I am sure every one has heard of Shingles. All the years of my life, it has been rare to hear of it. Now, for about a year I have been hearing of a lot of people getting it! When a young acquaintance came down with it a couple of weeks ago, her Dr. said he had never seen any thing like what is going on. He said that he had 30 cases come in within a few days! Is this just a small cluster in the panhandle of Florida....OR is this happening everywhere? I have decided to post this thread to sort of do a nation wide check up..with you folks here. Any reports and or ideas about this mystery?
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Absolutely... and the explosion in the number of cases can be traced exactly to when the chicken pox vaccine came out!
My oldest son teaches high school.... he's had as many as a dozen students with shingles in one year!! (small rural high school... I don't think there's more than 100 in the entire class)
So, what did they do? They came out with a shingles vaccine!! Sheesh...
That was when I became convinced that MODERN vaccination development is solely about money... they've obviously run out of all the truly dangerous diseases, where the risk of side effects was far outweighed by the number of lives destroyed or lost from the disease itself. So now they're going after "diseases of inconvenience"... I've actually heard doctors say that the chicken pox vaccine is mainly "to prevent lost work time from parents who have to keep the kids out of day care and stay home with them". BAH...
Summerthyme
My oldest son teaches high school.... he's had as many as a dozen students with shingles in one year!! (small rural high school... I don't think there's more than 100 in the entire class)
So, what did they do? They came out with a shingles vaccine!! Sheesh...
That was when I became convinced that MODERN vaccination development is solely about money... they've obviously run out of all the truly dangerous diseases, where the risk of side effects was far outweighed by the number of lives destroyed or lost from the disease itself. So now they're going after "diseases of inconvenience"... I've actually heard doctors say that the chicken pox vaccine is mainly "to prevent lost work time from parents who have to keep the kids out of day care and stay home with them". BAH...
Summerthyme
Rock Creek! I know...the way some people post on line AND talk in town...it is the most PAINFUL thing they have never known to exist!
Summerthyme this brings me to tears. We are getting bullied. Every where I turn I see the poor American people being sacrificed and bullied. I can only give many, many, many THANKS to the whistle blowers who are sacrificing everything they have financially, to do the right thing.
Summerthyme this brings me to tears. We are getting bullied. Every where I turn I see the poor American people being sacrificed and bullied. I can only give many, many, many THANKS to the whistle blowers who are sacrificing everything they have financially, to do the right thing.
Egyptian mummy
Member
My girlfriend is 55 and she got shingles a year ago. Bothersome for her. I doubt she had any pox vaccines so she must have
gotton it from the chk pox as a child which all of us older people got. I got the pox as a kid and am in my late 50's now. Hope
i don't get shingles......
gotton it from the chk pox as a child which all of us older people got. I got the pox as a kid and am in my late 50's now. Hope
i don't get shingles......
I have had shingles. Best avoided.
This is not a fun disease. People have been blinded by it. Vaccines for us olde folk are supposed to be maybe 50-70% effective. Have not heard about it being suggested for younger people.
Chicken pox is not fun either. I personally know of one case where the kid ended up looking like he'd had small pox. He had deep pits all over him.
I lucked out, no scar and no effect except for the shingles later.
This is not a fun disease. People have been blinded by it. Vaccines for us olde folk are supposed to be maybe 50-70% effective. Have not heard about it being suggested for younger people.
Chicken pox is not fun either. I personally know of one case where the kid ended up looking like he'd had small pox. He had deep pits all over him.
I lucked out, no scar and no effect except for the shingles later.
Vicki
Girls With Guns Member
I got shingles last year in the winter months. I woke up one evening with severe pain in my lower back and throughout my abdomen. I couldn't sleep, it got so I couldn't sit, couldn't stand, couldn't function at ALL!! I was in gushing tears with pain but I somehow managed to get myself in the shower and then get dressed. I woke up my son who was thankfully staying with me that night (it was 3am in the morning) and begged him to take me to the emergency room. You must realize I would AVOID the hospital at all costs so that is the pain I was experiencing.
