SCI LOST CITY FOUND IN CENTRAL AMERICAN JUNGLE 3-4-2015

Doomer Doug

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I should add the real significance of this find is the "group" discovered is not Mayan. The lost city was built by a second group that wasn't the Maya. I will also note this particular city "may" have influenced Spanish tales of "El Dorado" and "the city of gold." It also possibly is where we get all the movies, books, comics related to "monkeys and apes" and lost cities.
Again, this may be the city that, at least in Central America, is responsible for a whole slew of legends, myths, and tales we know of today. For one thing, the second Mummy movie, the one with Brendan Fraser, had the ending where they show up at a "lost city" full of "monkey things" that are trying to kill them. Well, given the mythology of this particular city somebody obviously read some of the so called "Mayan Lost Cities." It is also "thought" there "may be" a "lost city" deep in the Amazon basin. So, go get your Indiana Jones pants and hop on the flight! <G>
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Probably a few more lost cities south of the border...
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Lost City of Z

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For other uses see Lost City of Z (disambiguation)
The Lost City of Z is the name given by Col. Percy Harrison Fawcett, a British surveyor, to a city that he thought existed in the jungle of the Mato Grosso region of Brazil. This mysterious city is referenced in a document known as Manuscript 512, housed at the National Library of Rio de Janeiro by Portuguese slave-hunter (bandeirante) João da Silva Guimarães (pt) who wrote that he'd visited the city in 1753. The city is described in great detail without providing a specific location. Fawcett allegedly heard about this city in the early 1900s and went to Rio de Janeiro to learn more, and came across the earlier report. He was about to go in search of the city when World War I intervened. In 1925, Fawcett, his son Jack, and Raleigh Rimell disappeared in the Mato Grosso while searching for Z.

Although the search for the lost city was made in the Mato Grosso, Manuscript 512 was written after explorations made in the sertão of the province of Bahia.



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1 Lost City found?
2 See also
3 Sources
4 Footnotes
5 Further reading
6 External links


Lost City found?[edit]

David Grann's New Yorker article "The Lost City of Z" (2005) was expanded into a book The Lost City of Z (2009). A movie based on the book is reported to commence filming in early 2015. It was reported that an archaeologist, Michael Heckenberger, might have found the city at the site known as Kuhikugu.[1] He had discovered clusters of settlements (20 settlements in all) with each cluster containing up to 5,000 people and said "All these settlements were laid out with a complicated plan, with a sense of engineering and mathematics that rivalled anything that was happening in much of Europe at the time."[2] Using Google Earth, three scientists may have found the lost city in the upper Amazonian basin, near the Brazilian-Bolivian border. Geoglyphs have been identified in a report as remnants of roads, bridges and other man-made structures over a 155 mile area.[3]
 

Knoxville's Joker

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Given the biowarfare enacted against the indignant populations killing off entire population centers, I would say that there are 100s of cities we will never find and my more that we will over the course of time.
 

SIRR1

Deceased
Wow was that rain forest thick, one would need to jump into a tub of Deep Woods Off with Deet to keep the creepy crawlies from creeping and crawling on you, yikes!

Very cool find TY for posting.

SIRR1
 

Voortrekker

Veteran Member
I believe that an unintentional pestilence or pandemic from European explorers and traders was the cause of the abandonment of cities in the Amazon basin. Once in the rain forest (jungle) they had to survive as best city folk could and in one generation lost all semblances of civilization, such as literacy, art, sciences and religion.

The cities along the Amazon had developed "terra preta," a humus like soil substance which is self perpetuating and was two meters thick (7 feet). That is how they fed a million people in one city.
 

Voortrekker

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I believe that an unintentional pestilence or pandemic from European explorers and traders was the cause of the abandonment of cities in the Amazon basin. Once in the rain forest (jungle) they had to survive as best city folk could and in one generation lost all semblances of civilization, such as literacy, art, sciences and religion.

The cities along the Amazon had developed "terra preta," a humus like soil substance which is self perpetuating and was two meters thick (7 feet). That is how they fed a million people in one city.
 
