FASCISM Outrage Erupts When Pennsylvania Authorities Toss 2 Farmers in Prison on 30-day Sentences

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Chickministrator
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Authorities claim there’s no need for sentencing hearing, bail option


A state legal action in Pennsylvania is sparking outrage, online and elsewhere, for the result it demanded: Two farmers arrested and jailed on 30-day sentences with no sentencing hearing and no option for bail.

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Authorities say that’s the process they use for contempt charges, for which Ethan Wentworth of Airville, York County, and Rusty Herr of Christiana, Lancaster County, have been serving time since last month.

Broadcast outlet WPMT in Harrisburg reported the government’s complaint concerns their company, NoBull Solutions, which offers to help dairy farmers with their reproductive management of cattle.

Here’s a video podcast, by Yanasa TV, explaining the conflict:



Their lawyer, Robert Barnes, charges, “This is the craziest thing I’ve every seen.”

The fight apparently stems from allegations the two were practicing veterinary medicine without a license for running ultrasound test on cattle, a procedure that is common for farmers to use for various reasons.

The result was an investigation by the state of Pennsylvania, where officials demanded that the two turn over their records.

They failed to do what state officials demanded, and the report notes that resulted in contempt orders against the men.

The state’s court officials told the broadcast outlet that there is no option for bail, and no “sentencing hearing” required for contempt charges. Authorities simply arrest the suspects and jail them, the report said.

Eventually, a judge signed arrest warrants for the two, as well as orders to jail them in their respective counties, warrants that just recently were executed.

A critic of the two say there was ample due process, but Barnes issued a statement:

This is an unlawful civil contempt order. There are certain procedures that must be followed in a civil contempt action and to our knowledge those were not followed here. Even if they had been followed, the maximum allowable punishment is 15 days in jail which must be conditional, with keys to your own jail cell – meaning there is a condition you can meet to immediately end your incarceration. None of that is true in this case.
The state claims this is a punishment for not complying with a subpoena to turn over documents, but an agency can’t just order anyone to turn over any document they please. For a subpoena to be valid, the jurisdictional validity of the subpoena must be established, and it has not been in this case. Both men had sought the advice of an attorney regarding the case and had been told that the Veterinary Medical Board had no jurisdiction over them, that the subpoena was therefore invalid, and that there was nothing Ethan and Rusty needed to do.
There is no evidence that Ethan or Rusty ever saw the order the state claims to have mailed to them last August which threatened them with arrest if they did not comply. Ethan and Rusty were unaware that this was a possibility. It was a complete shock to them and to their families when they were arrested.
He explained his clients were “denied the ability to see the case against them or NoBull Solutions because the state had the docket sealed and hidden – a highly unusual move.”

He said, “It gives the appearance that the intent was to secretly establish an excuse to arrest them and shut down NoBull Solutions without due process.”

He said he was pursuing an emergency motion to reverse the imprisonment order.

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OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Authorities claim there’s no need for sentencing hearing, bail option


A state legal action in Pennsylvania is sparking outrage, online and elsewhere, for the result it demanded: Two farmers arrested and jailed on 30-day sentences with no sentencing hearing and no option for bail.

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Authorities say that’s the process they use for contempt charges, for which Ethan Wentworth of Airville, York County, and Rusty Herr of Christiana, Lancaster County, have been serving time since last month.

Broadcast outlet WPMT in Harrisburg reported the government’s complaint concerns their company, NoBull Solutions, which offers to help dairy farmers with their reproductive management of cattle.

Here’s a video podcast, by Yanasa TV, explaining the conflict:



Their lawyer, Robert Barnes, charges, “This is the craziest thing I’ve every seen.”

The fight apparently stems from allegations the two were practicing veterinary medicine without a license for running ultrasound test on cattle, a procedure that is common for farmers to use for various reasons.

The result was an investigation by the state of Pennsylvania, where officials demanded that the two turn over their records.

They failed to do what state officials demanded, and the report notes that resulted in contempt orders against the men.

The state’s court officials told the broadcast outlet that there is no option for bail, and no “sentencing hearing” required for contempt charges. Authorities simply arrest the suspects and jail them, the report said.

Eventually, a judge signed arrest warrants for the two, as well as orders to jail them in their respective counties, warrants that just recently were executed.

A critic of the two say there was ample due process, but Barnes issued a statement:


He explained his clients were “denied the ability to see the case against them or NoBull Solutions because the state had the docket sealed and hidden – a highly unusual move.”

He said, “It gives the appearance that the intent was to secretly establish an excuse to arrest them and shut down NoBull Solutions without due process.”

