[POL] That's the Ticket: Bush to Pick Rudy Giuliani

potemkin

Inactive
Sorry, couldn't resist.

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That's the Ticket: Bush to Pick Rudy Giuliani
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Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, the hero of 9-11, is being secretly courted to become President George W. Bush's running mate in the November election, The ENQUIRER has learned.

Sources say Republican Party officials want Giuliani, who showed so much leadership and courage during the attack on the World Trade Center in 2001, to replace current VP Dick Cheney on the ticket.

They are convinced Rudy is the secret weapon that could defeat Democratic hopefuls John Kerry and John Edwards.

"It's Rudy's if he wants it," a close source told The ENQUIRER. "The GOP floated rumors about Rudy in June to see what the reaction would be -- and they found overwhelming support. In early July, top Republican officials approached Rudy secretly to determine if he wants to join President Bush's ticket.

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"Rudy can add a special energy to the ticket right now that Cheney lacks and others mentioned, such as Colin Powell, don't seem to have. That energy and special love, which the country saw in him during the 9-11 crisis, is something that is much needed for Bush if he wants to gain reelection."

Cheney's reputation as a stuffed shirt and his connections to the war-services company, Halliburton, have made him unpopular with many Americans in recent months. Sources say Cheney wants to stay on, but in the end, he'll do what's best for the ticket.

Giuliani, meanwhile, is busy in the private sector with his company Bio-ONE, but sources say the opportunity to help his country and help the President is very appealing. He has until August to make up his mind.

"And what better visual than to have Bush introduce Rudy as his No. 2 at the Republican Convention in August in New York City," said an insider.

Republican activist Bob Tennant agrees that Giuliani is the popular choice for the ticket in 2004. "He's the Republican no Democrat could say anything negative about. He saved New York City." -- PAOLA LEVA
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Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Several months ago, I would've argued strongly that Cheney is not leaving, unless he has health problems.

Now, with the Kerry - Edwards ticket, I suspect he will "develop" health problems before too long if pressured enough to leave by TPTB above him.

But it'll have to be a lot of pressure because I think he knows where a lot of the bodies are buried. They will have to make it very worthwhile for him to leave.

Interesting times.
 

bigwavedave

Deceased
Giuliani Divorce Settlement Reached

New York, July 10, 2002

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/07/10/national/main514784.shtml


(AP) Former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Donna Hanover reached an out-of-court divorce settlement Wednesday, avoiding a public conclusion to their bitter separation after two decades of marriage.

The settlement was accepted by the court the day the case was scheduled to go to trial. Supreme Court Justice Judith Gische had granted attorneys for the two an extension to finalize details of the settlement worked out in an all-night negotiating session.

"I hope the very, very best for Donna and her future. We have two children. I want everything to work out the very best for them," Giuliani said outside court.

Hanover lawyer Helene Brezinsky told Gische, "We have been able to settle this matter. The agreement has been signed."

Giuliani attorney Raoul Felder said, "Sometimes a birth takes a long time, but it gets done."

Brezinsky said the settlement called for Giuliani to pay Hanover "more than $6.8 million plus all of her litigation expenses and legal fees."

The marriage began falling apart during Giuliani's first term as mayor.

Giuliani, 58, had filed for divorce in October 2000, accusing Hanover, a television personality and sometime actress, of cruel and inhuman treatment. Hanover, in her own filing last month, blamed the ex-mayor's "open and notorious adultery" for the split.

Giuliani has acknowledged having a romance with Judith Nathan.

Hanover, 52, also accused Giuliani of an affair with a former staffer, Christyne Lategano-Nicholas. She and Giuliani have denied the allegation.

In June, the judge ordered Giuliani to pay Hanover child support of $8,000 a month, which, along with other expenses, would bring his monthly payments to her, at least temporarily, to more than $20,000. Giuliani and Hanover have two children, Andrew, 16, and Caroline, 12.

The judge increased the amounts Giuliani had to pay after he acknowledged that he will earn some $8 million this year in speaking fees alone. Hanover had asked for nearly $1 million a year.

Lawyers for both sides had worked hard for the past several days including an eight-hour session July 3 to cut a deal that would keep the city's former first couple's problems from becoming even more exposed in a public trial.

Giuliani left office Jan. 1; term limits barred him from running for a third term.
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The New Adultery Rules

By William Saletan
Posted Thursday, May 11, 2000, at 12:00 AM PT

http://slate.msn.com/id/82419/


The ethics of adultery used to be straightforward. "Thou shalt not commit adultery," said the Ten Commandments. Recently, however, public opinion has grown rather more complicated. While Gary Hart and Newt Gingrich were ruined by cheating, Bill Clinton and Rudy Giuliani have gotten away with it. By a margin of 77 percent to 12 percent, New Yorkers say Giuliani's newly disclosed "friendship" with Judith Nathan, a divorced socialite, "is a private matter and has no effect on how I view Giuliani as a Senate candidate." So is adultery now OK? Not quite. Thanks to the eternal human craving for scandal and gossip, the old strictures against adultery haven't disappeared. They have merely evolved into a subtler, more confused list of commandments.

