CORONA Trump on TV at 6 PM ET tonight re Coronavirus

[bassgirl]

I went and watched it real quick. I didn't get that he was lying.

Gave me the impression they are really going to try to put out fires as they occur. “Mitigate”

The plan is mitigation. Thats what I got out of the whole thing. Hopefully it wont get away from them. And it may not, Sing a pour is doing ok with it. One wrong turn tho, and the herd will spook.

I think they know what is coming, they are just not sure if they can keep it small and under control. They hope to, they have plans to those ends. They seem confident that it will work..

He mentioned the money and then mentioned some of it was going towards preparing quarantine areas. Sounds like they expect they may need them at some point.

It was bad for China, we got a head start and have watched what isnt working, and what is. Will try hard to keep it slow and low, hopefully will work.

He is a business man, not a medical person. In this area he is leaning heavily on what others are telling him.

Dunno we shall see. Which is exactly what they are doing, waiting and watching. See which way it goes.

 

[bassgirl]

Also we have to be careful and listen real close when they say things, he did say 15 cases, but he was referring to 15 cases that do not fit the other categories. He is aware there are more but only 15 in the criteria he was talking about.

 

[NCGirl]

I think he was extremely jet lagged. He even repeated over and over again that it was a long trip. If you have ever flew from one side of the world to the other and had to do something at the other end you know that you are at aseruous deficit. Your brain doesn't think clearly and personally I can't explain it better but I always hum and vibrate when I have jet lag... Even if I had a lie flat bed, not a worry in the world and I slept part the way.... jet lag can be a real bitch.

My guess is he had little sleep as he was getting up to date in the coronavirus in his way home. IMHO he should have postponed the press conference until tomorrow morning when he was a bit clear headed.

 

[garnetgirl]

I think there are a lot more preparations going on behind the scenes than we realize. A friend of mine who works in the small rural health department in my town told me yesterday that they had been attending pandemic preparation meetings and getting information for the last two weeks. Yesterday, they were all fitted for respirators. I was very encouraged to hear this.

garnetgirl

 

[WalknTrot]

I think there are a lot more preparations going on behind the scenes than we realize. A friend of mine who works in the small rural health department in my town told me yesterday that they had been attending pandemic preparation meetings and getting information for the last two weeks. Yesterday, they were all fitted for respirators. I was very encouraged to hear this.

garnetgirl

As I've mentioned before...pandemic protocols were hashed out 10 years ago for H1N1. Most all that needs to be done is pull the 3-ring binder down...(ours had a rather dark-humored Far-Side comic printed on the front) dust it off, update names, sources and phone numbers. Because our dept. worked under both state and federal jurisdiction, we had to document and upon inspection show that we did the updates annually. My understanding is that any accredited hospital/clinic, public utility, local gov't, public services/education, etc. did the same. I think most institutions really are as prepared as they can be at this early point. At least, responsible ones.

 

[Chance]

CDC is full of never Trumpers. They aren't telling us the truth and they aren't telling our president the truth. I have plenty of reason to not trust the CDC. (And forget about WHO...that epidemiologist who is head of the 3 man China team is so PC he reeks! Lying sack of sh*t!)

Not good that President Trump said the president of China shouldn't tell his people what's going on..to avoid panic. That is probably what he thinks for us.


Read that Dr. Messonnier of the CDC is Rod Rosenstein' sister. ?If true, she probably hates Trump.

 

[poppy]

Why are so many criticizing Trump? I thought he was very straightforward. I guess some wanted him to say "Get your affairs in order because we're all gonna die" and then set his orange hair on fire and run off the stage. Hasn't everyone learned by now that the press hypes everything for ratings? How many people would you guess got up this morning and first thing they did was turn on tv and get the latest on this virus? Most of the media is also glad to blame Trump for something that originated in China. What do they expect Trump or anyone else to do? These viruses pop up from time to time. People need to get real. Take the same precautions you do in cold and flu season. That is all you can do. Trump cannot wave a magic wand and make it go away. We have many people in this country today analyzing this virus, working on finding a vaccine, securing emergency supplies in case it gets worse, tracking the infection, and other things while us computer rangers spout our views about something we really don't know shit about.