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China Connection

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Stories of “Casa Blanca” and a Monkey God

The ruins were first identified in May 2012, during an aerial survey of a remote valley in La Mosquitia, a vast region of swamps, rivers, and mountains containing some of the last scientifically unexplored places on earth.

For a hundred years, explorers and prospectors told tales of the white ramparts of a lost city glimpsed above the jungle foliage. Indigenous stories speak of a “white house” or a “place of cacao” where Indians took refuge from Spanish conquistadores—a mystical, Eden-like paradise from which no one ever returned.

Since the 1920s, several expeditions had searched for the White City, or Ciudad Blanca. The eccentric explorer Theodore Morde mounted the most famous of these in 1940, under the aegis of the Museum of the American Indian (now part of the Smithsonian Institution).

http://news-beta.nationalgeographic...st-city-monkey-god-maya-ancient-archaeology/?

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Ancient 'lost city' home to a vanished civilisation found deep in jungles of Honduras
Expedition of archaeologists accompanied by ex-SAS survival experts makes stunning discovery of fabled "White City" where locals may have once worshipped a monkey god


By Philip Sherwell, New York

7:36PM GMT 03 Mar 2015

The jungle-choked remains of a "lost city", abandoned by a mysterious civilisation several centuries ago and long fabled for reports of its gold and "monkey children", have been uncovered in the depths of the rainforests of Honduras.

A team of American and Honduran archaeologists, aided by the bushcraft and survival skills of former British SAS soldiers, has just emerged from one of the most remote locations on Earth with news of their stunning discovery.

The expedition was seeking the site of the legendary "White City", also known as the "City of the Monkey God", a goal for Western explorers since the days of the Spanish conquistadores in the 16th century.

The city, believed to be one of many lost in the Mosquitia jungle, was home to an unknown people that thrived a thousand years ago but then vanished without trace – until now.

Unlike the Maya, so little is known of this pre-Columbian culture that it does not even have a name.

The discovery was revealed by the National Geographic, which sent a writer and photographer to accompany the expedition to the riverside site in a crater-shaped valley, encircled by imposing mountains.

The archaeologists surveyed and mapped extensive plazas, earthworks, mounds, and an earthen pyramid, the magazine reported.

They also discovered a "remarkable cache of stone sculptures" that had lain untouched for centuries and documented their findings, but left them unexcavated.


An artifact lays partly exposed amongst the ruins (Dave Yoder/National Geographic)

"It shows that even now, well into the 21st century, there is so much to discover about our world," said Christopher Fisher, the lead archaeologist.

"The untouched nature of the site is unique and if preserved and properly studied can tell us much about these past people and provide critical data for modern conservation," he told the Telegraph.

The site is located deep in the Mosquitia, a vast and barely inhabited region of swamps, rivers, and mountains. To navigate the choking foliage, the team was guided by Steve Sullivan and Andrew Wood, the former SAS soldiers who are experts in bushcraft survival skills.

Accompanied by Honduran troops, they set up base in a small town and were then ferried by military helicopter into a landing zone cut from the jungle.

The terrain's inaccessibility has made it a major drug transit route for cartels trafficking cocaine from South America to the US.

The expedition was following up on the work of an aerial survey in 2012 that used ground-breaking radar technology to map the jungle floor through the thick canopy, and identified what seemed to be a large architectural site buried underground.

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The team found the tops of 52 artefacts jutting out of the ground, with many more evidently lying beneath the earth, including possible burial sites. The items include stone ceremonial seats and finely carved vessels decorated with snakes and vultures.

Mr Fisher said that the most striking discovery was the head of what appeared to be "a were-jaguar", possibly depicting a shaman in a transformed, spirit state. The artefacts are believed to date from 1000 to 1400AD.


Theodore Morde enters notes in his field book while seated in his jungle headquarters

Western treasure-seekers and explorers had for centuries ventured into the jungle in pursuit of reports of the white ruins of a lost city poking out of the jungle. Some local Indian folklore spoke of a mystical Eden-like paradise, while others described a city of gold.