Once in the hospital they gave me an IV with something that halfway knocked me out and took away the majority of the pain. I drifted in and out for the next three hours and then they released me. Oh forgot, somewhere in there they did a CT scan I guess but I was pretty delirious when that happened. Vaguely remember that part. I slept most of the next day and when I awoke the pain was pretty well gone.
Two or three days went by and I noticed this intense itching in my lower back and discovered I had some sort of rash. The area was impossible for me to actually see but I could feel it was about the size of a softball and raised up small bumpy rash that itched intensely. Lucky for me I had a friend come for me to do her hair and she's a CNP. I asked her to look at my rash since I couldn't see it. I lifted my shirt and she exclaimed "Oh Vicki, you've got shingles!" Aye!!!
I made up some herbal infusions which I still have some of the formula on the ready and started drinking that immediately. My rash went away after a few more days. I was told I had had a mild case of it.
To end that little venture I got a bill from the hospital for almost $4000.00. Yeah.. nice. Not fun. I wouldn't wish it on anybody and if anyone wants my herbal formula, just ask.
Vicki
Once in the hospital they gave me an IV with something that halfway knocked me out and took away the majority of the pain. I drifted in and out for the next three hours and then they released me. Oh forgot, somewhere in there they did a CT scan I guess but I was pretty delirious when that happened. Vaguely remember that part. I slept most of the next day and when I awoke the pain was pretty well gone.
Two or three days went by and I noticed this intense itching in my lower back and discovered I had some sort of rash. The area was impossible for me to actually see but I could feel it was about the size of a softball and raised up small bumpy rash that itched intensely. Lucky for me I had a friend come for me to do her hair and she's a CNP. I asked her to look at my rash since I couldn't see it. I lifted my shirt and she exclaimed "Oh Vicki, you've got shingles!" Aye!!!
I made up some herbal infusions which I still have some of the formula on the ready and started drinking that immediately. My rash went away after a few more days. I was told I had had a mild case of it.
To end that little venture I got a bill from the hospital for almost $4000.00. Yeah.. nice. Not fun. I wouldn't wish it on anybody and if anyone wants my herbal formula, just ask.
Vicki
sundown
Member
Vicki, I am interested in trying your herbal formula. I had shingles almost two years ago, but whenever I'm under a lot of stress (more like when am I not) the neuropathy really kicks up. I just never know when I'm going to be hit with stabbing pain and sometimes the burning is constant.
I don't like vaccines, but I wouldn't wish shingles on anyone, so I have recommended it to my friends.
I don't like vaccines, but I wouldn't wish shingles on anyone, so I have recommended it to my friends.
Border Guns
Veteran Member
I hate taking a vaccine but this one sounded like I should go ahead and do it. Have seen it and don't want it.
Giskard
Only human
Got it a few months ago. Evidently it is a nerve thing. Residual from chicken pox as a child. Evidently, being a virus, the pox never really leave. They just lurk, looking for an opportunity to come out dancing in a new and glorious way. We evidently have three major nerve clusters; upper, mid, lower on each half of our bodies, so I am told. Upper suck because, as was shared here, you will get it upper back, neck, face. Mid, what I had, is mid back, down around groin (not fun) and around your side. Yeah. Opposite of fun.
Herpes zoster, is shingles isn't it? Here is a study.
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Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2010 Mar;29(3):205-8.
Risk factors of herpes zoster among children immunized with varicella vaccine: results from a nested case-control study.
Tseng HF, Smith N, Marcy SM, Sy LS, Chao CR, Jacobsen SJ.
Source
Department of Research and Evaluation, Southern California Permanente Medical Group, Kaiser Permanente, Pasadena, CA 91101, USA. Hung-Fu.x.Tseng@kp.org
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Previous studies of varicella-zoster virus reactivation in children have provided little information on potential risk factors. The aim of this study was to investigate the effects of race, chronic medical conditions and treatments, and recent vaccination, on the risk of herpes zoster (HZ) in children vaccinated with one dose of varicella vaccine.
METHODS:
Case subjects were identified from a cohort of subjects who were members of the Southern California Kaiser Permanente Health Plan and received primary immunization with a single-antigen live varicella vaccine at age < or = 12 years from 2002 to 2008. Control subjects free of HZ during the study period were matched at a 5:1 ratio to each case subject on date of birth and sex. Race information was obtained from membership files, health records, and phone interview. Immunization history, medical history, and health care utilization were identified from Southern California Kaiser Permanente Health Plan electronic records.