 

[poppy]

And another thing. Why are people surprised so many are dying from this disease in places like China and Iran where government tightly controls and runs everything, including national healthcare? It is only logical because we know government healthcare sucks. The 2-3% death rate means nothing because the vast majority of deaths have occurred in those countries. We only have a few cases and so far our death rate is zero. This ain't Ebola folks and it is stupid to compare the 2.

 

[joannita]

Personally, I thought he looked very grim.

 

[Kathy in FL]

The R0 of this thing is a less worse than the seasonal flu here in the states. The R0 in places like China and India are much higher for seasonal flu.

If people don't freak out about things like measles (quadruple the R0 of this coronavirus with a much higher CFR) I'm just not getting the freaking hair on fire antics of some.

And just what good would it have done to have Trump come out and act like there is panic in the air? Yeah, that would instill confidence and create a constructive atmosphere … not.

Stop trying to control the narrative because it aligns with your mad max fantasies. As others have mentioned, pandemic planning is a decade old and must be reviewed and updated at least yearly to keep your accreditation … this is true of all medical facilities and residential mental health facilities. This is also true of prisons, etc. It isn't publicized but I know for a fact people can and do get fired for not following through on this.

 

[NCGirl]

And another thing. Why are people surprised so many are dying from this disease in places like China and Iran where government tightly controls and runs everything, including national healthcare? It is only logical because we know government healthcare sucks. The 2-3% death rate means nothing because the vast majority of deaths have occurred in those countries. We only have a few cases and so far our death rate is zero. This ain't Ebola folks and it is stupid to compare the 2.

The health care in Iran. yep sucks. China not so much. Rest assured our healthcare will not be much better once all the ICU beds are taken.

It's not Ebola. Ebola was actually quite hard to catch.
It's not the Flu. Flue does not have a death rate approaching what this does. We don't know the real death rate of this yet but even if it is 2-3% thats really high with the way this thing spreads.

The big deal IMHO is what is happening with the JIT supply chain. Most of us won't die from the WuFlu but all of us will be touched by the economic disruption.

 

[colonel holman]

He pretty much has no choice but delegate, heavily. He does not hide the fact he has low expertise on this, but has many around him who do, from the VP re organizational mgt, to the medical eggheads aat CDC and NIH. The cutting edge hardcore top level experts, even though many may be anti-trumpers, suddenly find themselves in the critical professional roles for which they have devoted their professional lives. They are surely quite horny over being turned loose on this threat. They are ready to get after it, politics aside. They feel empowered by unlimited budget and confidence from the political leaders. PDJT was exhausted from his trip, but he is used to such a work pace. I especially liked how he did well to put political BS aside and called out those who seek it to be an anti-Trump issue. He made them look a bit more pathetic. He did not promise to keep the epidemic in check, only that we have plans and efforts and protocols and top experts on it. He was presidential and grownup. Flame me if you must, but that was my impression

 

[Kathy in FL]

The health care in Iran. yep sucks. China not so much. Rest assured our healthcare will not be much better once all the ICU beds are taken.

It's not Ebola. Ebola was actually quite hard to catch.
It's not the Flu. Flue does not have a death rate approaching what this does. We don't know the real death rate of this yet but even if it is 2-3% thats really high with the way this thing spreads.

The big deal IMHO is what is happening with the JIT supply chain. Most of us won't die from the WuFlu but all of us will be touched by the economic disruption.

The R0 in China is a direct result of their living conditions.

I still say that while the WuFlu should be taken seriously, it isn't a pandemic flu that attacks normally young and healthy people. It is more like seasonal flu which is still currently much worse than the WuFlu but people aren't running around nekked with their hair on fire about it.

This flu season Influenza has sickened at least 13 million here in the States. Of those 13 million, 120,000 were hospitalized and 6,600 died, according to the CDC. In a bad year influenza kills in excess of 60,000 people. A lot of researchers say even that number is low because on death certificates influenza generally isn't the COD but comorbidities such as "complication of diabetes" or something along those lines.

