Jim Demint says GOP should heed Ron Paul. The GOP gets it...finally.

[peetar]

Let me first state that Jim Demint is not a RINO. He is a very smart man. Anyone who can see DR. Pauls vision can't be that dumb.

For those of you who refuse to accept anyone but RP, take note. RPs influence is almost enough to bring the GOP in line. These things take time. It can't be done in a single election cycle. Hell, It can't be done in a day or a decade but we are getting closer by the year. God bless him for that.

Ron Paul is seriously influencing conservative leaders throughout the GOP. Is he influencing the progressive/liberal/democrat scumbags? No, they hate him more than any of the other candidates. They don't attack him because he doesn't have the numbers or the funding machine to win nationally. If he did, they would be going after him just as hard as Gingrich or Romney. They don't because he can't. Here is what Demint has to say...

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/288395/gop-should-heed-ron-paul-michael-tanner

Having said that allow me to post a couple of links that you might be interested in if you are on the fence...If you REALLY believe that the GOP and the Demon-crats are one-and-the-same. In a lot of ways you might be right. I salute you for your cynicism. I am that way as well, but let's look at the state of the state speeches by the communist scumsucker Jerry Brown (D-Kalifornia) verses the state of the state speech by Chris Christie (R-New Jersey), shall we?

There IS A HUGE difference in what these two men believe, One is a radical communist and the other believes in the efficacy of America and his state. The differences couldn't be more clear. I am posting this because it is in this contrast that we find ourselves. It isn't perfect but RP and a lot of other libertarians are focusing pressure on the GOP. In this election we can choose to limit the damage and vote for someone who's agenda is to destroy the United States by giving missile technology to Russia or some other candidate whom you may disagree with philosophically or spiritually on some issue, as I do.

One of them will stem the tide and one of them will accelerate the destruction of the country ten-fold or possibly overnight. This is the only place left in the world that is free and it isn't too late.

We all know where this ends. Personally I am leaning towards voting for just about anyone who isn't Barry O. Im not sure I can do it but it IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. God help us all.

Of course there will be the rabid comments who state that none of this matters and we are totally screwed anyhow (that I am a RINO etc). I am not speaking to you anyway so kindly F-Off. We are in the same boat and I probably agree with all of you on all of your main points. I am a Libertarian.

This thread is for civil, well-reasoned discourse about the difference between the parties. Spare me the commentary about there being NO DIFFERENCE because it simply is not true. We are not kindergartners and there certainly are major differences as the legislative bodies, governorships and voters run the gamut of left, right and middle. Having read what I have written here, please respect my wishes as to the tone of the thread. If you don't, feel free to speak out anyway. I will probably just ignore negative comments.

 

[Richard]

The GOP do not believe in non intervention in the ME, prove me wrong, so they will never support RP, no matter what.............
American foreign policy has everything to do with bombing the ME but no troops on the ground, Dems or Repubs

when I say the ME it doesn't matter what country

 

[Publius]

Its quite simple really!

Vote Ron Paul for President and you get a Constitutional form of government and you keep your LIBERTY.


Vote for any of the other candidates and all you will get is a Un-Constitutional dictatorship and enslavement.

 

[Norma]

Its quite simple really!

Vote Ron Paul for President and you get a Constitutional form of government and you keep your LIBERTY.


Vote for any of the other candidates and all you will get is a Un-Constitutional dictatorship and enslavement.

YOU ARE RIGHT!

Norma

 

[Richard]

Its quite simple really!

Vote Ron Paul for President and you get a Constitutional form of government and you keep your LIBERTY.


Vote for any of the other candidates and all you will get is a Un-Constitutional dictatorship and enslavement.

Does this mean no WW in the ME?

 

[peetar]

Judging from the time stamps on the comments i can see that nobody even bothered to watch the videos. I actually expected these types of comments and i ask again...please actually watch the videos and dont just skim the thread and make knee-jerk comments. This is what seems to happen time and time again here. I am trying to make a valid point about the political situation as we currently know it. Or we can keep mentally masturbating all year and being hyper cynical about how there is no way out and no choice other than Ron Paul or revolution. The funny thing is, i don't see anyone actually doing anything about it.

 

[Publius]

I can't do vid's as I'm on the dial up system, but the country is in the hole worst than it should be and it will take 50 years before its close to paid off. Unless we can charge some bankers with a crime and take it back from them, I don't see recovery happening less than 50 years.

 

[Hacker]

Judging from the time stamps on the comments i can see that nobody even bothered to watch the videos. I actually expected these types of comments and i ask again...please actually watch the videos and dont just skim the thread and make knee-jerk comments. This is what seems to happen time and time again here. I am trying to make a valid point about the political situation as we currently know it. Or we can keep mentally masturbating all year and being hyper cynical about how there is no way out and no choice other than Ron Paul or revolution. The funny thing is, i don't see anyone actually doing anything about it.

In my opinion, you've worked really hard to frame the debate according to the discussion that you want - rather than being open to all of the different views that this topic invites.

I appreciate your purpose in doing this - it increases the odds that you will get what you want (whatever that is) - and we should always ask for what we want.

However, this is a free-wheeling discussion board. To restrict people's opinions simply because you don't like the opinions that are offered, I think, is antithetical to the spirit of this forum.

Personally, I will do my best to help you achieve your objective. In short, I will not play.

BTW - I did not watch your videos, since I am sufficiently informed that I know what both of these men stand for. I am certain that many other posters are likewise well informed.

 

[Kritter]

Chris Christie is just as impressive as hell. His speech was inspiring, especially when he talks about "NJ is able to handle hearing the truth, and while the rest of the country is mired in bi-partisan bickering, we have come together to solve our problems as adults." And they really did. Cooperation was key in that state and while he never minced words about what was needed, it was only by a fair give and take from both sides that they managed to accomplish what they did. Great job there. Proud of my old home state.

