GUNS/RLTD Salena Zito: For Many Jews Owning a Gun was Taboo. Now They’re Buying Them.

WalknTrot

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Salena Zito.com
Dec. 10, 2

For Many Jews Owning a Gun was Taboo. Now They’re Buying Them.​


PITTSBURGH — Outside of that one time going to target practice with some friends while he was in medical school, the first time David picked up a gun to learn how to use it — this time for protection — was five years ago, when he went to a range a few weeks after Robert Bowers walked into the Tree of Life synagogue and killed 11 people who had gathered to worship not far from David’s home in the Squirrel Hill neighborhood of Pittsburgh.

“Handling a gun, let alone owning one, was not anything I had ever considered doing in my life,” said David, who asked that his full name not be used for fear of personal safety of himself and his family.

Once a taboo thought

“The ‘tradition’ of gun ownership, historically, in my family was virtually non-existent. Perhaps one of my grandfathers, who both served in World War II, had one — if they did, though, it was never discussed,” explained David, 49, who grew up on the Main Line of Philadelphia.

Under the keen eye of a trained instructor, who was also Jewish, David was surprised at how comfortable he was handling a gun. As someone who grew up in a community in which owning guns was unthinkable, he was surprised at how many of his friends also owned guns.

“Growing up, the mere thought of owning a gun or handling a gun was taboo. However, once I started having conversations with people after Tree of Life, I found the reality is everybody might be somebody who would buy a gun. It just depends on what it takes to get one,” he explained.

Still, he and his wife shelved the idea five years ago.

Then Oct. 7 happened — and everything else that went with it in the following days and weeks, like the brazen antisemitic graffiti splattered on the front wall of Allderdice High School and throughout the Summerset neighborhood, as well as the tire slashings, the defacing and burning of lawn signs that support Israel, and the woman using a hammer to hit the window of Marvista Design where a sign read “We Stand With Israel.”

Along the Murray-Forbes business corridor, people have been defiantly tearing down Israeli hostage posters, incidents that David says makes him feel the need to hide evidence of his faith when taking a walk.

His fear is justified. Antisemitism in this country has reached what the FBI categorizes as a “historic level.” Last month, the Anti-Defamation League reported antisemitic incidents in the United States rose by about 400% in the first two weeks alone after the war broke out. By the end of October, that number hit an average of 28 a day — and is still climbing.

Looking to buy

In response, Jews like David — who never once considered handling a gun in their entire lives — have been signing up for gun safety classes, either in groups or in one-on-one sessions at local ranges across the city and the region. And buying them, as are many other Americans.

According to the FBI, more background checks on gun sales were run this October than last October. The National Shooting Sports Foundation reports over 1.3 million gun checks, an 8.3% increase over the same period in 2022.

Larry Anderson, a security professional who began his career decades ago as a certified shooting instructor, said he began gun safety and handling instructions here in Squirrel Hill recently because of the spread of interest in self-protection in the community; his first class was almost exclusively women.

The class was free. “I did it for free because it is a way to give back. It’s a Tzedakah,” he said, using the Hebrew word used for charitable giving. He’s adding dozens more classes because of demand.

The people in his classes aren’t just going to the range to learn how to properly handle a firearm, said Mr. Anderson, who is Jewish. They are also learning how to store one, the laws of carrying one — and how to buy one.

Mr. Anderson said it is interesting to watch the expression that crosses a mother’s or a grandmother’s or a young woman’s face when she goes from someone who has always looked at gun ownership with either hesitancy or revulsion to the realization that it empowers her. It has nothing to do with politics.

It’s similar to a moment in the movie “Shane,” he said, when the gunfighter tells a mother annoyed at him for teaching her young son to draw and shoot that the gun is not something to fear. Instead, he says it’s “a tool, like a shovel or a hammer or an axe. It’s not bad in and of itself; it’s what you do with it.”

A new understanding transforms how they view guns. “It is the same approach with the people who are looking to protect, primarily, their children — young parents with school age children — and they see the ‘We stand with Israel’ signs being defaced. They see the incidents in Philadelphia. And they realize, ‘Yes, this is just a tool to defend ourselves.’”

Muhlenberg College political science professor Chris Borick said that the identification of gun ownership with the Republican Party is a recent development in the ever-increasing polarization in American politics, where everything seems to be becoming a political hot potato. Gun ownership used to transcended politics and was, at one time, a fascinating overlay, he said.

“You think about Democrat, Republican, and the makeup of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party — and geographically where they were — guns historically transcended lots of those lines. You could be a Southern Democrat and be a big hunter, or the Republican country club member to never pick up a gun in your life.” The shift to classic partisan divides on the topic began with the Reagan assassination attempt and have been unfolding ever since.