RESULTS:
During this time, 122 children were diagnosed with HZ. With adjustment for the number of hospitalizations, outpatient visits, and length of time between vaccination with varicella vaccine and the onset of HZ, Black children were at lower risk of developing HZ than were White (OR=0.41, 95% CI=0.17-0.98) and Asian children (OR=0.30, 95% CI=0.11-0.84).
CONCLUSIONS:
These data suggest that the racial differences in the risk of developing HZ seen in adults are manifest in children as well. As children are not subject to the majority of factors hypothesized to underlie HZ in adults and as this study was conducted in a setting which affords equal access to health care, it is possible that genetic variation may explain some portion of varicella-zoster virus reactivation.
PMID: 19952977 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2010 Mar;29(3):205-8.
Risk factors of herpes zoster among children immunized with varicella vaccine: results from a nested case-control study.
Tseng HF, Smith N, Marcy SM, Sy LS, Chao CR, Jacobsen SJ.
Source
Department of Research and Evaluation, Southern California Permanente Medical Group, Kaiser Permanente, Pasadena, CA 91101, USA. Hung-Fu.x.Tseng@kp.org
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Previous studies of varicella-zoster virus reactivation in children have provided little information on potential risk factors. The aim of this study was to investigate the effects of race, chronic medical conditions and treatments, and recent vaccination, on the risk of herpes zoster (HZ) in children vaccinated with one dose of varicella vaccine.
METHODS:
Case subjects were identified from a cohort of subjects who were members of the Southern California Kaiser Permanente Health Plan and received primary immunization with a single-antigen live varicella vaccine at age < or = 12 years from 2002 to 2008. Control subjects free of HZ during the study period were matched at a 5:1 ratio to each case subject on date of birth and sex. Race information was obtained from membership files, health records, and phone interview. Immunization history, medical history, and health care utilization were identified from Southern California Kaiser Permanente Health Plan electronic records.
RESULTS:
During this time, 122 children were diagnosed with HZ. With adjustment for the number of hospitalizations, outpatient visits, and length of time between vaccination with varicella vaccine and the onset of HZ, Black children were at lower risk of developing HZ than were White (OR=0.41, 95% CI=0.17-0.98) and Asian children (OR=0.30, 95% CI=0.11-0.84).
CONCLUSIONS:
These data suggest that the racial differences in the risk of developing HZ seen in adults are manifest in children as well. As children are not subject to the majority of factors hypothesized to underlie HZ in adults and as this study was conducted in a setting which affords equal access to health care, it is possible that genetic variation may explain some portion of varicella-zoster virus reactivation.
PMID: 19952977 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Lippincott Williams & Wilkins
Ovid Technologies, Inc.
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Shingles - MedlinePlus Health Information
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Labome Researcher Resource - ExactAntigen/Labome
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19952977/?i=5&from=/19536039/related
From the study .. If you are white and take the vaccine you might have problems. However if you aren't, no problem.
Vicki
Girls With Guns Member
Now I was told that once you have shingles, you won't get it again just like chicken pox but that may not be right. I do have a friend who had it for years and it made her life miserable but over the last year or so she seems to be mostly rid of it. She had a severe case so I don't know if that's why it has lasted so long in her or not. I certainly hope and pray I don't get it again.
I used an herbal combination in tea form and made a pretty strong infusion when I was taking it. I drank approximately three cups a day. I may have done slightly more in the beginning and slightle less after it was subsiding You can use other herbs as well but the combo I used and worked for me was this...
1 part Echinacea
1 part St. Johnswort
1 part Passion Flower
1 Part Siberian Ginseng
1/2 Part Spearmint (any mint will do as mints give the other herbs a kick to get started)
and I used stevia to sweeten it just a tad
20 minutes minimum in brewing and up to 4 hours will make a strong infusion. I'd make up a strong batch and refridgerate what was left and I drank it cold like ice tea while I brewed up the next batch.