Christ Christie is unique though. Having lived my entire life in NJ, I can tell you honestly, neither the GOP or the Dems did a very good job for us up until his election. It is not the party making the difference here.

It is the man.

A man of integrity who tells it like it is AND is willing to comprise when needed to make progress possible makes a GOOD politician, regardless of affiliation.

 

[peetar]

In my opinion, you've worked really hard to frame the debate according to the discussion that you want - rather than being open to all of the different views that this topic invites.

I appreciate your purpose in doing this - it increases the odds that you will get what you want (whatever that is) - and we should always ask for what we want.

However, this is a free-wheeling discussion board. To restrict people's opinions simply because you don't like the opinions that are offered, I think, is antithetical to the spirit of this forum.

Personally, I will do my best to help you achieve your objective. In short, I will not play.

BTW - I did not watch your videos, since I am sufficiently informed that I know what both of these men stand for. I am certain that many other posters are likewise well informed.

I restricted nothing. I merely commented on people not actually reading the thread before they comment on it. What is so wrong with that? Jaysus. Ifyou wont play then dont bother commenting your snark.

 

[peetar]

Chris Christie is just as impressive as hell. His speech was inspiring, especially when he talks about "NJ is able to handle hearing the truth, and while the rest of the country is mired in bi-partisan bickering, we have come together to solve our problems as adults." And they really did. Cooperation was key in that state and while he never minced words about what was needed, it was only by a fair give and take from both sides that they managed to accomplish what they did. Great job there. Proud of my old home state.

Christ Christie is unique though. Having lived my entire life in NJ, I can tell you honestly, neither the GOP or the Dems did a very good job for us up until his election. It is not the party making the difference here.

It is the man.

A man of integrity who tells it like it is AND is willing to comprise when needed to make progress possible makes a GOOD politician, regardless of affiliation.

Yeah. My whole point was to show a contrast between the two parties and that it isnt true that they are the same. I realize that this isnt going to be thhe popular view here but i am not going to shut up about this because i feel it is important. I dont agree with a lot of stuff christie says but i can see the stark difference between communism and americanism. So tired of the hyper polarizing conspiracy nuts that tend to comment without saying anything productive. It gets very old. Of course i am used to being called every name ithe book here so no worries.

 

[Satanta]

Well, while I am planning to vote RP this statement:

For those of you who refuse to accept anyone but RP, take note. RPs influence is almost enough to bring the GOP in line. These things take time. It can't be done in a single election cycle. Hell, It can't be done in a day or a decade but we are getting closer by the year.

Hasn't he been doing this for 30 years?

How long is long enough to get results?

And what happens if he passes on?

SOSDD?

 

[peetar]

Well, while I am planning to vote RP this statement:



Hasn't he been doing this for 30 years?

How long is long enough to get results?

And what happens if he passes on?

SOSDD?

Actually, i think he has really made a HUGE difference igetting young folks to pick up the torch. He is a fine libertarian. We libertarians need to be patient and let DR Paul's legacy come to fruition. He is, obviously a good man and has been HIGHLY influential to the cause of liberty. This isnt a black and white thing. Its grey...very grey.Edit: i should also say that i have never experienced a political awakening in my lifetime like the one DR Paul has fostered among the young and old alike. He doesnt need to win the election. He has already won.

 

[energy_wave]

I didn't hear anything to suggest Governor Jerry Brown was a communist. Sounds like he is undoing the mistakes of Arnie, who was woefully under qualified to run the 3rd largest economy in the world. Governor Jerry Brown reduced to 1/4th the states deficit, if I understood him correctly. Yea, reducing debt must be a communist thing, lol.

 

[peetar]

I didn't hear anything to suggest Governor Jerry Brown was a communist. Sounds like he is undoing the mistakes of Arnie, who was woefully under qualified to run the 3rd largest economy in the world. Governor Jerry Brown reduced to 1/4th the states deficit, if I understood him correctly. Yea, reducing debt must be a communist thing, lol.

Are you saying you believe him?

 

[Dennis Olson]

Spare me the commentary about there being NO DIFFERENCE because it simply is not true. We are not kindergartners and there certainly are major differences as the legislative bodies, governorships and voters run the gamut of left, right and middle

 

[night driver]

Chris Christie is just as impressive as hell. His speech was inspiring, especially when he talks about "NJ is able to handle hearing the truth, and while the rest of the country is mired in bi-partisan bickering, we have come together to solve our problems as adults." And they really did. Cooperation was key in that state and while he never minced words about what was needed, it was only by a fair give and take from both sides that they managed to accomplish what they did. Great job there. Proud of my old home state.

Christ Christie is unique though. Having lived my entire life in NJ, I can tell you honestly, neither the GOP or the Dems did a very good job for us up until his election. It is not the party making the difference here.

It is the man.

A man of integrity who tells it like it is AND is willing to comprise when needed to make progress possible makes a GOOD politician, regardless of affiliation.

"Give and take" and "cooperation".

I'd be interested in hearing the Paul supporters show where in his history RP has successfully cooperated and worked in a "give and take" atmosphere.

If he HAS I could be convinced that he has the constitutional capability to accomplish something in DC. As it is, I;m unsure he has the psychological constitutional capability required.

 

[peetar]

Well if the republicans and democrats are exactly the same then i guess doctor Paul is a sheep too as he has been a Republican for most of his career. Of course that is nonsense, Dennis, but i think you get my point. in fact, that IS my point. I believe his candidacy is reshaping the Republican party, finally. He is a frontrunner for the first time.