Everyone will buy a gun

That tracks, said David of his suburban family roots along the Main Line and the cultural distance between his family and gun ownership.

David said he has come around to realizing that — as one-by-one his friends go from “maybe” to “yes” to actually buying a gun — when he gets to that threshold, he won’t be giving up a part of his cultural identity. “I really believe everyone I know is at some stage of buying a gun, and it all just depends on how far you feel pushed to do it.”

“When you felt threatened enough, you do it. And I think I’m just taboo’d out.”
 

Raffy

Veteran Member
Good for them! If a significant minority of Jews owned firearms during the 1930's in Germany and other part of Europe, the Holocaust might never have happened - or at least not to the degree that it did. To quote from the article, a gun is “a tool, like a shovel or a hammer or an axe. It’s not bad in and of itself; it’s what you do with it.”
 

subnet

Boot
Good for them! If a significant minority of Jews owned firearms during the 1930's in Germany and other part of Europe, the Holocaust might never have happened - or at least not to the degree that it did. To quote from the article, a gun is “a tool, like a shovel or a hammer or an axe. It’s not bad in and of itself; it’s what you do with it.”
"If a significant minority of Jews owned firearms during the 1930's in Germany and other part of Europe" and the will to use them.
 

Wyominglarry

Veteran Member
Yeah, finally Israelis are waking up to what Americans knew in 1791. You are on your own to protect yourself and your family. There currently is a huge number of people who have applied, but have not yet received a firearm. I am told by family and friends in Israel that handguns are difficult to find and rifles are just about non existent. The problem is the sudden and huge demand for firearms. I lost track as to how many firearm applications for a license have been submitted, but at the last count about two weeks ago over 230,000 applications have been submitted. No way Israel has 230,000 handguns available in just a couple of months to provide to everyone who applied. In addition if you have small hands you cannot hold a pistol with a large grip, so this is also another limiting problem.

Now for rifles. Israel gets lots of surplus and new M16 and M4s from the US in the form of funding, which is used to buy American rifles. Under the commies in DC they are making it difficult for this to happen and are trying to prevent Israel from buying directly from American arms manufactures. If you watch any of the videos coming out of the war against Hamas you will notice all types of rifles and optics being used. I notice M16s with short barrels with uppers having carrying handles. The last time I can remember when M16s had carrying handles was when I was in the army. Carrying handles were gone many many years ago in the US. So you can imagine how old some of those rifles are that the Israeli forces are using. I see optics that are 25 years old too. Israel just does not have enough rifles of modern desire for all their reserve soldiers.

Now imagine how difficult it is to supply 230,000 civilians with modern rifles. I can only hope Israel is importing thousands of rifles from European countries.

The IWI which is an Israeli company does manufacture in Israel many different handguns and rifles such as the Tavor, X95, and the Ace lines. However, they produce small numbers mostly for the military for the Tavor and X95 and some for export. My cousin told me the gun shops are packed with customers, but there are not enough guns for everyone to buy. Also, there is a real shortage of ammo.

Remember when the BLM/Antifa riots of 2020 were going on and everyone and their mom were buying ammo and guns. Many stores ran out of ammo and even at a dollar a round you could not find any. Well, now imagine what a problem this is with such a small country like Israel to provide ammo. There is only ONE ammo manufacture in Israel. There is a lot of ammo being imported, but that takes time to find, buy, ship, and distribute.

Then there is training. Every training class that my cousin signed up for was filled up in minutes. A firearm is no good if you do not know how to shoot and train with it.

The situation in Judea and Samaria is very tense. Hamas in all over this area and constantly attacking the Jewish villages in this area. The majority of civilian gun permits are coming from this area. The Jews need the weapons to defend themselves from the ragheads and terrorists who keep attacking them. The Jewish villages are mostly farms. They are not enough military posts near by to protect everyone. The Jewish civilians need the weapons to protect themselves. The same reason we as Americans have the second amendment. We have a god given right to self defense.
 
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Voortrekker

Veteran Member
The Jews didn't use guns during the Spartan Rebellions because it would have prompted their most hated enemies, the White Christian Germans to equally arm up. Jews were the evil communists in Germany and the Soviet Union.

Jews always used the government guns of whichever country they were exploiting/destroying instead of doing it themselves. They always outsourced violence.

There is no evidence that the "Holocaust" ever happened, hence the term "Holohoax."
Now that their nation destroying liberal agenda has taken a life of its own out of their political control, they are in a panic. Or, it's all part of their scam. We'll still be disarmed and murdered by their proxies like the current Europeans.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yeah, finally Israelis are waking up to what Americans knew in 1791. You are on your own to protect yourself and your family. There currently is a huge number of people who have applied, but have not yet received a firearm. I am told by family and friends in Israel that handguns are difficult to find and rifles are just about non existent. The problem is the sudden and huge demand for firearms. I lost track as to how many firearm applications for a license have been submitted, but at the last count about two weeks ago over 230,000 applications have been submitted. No way Israel has 230,000 handguns available in just a couple of months to provide to everyone who applied. In addition if you have small hands you cannot hold a pistol with a large grip, so this is also another limiting problem.

