BRKG IA GUN OWNERS REPORT EFFECTS NJ GUN LAWS ON RELIEF WORKERS

Orion Commander

Veteran Member
According to Iowa Gun Owners this is what going to help dissaster relief in New Jersey will get you. For my money NJ and NY can just fix their problems themselves. There were similar happenings during super storm sandy with relief electrical grid repair personel from other states coming to aid the New York City area. If you bite the hand that feeds you then go hungary, wet, and cold. I no longer care.

Govenor Christi will never get my vote. There are pictures at the link that will not copy&paste for me



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From: Iowa Gun Owners
Date sent 07/09/2015 09:07:11 am
Subject: Got Your Cell Phone Handy?





John,

Yesterday we sent you a shocking report out of New Jersey about fellow gun owner Brian Fletcher.

Brian is facing 5-10 years in the state penitentiary and a $150,000 fine for an honest mistake – the latest in a string of victims to fall prey to Governor Chris Christie’s radical war on the 2nd Amendment!

Now, Chris Christie is asking gun owners in Iowa to back his bid for the GOP nomination as he runs for president!

We asked you to call his campaign headquarters...and call you did!

Governor Christie and his staff are feeling the heat and getting desperate.

That’s why it’s urgent, if you haven’t yet called his campaign office, to do so right away at 973-936-9318, or leave him a message right here on his facebook page.

If you called yesterday, please call again today.

The message is simple: you’re a gun owner, you vote, and Christie’s treatment of this gun owner will tell you everything you need to know about his stance on the 2nd Amendment.

For the complete story, please read the message below and then take IMMEDIATE action!

Thanks,

Aaron







Dear John, July 8, 2015

Imagine having to call your wife in the middle of the night to figure out how you can cough up enough money to cover a $25,000 bond to get out of jail - and having to tell her that you’re facing 10 years in the State Penitentiary and a fine of up to $150,000!

This real life story is being played out right now by Brian Fletcher - a gun owner from North Carolina – and as Iowans we have a unique ability to help. More on that below.

Brian’s crime?

He and his employees traveled to New Jersey 11 days ago as part of a disaster response team (Brian and his company provide emergency repair services to cell phone towers after natural disasters) and brought his concealed Glock 21 along for the ride.

That’s right – they were providing emergency disaster aid for New Jersey.

Brian and his guys had one hour to pack their personal belongings and their needed work equipment before heading up to New Jersey to provide this critical disaster response.

Without even thinking about it, Brian packed his Glock 21 just as he would for any other day of work.

After Brian and his crew worked close to a 24-hr straight shift, they were told to ‘stand-by’ and await the address for the next tower they would be dispatched to fix.

When I personally spoke to Brian yesterday he told me that the ‘stand by’ order came at around midnight.

Since they were exhausted, Brian told me that he and an employee parked in a bank parking lot assuming that the bright lights and presumable security cameras would keep people away from the valuable tools and assorted gear contained in their work truck.





(Brian Fletcher is pictured here with his wife and children. Brian is facing 10 years in prison for bringing a handgun into New Jersey while helping with disaster relief.)

Moments later, a police officer rolled up behind Brian and one of his co-workers to see what they were up to.

Brian and his buddy got out and spoke with the officer for a few minutes.

They explained who they were, what critical disaster services they were in the state to provide, and that they were dozing in the parking lot awaiting their next assignment.

As the officer turned to leave she asked to see Brian’s ID.

Brian told the officer that his ID was in his work truck and as they walked towards the truck to get it he volunteered that his Glock was in the truck and safely pointed it out to the officer.

You see, in Brian’s home state of North Carolina, he’s required by law to notify police officers if he’s carrying a defensive firearm whenever he’s stopped by the police. So it was a kind of ‘muscle-memory’ that made him volunteer that he had a gun in his vehicle.

While some may be tempted to blame Brian for telling the officer, that would be a mistake.

If anything, these actions prove that Brian is one of the good guys who went above and beyond what he had to do as a law abiding gun owner when he informed the officer that he had a gun in the vehicle.

For this ‘crime,’ Brian told me he’s been charged with a Class 2 felony which, per New Jersey law, carries a maximum prison sentence of 10 years and a fine of $150,000.

Ten years.

Think about that.

That’s the radically anti-gun culture that New Jersey Governor and now presidential candidate Chris Christie has allowed to develop under his reign.

Of course, Christie’s war on the 2nd Amendment is well known.

In fact, when he first ran for the state legislature in New Jersey it was to advance a radical gun-control agenda as you can see from his own campaign flyer below!





(A campaign flyer put out by Chris Christie when he ran for office way back in 1993 - showing that his anti-gun roots run very deep.)

