Tristan
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Any bets on when cruise lines shut down?
WAG of one to two weeks.
Any bets on when cruise lines shut down?
IRRC there was one that was "cured" by an experimental Ebola drug a few days ago, I want to say Thailand.I believe the case in Seattle was also reported to "have improved drastically within hours" after being given a cocktail of Tamiflu (IIRC) and an antiretroviral drug. Still nowhere near proof, but encouraging, if true.
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In a "Perfect" world, it would be today. I'd wager the cruise lines are sharpening their pencils at this very moment.Any bets on when cruise lines shut down?
What gubmint we talking about?For a month or more I have watched this thread bitch and moan that the government is not telling the truth.
So what could the gov do that would satisfy your yearning for the truth?
I expect that may be true. Yet we never seem to have enough of Tamiflu, so it won't do the masses any good. The best you can do is get sick early and get good care. If you are late to the party, then you may not make it home after....I believe the case in Seattle was also reported to "have improved drastically within hours" after being given a cocktail of Tamiflu (IIRC) and an antiretroviral drug. Still nowhere near proof, but encouraging, if true.
Summerthyme
To everyone, I do not know how to post replies with quotes, so I am not able to respond. Can someone tell me where to I can go for instructions on this? Kind of late in the day for learning this, I know.
You don't need to use both +Quote and Reply. If you're responding to one post, just hit reply. The +Quote is for multiple quotes on multiple posts.Dennis,
In the text box that you are reading there is a "+QUOTE" button and a "REPLY" button.
right click the Quote button first and the Reply button second. A new text box comes up with the text in quote mode and you are ready to comment....
Now, it will not include any quotes in the original text....
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Quarantining all those people on that ship would be quite a sizable task!This thread about the cruise ship is interesting.
So one traveler on a previous trip resulted in 10 people sick.
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Officials began screening passengers of the "Diamond Princess" after learning that a Hong Kong traveler with coronavirus had previously been on board - NHK
INDEEDQuarantining all those people on that ship would be quite a sizable task!
Info like this seems to ramp up the pucker factor a bit!!
Think about it.... outside of China we are often seeing 1 to 5 or 10 infection rate..... that does not bode well for China, that is for sure....Quarantining all those people on that ship would be quite a sizable task!
Info like this seems to ramp up the pucker factor a bit!!
I believe the case in Seattle was also reported to "have improved drastically within hours" after being given a cocktail of Tamiflu (IIRC) and an antiretroviral drug. Still nowhere near proof, but encouraging, if true.
Summerthyme
This thread about the cruise ship is interesting.
So one traveler on a previous trip resulted in 10 people sick.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1224840625373229056
UPDATE: 10 people on cruise ship near Tokyo test positive for coronavirus - Kyodo
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The wuhan novel coronavirus. Found a larger story.Okay, THE Coronavirus, or A coronavirus?
When they analyze the spread, it appears to come back to patient #1 who contracted the disease in Nov 2019 and was unconnected with the wet seafood market. I believe it was not until around patient #3 when the market became involved. (The market was not the origin, but may have facilitated the spread.) This points to one infected carrier - whether by close proximity to the spill over infected animal or unintentional/intentional release from the lab.The Chinese mainlanders have a reputation for some less than sanitary practices, including copious amounts of spitting in public. That said, there have now been reports of spreading Coronavirus around the northern hemisphere. Fortunately, in other areas the spread of the virus doesn't, at least not yet, seem to have reached the exponential levels seen in China. I have a few completely unqualified theories regarding this.
A.) There may be a racial and/or gender component involved, where the virus attacks Asian males more aggressively. In the absence of genealogical studies, I assume time will tell.
B.) If the speculation of an inadvertent bioweapons release from the Wuhan facility turns out to be true, it's possible that a more severe release than is currently believed to be the case may have occurred. This may have overwhelmed local residents and caused the more aggressive dispersion of the disease. In other words - and I'm waaaay out of my depth here - let's imagine that some weird catastrophic accident happened. Perhaps some technician broke a glass vial of the virus and simultaneously the filtration of the negative pressure containment failed. Something like that could have caused a massive aerosol release into the surrounding area and infected many more people than person-to-person transmission alone would have. This isn't that far fetched as massive industrial and laboratory mishaps have happened previously. If that's the case, we'll never hear the real truth out of Communist China.