1. Thou shalt not flaunt it. The old rule said you couldn't do it. The new rule says you can do it, but we don't want to know about it. Giuliani says his sex life is "private." His Senate opponent, Hillary Clinton, agrees. So does his old enemy, ex-Mayor Ed Koch.

1a. Thou shalt not hide it. Watergate taught Americans that the cover-up is worse than the crime. That's why Bill Clinton got in so much trouble over Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky. "The mayor will not lie about it, to his credit," applauds the New York Times' Joyce Purnick.

2. Thou shalt give thy lover privacy. Chivalry requires that while enduring the scrutiny all politicians face, the adulterer must "protect" his paramour. "You can pursue public officials all you want," Giuliani tells reporters. But as for Nathan, he argues, "People who are private citizens should really be left alone."

2a. Thou shalt give thy lover public affection. The paramour may deserve privacy, but the politician reaps praise for "holding hands" and being "affectionate" with her. "Everything about this—illness, love—humanizes the mayor," an analyst tells the Washington Post.

3. Thou shalt be ashamed. The old rule said everybody is tempted, but you shouldn't do it. The new rule says everybody does it, but you should repent afterward. Hence the post-Monica obsession with Bill Clinton's "contrition" and the laments from some quarters at Giuliani's frankness.

3a. Thou shalt not be ashamed. The old school said moral reality should determine perception. The new school says moral perception determines reality. You dignify your adultery by confirming it with dignity. "It is the way one behaves when confronted with his or her actions" that matters, says the New York Post's Andrea Peyser. "The mayor stood before the hungry press corps alone" and "made no attempt to conceal" his affair. "He's got guts."

4. Thou shalt not get accustomed to it. The old rule said a lapse was bad. The new rule says a pattern is bad, but a lapse is OK. Gennifer Flowers was OK. But Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, and Monica Lewinsky were not OK. Giuliani doesn't have to abstain from adultery. He just has to abstain more often than Bill Clinton does.

4a. Thou shalt accustom the voters to it. This school of thought says the more often you commit adultery, the less surprised your constituents will be each time. By the time Clinton got to Lewinsky, the voters were too jaded to throw him out. Likewise, Giuliani's advisers say voters are shrugging off his affair because over the years he "has made no secret of his estrangement from his wife."

5. Thou shalt not do it behind thy spouse's back. The old idea was that God decides whether adultery is OK. The new idea is that your spouse decides. "It probably helps Giuliani that this story lacks a true victim" since his wife knows about it and leads an openly "independent existence," writes the Washington Post's Richard Cohen.

5a. Thou shalt not do it in thy spouse's face. This is the show-and-tell rule. You're supposed to tell your spouse you'll fool around, but you're not supposed to show her or make her confront a knowing public. Everyone sort of knows Giuliani's marriage is a sham, a worried Giuliani adviser concedes to the New York Daily News, but the mayor's latest statements to the press cross the line of "in-your-face confirmation."

6. Thou shalt blame thy frigid spouse. When a marriage goes bad, somebody's going to get blamed. Make sure it's not you. A large camp has formed in New York blaming Giuliani's "icy" and "chilly" wife for driving him into another woman's arms. "What came first—the girlfriend or the marital estrangement?" asks Peyser.

6a. Thou shalt take responsibility. Giuliani's skeptics answer that the girlfriends came first, leading to the estrangement. His marriage "hit the rocks five years ago when he confronted reports that he was having an affair with his then press secretary … a claim denied by all sides," says the Times of London. An adulterer can't win the blame game, goes this theory. He's better off taking his lumps than looking like a lying coward.

7. Thou shalt endure thy spouse's adultery. The New Testament mentality says it's virtuous to suffer humiliation. This yardstick puts Hillary Clinton ahead of Giuliani. She reaps "the sympathy vote," according to the London Times, because the Lewinsky affair "transformed her from one of the villains in the many scandals to hit the Clinton White House to the role of wronged wife."

7a. Thou shalt not endure thy spouse's adultery. The Old Testament mentality says it's disgraceful to suffer humiliation. "The biggest issue amongst women with Hillary is, 'Why do you stay with him?' " observes a Democratic consultant. Voters figure that Giuliani's wife, like Hillary Clinton, must be trading silence for career advancement.

8. Thou shalt not divorce thy spouse. The old rule said you should remain faithful in practice. The new rule says you should remain faithful in theory. Marriage, like religion, is an inspirational illusion you owe your kids. And if you're a politician, it's an illusion you owe your country. This argument puts Bill Clinton ahead of Newt Gingrich and puts Giuliani ahead of both of them, since unlike Clinton, he's still living with his wife.

8a. Thou shalt marry thy lover. The old rule said you're supposed to stay married. The new rule says you're just supposed to be married. If you don't like your current spouse, find another. This argument puts Gingrich ahead of Bill Clinton, since Gingrich has become engaged to his girlfriend, while Clinton dumped his. And Giuliani gets credit for sharing Thanksgiving dinner and other family events with Nathan, her parents, and her daughter.

