ALERT My Son was Palm Scanned! Beware of Pinellas County Schools in Florida

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I am BEYOND p!$$ed off!!!

My son ( 2nd grade ) from time to time, enjoys the items on the school lunch menu. The school ( Pinellas County School Districts in Florida ) has a palm reader that they use for "ease and convenience in accessing students accounts and to prevent identity theft". Well, we don't partake in the school lunch program, so he doesn't have an "account". We send him with cash money.

He came home the other day and said that even though he paid in cash, they still scanned his palm with the reader. He was going on about how "cool" it was ( well we had a talk about how "uncool" it was, in actuality ). I was less than thrilled that they took, what I thought, was his palm print for no reason since he paid for lunch with cash.

NOW I READ THAT IT WASN'T A PALM PRINT!!!














Invasion of the Vein Scanners for Cashless Society
Biometric Money Coming Soon!





In an article I wrote in late October 2011 (“NJ Transit Ushers In Cashless Society With Google Wallet App For Smartphone Payment), I detailed a new policy being implemented at New Jersey Transit stations and Newark Liberty International Airport Rail Station, as well as in Penn Station and the New York Port Authority Bus Terminal in New York. At the time, I deemed the program, “the most recent Orwellian Big Brother policy under the guise of greater traveler convenience; a cover story for privacy intrusion that is becoming more and more popular when attempting to introduce the hi-tech police state security grid.”

Essentially, the new procedure being introduced is a wireless payment program that allows passengers to wave their smartphones in front of a special sensor in order to purchase a ticket for travel. The sensor is located on the ticket vending machine and both the train and bus tickets are accessed via Google Wallet – an app that provides for wireless payment capabilities. In the article mentioned above, I argued that the implementation of such technology is the foreshadowing of the coming cashless society which itself will play a major role in the totalitarian police state control grid being established right before our eyes.

Unfortunately, however, the police state and the cashless society have moved beyond the use of smartphones and other pieces of hard technology by which to establish themselves as the new normal in the minds and the culture of an entire generation.

Taking the cashless control grid one step further, an article published on August 8, 2011 in Technology Review, entitled “Beyond Cell Phone Wallets, Biometrics Promise Truly Wallet-Free Future,” explains that major corporations are not even waiting for the “digital wallet” to catch on. They are actually moving forward with a system that will allow for an individual to swipe their palm, not their phone, in front of a digital recognition device in order to gain access to various buildings, pay for merchandise, or otherwise identify oneself.

Although the technology known as Near Field Communication (NFC), allows users to completely bypass credit cards and cash with their phones, it has been slower to catch on in the United States than it has in some areas of Asia -- Japan in particular. Nevertheless, the convenience-obsessed American public will no doubt flock to it in large numbers as soon as it becomes more widely marketed and available.

The new system, known as PalmSecure, is not Near Field Communication, however. PalmSecure requires no tangible hardware on the part of the user, so phones are not necessary. All it requires is that the user wave his/her hands in front of an electronic reader and the small device reads the unique pattern of veins by way of near-infrared light.

The new biometrics-based method of payment and permitted access is one that from miles away could easily be seen coming. In fact, many, including myself, have been warning of the dangers of this type of technology for some time. Yet the calls of convenience combined with the advertisement of better security will likely make the new system even more palatable to the general public. Where the NFC methods have not caught on as quickly as some might have wished, biometric approaches are likely to be more successful.
Indeed, this new type of technology, even this specific product, is already being introduced all over the United States.

For instance, New York University’s Langone Medical Center has already implemented the vein scanners in some of its medical facilities. Manufactured by Fujitsu, the scanners are being placed in the hospital under the guise of greater convenience (the marketing gift that keeps on giving) and faster access to medical records. Health histories, insurance forms, and other documents are all handled electronically and at a much faster pace with the help of the new vein scanners.
As Jonathan Allen reports for Reuters:

The initial set-up for a new patient takes about a minute, the hospital said, while subsequent scans only take about a second.

"We can then just ask one question: ‘Has your insurance changed?’ Birnbaum [Bernard Birnbaum, the vice dean and chief of hospital operations for the center] said. If ‘no,’ you don’t have to fill out a single form.”