C.) This last idea is, IMHO, the least likely, but it's worth mentioning. Suppose the Chinese had nothing to do with the outbreak and it was the result of Russian, or even western bio-warfare experiments and somehow these things got out of control. Again, not likely IMHO, but in the absence of a definitive answer all possibilities should be considered.
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Best explanation yet. Raven, you are a romantic and a natural storyteller.Personally, my belief is that some awkward Chinese science nerd had romantic affections from afar over some very cute little lady whose hand was betrothed to another suitor and in a failed attempt to eliminate the competition he secretly removed a virus sample to infect his competition. However, his romantic scheme failed and the virus infected the object of his affection and on her deathbed he sent her on the journey to the other side with a farewell kiss thus infecting himself. After which he stopped on the way home at the fish market for comfort food to ease his pain selecting a dish of bat soup.
I do believe Clorox has been trading well assume 3 M is a tremendous buyHmm, perhaps I should invest in some companies that produce disinfectant! :-)
you might like the story where the shy science nerd in the biohazard lab fell in love with that Greta chick with the Nobel Prize and wanted to impress her by reducing world population by 50%Best explanation yet. Raven, you are a romantic and a natural storyteller.
So they get another 10 -14 days cruise. I am not sure it will be worth it. It reminds me of those disaster movies from the early 80s. Like EARTHQUAKE or the Towering Inferno.The wuhan novel coronavirus. Found a larger story.
Princess Cruises quarantines 3,700 for two weeks on ship after 10 passengers test positive for new coronavirus
Princess Cruises quarantines 3,700 for two weeks on ship after 10 passengers test positive for new coronavirus
PUBLISHED TUE, FEB 4 20206:54 PM EST
William Feuer@WILLFOIA
KEY POINTS
- Princess Cruises said it has placed 3,700 passengers and crew under mandatory quarantine after ten passengers aboard a cruise ship in Yokohama tested positive for the new coronavirus.
- The company said Monday that a previous guest, who didn’t have any symptoms while aboard the ship, tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday.
- The ship was being held in Japan for 24 hours while Japanese health authorities assessed the 3,700 passengers and crew on board.
A small boat is pictured next to the Diamond Princess cruise ship with over 3,000 people as it sits anchored in quarantine off the port of Yokohama on February 4, 2020, a day after it arrived with passengers feeling ill.
Behrouz Mehri | AFP | Getty Images
Princess Cruises said it has placed 3,700 passengers and crew under mandatory quarantine for two weeks after ten passengers aboard a cruise ship in Yokohama tested positive for the new coronavirus.
The company said Monday that a previous guest, who didn’t have any symptoms while aboard the ship, tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday — six days after leaving the ship. The ship was being held in Japan for 24 hours while Japanese health authorities assessed the 3,700 passengers and crew on board.
“These 10 persons, who have been notified, will be taken ashore by Japanese Coast Guard watercraft and transported to local hospitals for care by shoreside Japanese medical professionals,” the company said.
The ship will be quarantined for 14 days, the company said.
“The first phase of health screening of all guests and crew onboard Diamond Princess, by the Japanese Ministry of Health, has been completed,” the company said in a statement. “We were notified that amongst the samples that have completed testing,10 people have tested positive for coronavirus.”
I *think* (reading way too much and in a hurry... meatworld is crazy lately as well) besides his apparent physical recovery, his tests also changed to negative. But I could be wrong about that...They have to be kept under observation for at least 72 hours. If I remember correctly, one of the hallmarks of this virus ( and SARS ) was feeling as if you had recovered for 3 days and then the return of much worse symptoms.
So, is it the drugs that are working or the natural life of the virus? Does it go "dormant" for 72 hours ( giving the appearance that the drugs are working ) while it is gearing up for the death blow?
The wuhan novel coronavirus. Found a larger story.
