WAR ** Israel votes to attack Iran **

mzkitty

mzkitty

I give up.
Guess this should be on its own thread. I had posted it on the Executive Order thread.

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Brent At $126 As Israel Security Cabinet Votes 8 To 6 To Attack Iran

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/16/2012 15:44 -0400


Looking at the tranquil sea that is the S&P one may be forgiven to ignore the rapid intraday surge in Brent which was up over $3 in a few hours, approaching $126 once again. But why? After all the FOMC minutes were oh so very slightly hawkish, and not to mention that the Fed's scribe Hilsenrath told everyone at best the Fed would proceed with sterilized QE which would leave risk prices untouched. Maybe it has something to do with this. According to Israel's NRG, in a just completed cabinet vote, for the first time Netanyahu has gotten a majority (8 over 6) supporting an Iran attack. NRG also notes that at this point Israel has decided to not wait until the US elections in November before proceeding with sending crude to the stratosphere. From NRG (google translated): "Israeli political sources believe that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a majority Cabinet support Israeli military action against Iran without American approval....He announced that he would not hesitate to perform the operation without the approval of President Obama mentioned the precedent of the decision to attack the Iraqi reactor, Prime Minister Menachem Begin, and with the comments heard yesterday some cabinet ministers say privately that "It sounds like a speech preparation for attack." Political - Security Cabinet 14 ministers. According to estimates, at this stage tend to support Netanyahu and
Barak's approach eight ministers, and six against it (including the traditional opponents octet: Moshe Ya'alon, Dan Meridor, Benny Begin and Eli Yishai)." So... $4.00 gas is just around the corner. As is, probably, $5.00 gas. And $6.00 gas.

more at link:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/brent-126-israel-cabinet-votes-8-6-attack-iran
 
Hfcomms

Hfcomms

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Once again Tyler is playing footloose and fancy free with his headlines.

This: ''Israeli political sources believe that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a majority Cabinet support Israeli military action against Iran without American approval'

Does not equal this: ' Israel Security Cabinet Votes 8 To 6 To Attack Iran'

It says first of all that political sources believe.... A belief by unnamed political sources does not equal war and more importantly the Israel cabinet saying that it doesn't need American permission for military action doesn't mean that they are going to start a war. It doesn't mean that anymore than when we say we don't need the UN's permission to take action means that were launching a strike. If the Israeli cabinet really voted to go to war with Iran then I think it would be more noteworthy.
 
twincougars

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Well gas has been going up here in Colville about a nickel a week. Yesterday it was $3.89 a gallon for regular. I think this thread needs a rotating, blinking, light with firecrackers shooting off of it! The overture has been played and now the main opera will commence. I wonder how much of the world will be left when the fat lady sings (if she is still alive).

I think local consequences of this will be, for me anyway, less travel to the "city" (Spokane), and with the likely possible beginning of jihad activity by local Muslims, I will probably not just be concealed carrying, but keeping a long gun in my vehicle when traveling. Just got my first AK yesterday. Yaa-hoo! You can see it at http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1103.aspx.
If nukes start flying, it will be bunker time for who knows how long. Crap! I hope I'll get to plant my garden.
 
twincougars

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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...eli-public-opinion-for-a-war-on-iran-1.418869

Netanyahu is preparing Israeli public opinion for a war on Iran

In response to Netanyahu's AIPAC speech, Haaretz's editor-in-chief says that what looks like a preparation for war, acts like a preparation for war, and quacks like a preparation for war, is a preparation for war.