I also used a cream on the rash at the same time made from Calendula, Aloe and St. Johnswort
I hope none of you get it and if you do, it's a mild case.
Blessings'
Vicki
Now I was told that once you have shingles, you won't get it again just like chicken pox but that may not be right.
I would not want to bet the farm on that. I am pretty sure it can pop up again. And I have had one experience bad enough that I have considered the vaccine.
I cannot imagine a whole room full of kids with shingles. It must be a very mild case.
I would not want to bet the farm on that. I am pretty sure it can pop up again. And I have had one experience bad enough that I have considered the vaccine.
I cannot imagine a whole room full of kids with shingles. It must be a very mild case.
Giskard
Only human
Well, I was advised by my Doctor that the chances are somewhat slimer, but I still could again. It is a virus, like chickenpox. Once you have a virus, it stays there for the rest of your natural days. His advice was to buy myself a birthday present next birthday and get the new vaccine. He said incredible results so for, which has been great particularly for the elderly. I guess it can run north of $100 for the vaccine at this time.
Giskard
Only human
Would've probably tried that. I didn't go to the Doc for about 2 weeks. He looked at me like I was insane. I didn't want shots either. He said I must have a high pain tolerance. I suppose, but I'm no Jack Baur. It was very uncomfortable. It made muscles (or I suppose the nerves in them) light up like a Christmas Tree, tingle, itch, burn. It is contagious if it breaks open, so watch the loved ones. I have never been vaccinated so, other than chicken pox when I was maybe 6, I dunno what activated it. Thank God it's over though!
Vicki
Girls With Guns Member
A Doc wanted to give me some expensive pills right after I found out as well but I was already well on the mend and declined the offer. They cost $100. I just looked up reoccurance and it said about 5% of the time it does. That's not too bad if you're not in that 5%.
I'm not one to rush out and get a vax when it first becomes available but this one I will be getting. Unfortunately I am not yet old enough. I suffer from reoccuring Bells Palsy which is related to the chicken pox/shingles virus. After the last bout of palsy not all the small facial nerves connected and some connected wrong so one side of my face doesn't work like the other. If a vax can help lessen my chances of getting it again I'm all for trying it.
Thanks for the herbal tea recipe Vicki. We think my hubby may have had a case of shingles shortly before Christmas. He had about a dozen "bites", or so we thought they might have been, one evening. No bugs in his clothes, in his hair or on his side of the bed. I didn't get any "bites" and they did not appear on any other part of his body. They were in a cluster on his upper arm, on the back side of his armpit, and some about 1/4" across in size. I didn't see any blisters, which we were later told the shingles look like when they first come on, but about 10 of these were bleeding. He had really been scratching them. I put a very liberal dose of Rawleigh's antiseptic salve on the area and taped gauze over it. By morning, the bleeding had stopped, the other red spots were just red spots about the size of the end of a thumb, and no blisters. The itching was fierce and continued for a couple of weeks when he went to the doctor for his A1C test. Doc said if he had to guess he would suspect a case of shingles! That never crossed our minds. Doc recommended he have the shingles vaccine but he has not done so yet. If any of us come down with anything like this again, I will be very happy to administer the tea and see if that can't bring some relief.
Now, I had not heard of children getting this. Always thought of it as an 'old people's disease and since we are past 70 figured that was about right. Do you suppose this is a new version of the old shingles that people are coming in contact with? or is my tinfoil hat on too tight?
Now, I had not heard of children getting this. Always thought of it as an 'old people's disease and since we are past 70 figured that was about right. Do you suppose this is a new version of the old shingles that people are coming in contact with? or is my tinfoil hat on too tight?
Vicki
Girls With Guns Member
Hi Deb, that's easy. Parts are as in 1 teaspoon full of each and then 1/2 teaspoon of say the mint. A pinch of stevia.
A pinch is about 1/8 of a teaspoon. Use whatever measuring device you like as long as the parts are what you want. Some herbs should only be a small part to act as a catalyst for the others as does mint in that recipe.As far as adding water, I usually figure about 1 teaspoon of herb per cup. I have a nice tea press that holds about 4 cups or a tad more. I usually use that but I have been known to use canning jars quite often as well. make sure you put something to cover the tea while it brews so as not to let the steam escape. It holds valuable alkaloids. Hope that helps you!
