WTF?!? TENNESSEE TEACHERS TOLD NOT TO BOW HEADS, PRAY IN PUBLIC

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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TEACHERS TOLD NOT TO BOW HEADS, PRAY IN PUBLIC

By Todd Starnes


http://radio.foxnews.com/2011/09/28/christian-teachers-coaches-under-attack/?test=latestnews


A Tennessee school district is under fire after a group of middle school football coaches were reprimanded for bowing their heads during a post-game prayer and teachers were warned to hide from students if they chose to pray during a nationally organized prayer event.

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Sumner County school officials sent guidelines to staff members in advance of today’s “See You At the Pole” prayer event. Christian teenagers around the nation are gathering around their campus flag poles before class to pray for their schools, the nation and each other.

“When a teacher or administrator participates in events such as See You at the Pole, it is possible for a student to confuse a teacher or administrator’s personal speech with their official speech,” read a portion of the guidelines obtained by The Tennessean.

Teachers have not been banned from praying, but if they do – it must be done out of sight and earshot of students, the newspaper reported.

Sumner County school officials declined multiple requests for interviews.

“To tell the teachers that they cannot attend ‘See You At The Pole,’ which occurs before school hours, just doesn’t seem to be constitutional,” David Landrith, pastor of Long Hollow Baptist Church, wrote on his blog. “This is the United States of America.”

Landrith said he is a “pro-school” pastor and typically doesn’t get “fired-up” about politics. However, he decided to speak out once he began hearing reports that rights of Christian students and teachers have been under attack.

“Teachers have expressed to me that it is being communicated to them that they cannot do certain things: things like wear or display a cross, have a Bible on their desk in their office, have Scripture verses displayed in their personal work space, listen to Christian music in their office, or participate in a prayer at a Christian organization such as FCA or Bible study,” Landrith said.

He also alleged that one high school has forbidden students from handing out fliers about a Bible Study.

“You can’t ban people from practicing their faith in the marketplace – whether it’s a Muslim, Buddhist, or a Christian. Christianity should not be favored over other religions. However, Christians should have the same rights as everyone else.”

The prayer warning came just days after a group of football coaches at Westmoreland Middle were reprimanded after they joined their players for a student-led post-game prayer in the end zone.

The coaches were summoned to the principal’s office after someone witnessed the coaches bowing their heads – and notified school authorities.

“The idea that a coach or teacher cannot bow their head out of respect for student-led prayer is, quite frankly, ridiculous,” Landrith wrote.

However, an attorney for the school district told Fox News Radio there is not a ban on teachers or coaches bowing their heads.

“They were not told to not bow their heads,” David French, an attorney with the American Center for Law and Justice. “They were reminded that student-led events must remain student-led. Teachers cannot give the appearance of endorsing the student’s message.”

The school’s new policy prohibits staff members from engaging in “any conduct that creates an appearance of endorsement of the organization’s or club’s messages or ideas.”

The policy was written in response to a lawsuit filed last May by the American Civil Liberties Union, alleging the school district has endorsed Christianity and violated the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

The American Center for Law and Justice is representing the school district in the lawsuit. The ACLU declined to comment for this story.

“This whole tempest is the poisonous fruit of the ACLU tree,” French said, suggesting the school system is being especially cautious in light of the lawsuit. “It’s easy to imagine in a scenario where they are dealing with this incredibly aggressive attack from the ACLU that a public prayer would cause people to question it.”

The four coaches who bowed their heads were required to sign a letter stating that they understood the school’s policy. French said it was not a formal reprimand.

“There was no admonition against bowing,” he said. “They were asked to sign their understanding of school board policy regarding student participation.”

However, according to a copy of the letter obtained by Fox News Radio, the coaches were threatened with losing their positions of they violated the policy.

“If I fail to follow board policy, then I realize that I will not be allowed to serve as a coach,” the letter read.

So, are teachers and coaches allowed to simply bow their heads and join students in prayer?

“It’s a gray area,” French said. “It’s very contextual. With those guidelines in place, the staff members have to be cognizant of their surroundings and appearances and perceptions.”

The key, French said, is the student’s free speech rights.
“This is a policy that protects religious expression,” he said. “It doesn’t inhibit it.”

But that’s not how many Christians in the community feel about the rules.

“The House and Senate open with prayer,” he said. “The White House sponsors a National Day of Prayer,” Pastor Landrith said. “Good grief, even our presidents are sworn into office with their hands on a very visible Bible. But somehow in Sumner County our teachers cannot be a part of a student-led prayer effort?”
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Teachers have not been banned from praying, but if they do – it must be done out of sight and earshot of students, the newspaper reported.


The pornographication of Christianity continues. Would TPTB say this to MUSLIM teachers?
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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Teachers have not been banned from praying, but if they do – it must be done out of sight and earshot of students, the newspaper reported.


The pornographication of Christianity continues. Would TPTB say this to MUSLIM teachers?

Sure they would. They'd tell them not to wear Burkas or traditional dress and the Indians to not wear their 'dots'.

Mphhh...

~snert!~

AAAAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!

That was funny!

I kill myself sometimes!

[/sarc]
 

Giskard

Only human
They'd have to fire me. I will pray when and where I wish. What I would likely do is raise my hands and eyes to Heaven then. That'd make their heads spin.
 

PghPanther

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Every time I hear of something like this I always think of this story I read about the revolutionary war.

