CORONA This Flu Season Was Already Weird. It Is Getting Weirder.

Housecarl

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This Flu Season Was Already Weird. It Is Getting Weirder.

By Rachael Rettner
February 15, 2020


Coronavirus may be in the headlines, but it's still flu season, and a weird one at that — officials are seeing a new spike in flu activity as a second strain of flu hits on the heels of the first.


The 2019-2020 flu season already had an unusual start — in December and early January, the main strain of flu virus circulating was a type called influenza B, Live Science previously reported. Typically, influenza B does not cause as many cases as influenza A strains (H1N1 and H3N2) and tends to show up later in the flu season, not at the beginning. Indeed, the last time influenza B dominated flu activity in the U.S. was during the 1992-1993 flu season, according to the CDC.


But now, influenza A is making a comeback. In recent weeks, there has been a surge in activity of H1N1 in the U.S., according to data from the CDC. And that means even more people are going to the doctor for flu — the percentage of people visiting the doctor for flu-like illness increased from 6.6% of all visits last week to 6.8% of all visits this week, according to the CDC.


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A graph comparing doctors' visits for flu during this season (red line, with arrows) with other recent seasons. An increase in H1N1 activity appears to be causing a second peak in flu season.
CDC


This type of "double-barreled" flu season is unusual, according to Healthline. Although something similar did happen last year, in which an initial wave of H1N1 activity was followed by a wave of H3N2 activity.


This type of "double-barreled" flu season is unusual, according to Healthline. Although something similar did happen last year, in which an initial wave of H1N1 activity was followed by a wave of H3N2 activity.


We may well have, for the second year in a row — unprecedented — a double-barreled influenza season," Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, told WebMD.


So far this season, there have been an estimated 26 million illnesses, 250,000 hospitalizations and 14,000 deaths from flu, according to the CDC.


Although the number of hospitalizations are typical for this time of year, officials are seeing higher-than-typical hospitalization rates among children, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said in a news conference today (Feb. 14).


As officials talk about the potential threat of coronavirus in the U.S., "I want to remind everyone of the very real threat of seasonal influenza," Messonnier said.


And with H1N1 activity increasing, it could mean flu season will drag out longer than usual, according to Healthline.


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Originally published on Live Science.
 

jward

passin' thru
CDC reports 92 pediatric flu deaths, 2 in Kansas
Posted: Fri 8:31 PM, Feb 14, 2020 |

Updated: Fri 10:08 PM, Feb 14, 2020




(KWCH) On Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said 92 children have died across the country due to complications from the flu.


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According to the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, two of those children lived in Kansas.

The news comes as some Kansas schools canceled classes and extended the three-day holiday weekend to do some deep cleaning to combat spreading the flu.

Central Christian School in Hutchinson said it shared parents' concerns over the number of sick students. The school said it was also having a hard time finding substitutes to fill in because they were battling flu-like symptoms too.

School officials made the decision to close Friday and resume classes on Tuesday.

Schools in Columbus, Kan. precautionarily canceled classes Thursday and Friday after a paraprofessional's flu-related death. The district said it regularly uses hospital-grade cleaners and sanitizing bombs to disinfect during flu season. The district encouraged parents to get their children swabbed and tested if they were having flu-like symptoms.

Health officials said a second wave of the flu is hitting the United States.

"We've also seen another peak in the last week or two, most of the cases so far have been Influenza B," said Dr. David Smith with Prairie Star Health Center.

For the 2019-2020 flu season, KDHE reported 18 flu outbreaks in Kansas and 48 deaths.

The CDC said overall hospitalization rates remain similar to this time during recent seasons, but rates among children and young adults are higher right now.

The flu vaccine is the best way to prevent the flu, according to the CDC.

 

jward

passin' thru
heh. Might be right bout that face mask. I recall being wooed with prescriptions written for whatever antibiotic was da doom da jour solution for whatever medical doom we were dodgin' at the time...H1N1??? I dunno. n not nice teasin' us poor widows- dancin' loses lots o' its fun when maintaining the recommended 6' personal space :: pouty sad face n puppy dog eyes ::
 
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marsh

On TB every waking moment
My grand daughter gave me the flu a couple of weeks back. I had a flu and a pneumonia shot this year. This flu hasn't been bad but it lingers on with an intermittent cough. Uncomfortable, coupled with the seasonal allergies of blooming trees with accompanying sneezles. I hope I recover soon.
 

Terrwyn

Veteran Member
I am beyond terrified of getting the flu. I have a Dr's appt. that has to be kept this coming week and my stomach is in a giant knot over it. The 1957 Asian flu almost killed me and did kill my Grandpa. I have never been in that much pain since. SFP if I get it its all over. I don't want to call this a premonition but...
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Yet everyone is running around with their hair on fire over the coronavirus. Talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees.