Vicki
Vicki
Girls With Guns Member
God Bless you Kua, you're hubby's lucky to have you! And you him I'm sure.
The way you described the rash sounds like what mine felt like. I never did get to really see it. One time I had my son take a picture of it with his cell phone and send it to me but the picture wasn't good and I really couldn't see the rash. I certainly could feel it though and it itched so bad at first it drove me crazy. Right in the small of my back. I've never heard of the Rawley's. It sounds like it worked quite well. I try to arm myself against these crazy diseases but I was told that I must not think of it as a war. I'm to think of it as an opportunity to learn and grow. It certainly makes us do that. lol Blessings'
Vicki
kua said:
Shingles is *chicken pox* that has hidden in your system and "breaks out" of your cells, usually due to some physical or mental stress (anything from running a marathon to divorce or a death in the family....) at some point after you've recovered the first time.
It USED TO BE an "older persons' disease".. generally seen in people over 50, probably as their immune systems became a little less efficient. However, since the introduction of the chicken pox vaccine it has become quite common in MUCH younger people. My oldest son developed shingles after he ran a triathlon. However, he's a high school earth science teacher, and he's told me about all the high school kids who are developing shingles!! And yes, they all got the chicken pox vaccine. Talk about "unintended consequences"!!!
Summerthyme
Caver78
Contributing Member
Thanks Summerthyme!
Retinal or corneal shingles affects about 25 percent of people who get shingles.
http://www.aafp.org/afp/2002/1101/p1723.html
This is a little wordy, but very worth reading. I Developed retinal shingles in 06, and it was misery. I couldn't see out of my right eye and it's shockingly painful. The light sensitivity was just peachy. It was determined to be stress related, thank goodness I went right to the eye-surgon's and by-passed a regular opthomoligist.
Fast forward to 2010...I assumed I'd gotten conjunctivitus from sawdust while playing with the chainsaw. What I didn't know is once Herpes Zoster kicks up you are at definate risk of another episodes, each usually more severe than the first. By the second episode there is no guarentee the antivirals will work. If they don't you're losing the eye.
This time it was in my cornea....I procrastinated and have perminently lost 1/2 my vision in my eye. The antivirals worked some, but it was too little too late. I waited two weeks and really screwed up. It began as itching, like a stye was coming on.....or pollen allergies. Simple and non-threatening.
Even with a cornea transplant there is no guarentee it wouldn't come back and paying out of pocket isn't an option.
No way am I poo-pooing other forms of shingles, but this hit me in my mid forties. I'd assumed shingles was an old-person's disease, who wouldn't? Really big mistake.
Putting this out there for folks because it really doesn't get discussed.
What probably saved the eye was me getting OVC eyedrops with acedimophen in them, ice packs and no exposure to sunlight. WHOOPS....like other shingles you absolutely can't go outside almost forgot that part.....heheheh....miserable summer here with a backlog of yardwork. The Doc said I'd done the right things, except for not racing in to him. The first week of symptoms aren't anything you'd consider doc-worthy which is why this is so dangerous.
Retinal or corneal shingles affects about 25 percent of people who get shingles.
http://www.aafp.org/afp/2002/1101/p1723.html
This is a little wordy, but very worth reading. I Developed retinal shingles in 06, and it was misery. I couldn't see out of my right eye and it's shockingly painful. The light sensitivity was just peachy. It was determined to be stress related, thank goodness I went right to the eye-surgon's and by-passed a regular opthomoligist.
Fast forward to 2010...I assumed I'd gotten conjunctivitus from sawdust while playing with the chainsaw. What I didn't know is once Herpes Zoster kicks up you are at definate risk of another episodes, each usually more severe than the first. By the second episode there is no guarentee the antivirals will work. If they don't you're losing the eye.
This time it was in my cornea....I procrastinated and have perminently lost 1/2 my vision in my eye. The antivirals worked some, but it was too little too late. I waited two weeks and really screwed up. It began as itching, like a stye was coming on.....or pollen allergies. Simple and non-threatening.
Even with a cornea transplant there is no guarentee it wouldn't come back and paying out of pocket isn't an option.