Currently, the program is optional and Birnbaum claims that only around 1% of the patients have objected. Unfortunately, in 2011, this is completely believable.
It should be noted, however, that almost every element of any control grid begins by being optional when it is first introduced to the target population. But, as more and more individuals acquiesce to the system, the more inconvenient and, subsequently, the harder it will become for the rest of us to opt out. Eventually, the ability to opt out will be removed altogether.

Although NYU’s program has received more attention than most of the other vein scanner stations, it is important to remember that it is not the only one of its kind. It is merely one of the first to be implemented at a hospital in the Northeast. Several other hospitals have already introduced the system and more will likely follow.

Schools, too, have begun to implement the Fujitsu systems. For instance, the Pinellas County School District in Florida recently announced that it was introducing the system in order “to identify students and thereby reduce waste and the threat of impersonation.”

With the new scanners, the students are able to have their meals deducted from their account, upon scanning their palms, as they march single file in the feeding lines during lunch time. Of course, this type of technology is not new to Pinellas County. The students have been finger scanning in order to gain access to their lunch for years.

Obviously, the introduction of the Fijitsu vein scanners in the NYU hospitals and the Pinellas County School District are simply more examples of how gradualism is used in order to condition the public into accepting these technologies as a fact of life. Particularly if the younger generation can be trained to accept palm scans even for the most basic and common goods and services, they and the generation that comes after them will never think to question the greatly enhanced digital control grid when it is rolled out into the general social sphere.

Not only will an entire generation come to accept the scanners as normal, it is almost guaranteed that they will eventually come to demand them. Indeed, it is not likely that we will have to wait for a younger generation to be fully indoctrinated for something of this nature to occur.

As Christopher Mims glowingly writes for Technology Review, If the slow rollout of NFC holds any lessons, it’s that breaking the monopoly of the existing payment system is difficult, especially when merchants bear the cost. But a biometric identification system could be a unique identifier that might justify its additional expense for some vendors. If you think waiving your phone to pay for something is convenient enough to convince you to go to one coffee shop versus another, imagine how thrilled people will be to simply raise their hand?

If this is indeed the case, then those of us who value privacy and freedom better start raising our voices.
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/invasion-of-vein-scanners.html
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
With the new scanners, the students are able to have their meals deducted from their account, upon scanning their palms, as they march single file in the feeding lines during lunch time.

Well that speaks volumes about the herd.
 

NancyJo

Membership Revoked
what were they scaning for??? I send cold luches with my kids, and they still have a card that they can swipe to get hot lunch. It was issued the 1st day of school and most kids at this school get free or reduced lunches. I took the cards away and said you will never use it.

Most kids in our district is getting reduced lunch or FREE lunch, they said the cards help the luch ladies order from sysco foods every 2 weeks so there is enough garbage to feed th
 

mzkitty

I give up.
It's insidious and it's everywhere now. There will be no escape unless the entire system is done away with.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
What was wrong with the "finger scans" ? Someone can cut off a finger and use it to get a free lunch?

as they march single file in the feeding lines during lunch time
This soooo reminds me of a concentration camp, feeding??? FEEDING? Like cattle or livestock? Exactly like possessions. I believe that was the intent.

Have you informed your fellow parents and gathered together to write letters to your local and state authorities yet? Have you done a search on the palm scanner company and discovered who owns stock in it and who in Florida is taking money from them to get this implanted in the system? Do it. Then write letters to the editor, go to PTA and educate even if you must hand out single page information on abuses and health risks of the device, but especially out those who are forcing it's use.
 

minkykat

Komplainy Kat
What was wrong with the "finger scans" ? Someone can cut off a finger and use it to get a free lunch?

This soooo reminds me of a concentration camp, feeding??? FEEDING? Like cattle or livestock? Exactly like possessions. I believe that was the intent.

Have you informed your fellow parents and gathered together to write letters to your local and state authorities yet? H

Remember; your children belong to the state, comrade! Comrade Obombya welcomes your cooperation. If you should chose to not participate, there is a nice get away camp somewhere in the badlands just waiting for you!
 