By Aluf Benn Tags: Benjamin Netanyahu Iran Iran nuclear Israel US




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Since his return from Washington, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has mainly been preoccupied with one thing: Preparing public opinion for war against Iran.
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak at the IDF air base in Hatzerim.
Photo by: IDF Spokesperson Netanyahu is attempting to convince the Israeli public that the Iranian threat is a tangible and existential one, and that there is only one effective way to stop it and prevent a "second Holocaust": An Israeli military attack on Iran's nuclear infrastructure, which is buried deep underground.
In his speech before the Knesset on Wednesday, Netanyahu urged his colleagues to reject claims that Israel is too weak to go it alone in a war against a regional power such as Iran and therefore needs to rely on the United States, which has much greater military capabilities, to do the job and remove the threat.
According to polls published last week, this is the position of most of the Israeli public, which supports a U.S. strike on Iran, but is wary of sending the IDF to the task without the backing of the friendly superpower.
Netanyahu presented three examples in which his predecessors broke the American directive and made crucial decisions regarding the future of Israel: the declaration of independence in 1948, starting the Six Day War in 1967 and the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981.
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The lesson was clear: Just as David Ben-Gurion, Levi Eshkol and Menachem Begin said "no" to the White House, Netanyahu also needs not be alarmed by President Obama's opposition to an attack on Iran. Netanyahu believes that, as in the previous incidents, the U.S. may grumble at first, but will then quickly adopt the Israeli position and provide Israel with support and backing in the international community.
If Netanyahu had submitted his speech as a term paper to his father the history professor, he would have received a very poor grade. In 1948, the U.S. State Department, headed by George Marshall, opposed the declaration of independence and supported a United Nations trusteeship for Palestine. But President Truman had other considerations.
Like Obama today, Truman was also a democratic president contending for his reelection, who needed the support of the Jewish voters and donors. Under those circumstances, Truman rejected Marshall's advice, and listened to his political adviser Clark Clifford, who pressured him to recognize the Zionist state. And indeed, Truman sent a telegram with an official recognition of Israel just 11 minutes after Ben-Gurion finished reading the Scroll of Independence. The U.S. opposition to the recognition of Israel was halted at the desk of the president, who repelled the explanations by the Secretary of State and the "Arabists" in his office.
In 1967, the official U.S. position called on Israel to hold back and refrain from going to war, but a different message was passing through the secret channels: go "bomb Nasser," reported Levi Eshkol's envoys to Washington, Meir Amit and Avraham Harman. This message tipped the scales in favor of going to war. In 1981, Begin did not bother asking the Americans their opinion before attacking Iraq, but lulled them to sleep and launched a surprise attack.
In these past incidents, Israel acted against the U.S. position formally, but made sure that the Americans will accept the results of the action and support it in retrospect. And indeed, the U.S. recognized Israel in 1948, allowed it to control the territories annexed in 1967, and made do with weak condemnations of the attack on the Iraq nuclear reactor in 1981.
That being the case, then Netanyahu is hinting that in his Washington visit, he received Obama's tacit approval for an Israeli attack against Iran – under the guise of opposition. Obama will speak out against it but act for it, just as the past U.S. administrations speak against the settlements in the territories but allow their expansion. And in this manner Netanyahu summarized the visit: "I presented before my hosts the examples that I just noted before you, and I believe that the first objective that I presented – to fortify the recognition of Israel's right to defend itself – I think that objective has been achieved."
This morning, the editor-in-chief of the Israel Hayom newspaper, Amos Regev, published on his front page an enthusiastic op-ed in support of a war against Iran. Regev writes what Netanyahu cannot say in his speeches: that we cannot rely on Obama – who wasn't even a mechanic in the armored corps - but only on ourselves. "Difficult, daring, but possible," Regev promised. We need not be alarmed by the Iranian response: the arrow would take down the Shahab missiles, and Hezbollah and Hamas would hesitate about entering a war. The damage would be reminiscent of the Iraqi scuds in the 1991 Gulf War - unpleasant, but definitely not too bad. The analysts are weak, but the soldiers and the residents of the Home Front have motivation. So onward, to battle!
To use Netanyahu's "duck allegory", what looks like a preparation for war, acts like a preparation for war, and quacks like a preparation for war, is a preparation for war, and not just a "bluff" or a diversion tactic. Until his trip to Washington, Netanyahu and his supporters in the media refrained from such explicit wording and made do with hints. But since he's been back, Netanyahu has issued an emergency call-up for himself and the Israeli public.
 
skip8

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Hfcomms said:
Once again Tyler is playing footloose and fancy free with his headlines.