Worldwide the numbers are even crazier. The flu causes around 5 million cases of severe illness and kills over 600,000 people every year. Bad flu seasons can see that number double.

People really need to keep things in perspective. If you don't freak over the flu, then don't freak over this. If you don't believe in vaxxing for measles, then stop clamoring that a vax for the WuFlu needs to be developed like now. If you don't expect Trump to go on TV and say that you're going to get thrown in jail for not getting the influenza vax, then don't expect to see him acting like we are all gonna die over this wuflu.

 

[The Hammer]

I trust the media and Dems so little on something like this, that I half expect them to completely make up cases to make it look worse than it is.

As it is, you know they are rooting for the virus to go out of control.

 

[NCGirl]

The R0 in China is a direct result of their living conditions.

I still say that while the WuFlu should be taken seriously, it isn't a pandemic flu that attacks normally young and healthy people. It is more like seasonal flu which is still currently much worse than the WuFlu but people aren't running around nekked with their hair on fire about it.

This flu season Influenza has sickened at least 13 million here in the States. Of those 13 million, 120,000 were hospitalized and 6,600 died, according to the CDC. In a bad year influenza kills in excess of 60,000 people. A lot of researchers say even that number is low because on death certificates influenza generally isn't the COD but comorbidities such as "complication of diabetes" or something along those lines.

Worldwide the numbers are even crazier. The flu causes around 5 million cases of severe illness and kills over 600,000 people every year. Bad flu seasons can see that number double.

People really need to keep things in perspective. If you don't freak over the flu, then don't freak over this. If you don't believe in vaxxing for measles, then stop clamoring that a vax for the WuFlu needs to be developed like now. If you don't expect Trump to go on TV and say that you're going to get thrown in jail for not getting the influenza vax, then don't expect to see him acting like we are all gonna die over this wuflu.

Flu is worse. Got it.

The RO is a direct result of China's living conditions? Think It will be so different here? We won't have the ability to close down cities like they did. We have people living in the street. We have people from all over the world living here, bringing their cultures with them. We are not so much better off than other places as we might like we think we are...

As I said, I don't think we are all going to die, or even get sick, from the WuFlu but I can pretty much assure you that your life will be affected by it even if you can't imagine that now.. Mine life has already been altered in many ways but then I am much more closely connected to China than most. Husband is worried because his company is at a standstill and he is worried about his upcoming yearly bonus and also personally worried about the 2 employees in Hubei provence who have STILL not been heard from in almost a week now. Perhaps this will all just fizzle out. But if it doesn't don't be fooled into thinking we are going to be immune because we are 1st world.

 

[Dozdoats]

Ever see a cowboy movie where the herd starts to stampede, and the cowboys rush out in front to turn the herd leaders back into the herd in a circle to control the stampede?

That was the press conference IMO.

 

[NCGirl]

Ever see a cowboy movie where the herd starts to stampede, and the cowboys rush out in front to turn the herd leaders back into the herd in a circle to control the stampede?

That was the press conference IMO.

Or a couple of very skilled Border Collies working sheep....

 

[TheSearcher]

Flu is worse. Got it.

The RO is a direct result of China's living conditions? Think It will be so different here? We won't have the ability to close down cities like they did. We have people living in the street. We have people from all over the world living here, bringing their cultures with them. We are not so much better off than other places as we might like we think we are...

As I said, I don't think we are all going to die, or even get sick, from the WuFlu but I can pretty much assure you that your life will be affected by it even if you can't imagine that now.. Mine life has already been altered in many ways but then I am much more closely connected to China than most. Husband is worried because his company is at a standstill and he is worried about his upcoming yearly bonus and also personally worried about the 2 employees in Hubei provence who have STILL not been heard from in almost a week now. Perhaps this will all just fizzle out. But if it doesn't don't be fooled into thinking we are going to be immune because we are 1st world.

I don't think anyone here is proposing that we'll be immune, and I specifically think that folks are worried more about the disruption of the world economy. Closely behind the economic fear is a suspicion that TPTB might see this as a window for tyranny "for our own good". Also along with that is the possibility that our geopolitical foes might take any substantial weakness to represent an opportunity to advance on us.