9. Thou shalt hold her in sickness, not in health. Giuliani confirmed his affair just after announcing he had prostate cancer. This arouses sympathy for two reasons. First, people figure that an unhappily married man facing mortality is entitled to a bit of happiness. Second, his girlfriend gets to look maternal by mothering him. Already, Nathan has accompanied Giuliani to the hospital for cancer tests. "I am quite concerned for his health, and I hope you will respect that," she tells reporters. "That's really my concern."

9a. Thou shalt hold her in health, not in sickness. This school of thought says you have to change wives before playing the illness sympathy card. "Getting caught with the girlfriend when you and your family are supposedly locked in fear about a life-threatening disease? Could God even spin that?" a Giuliani friend tells the Daily News.

10. Thou shalt not push thy morality on others. "In liberal circles … it's far worse to be a hypocrite than it is to be a sinner," writes the New York Post's John Podhoretz. Giuliani's adultery is OK because "throughout the Lewinsky ordeal, the mayor expressed the view that the president's private life was nobody's business." Purnick, on the other hand, says Giuliani flunks this test, since he "tried to punish a museum that exhibited art he considered immoral" and "wants the Ten Commandments posted in public schools."

10a. Thou shalt not push thy immorality on others. Conservative circles take a different view: Just as hypocrisy can be useful, candid indecency can be pernicious. According to a New York political consultant, these voters found it "unseemly" that Giuliani's wife had planned to perform in The Vagina Monologues, a sexually explicit play. But the play was fiction, and the wife has since backed out. Giuliani's dalliance is real. And at the moment, he's going full steam ahead.
 

Contrasaur

Inactive
The Republicans need to think about 2008. Bush needs a VP who can carry the banner after Bush. That is why Cheney needs to go.

Something tells me that Rudy is being used as a trojan horse. I am not so sure that Rudy's 9-11 glow is still there. The Reps first must get everyone to accept that Cheney needs to be replaced.

Since Cheney has the health problems then a resignaion and new VP could be announced anytime after the election without much disturbance.

On the other hand, a surprise announcement at the convention could be a great way to make another boring TV event into a public relations master stroke.
 

Green

Paranoid in Los Angeles
Rudy does have a certain appeal with the moderates that is so far lacking in W's admin.

While I am loathe to say anything nice about W, et al., Rudy would be a good choice.

Green

:usfl:
 

Contrasaur

Inactive
Green said:
Rudy does have a certain appeal with the moderates that is so far lacking in W's admin.

While I am loathe to say anything nice about W, et al., Rudy would be a good choice.

Green

:usfl:
He does have a fan club and name recognition but since I am a long way from NY, I don't know anything about him except that he looked good managing the 9-11 disaster.

The question is:
Can Rudy be a viable Presidential candidate in 2008?
 

Woolly

Veteran Member
Dropping Vice President Cheney in favor of Giuliani would end it for me.

Giuliani is a Lib in disguise. He favors gun control (translation: I do not trust the American people!). Well, I don't trust Giuliani.

Cheney, while not perfect, is from the West where they are not afraid of citizens being armed. He's had a distinguished career in government (Both in Congress and the Executive) and knows his way around. His greatest sin is that he knows how to get a handle on the bureacracy, and 'they' don't like it.

If Bush changes horses in the middle of this stream I will simply wave him good bye, and say good riddance. It will be the very last straw for that fellow.

A Very Bad Idea!,

Woolly
 
February 2002 - Now Read This... Why the h*** is the Queen Knighting him? What great job at 911 did he do for the monarchy and Britain???

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LONDON, England (CNN) -- Former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani has received an honorary knighthood from Queen Elizabeth II for his work following the September 11 terror attacks.

Giuliani received the award at Buckingham Palace in London in recognition of his work with the families of the estimated 2,800 people who died in New York.

"It means to me recognition for a group of people that went through the worst attack on their country ever and came through it stronger ... and I'm just honoured to be their representative," Giuliani said after the ceremony at Buckingham Palace.

Giuliani will also not be able to call himself "Sir Rudolph," however, as he is not a British citizen, but he can put the initials KBE (Knight of the British Empire) after his name.

He joked with reporters that the title wouldn't stick in parts of New York, anyway.

Before he left the U.S., Giuliani spoke of his "great hero" -- British wartime Prime Minister Winston Churchill, who pulled Britain from the rubble of Nazi bombing and guided the nation to victory in World War II.

"Part of the reason why I feel so emotional about this honour, which I feel is an honour for my entire city not just for me, is because the people of Britain and the people of London in particular were a source of strength for me," Giuliani told the BBC.


SWR adds... Really????? Well I'll be.
 

piggyandpeewee

Membership Revoked
The only way that Colin Powell can be talked into running for the Presidency is to

have it handed to him on a silver platter. For some reason for a long time now I can see Cheney bowing out due to health, Bush picking Powell to take his place and God forbid, Powell becoming President when Bush is "taken out".

Only Powell can assure Bush's reelection this year, and only by becoming Bush's veep can Powell be coronated in 2008 without having to humble himself in a get-down primary fight.

Poor Hillary! :rolleyes:
 
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