He said he was pursuing an emergency motion to reverse the imprisonment order.

Copyright 2024 WND News Center
Each state has problems with its authority. Think of it as a bomb waiting to go off. Fuses are already laid, and someday, some moron will light a fuse. Perhaps Pennsylvania is closer to a lit fuse, eh?

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Luddite

Veteran Member
Challenging Authoritay has always been frowned upon by said Authoritay.

Why should the goobermint be involved in a non-invasive veterinary procedure?

Licensed& Credentialed people don't like their nice little rackets molested by fly-by-night jacklegs. I fully understand why the vets would feel this way but maybe they shouldn't have a locked up monopoly on such procedures.

No where did I see any "damaged" customer. No talk of impersonation of a veterinary doctor.

I want to hear justification for sealing the case.
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
In no way familiar with PA laws & specifically those pretaining to VetMed or AG/Livestock but based on the OP, as my dairy farmer uncle used to say, that milk ain't clean.

Sounds pretty sketchy to me and I'm thinking these guys have been pooched by the state.

Of course, if they were BLM or some such, I'm certain there'd be SJW Attys lining up to represent them.
 
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Elza

Veteran Member
There is no evidence that Ethan or Rusty ever saw the order the state claims to have mailed to them last August which threatened them with arrest if they did not comply.
Unless the state sent it certified and got a return receipt there is no way to prove they got the notices. Same way with jury duty summonses. You can throw them in the trash and the court has no way to prove you got it. Therefore no way to charge you.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
I just looked about buying ultrasound machines. Amazon sells several.
500 bucks up to 1500 bucks.

My earlier post used the term "non-invasive ".
That term might not apply here because some of the probes do "trans rectal" . For those unfamiliar pregnancy checks in cattle were done by transrectal palpation. An arm went up the rectum to feel for a calf in the uterus.

This shatters the thought of idyllic farm life for some people. Keeping a cow that's not bred for months only to find it not pregnant is very expensive especially when farms are always on a razor thin margin. Or more accurately they're fighting against going DEEPER into a hole. (No pun intended)

With the perfection of hormone testing of blood or milk samples I think their business model of ultrasound testing is soon obsolete.

My curiosity is leaning towards the customer list is worth a great deal to this court system. Pennsylvania is probably looking to hassle the guy that has 2 or 3 milk cows selling raw milk. Jmo
 
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West

Senior
Yes, the liberal godless socialists who by majority (not all granted) and are employed as bureaucrats hate and despise independent Christian individuals.

Lawfare is on their side, because they run the systems. And are in their minds far superior than us little private sector tax paying slaves.

All by design it seems.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Must have been an AI outfit, and these guys were checking to see when the cows were ovulating(?). Depends on how the practice act (law) is written in each state as to whether certain procedures are OK for technicians or laymen to perform without vet supervision. They must have caught the attention of somebody with their nose out of joint and got called on it.

Jail with no bail seems a little over the top though...guessing there's some "history" here that hasn't come to light, or wasn't addressed by the article.
 

West

Senior
If a farmer/rancher can't do their own animal husbandry, then regular people shouldn't do any doctoring either.

TPTB, need to outlaw all alternative medicines, herbs, etc... also ban band-aids or even mouthwash, toothpaste even soap.....

To stupid. But I bet there is thousands of bureaucrats that do consider banning alternatives medicines and alike for humans.

So this might just help to set precedence.
 

Border Collie Dad

Flat Earther
If a farmer/rancher can't do their own animal husbandry, then regular people shouldn't do any doctoring either.

TPTB, need to outlaw all alternative medicines, herbs, etc... also ban band-aids or even mouthwash, toothpaste even soap.....

To stupid. But I bet there is thousands of bureaucrats that do consider banning alternatives medicines and alike for humans.

So this might just help to set precedence.
A few years back, the Feds tried to pass a bill that would, essentially, ban natural supplements.
I expect them to try again soon.
 

Border Collie Dad

Flat Earther

At odds with the state, Amish raw milk farmer has a long day in court​

  • Updated: Mar. 02, 2024, 12:05 a.m.|
  • Published: Feb. 29, 2024, 7:31 p.m.
Amos Miller hearing

Supporters of Amish raw milk farmer Amos Miller gather outside Lancaster County Courthouse on Feb. 29, 2024.PENNLIVE.COM



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LANCASTER, Pa. — An Amish raw milk farmer may have a glimmer of hope to escape an injunction he says will put him out of business and hurt customers all over the country who depend on his products for medical reasons.