NancyJo

Membership Revoked
Flipper it is a feeding off the tax payer, and just crap foods, I live in WI my dad and uncle own a dairy herd and now they are saying that the fed will only let schools getting fed dollars are permitted to give skim milk??? Food in this nation is just warmed up frozen monster foods.
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
They have started using palm scans at Duke hospital down here in Durhan NC, they SAY it makes it easier to access your pateint accounts and the like, my wife asked if she should get into the program....ahhh NO!
 

chickenrancher

Veteran Member
My 17 yo dd just said the other day "I can't wait till they start using bar codes on us so we can shop much quicker." I about bite her head off! How the heck she got into her head that this is okay is beyond me. She sort of rolled her eyes when I said that's the mark of the beast. Even dh, who is not a Christian, knows better, and jumped in. My 26 y.o son, who is back-slidden at present, knows better and tells others. Not that I think it will be a bar code, but something implanted Obviously I missed something in her training.
 

Lonestar

Contributing Member
So when do the forehead scans start?

That's it, right there. I was just thinking the same thing, wondering how and under what pretense, they would make the move to the forehead. When do we stop? At what point do we say , that's enough, it's too close to the scary end to suit me. It's all leading up to the mark, how far do we go, on a personal level, before we say count me out?
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
That's it, right there. I was just thinking the same thing, wondering how and under what pretense, they would make the move to the forehead. When do we stop? At what point do we say , that's enough, it's too close to the scary end to suit me. It's all leading up to the mark, how far do we go, on a personal level, before we say count me out?

That's what creeps me out even more... The palm scanner's pick up your "vein pattern"... Lot's of veins in the forehead...

:sht:
 

Lonestar

Contributing Member
That's what creeps me out even more... The palm scanner's pick up your "vein pattern"... Lot's of veins in the forehead...

:sht:

My thoughts, exactly. Though I had never heard of vein scans before today I immediatly thought of all the veins in the forehead. Maybe they won't need to tattoo a mark on us, it's already provided, naturally. Heck, I got nervous, many years ago when they first came out with debit cards. Didn't use them for years, then discovered how handy thay were and never looked back. Pray God I never begin to look at something like this to be as handy as a debit card and say Why not? I think I'll keep my Bible handy and not grow slack in my reading. I think we need to be constantly reminded of what is to come and the dangers of following the world.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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That's it, right there. I was just thinking the same thing, wondering how and under what pretense, they would make the move to the forehead. When do we stop? At what point do we say , that's enough, it's too close to the scary end to suit me. It's all leading up to the mark, how far do we go, on a personal level, before we say count me out?

Who needs a pretext? I can see the first commercial...

Hoppy music intro showing a woman walking thru the store "Hands full? Sleeping baby in arms?[[Show cute baby alseep all nicey-nice [Awwwwwwww!] ]] Need that formula? [[Show formula and mommas hnds full with sleeping baby]] Just use the new 'ForeHead 3000"[[Smiling momma holding baby leans foreward into cool, space-age scanner mabob]] A glance is all it takes!" [[Hot momma with perfect hair, lipstick and sleeping goomba glances at the camera with a fetching smile to draw you in.]]
 

TeapotTempest

Turbulent Teakettle
I am BEYOND p!$$ed off!!!

My son ( 2nd grade ) from time to time, enjoys the items on the school lunch menu. The school ( Pinellas County School Districts in Florida ) has a palm reader that they use for "ease and convenience in accessing students accounts and to prevent identity theft". Well, we don't partake in the school lunch program, so he doesn't have an "account". We send him with cash money.

He came home the other day and said that even though he paid in cash, they still scanned his palm with the reader. He was going on about how "cool" it was ( well we had a talk about how "uncool" it was, in actuality ). I was less than thrilled that they took, what I thought, was his palm print for no reason since he paid for lunch with cash.

Do you have a parent account to log on to the school system to check your child's grades? I bet you do, or you can get one.

Log on there and check to see if they have their student information system interfaced with the cafeteria software.

If they do, you will be able to see exactly what your kid purchased for lunch.

I'm in the middle of implementing a lunch program sort of like this, except we're not using anything as fancy as biometrics (because of PRECISELY this sort of reaction). Parents can pay for lunch online or send cash in for the kid, and then they can see exactly what Johnny has been spending his money on.

I don't know the Pinellas County School District's system, but that would be my first guess.
 

Kronos

Veteran Member
On the long OWS thread it has come to light that protestors arrested in NY have been subjected to RETINAL SCANS. :siren:
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
So when do the forehead scans start?

I had to take GS#1 to doc the other day.

The nurse was taking his blood pressure and told him to "look up. Thanks, we didn't have your picture in the system." (facial recognition)

I was not a happy camper. She didn't ask or anything; just told him to "look up".