During that war, General Howe of the British army found out through a scout the location of General Washington and his troops during one interlude between battles.......the scout reported that he happened to come upon Washington while he was alone in a wooded area with his rife at his side........alone and deep in prayer, Washington was asking the Lord for divine guidance and purpose to his mission. Instructed to inform Howe the location of Washington, the scout immediately retried back to camp to inform General Howe. Upon hearing the story from his scout about how deep in prayer Washington was, the General thought a man of such great faith and trust in the Lord could leave little chance for our ablity to hold back the success of this revolution by the colonies.

Our leadership and culture has fallen far from our founding fathers original goal and intent.........
 

mistaken1

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Soon this headline:

TENNESSEE TEACHERS TOLD NOT TO BOW HEADS, PRAY IN PUBLIC



Will be this headline:

Iranian Pastor TENNESSEE TEACHER Faces Execution for Refusing to Recant Christian Faith
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Every time I hear about the ACLU I picture in my mind that movie that spoofed Michael Moore and portrayed ACLU lawyers as a bunch of zombies.

This is an affront to the freedom of religion. People forget that the issue of the separation of church and state is not freedom from exposure to religion or religious acts or symbols ... all it merely says is that there will be no state sponsored/demanded religion as in the US Constitution prevents this country from turning into a theocracy or something like the Church of England.
 

Ender

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The 1st Amendment states: Congress shall make NO LAW......

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say separation of church and state.
 

mt4design

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The 1st Amendment states: Congress shall make NO LAW......

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say separation of church and state.

EXACTLY.

This is a prime example of why people fled England in the first place! Only now, the "religion" is Statism and their alter is socialism.

This is a state run entity prohibiting FREE EXPRESSION and is wholly unconstitutional.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Pardon me but... I am so sick of this shit.

Mike
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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sy, regard the Tenth Amendment on this plz:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 

sy32478

Veteran Member
sy, regard the Tenth Amendment on this plz:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

I don't think you meant it this way, but I think you are supporting my argument.
 

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
actually what is the legality of this given the freedom of religious expression in the US

IMHO, it is an example of the State over-reaching and creating by dictate an illegal work rule. It is unconstitutional and un-AMERICAN on it's face.

Any who is responsible for creating such policy should be fired, sued, the local district sued if it supports the policy, the state sued if it lets the policy stand, and who ever is responsible should be constantly chastised by anyone who cherishes freedom and liberty for the rest of their days on this earth.

Mike
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
IMHO, it is an example of the State over-reaching and creating by dictate an illegal work rule. It is unconstitutional and un-AMERICAN on it's face.

Any who is responsible for creating such policy should be fired, sued, the local district sued if it supports the policy, the state sued if it lets the policy stand, and who ever is responsible should be constantly chastised by anyone who cherishes freedom and liberty for the rest of their days on this earth.

Mike

that's what i thought
 

sy32478

Veteran Member
The 10th means that if the US Constitution prohibits something, the states can't do it either.

Not quite - and that has been the crux of many bruising SCOTUS arguments. I have a lot of mixed feelings on the topic, but look up "Incorporation" WRT the 14th Amendment.

The USC is a primarily about the granting of a small portion of the sovereign powers of the citizens and the states being granted to the fed.gov for the limited purposes listed in the USC. The prohibitions (Bill of Rights) MAINLY prohibitions on Congressional action. It was intended to allow the states to act as sovereigns in most respects to internal affairs (foreign affairs, and issues between states is the fed.gov domain).

The 2nd Amend. is one of those exceptions - there is no limitation on its application just to Congress. "...shall not be infringed" is not limited to any particular actor (Congress, States, municipalities, etc.).
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Correct. The government has successfully used the 14th to ignore the 10th. That should not have happened, but it did. Remember, his holiness is trying to use the 14th to justify requiring all Americans to buy health insurance. If that's not a tortured interpretation of that Amendment, I don't know what is....
 

Kent

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The 2nd Amend. is one of those exceptions - there is no limitation on its application just to Congress. "...shall not be infringed" is not limited to any particular actor (Congress, States, municipalities, etc.).

The 2nd does not say "Congress shall make no law" anywhere either.
 

sssarawolf

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Every time I hear about the ACLU I picture in my mind that movie that spoofed Michael Moore and portrayed ACLU lawyers as a bunch of zombies.

This is an affront to the freedom of religion. People forget that the issue of the separation of church and state is not freedom from exposure to religion or religious acts or symbols ... all it merely says is that there will be no state sponsored/demanded religion as in the US Constitution prevents this country from turning into a theocracy or something like the Church of England.

VERY right.
 

SuElPo

Veteran Member
TENNESSEE TEACHERS TOLD NOT TO BOW HEADS, PRAY IN PUBLIC.

I retired early, but while there, did the same. Raised my hands to heaven, and we had revival.
 

sy32478

Veteran Member
This is a FEDERAL school- it is under the federal government's jurisdiction and so applies.

Did I miss something there? It said the Tennessee School Distrcit and Sumner Country - - Is there more at the original link that indicates otherwise?
 

Ender

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Did I miss something there? It said the Tennessee School Distrcit and Sumner Country - - Is there more at the original link that indicates otherwise?

Are the schools federally funded? Are they under federal laws? Is Tennessee a free state or is she under federal jurisdiction? And what does her own Constitution say about freedom of religion?
 

Moto

Inactive
Originally, the First Amendment applied only to laws enacted by the Congress. However, starting with Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652 (1925), the Supreme Court has held that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies the First Amendment to each state, including any local government. <wiki>

That said, it is a local school that is run by the county, and their overzealous policy is a clear violation of the 2nd.

Also, it's pathetic and sad to see the ACLU on the wrong side...again. If it was an Islamic prayer meeting, which side would they be on I wonder?
 
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