Princess Cruises quarantines 3,700 for two weeks on ship after 10 passengers test positive for new coronavirus
Princess Cruises quarantines 3,700 for two weeks on ship after 10 passengers test positive for new coronavirus
PUBLISHED TUE, FEB 4 20206:54 PM EST
William Feuer@WILLFOIA
KEY POINTS
- Princess Cruises said it has placed 3,700 passengers and crew under mandatory quarantine after ten passengers aboard a cruise ship in Yokohama tested positive for the new coronavirus.
- The company said Monday that a previous guest, who didn’t have any symptoms while aboard the ship, tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday.
- The ship was being held in Japan for 24 hours while Japanese health authorities assessed the 3,700 passengers and crew on board.
A small boat is pictured next to the Diamond Princess cruise ship with over 3,000 people as it sits anchored in quarantine off the port of Yokohama on February 4, 2020, a day after it arrived with passengers feeling ill.
Behrouz Mehri | AFP | Getty Images
Princess Cruises said it has placed 3,700 passengers and crew under mandatory quarantine for two weeks after ten passengers aboard a cruise ship in Yokohama tested positive for the new coronavirus.
The company said Monday that a previous guest, who didn’t have any symptoms while aboard the ship, tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday — six days after leaving the ship. The ship was being held in Japan for 24 hours while Japanese health authorities assessed the 3,700 passengers and crew on board.
“These 10 persons, who have been notified, will be taken ashore by Japanese Coast Guard watercraft and transported to local hospitals for care by shoreside Japanese medical professionals,” the company said.
The ship will be quarantined for 14 days, the company said.
“The first phase of health screening of all guests and crew onboard Diamond Princess, by the Japanese Ministry of Health, has been completed,” the company said in a statement. “We were notified that amongst the samples that have completed testing,10 people have tested positive for coronavirus.”
There already is a tightening of information on social media. Twitter accounts are being systematically shut down, like Zerohedge and some personal accounts, as well as the leakers from China. Youtube pushes "official mainstream" sources on virus news and you really have to work hard, now, to find anything else that is not in another language. Information is tight as a drum, which only leads to distrust when the information actually released is a carefully controlled narrative.TB2K is one of if not the best source of overall information on the web. Thanks to the many for the diligent work.
If (IF) this really takes off here, in an effort to control the narrative, the government may shut down sites it can not censor and control and will have the emergency powers to do just that. I am saving some posts to the hard drive so I will have info on preparedness and treatment to refer to, but there is far too much to save but a little. I wish that I could download whole threads but Dennis explained why that is not feasible. I am not overly concerned right now but do see a possible although unlikely path to information quarantine. I suspect that if this is to occur we will have strong indications first but the actual event will not be pre-announced.
There goes their pharmaceutical hub! Drugs will soon be in short supply!(fair use applies)Alibaba HQ In Hanzhou And Other Cities In Zhejiang Into Lockdown An Hour Ago As Coronavirus Is Rapidly Spreading - Thailand Medical News
The coronavirus is fast spreading all over China with nothing that resembles a country whose government has got things under control. Certain International organizations are also making fake statements that things are under control in China when in reality just ask any doctor or health...www.thailandmedical.news
Alibaba HQ In Hanzhou And Other Cities In Zhejiang Into Lockdown An Hour Ago As Coronavirus Is Rapidly Spreading
Source: Thailand Medical News Feb 05, 2020
The coronavirus is fast spreading all over China with nothing that resembles a country whose government has got things under control. Certain International organizations are also making fake statements that things are under control in China when in reality just ask any doctor or health professional or any person on the street in any province.
Literally all 33,427 hospitals in China are overflowing with patients and medical supplies are running out everywhere, patients are being turned away and there is literally not much test kits for the coronavirus.
New epicenters have sprung up in cities like Zhejiang, Chongqing, Henan and Hunan. Zheqiang and Chongqing are now the worst hit with many cities in those provinces looking exactly like Wuhan now. Thousands are sick with the coronavirus and are in critical condition.
As of midnight on Tuesday, the government hurriedly closed and placed under lockdown even the Zhejiang cities of Taizhou, Ningbo, Wenzhou and also Hanzhou, home to tech giant Alibaba.