All because of Obomination Care. It was bad enough knowing that every single person who seeks/receives medical treatment or has insurance will be assigned a "unique identifier" number in conjunction with biometrics identifiers (I figured DNA blood samples); it is sooooo much worse knowing they're using facial recognition (forehead?) and palm (hand) readers/scanners.
 

Gonecrabbin

Senior Member
Here is a link to an article on the scanner the OP was talking about:http://oldnortheast.patch.com/articles/high-tech-palm-scans-at-pinellas-schools


A new palm reader for Pinellas County middle and high schoolers cannot predict the future. But this high-tech scanning system will make the lunch line move faster.

Pinellas County Schools are the first in the nation to use a palm scanning system, which is manufactured by Fujitsu.

The new palm-scanning program, piloted at Boca Ciega High School, cost the district $105,000. It replaces a finger scan system used in county middle and high schools since 2005.

The school system plans to roll out the optional program in the elementary schools in October. Currently the elementary schools identify children in the lunch lines by their pictures.

The palm scan system connects with the district's lunchroom software. Gone is the need for a lunch card or ID number to pay for meals. The scanner photographs and stores each person’s unique palm vein.

Known as the PalmSecure biometric sensor, the
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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I'm in Hillsborough but we Homeschool R. They do all kinds of stuff in the school system that parents have no idea about.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
So when do the forehead scans start?

Sooner than you realize actually if you do any amount of research into near field communications and augmented realities (a Wii for instance) you will see that it's coming and very quickly as in two years or less.

K-
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
actually there are three such commericals that have been airing since about 1991 on most channels, it's hit or miss as to when you will see them, that make no sense what so ever unless you know the premise for the commericals.

First one, it first airedc during the super bowl sunday of either 1990 or 1991. Dude walks into a convience store, is wearing a dark trench coat, looks sullen, walks around the store picks up stuff and puts it into his coat pockets. Heads for the doors and the security guard stops him, excuse me sir, guy looks even more sullen, but you forgot your reciept, the sullen looking guy then heads out the door after taking the reciept.

second commerical has been airing since about 1995 can be seen during daytime tv. Mom is in the grocery store, I think with an infant strapped to her, and another little kid about 3-4ish, pushes her cart up and UNDER the counter where the cashier is stationed and a scanner scans back and forth the entire contents of the cart, mom pulls the curious kid away from the scanner. Cashier hands mom a reciept, no cash, etc., EVER changes hands, and mom walks out of the store pushing cart and towing kid.

The last commerical has been airing for the past few years and it's a CC commerical of sorts but you've gotta watch it closely to realize that half the customers in the busy coffee shop aren't even swiping or showing their CC, and one dude shoes up with cash which the cashier basically doesn't even know how to handle. Slows down the whole assembly line process of the coffee shop.

K-
 

PresterJohn

Membership Revoked
USA: Land of the free,

NOT.

Any other country in this world will use the USA as an example of what FREE people can and will put up with.

God help us all. (although this world is in our hands)
 

TexasQF

Senior Member
Schools have not necessarily much to do with education... they are mainly institutions of control, where basic habits must be inculcated in the young. Education is quite different and has little place in school.
— Winston Churchill


Q: If you were Big Brother and wanted to create a surveillance society, where would you begin?

A: I would start by creating dossiers on kindergarten children so that the next generation could not comprehend a world without surveillance. I'd also scare the public with stories about terrorists, pedophiles and drug dealers. In fact, that's exactly what's going on right now.
— André Bacard, Physicist and author (The Computer Privacy Handbook), Playboy Interview, 1996

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This is one more reason we home school. And our dc are NEVER anywhere with out one of us.
 

Army Girl

Inactive
When they built the Wal Mart that is near our area about 12 years ago, someone who was working there (during the finishing of construction) told me that they fitted the checkouts with a system that had a blue outline of a handprint at every checkout. They said the next day they were all gone, and I remember this because the person who told me about it thought it was very woo wooo.
 

Lone Eagle Woman

Veteran Member
Ragnarok, I feel for you! This Beast System comes ever closer. How much already it is that IF you do not have the mark, you can't buy or sell. How many already are so indoctrinated into the Beast System that they will go along with anything the Beast Offers and Wants For Us! this is Hideous! Yuck!
 
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