RR

China is not immune from influenza A&B just because they have an outbreak of corona virus as well. Comorbidity (having more than one thing going on at a time) is a common factor in many of the cases here and abroad.

The US has had 14,000 deaths so far this year, in a population of around 330,000,000. We've had how many deaths in the US attributed to COVID-19?

So when health care workers, who have directly worked with those 14,000 people who have died and the quarter of a million who have been infected and treated in a hospital setting, don't torch their hair and run around the hospital because of a 'what if' scenario in COVID-19... it's because 'aint nobody got time for dat' when they are dealing with the reality of what 'is'... not what 'if'.
 

jward

passin' thru
All I can tell you is that I got the influenza B on Dec. 30th, and haven't been the same since. Sure looking forward to spring...feels a long way off.

I'm sorry to hear that signwatcher... extra attention to nutrition helped me finally bounce back from a physical pounding I took from a series of ailments that featured a flu.
 

jward

passin' thru
I am beyond terrified of getting the flu. I have a Dr's appt. that has to be kept this coming week and my stomach is in a giant knot over it. The 1957 Asian flu almost killed me and did kill my Grandpa. I have never been in that much pain since. SFP if I get it its all over. I don't want to call this a premonition but...

Aww Terrwyn, I hope you'll consider wearing gloves, as well as a mask. You might even phone the office and ask the gals what else is being, or can be done, to protect you. If I cant avoid the office in flu season, I wear one of my oversized suit jackets with pockets for my cards and pens, etc. In addition to no coats or purses going in with me, I make sure to have my own pen, wipes etc... remind us of appt time so we can send a few prayers with you, k? :: huggs! & calmin' teas ::
 

jward

passin' thru
My cousin swears by drinking grape juice to ward off colds and flu. Have you guys ever heard of that?

No. I've heard it helps with gamma t cells (?) formation though, so maybe it affords some strengthening to immunity?
I've also heard it, (if you select the cold pressed variety), added to water and drunk a half hour prior to meals, will help stabalize the blood sgars and prevent the insulin highs :: shruggin :: I never ever want to discount the placebo affects either.
 

intowolves

Veteran Member
No. I've heard it helps with gamma t cells (?) formation though, so maybe it affords some strengthening to immunity?
I've also heard it, (if you select the cold pressed variety), added to water and drunk a half hour prior to meals, will help stabalize the blood sgars and prevent the insulin highs :: shruggin :: I never ever want to discount the placebo affects either.
I just know she isn't one to exagerate, but I think it'd be really cool if something so simple could help stop the flu from making so many people sick. A quick search on bing brings up a mixed bag of results, and snopes discredits it "go figure"... Home remedies intrigue me and I thought asking for feedback on this one wouldnt hurt.
 

Signwatcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm sorry to hear that signwatcher... extra attention to nutrition helped me finally bounce back from a physical pounding I took from a series of ailments that featured a flu.

I do everything I can, jward. Between Chronic Mono (Epstein Barr virus) and being given way too many antibiotics over my younger years, I get most everything going and coming viruswise. Highly frustrating. I've had seasons where I'm continually sick from November through May. It's been a long time since I've had such a bad run.
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TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Prayers said here for the worried/concerned posters here. If a person has their health, it is a huge Blessing. For the enemy comes to kill, steal, and destroy. It is Spiritual Warfare. The enemy of our souls is causing a lot of hijinx and frustration and angst.

This is another one of those days where I can "feel" portals opening/have opened from the underworld, and the enemy getting more of a foothold...many factors contribute to this, including peoples' behavior around me...and intuitive/spiritual perception. So intense prayer is needed...like daily, but especially on days like this. Was there a full moon last night? Evil incantations and rituals are being performed, and unclean spirits are being summoned...Protect yourselves, dear readers with Prayers, Scripture, and calling to Jesus.
 

FaithfulSkeptic

Carrying the mantle of doubt
I caught the one going around in January, and it wasn't too bad for me. Cleared up in less than a week. My wife got it, however, and she felt like crap for a month. And now, another strain? Enough is enough.
 

jward

passin' thru
I want to clarify I do not at all doubt your cousin, intowolves, was merely saying that no, i had never heard of that. : )

JF, I have had something that felt a bit like flu- fever. much mucus. shoulder n muscle pain. gi symptoms.
...n starting sambucol knocked it right down, too.
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
I'm on my 2nd quart of elderberry syrup at the house. Only three out of six in the house take it. 4 out of 6 have taken a flu shot. So far no one has the flu. I usually take a couple tablespoons of syrup everyday during the week and usually forget on weekends.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
GS #1 (10) had flu A over Christmas. GS #2 (7) had flu A AND B last month. Yesterday GD (5) was diagnosed with flu B and Strep!