For a while on Thursday, a Lancaster County judge seemed inclined to extend the injunction, based on the fact Amos Miller has refused to obtain state permits required to sell raw milk and cheese.



But at the very end of the hours-long hearing, Judge Thomas Sponaugle seemed open to at least trying to find a path to letting Miller remain in business as he attempts to prove the state has no right to shut him down. The state did just that earlier this year, obtaining the preliminary temporary injunction after two out-of-state residents became sick from raw milk products the state says came from Miller’s farm.


“If he can’t get any product to anybody for another month, he’s bankrupt and it’s over anyway,” said his lawyer, Robert Barnes.


Still, Miller, whose farm is located near Bird-in-Hand, would seem to face a steep legal climb: Pennsylvania allows farmers who obtain permits and undergo state inspections to produce and sell raw milk and cheese made from raw milk.


But it doesn’t permit production and sales of the many other raw milk products that form the core of Miller’s business, including yogurt, eggnog and products from animals including goats and water buffalo.


At one point, Sponaugle asked, “If this is so important, why doesn’t Amos Miller just get a permit … Doesn’t he see in his heart that’s all he has to do?”


He further expressed confidence the state attorney’s office, which made the case against Miller, would expedite the process.


But as Barnes and the lawyer for the attorney general’s office quickly clarified, obtaining raw milk and raw cheese permits wouldn’t clear Miller to sell the other products, keeping him at legal odds with the state.


Barnes, meanwhile, insisted Miller has always been open to working with both state and federal authorities to come into compliance with food safety laws.


At that point, Sponaugle abruptly said he wanted a private conversation with the two parties and ended the public hearing, forcing spectators and the media to leave the courtroom. He gave no timeline but said he’ll quickly decide whether to continue the injunction.


Earlier in the day, dozens of Amish men and women crowded the sidewalk in front of the courthouse in downtown Lancaster. They were joined by many non-Amish supporters carrying signs with messages such as “Food Freedom.” Speakers railed against government “tyranny,” saying state agriculture department inspectors and state troopers who accompany them are “agents” of evil, and that the only valid law comes from God, not the state. One chanted “give me salmonella or give me death”; others handed out containers of raw milk and chunks of raw cheese.


Thursday’s hearing centered on extending the injunction the state attorney general’s office obtained earlier this year to prevent Miller from selling raw milk products unless he obtains the required permits.


Miller has been clashing with state and federal agencies since 2016, when the federal government said raw milk products from his farm caused the death of a Florida resident.


Most recently, state officials said two out-of-state children became sick with E. coli after consuming raw milk products believed to be from Miller’s farm.


That led to a Jan. 4 search of Miller’s farm by the state agriculture department, which said it found listeria, another food-borne pathogen, in storage tanks and raw milk products.


Miller has long contended he isn’t required to have permits or undergo inspections, for reasons including the fact he sells to members of a private club who understand he lacks permits, but have come to trust in the safety of his products and the health benefits.


His lawyers say the recent actions by the state have caused “severe economic harm” for his business and hurt customers who rely on health benefits from his products.


They further argue the case against Miller amounts to government overreach and violation of his constitutional rights.


The state says it has long tried to work with Miller to bring him into compliance with the law.


In 2023, Miller paid federal fines and costs of about $85,000 while signing a consent decree agreeing to abide by federal regulations.


On Thursday, the state highlighted evidence it says it collected on Jan. 4, including multiple samples of products that tested positive for listeria, which can cause blood infections and severely harm pregnant women and unborn babies. They presented photos they said show evidence of unsanitary conditions.


Barnes, meanwhile, called a series of Miller’s customers as witnesses. All were from out of state, and all described using raw milk products from Miller to successfully treat severe conditions, including one who said it transformed her severely autistic child.


He then called a series of experts who argued that raw milk has many health benefits that are destroyed by pasteurization, and that raw milk is as safe or safer than pasteurized milk.


Sponaugle, meanwhile, began the hearing by stressing “he will not legislate from the bench.”


“I’m not here to change the law or manipulate the facts to get an outcome that someone wants,” he said.


At one point, he suggested the logical pathway is for Miller to ask state lawmakers to change the laws regarding raw milk.


Miller, meanwhile, has become a hero among opponents of big government, with supporters donating about $250,000 as of this week. His case caught the attention of vaccine critic and presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who urged people to attend Thursday’s hearing, which took place inside a well-fortified courthouse.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
these two poor SOBs are being used as examples - started out that some competition with clout blew the whistle - when the two gave the GOV a Wet Willie in the left ear >>> the battle was on ....