 

[Dozdoats]

Never let a crisis go to waste.

 

[Hfcomms]

The R0 in China is a direct result of their living conditions.

I still say that while the WuFlu should be taken seriously, it isn't a pandemic flu that attacks normally young and healthy people. It is more like seasonal flu which is still currently much worse than the WuFlu but people aren't running around nekked with their hair on fire about it.

This flu season Influenza has sickened at least 13 million here in the States. Of those 13 million, 120,000 were hospitalized and 6,600 died, according to the CDC. In a bad year influenza kills in excess of 60,000 people. A lot of researchers say even that number is low because on death certificates influenza generally isn't the COD but comorbidities such as "complication of diabetes" or something along those lines.

Worldwide the numbers are even crazier. The flu causes around 5 million cases of severe illness and kills over 600,000 people every year. Bad flu seasons can see that number double.

People really need to keep things in perspective. If you don't freak over the flu, then don't freak over this. If you don't believe in vaxxing for measles, then stop clamoring that a vax for the WuFlu needs to be developed like now. If you don't expect Trump to go on TV and say that you're going to get thrown in jail for not getting the influenza vax, then don't expect to see him acting like we are all gonna die over this wuflu.

Are you trying to convince us or yourself? There are so many differences between this and the common flu it’s not worth trying to educate you about it. Numbers in China is under reported by a factor of ten or more. It won’t be nearly that bad here medically due to proper sanitation in most areas of the country and if most of us practice good PPE as well as proper nutrition and supplements your outlook is better yet.

However, the collapse in global supply chains are real and will effect each and every one of us at a time of an epic stock and bond market bubble going into a credit crunch. Even if we never get sick we are going into a time of scarcity with the societal ramifications that go along with it.

 

[Kathy in FL]

Flu is worse. Got it.

The RO is a direct result of China's living conditions? Think It will be so different here? We won't have the ability to close down cities like they did. We have people living in the street. We have people from all over the world living here, bringing their cultures with them. We are not so much better off than other places as we might like we think we are...

As I said, I don't think we are all going to die, or even get sick, from the WuFlu but I can pretty much assure you that your life will be affected by it even if you can't imagine that now.. Mine life has already been altered in many ways but then I am much more closely connected to China than most. Husband is worried because his company is at a standstill and he is worried about his upcoming yearly bonus and also personally worried about the 2 employees in Hubei provence who have STILL not been heard from in almost a week now. Perhaps this will all just fizzle out. But if it doesn't don't be fooled into thinking we are going to be immune because we are 1st world.

Life is already being affected but it chaps me the way some people are acting. This is a repeat of the Bird Flu stuff from 10 years ago. You'd figure people would have longer memories.

I am more concerned about people's overreaction being weaponized enough to turn people into idiots … economically and politically. Mitt Romney is one example but then again he didn't exactly start out real high on the intelligence scale.

This kind of stuff is what we are supposed to be prepping for. Not Mad "the end of the world" Max but every day disasters. I'm amazed at how many that claim to be prepped for anything are living in the John over this because it is giving them the runs.

 

[NCGirl]

Life is already being affected but it chaps me the way some people are acting. This is a repeat of the Bird Flu stuff from 10 years ago. You'd figure people would have longer memories.

I am more concerned about people's overreaction being weaponized enough to turn people into idiots … economically and politically. Mitt Romney is one example but then again he didn't exactly start out real high on the intelligence scale.

This kind of stuff is what we are supposed to be prepping for. Not Mad "the end of the world" Max but every day disasters. I'm amazed at how many that claim to be prepped for anything are living in the John over this because it is giving them the runs.

This is NOT a repeat of the bird flu. I understand that it might look like that but look at the reactions from the various countries. It's different. At least that's my opinion. Hope I am wrong.

Yes, no need to panic really it won't help a bit and could certainly hurt. It would probably be a bad idea to go out and run up your credit cards up to buy stuff but filling in any holes in your stuff if you have the cash might be a good thing. Panic is bad but thoughtful preparation is good.