Now for rifles. Israel gets lots of surplus and new M16 and M4s from the US in the form of funding, which is used to buy American rifles. Under the commies in DC they are making it difficult for this to happen and are trying to prevent Israel from buying directly from American arms manufactures. If you watch any of the videos coming out of the war against Hamas you will notice all types of rifles and optics being used. I notice M16s with short barrels with uppers having carrying handles. The last time I can remember when M16s had carrying handles was when I was in the army. Carrying handles were gone many many years ago in the US. So you can imagine how old some of those rifles are that the Israeli forces are using. I see optics that are 25 years old too. Israel just does not have enough rifles of modern desire for all their reserve soldiers.

Now imagine how difficult it is to supply 230,000 civilians with modern rifles. I can only hope Israel is importing thousands of rifles from European countries.

The IWI which is an Israeli company does manufacture in Israel many different handguns and rifles such as the Tavor, X95, and the Ace lines. However, they produce small numbers mostly for the military for the Tavor and X95 and some for export. My cousin told me the gun shops are packed with customers, but there are not enough guns for everyone to buy. Also, there is a real shortage of ammo.

Remember when the BLM/Antifa riots of 2020 were going on and everyone and their mom were buying ammo and guns. Many stores ran out of ammo and even at a dollar a round you could not find any. Well, now imagine what a problem that is with such a small country like Israel to provide ammo. There is only ONE ammo manufacture in Israel. There is a lot of ammo being imported, but that takes time to find, buy, ship, and distribute.

Then there is training. Every training class that my cousin signed up for was filled up in minutes. A firearm is no good if you do not know how to shoot and train with it.

The situation in Judea and Samaria is very tense. Hamas in all over this area and constantly attacking the Jewish villages in this area. The majority of civilian gun permits are coming from this area. The Jews need the weapons to defend themselves from the ragheads and terrorists who keep attacking them. The Jewish villages are mostly farms. They are not enough military posts near by to protect everyone. The Jewish civilians need the weapons to protect themselves. The same reason we as Americans have the second amendment. We have a god given right to self defense.
Just as a side note to your comments:

When they had the mass shooting in Maine, within 2 weeks all the gun stores were sold out. Reality bit them hard too.

It's all Ooooo and Awwwwing believing in the socialist utopia. But it's screaming and running for your lives when reality hits.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Those who fought against my right to self-defense, and against the 2 amendment, and against any conservative politician, while they planted one communist/socialist/anti-American after another in our governments, need to be consistent and swear away any weapons for themselves. These are the people who destroyed our country. Bringing it to hell is giving them a dose of reality. Well good for them because it has been bad for us for decades.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
Yeah, finally Israelis are waking up to what Americans knew in 1791. You are on your own to protect yourself and your family. There currently is a huge number of people who have applied, but have not yet received a firearm. I am told by family and friends in Israel that handguns are difficult to find and rifles are just about non existent. The problem is the sudden and huge demand for firearms. I lost track as to how many firearm applications for a license have been submitted, but at the last count about two weeks ago over 230,000 applications have been submitted. No way Israel has 230,000 handguns available in just a couple of months to provide to everyone who applied. In addition if you have small hands you cannot hold a pistol with a large grip, so this is also another limiting problem.

Why aren't they repurposing some of the pistols, rifles, and ammunition they're capturing from Hamas for civilian use?
 

Wyominglarry

Veteran Member
At least for the captured AKs, carrying an AK in Israel is likely a shoot on sight offense.
Carrying an AK would probably not be looked on well in Israel. I agree you could be shot on sight. Years ago I visited a museum in Israel that showed a picture of some of the weapons captured in 1967 and 1973 from the Egyptian army. The caption said over 250,000 AKs were captured. I am pretty sure Israel still has those rifles and ammo.
 