More than 24 million people will be affected just in Zhejiang alone, adding to tens of millions of people already affected by shutdowns in other cities.
Under new rules imposed in Zhejiang, only allow one person per household to go outside every two days to buy necessities, city officials said.
All transportation is banned and all offices, factories, schools, shops are all to be closed.
In addition, residential communities will only be allowed to use one entrance and residents must present ID each time they come or go, Zhejiang’s government said on its official WeChat account.
Landlords were also forbidden from renting property to people from "severely affected areas such as Hubei" if they have travelled to their hometowns recently, it added.
In the Hangzhou districts, additional measures included mandatory mask-wearing and compulsory ID and temperature checks.
Zhejiang, the eastern province in which these cities sit has confirmed 829 cases, the highest number outside central Hubei province, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak and where more than 50 million people are under lockdown.
However many doctors are saying that the numbers infected with the coronavirus in Zhejiang could be thousands as all the hospitals are overflowing with patients just like Wuhan and other cities in the initial stages of the epidemic. The problem is that there are not enough test kits and assay reagents. Doctors have also reported hundreds of deaths in Zhejiang over the last 4 days but again these figures are not added to the daily tolls announced by the Health officials as the dead were never tested and it is not known if they had the coronavirus as China’s stringent death and disease reporting protocol dictates that no death or infected numbers can be added on unless the infected parties or the dead had been previously tested.!
Chongqing will most likely be the next province to be placed under lockdown while there are some speculations that the government is planning a total nationwide shutdown with the exception of critical services and also certain factories and farms sometime by the 13th should things not get better.
It seems that the situation in China is seemingly getting worse day by day despite whatever claims can be made.
For accurate updates about the China coronavirus epidemic or the Thailand Coronavirus scenario, keep on checking at: Thailand Coronavirus News - Thailand Medical News
Literally all 33,427 hospitals in China are overflowing with patients and medical supplies are running out everywhere, patients are being turned away and there is literally not much test kits for the coronavirus.
Wow, did you see that row of gurney after gurney with body bags? I also noted the car that crashed through the barrier. Last night there was a video of a family escaping by climbing over one of those high road barriers. Looks like people are beginning to get restless over being locked up in a death city.View attachment 181647
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We never have enough Tamiflu because they give it out like candy!! Grands were sick this winter, didn't test positive for the flu but nurse practitioner gave a prescription for Tamiflu "just in case". DIL was smart enough not to fill it. (OT: Same np who said grandson couldn't be on the autism spectrum "because he's verbal". After the school diagnosed him she said, "Well, that's not a 'real' diagnosis.")I expect that may be true. Yet we never seem to have enough of Tamiflu, so it won't do the masses any good. The best you can do is get sick early and get good care. If you are late to the party, then you may not make it home after....
At some point during the last week, I came across a report that stated Tamiflu was useless for this virus. I'd have to wade through far too much browser history to find the citation, so take this comment for what it's worth. ;-)I expect that may be true. Yet we never seem to have enough of Tamiflu, so it won't do the masses any good. The best you can do is get sick early and get good care. If you are late to the party, then you may not make it home after....
Just sink it and make it an artificial reefRE: the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan. Sure, it's an awesome quarantine vehicle, but can you imagine the nightmare that sterilizing that thing is going to be at some point in the future? And, every other hotel/casino/apartment/bus/theater/etc that has had an infected person in it? Yeek.
Wow, did you see that row of gurney after gurney with body bags? I also noted the car that crashed through the barrier. Last night there was a video of a family escaping by climbing over one of those high road barriers. Looks like people are beginning to get restless over being locked up in a death city.
I have exactly 30 of the 60 cans. another 18 have shipped. The rest have not shipped as far as I can tell. These are in addition to what I already have so not make or break for my family. The ones that havent shipped are from amazon services and the only augasun farms item.I pulled the trigger on another 60 cans of Mountain House meals from Amazon. This weekend I'm buying dry beans and assorted/related items from them as well. If anyone is interested I will report on actual shipping times. The amount and variety of freeze dried foods on Amazon was much lower than normal, Wal Mart online was low as well. Amazon's stock of bulk beans were short too, several 25lb variety's were out of stock.