 

[Kathy in FL]

Are you trying to convince us or yourself? There are so many differences between this and the common flu it’s not worth trying to educate you about it. Numbers in China is under reported by a factor of ten or more. It won’t be nearly that bad here medically due to proper sanitation in most areas of the country and if most of us practice good PPE as well as proper nutrition and supplements your outlook is better yet.

However, the collapse in global supply chains are real and will effect each and every one of us at a time of an epic stock and bond market bubble going into a credit crunch. Even if we never get sick we are going into a time of scarcity with the societal ramifications that go along with it.

Why should I waste time trying to convince people of something when they are determined to run head first into the brick wall?

I see a whole lot of assumptions, just like back during the Bird Flu days. The only thing of significance that came out of that decade-old stuff is that pandemic plans were no longer suggested but were required to maintain accreditation. Not just medical facilities but financial organizations as well. Continuity plans were sharpened, some assumptions cut out, and realistic understanding of how the system could break and how to prevent the worst of it … as well as the understanding that some of the bad couldn't be avoided regardless of the preps in place.

As for collapse of global supply chains … that was always going to happen at some point over something. Again, that's what people should prep for. Two is one and one is none. People who have chosen to ignore that truism in favor of "it can't happen to me" or "I have time" then it sucks to be them. People who haven't been working on a way to deal with their personal health issues will just have to live (or not) with their choices. I've ridden my parents like a wailing banshee for years now … some times it works, sometimes it doesn't. But I've done my duty and have come to the conclusion that as adults I'm just going to have to live with the choices they've made. And so will they.

But this orgasmic EOTWAWKI fantasy some people are exhibiting is getting silly now that more and more real world figures are available. We've known for decades the danger of having all our eggs in one basket, especially when the basket is really a basket case like China. If you know a danger and refuse to address it until an emergency is at hand you lose your right to emote. It is stupid and you lose credibility.

 

[Kathy in FL]

This is NOT a repeat of the bird flu. I understand that it might look like that but look at the reactions from the various countries. It's different. At least that's my opinion. Hope I am wrong.

Yes, no need to panic really it won't help a bit and could certainly hurt. It would probably be a bad idea to go out and run up your credit cards up to buy stuff but filling in any holes in your stuff if you have the cash might be a good thing. Panic is bad but thoughtful preparation is good.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. The numbers aren't the same type of numbers (R0 and CFR) but the emoting and gnashing of teeth over the potential very much is the same. And now the media is taking up the wailing of "woe be to us." It is simply absurd. Right when people should know that panic is the real enemy, they are supremely pissed off because their adrenaline organ isn't being stroked enough by those in power. Geez.

 

[NCGirl]

Sorry if I wasn't clear. The numbers aren't the same type of numbers (R0 and CFR) but the emoting and gnashing of teeth over the potential very much is the same. And now the media is taking up the wailing of "woe be to us." It is simply absurd. Right when people should know that panic is the real enemy, they are supremely pissed off because their adrenaline organ isn't being stroked enough by those in power. Geez.

I wasn't here at TB2K or even living in the USA at the time and I was barely aware of the BirdFlu to be honest so can't really say I remember how people reacted. Perhaps with my husband heading up the WuFlu response for his company (they have dozens of factories in China) is putting too much info in front of me, much I can't share here. Hearing him worry day after day about his two inspectors that have disappeared is unsettling. These are real people not just numbers, at least to him... Seeing country after country respond in drastic ways is scary. But I am not going to panic. What's the point? I am prepared as best as can be so now just watch and wait.

 

[Kathy in FL]

The fact of the matter is that we already have community spread here in the US if that one case in California is any indication. No telling how many cases - from asymptomatic to misdiagnosed - are out there. I don't see it stopping traffic. I do see it sending a tingle up the leg of a lot of media types looking for the next big story but I try and ignore idiots like that. I see it being used by politically-motivated enemies to compromise the next election … why waste a crisis after all when it can get you the attention you seek.

We aren't talking newbs here at TB2K. Some have been around since the turn of the century when it was called something else … that is 20 years ago. People should already be prepped and prepared for supply line disruptions and the like. It shouldn't be pushing their buttons or sending them on big grocery runs.