No way am I poo-pooing other forms of shingles, but this hit me in my mid forties. I'd assumed shingles was an old-person's disease, who wouldn't? Really big mistake.
Putting this out there for folks because it really doesn't get discussed.
What probably saved the eye was me getting OVC eyedrops with acedimophen in them, ice packs and no exposure to sunlight. WHOOPS....like other shingles you absolutely can't go outside almost forgot that part.....heheheh....miserable summer here with a backlog of yardwork. The Doc said I'd done the right things, except for not racing in to him. The first week of symptoms aren't anything you'd consider doc-worthy which is why this is so dangerous.
Kable
Contributing Member
Thanks Vicki! My Dad has a current case which is terrible. It's been 12 weeks now. I made up a batch of C-Silver a couple weeks ago and it helped more than anything else, but he's still not over them. Going to forward your info to my Mom and have her give that a try. He is down to just some lingering abdomen pain that won't go away, so your tea may work at this point!
Appreciate it!
Appreciate it!
Dinghy
Veteran Member
My 35 year old daughter came down with it the week after Christmas. She had terrible neck pain. I think the stress of taking care of her sick husband and kids over Christmas made her too run down. Luckily she had it fairly mild and is almost over it. I went down and stayed with her for a week, because she was too sick to take care of her 2 babies.
I really appreciate all the comments and helpful hints on this thread. We hope we never have a reoccurance but you never know. I was talking with my SIL this week and she told me her gentleman friend, who is 86 yrs old, has shingles often on one foot. She puts white vinegar on his foot when he has a breakout. It calms the terrible itching. She may have to do it several times but it soon goes away. He has been diagnosed as having shingles so it isn't just a guess but the white vinegar does better than any treatment the doctor suggests.
Snipped from Caver 78's post; Fast forward to 2010...I assumed I'd gotten conjunctivitus from sawdust while playing with the chainsaw. What I didn't know is once Herpes Zoster kicks up you are at definate risk of another episodes, each usually more severe than the first. By the second episode there is no guarentee the antivirals will work. If they don't you're losing the eye. Unsnip
C.78,
What I would have done, and do..when I have that First indication..is address it immediately. It seems like an innocent itch. But it was the initial invasion. I wash my eyes with salt water. Salt is good about making the territory uninviting. Can't hurt.
C.78,
What I would have done, and do..when I have that First indication..is address it immediately. It seems like an innocent itch. But it was the initial invasion. I wash my eyes with salt water. Salt is good about making the territory uninviting. Can't hurt.
davidinthewilderness
Inactive
A simple option is taking Biotin (B Vitamin). It works. I always have a bottle around just in case someone has need. The soon you begin the supplement the easier the siege will be. It takes longer if you wait until the ulceration stage. That was the remedy we gave both in dentistry and alternative medicine.
Celeste
Celeste
shinerbock
Innocent Bystander
Preventative Medicine
In 2007 I received a waiver from my PCP and had the shingles vaccination even though I was 54 @ the time. The waiver was necessary because at the time (can't speak to now) one had to be 60 in order to receive the vaccine.
In my case, the doctor felt I was @ high risk because of my medical history which included many neurological diseases including Bell's Palsy, peripheral neuropathy, carpal tunnels and of course the childhood exposure to chicken pox. The cost was not covered and @ that time the out-of-pocket cost was $176.
My mother's sister had a severe case in her early sixties and developed the symptoms on her back and sides which then spread to her corneas. Having the innoculation was a simple decision for me. I've had enough pain in my life from the nerve disease that's already active in my body. I have never had the flu since having annual flu shots though I'm guessing that some people do have adverse reactions to vaccines - I'm just not one of them. Medical choices are always a risk/benefit assessment on the part of the physician. As a patient and having seen what shingles can do to someone who already has chronic illness (including myself), the gamble was an easy decision; so far, so good.
In 2007 I received a waiver from my PCP and had the shingles vaccination even though I was 54 @ the time. The waiver was necessary because at the time (can't speak to now) one had to be 60 in order to receive the vaccine.