This: ''Israeli political sources believe that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a majority Cabinet support Israeli military action against Iran without American approval'

Does not equal this: ' Israel Security Cabinet Votes 8 To 6 To Attack Iran'

It says first of all that political sources believe.... A belief by unnamed political sources does not equal war and more importantly the Israel cabinet saying that it doesn't need American permission for military action doesn't mean that they are going to start a war. It doesn't mean that anymore than when we say we don't need the UN's permission to take action means that were launching a strike. If the Israeli cabinet really voted to go to war with Iran then I think it would be more noteworthy.
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Respectfully disagree Hf...

Evaluation: Most of the cabinet for Iran attack
[Google translation from Hebrew to English of http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/346/750.html]

Eight ministers tend to support the position of Netanyahu and [Ehud] Barak for attack Iran, against six opponents. Cabinet members told the Knesset, Netanyahu's speech yesterday: "It sounds like a speech preparation for attack." A senior official: "The prime minister did not wait for U.S. elections in November"


I believe mzkitty/Tyler has correctly characterized this as a vote in support for military action against Iran...ducks are being 'lined-up'...:eek:
 
SIRR1

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HFcomms do you think it's possible this Tyler fellow has money in crude oil futures?

Possibly he is using headlines with articles like the one mzkitty posted knowing eventually his articles would be seen by major insurance companies that insure supertankers along with crude oil speculators looking at the next day’s market pushing up prices then making money for Tyler and whoever else is involved?


On a side note regular unleaded had been at $4.04 all week long here in Southwestern Illinois, then last evening on our way home from STL picking up a Siamese kitten we noticed the long lines at gas stations and the wife spotted the drop in price on regular unleaded fuel that fell over a dime to $3.93 per gallon.

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Leigh19717

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sad to say, but when I read this I was getting a pedicure. I sat there in that chair and thought, this will be my last fun time for a long time. My daughter and I go every year on this day...my birthday. This couldn't be a more sad one with these headlines and the EO one. Her little life will be so much different than mine.
 
twincougars

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-03-17-12-27-38

Iran parliament speaker says Israel won't attack

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI
Associated Press


TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's parliament speaker on Saturday compared Israel to a barking dog that won't dare attack the Islamic republic over its controversial nuclear program.

"They make a lot of fuss about it but don't dare to attack Iran," Ali Larijani said of Israel. His comments were posted on the parliament's website. "They are like dogs that keep barking but are not for attacks."

"Israel won't make the mistake of attacking Iran because it's not prepared to play with its own destiny," said Larijani.

Larijani is Iran's former top nuclear negotiator and intensely loyal to the country's cleric-led regime. His barbed comments are sure to ratchet up tension over Iran's nuclear program.

Israel and the U.S. have threatened that all options remain open, including military action, if Iran continues with uranium enrichment, a program that can be used to produce nuclear fuel or fissile material for an atomic bomb.

Israeli officials have increased their verbal threats against Iran in recent months, saying a window of opportunity is closing to militarily halt or delay Iran's nuclear program because Tehran is moving more of its nuclear installations underground.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said earlier this month that a strike on Iran "is not a matter of days or weeks, but it's also not a matter of years."

Israel considers Iran an existential threat because of its nuclear and missile programs and repeated references by Iranian leaders to Israel's destruction.

President Barack Obama warned Iran this week that the window for dealing with its nuclear program through diplomatic channels is "shrinking."

Recent polls in Israel have suggested that a majority of Israelis oppose an Israeli strike on Iran if carried out without U.S. cooperation.

Iran has scattered its nuclear facilities across the vast country and moved key portions underground to protect them from possible attacks.

Tehran has already warned that it would respond to an attack against it by barraging Israel with missiles and taking control of the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf, a key passageway where a sixth of the world oil passes through.

A new version of Iran's Shahab-3 missile has a range of 2,000 kilometers (1,250 miles) and is armed with a 1-ton conventional warhead. That would put Israel, Turkey, the Arabian Peninsula, Afghanistan and Pakistan within striking distance.