Look, I get the attraction of the adrenaline rush. I write fiction to bleed that off as well as it being a stress-reducer for other reasons. But I don't let fiction interfere with reality. Doing that's a recipe for disaster. The issue of supply disruptions should be address before there is a disruption. If you've waited, you've compromised other areas of your disaster plans, particularly in the financial arena.

 

[David Nettleton]

Wow!!! Rush is really blasting you Trump naysayers on his news conference yesterday. According to Rush, Trump no sooner finished his news conference trying to reassure people his administration is out in front of this that two California papers and The Washington Post released a story of a "possible" no known contact recipient in northern Ca. Come to find out the specific place in northern Ca. is Travis AF base where American travelers possibly exposed to covid-19 are quarantined. The same people in the media and congress have picked up the torch and ridiculed the President and his response to the outbreak. These dems are politicizing the whole damn thing. It's the same bunch that brought EVERY charge against Trump that was proven to be a lie. Some people here have gone so far as to say this has cost Trump his second term. Come on people, do you want Nancy, Chuck, or any of the democrat candidates handling this for you? Could it be that some of you are over reacting to a future you have no idea what may be?

 

[Hawkgirl_70]

David Nettleton -
"Possible patient in California."
That person's been tested and confirmed to have it.

 

[Warm Wisconsin]

Exactly my point earlier - Because some are playing politics is the true sign that there is no real threat. This is deep state playing us. Trump is playing 5-D chess and is way ahead of the virus. He has top-secret reports that we cant see. Everything is fine.

Again - The only reason you are concerned is the age of this forum, and its not a real threat.

You don't think you are smarter than the president do you?

Could you imagine if Hillary won - We would have all been dead weeks ago

Wow!!! Rush is really blasting you Trump naysayers on his news conference yesterday. According to Rush, Trump no sooner finished his news conference trying to reassure people his administration is out in front of this that two California papers and The Washington Post released a story of a "possible" no known contact recipient in northern Ca. Come to find out the specific place in northern Ca. is Travis AF base where American travelers possibly exposed to covid-19 are quarantined. The same people in the media and congress have picked up the torch and ridiculed the President and his response to the outbreak. These dems are politicizing the whole damn thing. It's the same bunch that brought EVERY charge against Trump that was proven to be a lie. Some people here have gone so far as to say this has cost Trump his second term. Come on people, do you want Nancy, Chuck, or any of the democrat candidates handling this for you? Could it be that some of you are over reacting to a future you have no idea what may be?

 

[Old Gray Mare]

Come on people, do you want Nancy, Chuck, or any of the democrat candidates handling this for you? Could it be that some of you are over reacting to a future you have no idea what may be?

Those people give me heartburn. I try not to watch or listen to them but sometimes it's like a car wreck. You know there is nothing you can do to stop it but you just can't turn away.

I watched President Trump. He did some things that need contemplating. First he's got to be tired. He's been living on airplanes trying to mitigate some of the economic fallout from this disease. So we can't get stuff from China? India's ready willing and able to help. He just got back from strengthening US relations there.

He's delegating this really nasty task to VP Pence. That's telling. He trusts our VP to come thru on this while he doubles down on keeping the economy afloat. Neither task is going to be easy. Unless the President dies in office you never hear of most VPs, few people can even name them. If Pence does a decent job he may be set up to take on the Dems after President Trump leaves office.

It looks like President Trump is doing his best to negotiate calm and project confidence while still trying to stay in front of the curve on this. He's had people working on this for a while now. Ok he didn't tell the complete unvarnished truth. I get that. Sheeple probably couldn't handle it and he knows it. The cat is on the roof. He is putting the country on notice that this is serious and he's taking it seriously.

He's also starting to give even the sheeple the tools needed to survive this. Will they go to the web site suggested? Probably not. Will they take the advice of the President's experts and act on it? Probably not. But it's out there. The President can't do their adulting for them.

 

[David Nettleton]

David Nettleton -
"Possible patient in California."
That person's been tested and confirmed to have it.

David Nettleton -
"Possible patient in California."
That person's been tested and confirmed to have it.