Besides doing nothing to fix the ban on gun shows or repeal the ban on modern rifles, Christie called for a permanent ban just two years ago on big bore rifles and has recently expanded the powers of the notoriously anti-gun state police as they intimidate and harass gun shop owners.

And while it’s easy to chalk this up to liberal policies in a liberal state – there is a very real husband, wife and two kids who are facing unimaginable hardships unless gun owners can help him.

As Iowa gun owners, we’re uniquely placed to put heat on Gov. Christie as he’s trying to convince us, voters in the first-in-the-nation caucus state, to back his bid for the White House.

Gov. Christie is responsible for the disastrous treatment of gun owners in New Jersey and he’s gone out of his way to foster the radical anti-gun culture that permeates the law enforcement and prosecutorial agencies within the state government.

But as much as these policies endanger innocent gun owners in New Jersey – it’s out-of-state gun owners who seem to pay an even higher price.

As the chief executive of New Jersey, Christie can work with his Attorney General to reduce these charges to a more minor misdemeanor violation that would involve no jail time, or he could see the charges against Mr. Fletcher dismissed all together.

Anything less should make it clear that Christie’s war on the 2nd Amendment is alive and well.

And while it’s true that we don’t know Mr. Fletcher personally and can’t vouch for every detail, what reportedly happened to him fits a long-established pattern of abuse that gun owners have suffered in New Jersey at the hands of Gov. Christie.

That’s why I’m urging you to call Gov. Christie’s campaign headquarters at 973-936-9318 TODAY!

Tell them that you’re from Iowa, you vote in the caucuses, and that you expect Gov. Christie to intervene in this case.

Make sure they know that his actions or inactions in this case will speak volumes to you about his thoughts on the 2nd Amendment.

After you’ve called, please be sure to forward this email to all of your friends here in Iowa and make sure they make a call as well.

You may remember a similar case that happened in New Jersey just last year.

Shaneen Allen was facing substantial time in prison for almost the exact same thing. Governor Christie was flooded with phone calls then too – and reduced the charges that allowed Ms. Allen to avoid prison.

And that was before he was publicly running to be president.

So make sure he hears from you TODAY. You can also leave him a message on his Facebook page.

Whatever you do, please take action right away – this family is counting on it!


For Freedom,



Aaron Dorr
Executive Director

P.S. Governor Chris Christie’s radical assault on the 2nd Amendment is about to claim another victim.

Brian Fletcher, who owns a cell phone tower repair company that specializes in disaster response work in North Carolina, was in New Jersey just 11 days ago working on storm-damaged towers.

After working for almost 24-hours straight, Mr. Fletcher and an employee were napping in a parking lot awaiting the location of the next damaged cell tower when he was approached by the police.

Mr. Fletcher, who reportedly has no criminal background, informed the police that he had his Glock 21 in his truck (something that he’s required to do in his home state of North Carolina) and is now facing a 10 year prison sentence and a fine of up to $150,000!

As Governor, Chris Christie can dismiss or reduce these charges and that’s why I hope you’ll take a moment to contact Christie’s campaign headquarters at 973-936-9318 or leave a message on his Facebook page.

Tell his staff that you’re a gun owner, you live in Iowa, and you vote in the caucuses - and demand that Christie intervene in this case.

Remind them that his actions in this case will speak volumes to you about whether or not Christie supports your gun rights.

Call now!
 
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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Go to NEW JERSEY? With a PISTOL? Bet he even had it loaded with HOLLOWPOINTS too. Dude should have done his homework.

I wouldn't go to New Jersey on a bet.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
I don't think you need to persuade many Iowans to tell Chrispy Cream to go screw himself .... he's not exactly rolling in the polls .... NY or NJ is all the same in the Midwest

All I need to remember is Crispy royally kizzing Obammy's black azz after Storm Sandy .... you'd a thought Obammy parted the storm and personally saved New Jersey
 

The Traveler

Veteran Member
Sorry, I have no sympathy for him. We all make mistakes in life and when we do they usually cost us sometimes dearly as in this case. You have a responsibility when you carry a pistol, you have a responsibility to know the laws in the states in which you travel. In the hour he had to prepare to travel, he should have taken the time to see what the laws were in all the states he traveled through. He chose not to so the end result is a bad situation for him and his family. I hope he has a good lawyer and a understanding wife.
 

Orion Commander

Veteran Member
The traveler, while I generaly agree with checking the laws however if NJ and NY want draconian laws and help from those who live in other areas then they can kiss my grits.

If his life and or tools were damaged there by the good upstanding criminals those same police would say to bad so sad.
 
