two main impediments to successful space enterprises are:

1. The extreme nature of space itself.
2. Not following through on success.

Number one can be greatly mitigated by number two. Number two is a problem where we do something once, plant the flag, then move on. Why is it hard to land on the moon? Because we don't practice enough, meaning our skills get stale, lessons are lost, and even whole generations have to re-learn how to do it.

The reason SpaceX is successful in launching things and landing them for reuse is that they do it A LOT. Practice, practice, practice.

We don't have problems with this sort of thing because the racial mix has changed.
People of color who qualify to work on such a program are the exception not the rule.......fine to have them on board but when you are using any form of racial quota to fill those spots then things can become a problem.

Hell why is it that Whites created modern civilization, split the atom, walked on the moon when the rest of the worlds Yellow, Red, Brown and Blacks struggled to feed their own people?

It was not oppression in which White people succeeded worldwide in modernizing the world.........it is the fact that White people were cognitively/risk and adventure capable to modernize the world to begin with at times led to oppression of others but the cognitive capacity among a larger percentages of White males above IQs of 130 is what lead to their dominance in the forefront of innovation and technology...........
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
People of color who qualify to work on such a program are the exception not the rule.......fine to have them on board but when you are using any form of racial quota to fill those spots then things can become a problem.

Hell why is it that Whites created modern civilization, split the atom, walked on the moon when the rest of the worlds Yellow, Red, Brown and Blacks struggled to feed their own people?

It was not oppression in which White people succeeded worldwide in modernizing the world.........it is the fact that White people were cognitively/risk and adventure capable to modernize the world to begin with at times led to oppression of others but the cognitive capacity among a larger percentages of White males above IQs of 130 is what lead to their dominance in the forefront of innovation and technology...........
This is how the Indians (dot) managed to fool the US by watching and calculating when the US Eye Spys went over and simply went inside until they passed when they were building their nuclear bomb program. Or, as my Chinese-American brother-in-law loves to point out at the dinner table, Asians tend to have the highest IQ and Academic scores.

I'm sure the African American ladies who NASA used in the early days as Human Calculators (aka computers) featured in Hidden Figures would also find this interesting. So would Dr. Ben Caron, who Nightwolf said may yet get a noble prize for his groundbreaking work in pediatric neurosurgery, regardless of what he does on politics.

Modern IQ tests are for education, which is why they are a good predictor of how a child may do in the educational system.

And yes, I agree that "affirmative hires," especially in the sciences, is nonsense. Not only does it lead to bad science (and fatal engineering mistakes), but it is also LAZY. Plenty of qualified Ph. Ds and highly trained people earned their educations and training. Hiring them is a good idea when hiring white people, too. You want the best person for the job. Quotas of any sort, especially in the sciences and engineering, are a bad idea.
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is how the Indians (dot) managed to fool the US by watching and calculating when the US Eye Spys went over and simply went inside until they passed when they were building their nuclear bomb program. Or, as my Chinese-American brother-in-law loves to point out at the dinner table, Asians tend to have the highest IQ and Academic scores.

I'm sure the African American ladies who NASA used in the early days as Human Calculators (aka computers) featured in Hidden Figures would also find this interesting. So would Dr. Ben Caron, who Nightwolf said may yet get a noble prize for his groundbreaking work in pediatric neurosurgery, regardless of what he does on politics.

Modern IQ tests are for education, which is why they are a good predictor of how a child may do in the educational system.

And yes, I agree that "affirmative hires," especially in the sciences, is nonsense. Not only does it lead to bad science (and fatal engineering mistakes), but it is also LAZY. Plenty of qualified Ph. Ds and highly trained people earned their educations and training. Hiring them is a good idea when hiring white people, too. You want the best person for the job. Quotas of any sort, especially in the sciences and engineering, are a bad idea.

Another factor is a more specific examination of both the IQ testing levels and the cultural/moral imperative behind social progress. For instance.......while North Asians as a rule test in a higher mean IQ than Western Whites once you get beyond 140 in IQ the Asians start to drop off. While no Black in 11 million tests has ever tested higher than 147 there is a unique domain in the rare 150 plus IQ testing are that is dominated by White males out of the same amount of population tested (11 million) including even Asians.........