AI in the livestock biz is a jumble across the country - looks like PA is trying to regulate it as per a VET license - add $1000s to a AI procedure that is a AMAZON buy and DIYer procedure .....
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Haha...I suspect the laws are pretty tough in PA just because they've had to deal with the Amish for so long. :lol:
The USDA has made it almost impossible to open a small abattoir/butcher shop. So in PA, of course Americans, in the fine tradition of being Americans have taken the business underground. The feds try to find these unlicensed entrepreneurs but locals know exactly who their customers are and who the feds are.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
these two poor SOBs are being used as examples - started out that some competition with clout blew the whistle - when the two gave the GOV a Wet Willie in the left ear >>> the battle was on ....

AI in the livestock biz is a jumble across the country - looks like PA is trying to regulate it as per a VET license - add $1000s to a AI procedure that is a AMAZON buy and DIYer procedure .....

Makes one wonder if those doing the finger pointing aren't in fact vegan/peta trash? If you eliminate the AI business, or legislate it to vets only, then the cattle industry takes a HUGE hit! Cattle production in the US is already diminishing, per Market to Market PBS, and it's not just a small percentage either.
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The USDA has made it almost impossible to open a small abattoir/butcher shop. So in PA, of course Americans, in the fine tradition of being Americans have taken the business underground. The feds try to find these unlicensed entrepreneurs but locals know exactly who their customers are and who the feds are.
And soon the moment a fed pops up folks will no see the person again and after a few disappearances the feds may end up backing off. Hogs are great at disposing of evidence...
 

workhorse

Veteran Member
They want everyone to be licensed to do anything that way they have total control over you and yours. Next they will go after the lady that cuts hair for friends and family on Thursday nights. Because she has no license and is just doing it for donations. Compared to the legal barber who charges 18 and gives the government their cut.
 

West

Senior
Everyone is missing the point here.

The Judge, The State flunkies and the arresting officers all went home safe at the end of the day and thats what counts.
And they get extra credit for arresting tax payers that can also afford, fines, lawyers, bondsmen, court fees, etc...

Why homeless and illegals often get to walk from doing even serious crimes. They may get fined etc...but have no money or assets for the bureaucrats, cronies and lawyers to feed off of.

Cops might even be rewarded with pay raises.
 

Henry Bowman

Veteran Member
And they get extra credit for arresting tax payers that can also afford, fines, lawyers, bondsmen, court fees, etc...

Why homeless and illegals often get to walk from doing even serious crimes. They may get fined etc...but have no money or assets for the bureaucrats, cronies and lawyers to feed off of.

Cops might even be rewarded with pay raises.
And lets not forget flags with blue stripes , commendations and promotions.

The Judge on the other hand will one day run for DA and it will be said that he/she is "Tough on crime"...morons will eat that up.

Yep...what we allow will continue.
 

BornFree

Came This Far
The lawyer "Barnes" talks about this case and the Amish Amos miller case in extensive detail with Viva Frei on Sunday nights. You can find those broadcasts achieved here(look for Sunday nights with Barnes):


He just talked about this case tonight although he talked more about it in more detail during the past few converstaions. The courts(Common wealth) involved did not even have the legal authority to even act on a case like this. The were acting outside of their legal jurisdiction. They also did not follow the law. And they refuse to let these guys go.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I think back to the deep deep freeze in Texas a while back. I thought it was HAARP, still do. They go after the culling on so many battle fronts, after making their agenda clear, no more meat, for thee of course.
And the fact that the people who controlled the grid in Texas lived in Michigan didn’t play into the energy shortage in Texas!?!?!?!?! Right, so let’s blame it on haarp.
 

zeker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
these two poor SOBs are being used as examples - started out that some competition with clout blew the whistle - when the two gave the GOV a Wet Willie in the left ear >>> the battle was on ....

AI in the livestock biz is a jumble across the country - looks like PA is trying to regulate it as per a VET license - add $1000s to a AI procedure that is a AMAZON buy and DIYer procedure .....
about 5 yrs ago, the gov forbade the feed stores from selling antibiotics and pennicillin, etc, to farmers.

anyone who needed/wanted any, would require a scrip from the vet.
 

Border Collie Dad

Flat Earther
about 5 yrs ago, the gov forbade the feed stores from selling antibiotics and pennicillin, etc, to farmers.

anyone who needed/wanted any, would require a scrip from the vet.
I can still get penicillin from Tractor Supply.
Not sure about antibiotics.
Probably not.
 
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