We live in the same house, DH and I occupy an in-law “apartment “ on one side of the first floor, with a connecting door into the main house.

Ive been trying really hard to keep their bugs over there, but I think they (the bugs) finally got to me last week. Off and on fever, sinus congestion that went into my chest and makes me cough all night. Not fun to cough when you’re only 10 days out from back surgery!

Hope everyone gets over these bugs quickly!
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
My cousin swears by drinking grape juice to ward off colds and flu. Have you guys ever heard of that?

There are a couple of gallons of grape juice in the pantry and an open bottle in the fridge. A plentitude of pineapple juice in the pantry on case of creeping crud, too. Can't hurt, might help - what's the down side?

Go to Diamond V XPC — APL Farms and get a pound of Diamond V livestock feed supplement. Yeast based. Good stuff. Add a bit to your oatmeal every morning. Do not let them distract you with the grandkid pictures - or the goat kid pictures :D

Elderberry, elderberry, elderberry. Syrup that is. Keeps virii from replicating in your body.

Vitamin C. And all that jazz. Prevention is the best cure IMO.

Good luck!
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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My cousin swears by drinking grape juice to ward off colds and flu. Have you guys ever heard of that?

There are a couple of gallons of grape juice in the pantry and an open bottle in the fridge. A plentitude of pineapple juice in the pantry on case of creeping crud, too. Can't hurt, might help - what's the down side?

Go to Diamond V XPC — APL Farms and get a pound of Diamond V livestock feed supplement. Yeast based. Good stuff. Add a bit to your oatmeal every morning. Do not let them distract you with the grandkid pictures - or the goat kid pictures :D

Elderberry, elderberry, elderberry. Syrup that is. Keeps virii from replicating in your body.

Vitamin C. And all that jazz. Prevention is the best cure IMO.

Good luck!
I agree completely! Last month, I gave several bottles of elderberry syrup to a neighbor's family... they had two kids down with a nasty flu (high fever, muscle aches, severe headache, and bad cough). These folks live in crowded conditions... meals have 14 people around the table, and everyone gathers in their one big room in the evenings. I wasn't sure how effective the elderberry was going to be in keeping the flu from going through the whole family, but they wanted to try.

As of now, they've all taken it morning and night, and no one else has become ill. No, it's not "proof"... but they are believers. The mom is already planning on getting the kids to harvest a bunch of wild berries next summer to make their own "flu medicine".

As far as grape juice...

Resveratrol is strongly associated with red grapes and the red wine made from grapes. Wines such as Malbec, Petite Sirah, St. Laurent and Pinot Noir have the highest resveratrol content. Malbec grapes have the thickest skin, and therefore the highest content of resveratrol.

The concentration of resveratrol in any given red wine depends on the region it comes from. Dark red and purple grapes have a higher concentration of the polyphenol. The concentration in wine varies, however, mostly with the wine-making process used, rather than the type of grape that goes into the wine, however. Traditional wine-making techniques produce the highest concentration of resveratrol in the red wine, when compared to carbonic maceration. For full extraction of various plant pigments and antioxidants from the grape skins and seeds, the wine needs to be in contact with them for a long time, till fermentation is complete. The skins floating on the top should be pushed down repeatedly, when the wine is stirred, so that they and the seeds are in increased contact with the wine. Red wine prepared in this way has the highest resveratrol concentration.

Red wines have a resveratrol content (per 5-oz glass) of 0.03-1.07 mg in contrast to the 0.01-0.27 mg for white wines. Red grape juice contains 0.017-1.30 mg per 5 oz. It is a question worthy of debate whether the known heart-healthy actions of a moderate glass of red wine every day are due to the resveratrol or the alcohol content of the wine. This is fuelled by the fact that resveratrol has not been shown so far to increase the lifespan or reduce the mortality in a healthy older population. Yet alcohol has the following independent effects which contribute to reduced atherosclerosis risk and a 20-30% reduction in coronary heart disease:
  • Increases HDL
  • Lowers LDL
  • Reduces blood pressure
  • Prevents blood clot formation
Would grape juice produce the same effects as red wine? Apparently, despite the high resveratrol concentrations in the latter, their results in terms of actual health are comparable.
(I snipped the last couple of paragraphs, because they were just a bunch of warnings about the dangers of alcohol, and not relevant to the discussion here)

Summerthyme
 
(I snipped the last couple of paragraphs, because they were just a bunch of warnings about the dangers of alcohol, and not relevant to the discussion here)
If alcohol intake, as part of a medicinal dosing, is of concern, one could simply leave the liquid out, in a glass, so that the alcohol evaporates from the mixture prior to the intake of the necessary medicinal dose - wines, natural concoctions, etc.


intothegoodnight
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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If alcohol intake, as part of a medicinal dosing, is of concern, one could simply leave the liquid out, in a glass, so that the alcohol evaporates from the mixture prior to the intake of the necessary medicinal dose - wines, natural concoctions, etc.


intothegoodnight
As far as that goes, you can buy resveratrol in supplement form...