......now the other factor is culturally the impact on the cognitive ability. For instance, in the West we prize individual rights and freedoms and admire those who take chances and risk for greatness...........which is essential for taking bright people and accomplishing something with them. This is why the West explored the world and heavens before everyone else........ including the so labeled overall brighter Northern Asian population.

In the Eastern mind set of those smart Northern Asians had a cultural tradition that is not focused on the individual but the collective community.....for the Eastern mindset risk taking means the possibility of failure which brings shame to your family and community. Hence innovation in the historical cultural tradition of Asians has lagged behind because of that cultural mindset. Not so much today since they are so strongly influence by the West in the global community nowadays but going back as little as 20 to 40 years ago that was common place.

There is no more telling example of large scale IQ mean of a population its is functioning than to see what happens to a country/city where former White colonialism is abandoned or leaves the native population and examine what happens to that area when the collective higher IQ innovative population leaves.............with Blacks look at the state of Haiti, Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) the Congo and South Africa today after the White man's rule ended there........the overall low IQ population cannot maintain an economy nor infrastructure to support society and they turn everything into dystrophia existence over time.

Now contrast that same situation with Hong Kong....................here was a colonial hold......that was built, maintained and run by Whites who in 1999 ended their contractual reign with the Asians and left it to be run by the native Asians............and how is it doing today?.....................

Wonderfully, in fact they have been able to even improve some aspects of their economy and infrastructure. That is the result of a population with a mean IQ high enough to be able to understand and maintain a modern society.

There is no better example of race and the large scale impact of cognitive functioning (as measured by IQ) that this example of Whites handing over rule to Blacks or Asians and observing the results of that.

Overall thought its not the complete picture..............There are 3 factors here essential to human society on a large scale functioning properly and they are ...1) the mean population IQ..............2) the right cultural imperatives (individual rights and risk taking)......... and 3) general population moral construct (trust, care and cooperation)........... in order to create and maintain a large scale modern society. If any large population fails in any 3 of those factors society will suffer.
 

Knoxville's Joker

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Another factor is a more specific examination of both the IQ testing levels and the cultural/moral imperative behind social progress. For instance.......while North Asians as a rule test in a higher mean IQ than Western Whites once you get beyond 140 in IQ the Asians start to drop off. While no Black in 11 million tests has ever tested higher than 147 there is a unique domain in the rare 150 plus IQ testing are that is dominated by White males out of the same amount of population tested (11 million) including even Asians.........

......now the other factor is culturally the impact on the cognitive ability. For instance, in the West we prize individual rights and freedoms and admire those who take chances and risk for greatness...........which is essential for taking bright people and accomplishing something with them. This is why the West explored the world and heavens before everyone else........ including the so labeled overall brighter Northern Asian population.

In the Eastern mind set of those smart Northern Asians had a cultural tradition that is not focused on the individual but the collective community.....for the Eastern mindset risk taking means the possibility of failure which brings shame to your family and community. Hence innovation in the historical cultural tradition of Asians has lagged behind because of that cultural mindset. Not so much today since they are so strongly influence by the West in the global community nowadays but going back as little as 20 to 40 years ago that was common place.

There is no more telling example of large scale IQ mean of a population its is functioning than to see what happens to a country/city where former White colonialism is abandoned or leaves the native population and examine what happens to that area when the collective higher IQ innovative population leaves.............with Blacks look at the state of Haiti, Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) the Congo and South Africa today after the White man's rule ended there........the overall low IQ population cannot maintain an economy nor infrastructure to support society and they turn everything into dystrophia existence over time.

Now contrast that same situation with Hong Kong....................here was a colonial hold......that was built, maintained and run by Whites who in 1999 ended their contractual reign with the Asians and left it to be run by the native Asians............and how is it doing today?.....................

Wonderfully, in fact they have been able to even improve some aspects of their economy and infrastructure. That is the result of a population with a mean IQ high enough to be able to understand and maintain a modern society.

There is no better example of race and the large scale impact of cognitive functioning (as measured by IQ) that this example of Whites handing over rule to Blacks or Asians and observing the results of that.

Overall thought its not the complete picture..............There are 3 factors here essential to human society on a large scale functioning properly and they are ...1) the mean population IQ..............2) the right cultural imperatives (individual rights and risk taking)......... and 3) general population moral construct (trust, care and cooperation)........... in order to create and maintain a large scale modern society. If any large population fails in any 3 of those factors society will suffer.
And why most nations have genocided the low iq native populations throughout history…
 
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