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Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Good for them! If a significant minority of Jews owned firearms during the 1930's in Germany and other part of Europe, the Holocaust might never have happened - or at least not to the degree that it did. To quote from the article, a gun is “a tool, like a shovel or a hammer or an axe. It’s not bad in and of itself; it’s what you do with it.”
Not just Germany during the 1930s… how about Gaza on Oct 7, 2023…
 

1911user

Veteran Member
Carrying an AK would probably not be looked on well in Israel. I agree you could be shoot on sight. Years ago I visited a museum in Israel that showed a picture of some of the weapons captured in 1967 and 1973 from the Egyptian army. The caption said over 250,000 AKs were captured. I am pretty sure Israel still has those rifles and ammo.
Someone might see an AK and assume you just came out of a hidden tunnel for a surprise attack. Arming Israelis with captured AKs would be tricky.
 

dvo

Veteran Member
Someone might see an AK and assume you just came out of a hidden tunnel for a surprise attack. Arming Israelis with captured AKs would be tricky.
Sold mine, many years ago. Didn’t think the appearance would play well if the dominant law enforcement tool was the AR. That might be a bit paranoid. They work well within the confines of the design. And, many AR type rifles have been captured or left behind in our global war. So…maybe I should have kept them around. Global chaos sooner than you think.
 

Matt

Veteran Member
They are no different than the lefties and normies here in the FUSA... once the hysteria dies down, the never used pistols will be sold back to the gun shops at a loss.... Lefties and normies are seldom capable of meaningful changes in their depraved thought process.

I have purchased a few never fired used guns in the past few years at the local sportsmans warehouse.... thanks Antifa/BLM/ Saint Floyd, etc.... I appreciate y'all scaring the normies into subsidizing my collection.....
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Someone might see an AK and assume you just came out of a hidden tunnel for a surprise attack. Arming Israelis with captured AKs would be tricky.

OIP.awqdjzEM3tSfkIraote_ZAAAAA
 

Hognutz

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The Jews didn't use guns during the Spartan Rebellions because it would have prompted their most hated enemies, the White Christian Germans to equally arm up. Jews were the evil communists in Germany and the Soviet Union.

Jews always used the government guns of whichever country they were exploiting/destroying instead of doing it themselves. They always outsourced violence.

There is no evidence that the "Holocaust" ever happened, hence the term "Holohoax."
Now that their nation destroying liberal agenda has taken a life of its own out of their political control, they are in a panic. Or, it's all part of their scam. We'll still be disarmed and murdered by their proxies like the current Europeans.
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Hognutz

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Those who fought against my right to self-defense, and against the 2 amendment, and against any conservative politician, while they planted one communist/socialist/anti-American after another in our governments, need to be consistent and swear away any weapons for themselves. These are the people who destroyed our country. Bringing it to hell is giving them a dose of reality. Well good for them because it has been bad for us for decades.
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Henry Bowman

Veteran Member
This one goes all the way back to 1916
I see a pattern
Election YearCandidates% of Jewish Vote% of National Vote
1916Hughes (R)
45
46
Wilson (D)
55
49
1920Harding (R)
43
60
Cox (D)
19
34
Debs (Socialist)
38
3
1924Coolidge (R)
27
54
Davis (D)
51
29
LaFollette (P)
22
17
1928Hoover (R)
28
58
Smith (D)
72
41
1932Hoover (R)
18
40
Roosevelt (D)
82
57
1936Landon (R)
15
37
Roosevelt (D)
85
61
1940Wilkie (R)
10
45
Roosevelt (D)
90
55
1944Dewey (R)
10
46
Roosevelt (D)
90
53
1948Dewey (R)
10
45
Truman (D)
75
50
Wallace (Progressive)
15
2
1952Eisenhower (R)
36
55
Stevenson (D)
64
44
1956Eisenhower (R)
40
57
Stevenson (D)
60
42
1960Nixon (R)
18
50
Kennedy (D)
82
50
1964Goldwater (R)
10
38
Johnson (D)
90
61
1968Nixon (R)
17
43
Humphrey (D)
81
43
Wallace (Independent)
2
13
1972Nixon (R)
35
61
McGovern (D)
65
38
1976Ford (R)
27
48
Carter (D)
71
50
1980Reagan (R)
39
51
Carter (D)
45
41
Anderson (I)
15
6
1984Reagan (R)
31
59
Mondale (D)
57
41
1988Bush (R)
35
53
Dukakis (D)
64
46
1992Bush (R)
11
37
Clinton (D)
80
43
Perot (I)
9
19
1996Dole (R)
16
41
Clinton (D)
78
49
Perot (I)
3
8
2000Bush (R)
19
48
Gore (D)
79
48
Nader (I)
1
2
2004Bush (R)
24
51
Kerry (D)
76
48
2008McCain (R)
22
46
Obama (D)
78
53
2012Romney (R)
30
47
Obama (D)
69
51
2016Trump (R)
24
46
Clinton (D)
71
48
2020^Trump (R)
30
49
Biden (D)
68
51

Lets see if this changes in 2024...
I wouldn't hold my breath. They have ALWAYS shown themselves to be self destructive even from the inception of what we would call early Judaism ...there are reasons for the issues they have had. They just never seem to learn.

One day they will...but that will be the end of days.
 
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