Summerthyme
 

tech020

Senior Member
Summerthyme, with your experience with elderberry, what is the "shelf life" of the home version versus the commercial Sambucol? I have some sealed Sambucol from many flu seasons ago that I need to get rid of if they pose a danger of being either spoiled or devoid of any therapeutic value. Interested in your views. I am looking for a reputable source to make my own going forward.
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
At the end of this video, this doctor is stating that Influenza-A, specifically H1N1 is rearing its ugly head again this season, causing some serious illness. He is stating that people should get the flu shot, but I know of two people who have Influenza-A who DID get the flu shot. So who knows what’s going on with this.

 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Summerthyme, with your experience with elderberry, what is the "shelf life" of the home version versus the commercial Sambucol? I have some sealed Sambucol from many flu seasons ago that I need to get rid of if they pose a danger of being either spoiled or devoid of any therapeutic value. Interested in your views. I am looking for a reputable source to make my own going forward.
Honestly, I don't know! What does the ingredient label say? Does it contain at least 5% alcohol? And was it stored at least somewhat cool and in the dark?

If everything is "yes", it's certain to be edible-safe, but I'm not sure how much I'd trust it against a nasty virus... depending how "many" years you mean...

Summerthyme
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
At the end of this video, this doctor is stating that Influenza-A, specifically H1N1 is rearing its ugly head again this season, causing some serious illness. He is stating that people should get the flu shot, but I know of two people who have Influenza-A who DID get the flu shot. So who knows what’s going on with this.

According to the CDC there are close to 200 potential Type A strains out in nature, though we only know of some 120-something identified strains. B strains are another horse entirely. Flu shots protect against a very few specific strains, and less so against a few others that are related, but in the end there is no guarantee of full protection from everything that is floating around. That is why annual vaccinations help over time, because the protection does wain after x-number of years and what you were immunized against 15 years ago may require a 'booster' as it were now.

RR
 

jward

passin' thru
Other charts on this page cite the end of week six as being feb. 8 2020. I assume, but do know, that the same date can be used with this chart. j

Clinical Laboratories

The results of tests performed by clinical laboratories nationwide are summarized below. Data from clinical laboratories (the percentage of specimens tested that are positive for influenza) are used to monitor whether influenza activity is increasing or decreasing.


Week 6Data Cumulative since
September 29, 2019
(week 40)
No. of specimens tested54,982823,555
No. of positive specimens (%)16,934 (30.8%)155,014 (18.8%)
Positive specimens by type
Influenza A 10,067 (59.4%)67,285 (43.4%)
Influenza B 6,867 (40.6%)87,729 (56.6%)


The predominant virus also varies by age group. Nationally, for the season overall, influenza B viruses are the most commonly reported influenza viruses among children and young adults age 0-4 years (56% of reported viruses) and 5-24 years (70% of reported viruses), while A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses are the most commonly reported influenza viruses among persons 25-64 years (55% of reported viruses) and 65 years of age and older (62% of reported viruses). For this season, 51% of influenza positive specimens reported by public health laboratories were among persons less than 25 years of age and less than 13% were from persons age 65 and older.
 

jward

passin' thru
But wait, there's more...

Public Health Laboratories

The results of tests performed by public health laboratories nationwide are summarized below. Data from public health laboratories are used to monitor the proportion of circulating viruses that belong to each influenza subtype/lineage.


Week 6Data Cumulative since
September 29, 2019
(week 40)
No. of specimens tested 1,93651,930
No. of positive specimens1,258 28,040
Positive specimens by type/subtype
Influenza A833 (66.2%)13,822 (49.3%)
(H1N1)pdm09721 (95.5%)12,088 (90.0%)
H3N234 (4.5%)1,349 (10.0%)
Subtyping not performed78 385
Influenza B425 (33.8%)14,218 (50.7%)
Yamagata lineage1 (0.3%)178 (1.6%)
Victoria lineage361 (99.7%)11,080 (98.4%)
Lineage not performed632,960

Nationally, influenza B/Victoria viruses have been reported more frequently than other influenza viruses this season. However, during recent weeks, influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses have been reported more frequently than B/Victoria viruses. The predominant virus varies by region. Regional and state level data about circulating influenza viruses can be found on FluView Interactive.
INFLUENZA Virus Isolated
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Additional virologic surveillance information for current and past seasons:
Surveillance Methods | FluView Interactive: National, Regional, and State Data or Age Data
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thanks, jward. At least the numbers are coming down. Now if we can keep them coming down . . . .
 