Iran has warned that oil prices will dramatically increase should it be attacked and believes that its threat of choking off the Hormuz strait will be one of the factors deterring Israel and the U.S. from taking military action.
 
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mzkitty - There are quite a few viewing this. I don't comment most of the time, but definitely read posts such as this. Many thanks for posting it!
 
Warthog

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Let the show begin.:popcorn3: If the Middle East is wiped out, then I guess Obama will have to open all U.S. drilling.:lol:
 
Hfcomms

Hfcomms

EN66iq
skip8 said:
I believe mzkitty/Tyler has correctly characterized this as a vote in support for military action against Iran...ducks are being 'lined-up'...:eek:
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Has nothing to do with mzkitty. She was just posting the headline that Tyler posted on his blog. Yes, the dominoes are being lined up for war and we can all see it coming. The 'reason' for war will be of course the idea that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon but that is the surface reason. The real reason goes quite a bit deeper. If Iran is stupid they will play right into it. I don't think they are that dumb but we shall see. Regardless, as I said earlier the Israeli cabinet indicating that they don't need U.S. permission for a military strike is no different than we saying that we don't need to go to the U.N. for permission for military action as we did with Iraq. It's not a vote for war as much as a statement of intent and Iran should take it seriously,
 
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As a point of clarification: there is no one Tyler at ZeroHedge. There is a collective of writers who post under that name. Many of them are financial insiders so wish to remain anonymous. This is one of the reasons that the writing styles of the various "Tyler Durdan' posts varies. Another note is that the site www.zerohedge.com is explicitly a site which takes on the "Fight Club" theme which is about fighting, pure and simple, particularly fighting against the status quo, and established interests. Many of the comments are simply face or gut punchs pointed in the direction of the MSM and financial propogandists.

It also is one of the top alternative financial websites on the net...simply because most of what they write is truth.
 
Countrymouse

Countrymouse

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ittybit said:
As a point of clarification: there is no one Tyler at ZeroHedge. There is a collective of writers who post under that name. Many of them are financial insiders so wish to remain anonymous. This is one of the reasons that the writing styles of the various "Tyler Durdan' posts varies. Another note is that the site www.zerohedge.com is explicitly a site which takes on the "Fight Club" theme which is about fighting, pure and simple, particularly fighting against the status quo, and established interests. Many of the comments are simply face or gut punchs pointed in the direction of the MSM and financial propogandists.

It also is one of the top alternative financial websites on the net...simply because most of what they write is truth.
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Thanks for that, ittybit.

I've found them to be quite reliable, in the past.
 
almost ready

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Much as I hate expensive gas and everything else that follows, this goes far beyond that. We're talking peoples' lives here, and the potential destruction of much of their infrastructure....

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. Let's hope they find a way through the icebergs without going there. Lots of nice people I know have relatives in Israel :-(((

We've seen in the past couple years there are many ways to fight besides all-out bombing.

Fighting smarter, not harder.
 
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colonel holman said:
few reply with posts because it has all been said. we now await the inevitable. hope we get to discuss the outcome
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Excellent, subtle assessment of events, potential events and our reactions to them.

The hope of being able to discuss the outcome after the fact is probably a universal sentiment. With a couple of recognized mad men on the loose, the odds are not as favorable as one might first imagine.
 
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I must have missed that memo.....

Scotto, you may have lost that one. It IS linked in with the other 20,000 warnings over the last 10 years since 911. One does tend to lose track of all those warnings.......................................
 
almost ready

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It's official and done -- Iran cut off from SWIFT -- essentially most global trade

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/03/201231719399435831.html

Iran has been largely cut off from global commerce after the company that handles most international financial transactions said it was severing ties with 30 Iranian banks.

The action by the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT) aims to enforce EU sanctions discouraging Tehran from developing nuclear weapons.

SWIFT is crucial to the oil sector and other trades and global financial transactions are impossible to conduct without using it.

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Video at the link which I didn't watch. Iran does about 2 million transactions a year on SWIFT to the tune of about 3 billion Euros. Now we're getting to the huge blow category.

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