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Theodore Morde, an American adventurer, may have found the site during a 1940 expedition, but died without revealing the location. He described a city where a giant monkey deity was once worshipped and local tribes described myths of half-human, half-simian children.


In 1940, the Milwaukee Journal published this artist's concept of the jungle city discovered by Theodore Morde

The new project was funded and organised by Steve Elkins and Bill Benenson, two American film-makers.

Mr Fisher and his colleagues have kept the location of the site a secret to protect it from looting. But they fear that it faces a greater threat from rapacious ranchers who are cutting down the rainforest as close as 12 miles away for cattle for beef production.

"To lose this global ecological and cultural patrimony over a fast food burger is a prospect that I am finding it very hard to grapple with," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...sation-found-deep-in-jungles-of-Honduras.html
 

dstraito

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That would make an interesting story. Some time in the distant future, archeologists discover a lost city. Unbeknownst to them it was a city built by the Chinese Government and was never populated. There are no records on this city and the mystery is, there are no artifacts but the archeologists don't know that is because no one ever lived there, they think there was some mass evacuation and a conspiracy to remove all evidence.

Of course if they find out they were just empty cities it would make a pretty boring story unless they figure out why they were built in the first place.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
That would make an interesting story. Some time in the distant future, archeologists discover a lost city. Unbeknownst to them it was a city built by the Chinese Government and was never populated. There are no records on this city and the mystery is, there are no artifacts but the archeologists don't know that is because no one ever lived there, they think there was some mass evacuation and a conspiracy to remove all evidence.

Of course if they find out they were just empty cities it would make a pretty boring story unless they figure out why they were built in the first place.

It would probably end up being part of a story about how the negative income tax system saved humanity or something....
 

China Connection

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A “were-jaguar” effigy, likely representing a combination of a human and spirit animal, is part of a still-buried ceremonial seat, or metate, one of many artifacts discovered in a cache in ruins deep in the Honduran jungle.
 

China Connection

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Discovery? American explorer Theodore Morde (left) wrote in 1939 that he had discovered the fabled city described by conquistador Hernando Cortes centuries before. Speaking to locals, he learned the city had been a shrine to the monkey God akin to Hindu's Hanuman who is pictured (right) hiding Rama and Sita, two more Hindu deities, in his heart to protect them. The Honduran monkey God is more menacing, he said

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Doomer Doug

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Hey, thanks for all the additional material. Disease brought by Europeans, both from Northern Europe and Spain etc did cause a genocide among the native populations AFTER 1492 in South America, and after 1620 in the US and Canada.

The people who built and lived in this particular city were not the Maya and left several hundred years before any Spanish got to South America. This is some of the most unpleasant geography to live in, eg the mosquito? I also think/know there are many "lost cities" under the ocean off the various coasts. One was found off of Okinawa not too many years ago.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Fairly recent photos from space (like within the last 20 years) have stunned archeologists by showing there may be many "lost" cities hidden it the jungle and that there seems to have been a very high level of agriculture given the number of irrigation canals and other lines that can be seen from that far above the earth but not even show up in a regular plane survey.

I've only been the very edge of the Rain Forest Area once (see previous posts on fishing for pirranas) but just from what little I saw it would be very easy for the area to swallow up dozens of cities in just a short time if the people left them. There were probably lots of groups beside the official Maya building them, although the Maya themselves say the left their cities voluntarily to follow a more simple way of life, my husband has pointed out this sounds like there might just be a wee bit of making something they were forced to do for some reason looked like a choice for the next generations. We do know because we can now read Mayan script that there was great wars fought between city states, so think of Athens and Sparta (and the other Greek States) and you get an idea how this was only add in jungle and complicated agriculture. Pretty easy to end up just pulling up and going away if the bottom falls out of the food supply during a war or drought cycle.
 

Sleeping Cobra

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In addition to looting, another threat to the newly discovered ruins is deforestation for cattle ranching, seen here on a hillside on the way to the site. At its present pace, deforestation could reach the valley within a few years.


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