Uhhmmm...

Veteran Member
So far this season, there have been an estimated 26 million illnesses, 250,000 hospitalizations and 14,000 deaths from flu, according to the CDC.

Not good. I know its kind of an apples to pears comparison because we know so little regarding corona virus, but the new corona virus appears to be roughly 5 times deadlier than the the current gen of the flu in the USA.

Note: I am guessing that the total number of corona virus known cases is equivalent to the number of flue cases admitted for hospitalization. I know... remember, I said apples to pears? Draw your own comparisons, but but we have to start guessing somewhere. No official is going to give us their educated guess for fear of starting a panic. We do not know enough about corona to estimate unreported cases. So, I am using the next best stat.
 
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Signwatcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
GS #1 (10) had flu A over Christmas. GS #2 (7) had flu A AND B last month. Yesterday GD (5) was diagnosed with flu B and Strep!

We live in the same house, DH and I occupy an in-law “apartment “ on one side of the first floor, with a connecting door into the main house.

Ive been trying really hard to keep their bugs over there, but I think they (the bugs) finally got to me last week. Off and on fever, sinus congestion that went into my chest and makes me cough all night. Not fun to cough when you’re only 10 days out from back surgery!

Hope everyone gets over these bugs quickly!

Sorry you are having to deal with a bug so soon after surgery. That's not fun at all. My kids and grandkids now live with me and with my crapped out immune system, I'm getting every bug coming through the germ factory (elementary school). Haven't had such a rough year since I babysat (17 kids over the years). All the Moms were nurses except one. I'd get the bugs when they came in to town and when they mutated as well. DH used to ask me if the money I brought in was worth it. A lot of it went to the doctor. This was before I got educated on natural remedies and such.

Youngest grandkid just brought home a new one. Yippee. He shared it with me. Can't catch a break this year...it's one right after another.

Have to call the dentist and cancel my appointment...I don't like to share bugs.
 
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jward

passin' thru
week seven flu stats...if you scroll down, there are links to each state, and whatever info that they provide. KS, for instance, shows the last five or ten years. This may prove useful to those trying to get a sense of a baseline for those ili (influenza like illnesses) in a given area.

U.S. Virologic Surveillance
Clinical Laboratories

The results of tests performed by clinical laboratories nationwide are summarized below. Data from clinical laboratories (the percentage of specimens tested that are positive for influenza) are used to monitor whether influenza activity is increasing or decreasing.



Week 7Data Cumulative since
September 29, 2019
(week 40)
No. of specimens tested49,510888,399
No. of positive specimens (%)14,657 (29.6%)174,037 (19.6%)
Positive specimens by type
Influenza A 9,305 (63.5%)79,269 (45.5%)
Influenza B 5,352 (36.5%)94,768 (54.5%)
INFLUENZA Virus Isolated
View Chart Data | View Full Screen Public Health Laboratories

The results of tests performed by public health laboratories nationwide are summarized below. Data from public health laboratories are used to monitor the proportion of circulating viruses that belong to each influenza subtype/lineage.



Week 7Data Cumulative since
September 29, 2019
(week 40)
No. of specimens tested 1,62657,630
No. of positive specimens981 31,638
Positive specimens by type/subtype
Influenza A637 (64.9%)16,160 (51.1%)
(H1N1)pdm09531 (96.0%)14,320 (90.9%)
H3N222 (4.0%)1,427 (9.1%)
Subtyping not performed84 413
Influenza B344 (35.1%)15,478 (48.9%)
Yamagata lineage3 (1.6%)191 (1.6%)
Victoria lineage180 (98.4%)11,796 (98.4%)
Lineage not performed1613,491

 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
...and two more people in my house have now been dx’d with influenza B! I’ve still got the congestion/cough, but no fever in a week, so I guess I haven’t caught the flu. Yet.

Oh, get this...my SIL left Thursday for a 4-day business-related CRUISE out of Jacksonville. My daughter is one of the two in my house just dx’d with influenza B yesterday. So, potentially another floating Petri dish in a couple days, only with flu this time.

Signwatcher, I hope you and your household are doing better.
 
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