In my case, the doctor felt I was @ high risk because of my medical history which included many neurological diseases including Bell's Palsy, peripheral neuropathy, carpal tunnels and of course the childhood exposure to chicken pox. The cost was not covered and @ that time the out-of-pocket cost was $176.
My mother's sister had a severe case in her early sixties and developed the symptoms on her back and sides which then spread to her corneas. Having the innoculation was a simple decision for me. I've had enough pain in my life from the nerve disease that's already active in my body. I have never had the flu since having annual flu shots though I'm guessing that some people do have adverse reactions to vaccines - I'm just not one of them. Medical choices are always a risk/benefit assessment on the part of the physician. As a patient and having seen what shingles can do to someone who already has chronic illness (including myself), the gamble was an easy decision; so far, so good.
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One other thing- LYSINE is amazingly effective for herpes infections. If I was susceptible to shingles, I'd be taking a Lysine supplement, if not daily, at least at the first HINT of it coming back.
There is a herpes infection in cattle called mammalitis. It's an infection of the teats and udder, and supposedly only transferred within the herd from infected animals. Somehow, we (and at least half a dozen other herds in our breed the same spring) started having problems with it. It's horrible... it spreads through the udder and can turn gangrenous. According to the vets, there is NO cure. Well... I've developed a salve and dip which DOES cure it... and within an amazingly short time IF it's started early. It works so well that there are times we can't believe it. One of the main ingredients is lysine powder.
(interestingly, our vet believes the virus got into our herd via semen... all the herds with the problems breed AI. This isn't generally accepted as possible, but does seem to be the only real explanation)
Summerthyme
There is a herpes infection in cattle called mammalitis. It's an infection of the teats and udder, and supposedly only transferred within the herd from infected animals. Somehow, we (and at least half a dozen other herds in our breed the same spring) started having problems with it. It's horrible... it spreads through the udder and can turn gangrenous. According to the vets, there is NO cure. Well... I've developed a salve and dip which DOES cure it... and within an amazingly short time IF it's started early. It works so well that there are times we can't believe it. One of the main ingredients is lysine powder.
(interestingly, our vet believes the virus got into our herd via semen... all the herds with the problems breed AI. This isn't generally accepted as possible, but does seem to be the only real explanation)
Summerthyme
Just a little addendum about the white vinegar; dh had another outbreak of the painfully itching spots, this time on the right side of his back. Dosed it well with white vinegar and it is calmed down and most of the spots are gone. The pain is gone and so is the itching. We may just have been lucky but I'll try this again next time as well. I am printing all of this out so I can follow other tidbits of info when/if we need it in the future. Thanks everyone so much for sharing.
Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
They KNEW about this causing problems back on 2003, see this thread: http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...s-a-possible-cluster-here!&highlight=shingles
My personal thought is that the kids who have HAD chicken Pox are exposed later to kids with a fresh Vax for Chicken Pox end up with shingles OR the kids with the vax get exposed to real chicken pox and then they get the shingles.
My personal thought is that the kids who have HAD chicken Pox are exposed later to kids with a fresh Vax for Chicken Pox end up with shingles OR the kids with the vax get exposed to real chicken pox and then they get the shingles.
Vicki
Girls With Guns Member
Thanks for reposting that link WW. Very interesting read. Missing them nurses that are no loner with us. Bummer.
Post #18 speaks volumes in your link WW as does much of that thread. Here's a snip...
(Adding - for you newbies that don't know me since I'm not able to post often these days - I've been RN for over 25 years in ER / ICU including 5 years in BURN ICU at Parkland. One other sis is also RN also so we're pretty tough when it comes to sick folks. But I admit, neither of us knew much about SHINGLES till Mom's illness and man, this is a disease straight from HELL!!! It must kill thousands of elderly people every year (if not directly, from secondary infections and complications like stroke, MI, etc).
Edit to add: I do NOT trust any vaccines any more... too easy to accomplish hidden agendas by shooting people up with mystery substances, mercury poisoning, maybe even hidden biochips... NOPE, No thanks. And look who owns some of the Pharm companies ... Lordy!!! Some of the big name Pharm Corps originated in the Third Reich.... then you've got owners like Bin Laden family ,,, Carlyle Group, etc etc.