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medic38572

TB Fanatic
Go to NEW JERSEY? With a PISTOL? Bet he even had it loaded with HOLLOWPOINTS too. Dude should have done his homework.

I wouldn't go to New Jersey on a bet.

There some places in this country I wouldn't go for my mothers funeral and I am not kidding you! I wouldn't go...And New Jersey is one of them...
 

The Traveler

Veteran Member
The traveler, while I generaly agree with checking the laws however if NJ and NY want draconian laws and help from those who live in other areas then they can kiss my grits.

If his life and or tools were damages ther by the good upstanding criminals those same police would say to bad so sad.

OC I understand your point. He knew there were consequences, he weighed them and lost. That is all I am saying. Case in point, I rode an Ironbutt ride from Salt Lake City to Reno and back in 24 hours the other weekend with some friends. Nevada does not recognize Texas CHL. I did not take my pistol with me. I was with a group of people so I weighed the consequences of not carrying and decided that the odds were on my side that I would make it back safe. I decided the odds of 7 bikes being pulled over in the high desert was a little high and so I chose not to carry. Now, I could have broke down and needed a weapon and not have it. That would have been a mistake I would have paid for. The odds in my opinion were that I wouldn't need it. The odds were in my favor that time. The odds weren't in his unfortunately.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
I thought everyone knew that New Jersey was from a different planet... A planet exclusively populated with sheeple and totalitarians.
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
Sorry, I have no sympathy for him. We all make mistakes in life and when we do they usually cost us sometimes dearly as in this case. You have a responsibility when you carry a pistol, you have a responsibility to know the laws in the states in which you travel. In the hour he had to prepare to travel, he should have taken the time to see what the laws were in all the states he traveled through. He chose not to so the end result is a bad situation for him and his family. I hope he has a good lawyer and a understanding wife.

Shall not infringe. NJ gun laws are an infringement on his right to bear arms. Until National Reciprocity is in place, I'll never travel to the crappy states.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Shall not infringe. NJ gun laws are an infringement on his right to bear arms. Until National Reciprocity is in place, I'll never travel to the crappy states.


The guy more than likely has a real crappie lawyer too! Very few lawyers will challenge the laws in your defense.
 

Secamp32

Veteran Member
Palces I won't go,Pa,Nj,Ny, and Ill .

PA actually has soem of best gun laws in the country. Except in Philly you can open carry without a permit. Permits are issued in some counties within 30 minutes and there are very few no carry zones. I'm still in the PRNY but PA is on my escape list.
 

Kook

A 'maker', not a 'taker'!
I live in SW MO, and frequently travel to Cincy to visit DD. I refuse to even cross over Illinois, not even that huge bridge right at the Southern tip, they might have a checkpoint there. I don't CC yet, but I like to keep a 9mm in the trunk. The go-around adds an hour each way, but AFAIK, IL might as well be ruled by Kim Jong Il.

And NO WAY would I ever travel to NJ for ANY reason, ever! Not even my own funeral would draw me there.
 

Mephib

Senior Member
Christie's view: the gentleman made a mistake and violated our laws. Therefore, he must pay.

Seems to be the view of one or two others on this thread, which is a view that ignores the unconstitutionality, and the tyrannical and draconian nature, of both the law and its enforcement, especially under these circumstances.
 

Foothiller

Veteran Member
Christie's view: the gentleman made a mistake and violated our laws. Therefore, he must pay.

Seems to be the view of one or two others on this thread, which is a view that ignores the unconstitutionality, and the tyrannical and draconian nature, of both the law and its enforcement, especially under these circumstances.

Exactly. The mindset of "all laws are correct and MUST be obeyed" is what led to the enabling act in Germany.

It's the mindset that helped the Gestapo recruit 80% of its staff from the regular police force of Weimar Germany.

Most people think Gestapo and they think Fanatical Nazis. No. The fanatical Nazis were SS for the most part.

The Gestapo were fanatical law abiders and enforcers. Any law. The State was their God.

When Germany made it illegal for Jews to live, they happily enforced that law just as they enforced all others.

NJ state trooper uniforms look like Waffen SS to me. Or Stasi. And like many police officers, they will happily enforce ANY law without remorse or conscience. This is not a coincidence and police hiring standards in the US are congruent with this idea that we need non-thinking enforcers who don't question.

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I will not go there. I will not spend money on any company based there. IL, CA, NY, CT, RI, and MA are also on my 'no go' list. I boycott those states, their tourist attractions, and companies based there as much as I can.

I wish all liberty minded people would abandon those communist shitholes post haste, and leave them to wallow in the mud with their excessive laws, their entitlement populations, and all their do gooder statist know it alls.

Instead of secession, I move that we eject those states from the Union. 43 states is plenty for me. 43 states that somewhat honor the inalienable rights enshrined in the Constitution. 7 states that bear more resemblance to East Germany or North Korea than they do the United States just do not belong and have no right to claim to be a part of a country who's highest value is liberty.

Can we eject them, and D.C. while we're at it? Vote them off the island, so to speak?

Probably not but it's nice to dream sometimes.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
I live in SW MO, and frequently travel to Cincy to visit DD. I refuse to even cross over Illinois, not even that huge bridge right at the Southern tip, they might have a checkpoint there. I don't CC yet, but I like to keep a 9mm in the trunk. The go-around adds an hour each way, but AFAIK, IL might as well be ruled by Kim Jong Il.

And NO WAY would I ever travel to NJ for ANY reason, ever! Not even my own funeral would draw me there.



total idiot ... IL State Troopers have been dealing with the carry laws for decades .... everyday they pull over out of state cars that are illegally carrying weapons - if they arrested everyone the cases would go on forever .... a checkpoint on an interstate? - traffic would be backed up to California ....

please keep on your regular route around the tip .... we have enough idiots down south already
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
Exactly. The mindset of "all laws are correct and MUST be obeyed" is what led to the enabling act in Germany.

It's the mindset that helped the Gestapo recruit 80% of its staff from the regular police force of Weimar Germany.

Most people think Gestapo and they think Fanatical Nazis. No. The fanatical Nazis were SS for the most part.

The Gestapo were fanatical law abiders and enforcers. Any law. The State was their God.

When Germany made it illegal for Jews to live, they happily enforced that law just as they enforced all others.

NJ state trooper uniforms look like Waffen SS to me. Or Stasi. And like many police officers, they will happily enforce ANY law without remorse or conscience. This is not a coincidence and police hiring standards in the US are congruent with this idea that we need non-thinking enforcers who don't question.

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I will not go there. I will not spend money on any company based there. IL, CA, NY, CT, RI, and MA are also on my 'no go' list. I boycott those states, their tourist attractions, and companies based there as much as I can.

I wish all liberty minded people would abandon those communist shitholes post haste, and leave them to wallow in the mud with their excessive laws, their entitlement populations, and all their do gooder statist know it alls.

Instead of secession, I move that we eject those states from the Union. 43 states is plenty for me. 43 states that somewhat honor the inalienable rights enshrined in the Constitution. 7 states that bear more resemblance to East Germany or North Korea than they do the United States just do not belong and have no right to claim to be a part of a country who's highest value is liberty.

Can we eject them, and D.C. while we're at it? Vote them off the island, so to speak?

Probably not but it's nice to dream sometimes.



no one in their right mind goes anywhere near the Blue Ridge ... all you hear is strumming banjos and pigs squealing
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
total idiot ... IL State Troopers have been dealing with the carry laws for decades .... everyday they pull over out of state cars that are illegally carrying weapons - if they arrested everyone the cases would go on forever .... a checkpoint on an interstate? - traffic would be backed up to California ....

please keep on your regular route around the tip .... we have enough idiots down south already

I've avoided travel through Illinois for years because of their asinine gun laws. It was only recently that I came back from St. Louis through Illinois and it was only because of the forced change in concealed carry that allowed me to LEGALLY have my weapon in the vehicle where I can access it. Before, even travelling through the state you had to lock it up in a case where it was inaccessible. I'm wasn't risking an Illinois prison sentence because they want to infringe upon my right to bear arms. Idiotic states won't see any of my money.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Christie will never get THIS gun owner's vote even if he wins the Republican nomination and MOST OTHER GUN OWNERS PROBABLY FEEL THE SAME WAY, so why would he even bother unless he AMENDS his treatment of the second amendment!!

If Christie does nothing to correct that injustice he can just not bother running as far as I am concerned.
 

Garryowen

Deceased
I live in SW MO, and frequently travel to Cincy to visit DD. I refuse to even cross over Illinois, not even that huge bridge right at the Southern tip, they might have a checkpoint there. I don't CC yet, but I like to keep a 9mm in the trunk. The go-around adds an hour each way, but AFAIK, IL might as well be ruled by Kim Jong Il.

And NO WAY would I ever travel to NJ for ANY reason, ever! Not even my own funeral would draw me there.

If your weapon is cased and unloaded, you will be entirely legal in ILL Annoy. The southern part of the state is generally firearm friendly. Around Chicago, I'd detour for numerous factors.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment

no one in their right mind goes anywhere near the Blue Ridge ... all you hear is strumming banjos and pigs squealing


Do stay away. Less ashntrash to have to deal with.

Though I have seen Tourons paddling the New lately wearing "Paddle faster, I hear banjer music" tee shirts.
 
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