Just read the latest articles, Hawkgirl. The CDC can not confirm if 'her' case is an example of "community spread."

 

[rlm1966]

Life is already being affected but it chaps me the way some people are acting. This is a repeat of the Bird Flu stuff from 10 years ago. You'd figure people would have longer memories.

I am more concerned about people's overreaction being weaponized enough to turn people into idiots … economically and politically. Mitt Romney is one example but then again he didn't exactly start out real high on the intelligence scale.

This kind of stuff is what we are supposed to be prepping for. Not Mad "the end of the world" Max but every day disasters. I'm amazed at how many that claim to be prepped for anything are living in the John over this because it is giving them the runs.

Really. Like the bird flu. Tell me, how many cities did China shut down for that. Don't recall over several hundred million people being in some sort of lock down, but maybe I was asleep that day

To compare this to the flu is pure fantasy/stupidity and right now is the time for neither. Sometimes one needs to look at actual events and use logic and not parrot the idiot box.

 

[Kathy in FL]

Really. Like the bird flu. Tell me, how many cities did China shut down for that. Don't recall over several hundred million people being in some sort of lock down, but maybe I was asleep that day

To compare this to the flu is pure fantasy/stupidity and right now is the time for neither. Sometimes one needs to look at actual events and use logic and not parrot the idiot box.

As I explained above it isn't the R0 or CFR so much as people's general "why wait, panic now" attitudes. And oh yes, the idiot media's addition to the ongoing ruckus. Add to that the "never waste a good crisis" strategy being used in politics.

We more than likely have had "in the wild" cases of this coronavirus here in the States already based on the case just confirmed in California and it hasn't shut the country down. I'm waiting for people to start "heading for the bunkers" and actually shutting down like they have been saying they will. Instead of crickets as people vacate, there's just more noise and personal red lines are moving.

This is going to be like a bad flu season. Yes, people are going to die just like they do every year from normal flu. Mostly those with comorbidities is my guess based on this things current behavior. This isn't even acting like a pandemic flu strain where normally young and healthy people are disproportionately affected.

As far as supply lines, etc. They've already started loosening some of the restraints in China allowing people to go back to work. It will be interesting to see if this thing has "waves" similar to other pandemics. There's no indication of that yet however.

 

[Meemur]

My take: the local and fed powers-that-be all have their own agendas.

I'm operating under the assumption that this virus is weaponized, no successful vaccine will be offered in the near future, and that I'm on my own as far as keeping my household safe. History has shown that neither the local nor fed gov't is my friend.

My decisions will be made from boots-on-the-ground info, not the TV or Internet. I fully expect to have to shelter in place at some point, but that's not cast in stone.

 

[naturallysweet]

We don't know what the R0 is in America, because we haven't been testing for community spread
all it takes is one person in a mega church, someone in the subway, a homeless person in a camp, or a student in a dorm who attends every class sick for a couple days.

the idea that we are super clean in America but those in Korea and Italy are dirty, that's hilarious

 

[Old Gray Mare]

As far as supply lines, etc. They've already started loosening some of the restraints in China allowing people to go back to work. It will be interesting to see if this thing has "waves" similar to other pandemics. There's no indication of that yet however.

Considering the long and varied incubation period and asymptomatic carriers it may be harder to discern one wave from another except by the DNA testing of the mutation in circulation?

 

[Troke]

Everybody is worried about the pandemic as they should. Me? I am worried about its becoming endemic so we have to put up with continually until a practical vaccine. Because there seems to be some indication of little or no immunity from having had the disease.

 

[Dozdoats]

You don't think you are smarter than the president do you?

Well, I can say at this point that I do not have the CIA and the rest of the so-called Intelligence Community lying to me.

One of my no longer active duty .mil friends often asks me "What does Trump know that you don't?" And I always reply "What do I know that he doesn't?"

 

[Satanta]

I've been pretty sure the virus was Weaponzied withing hours of jearing about it. Chinese been eating Bats and Elephant Dung for years but the fact the Lab is just a sneeze or two away from the "Ground Zero" and the speed of the spread is a bit Suspect for it to be from eating Monely Asshole Fondu.

As far as Trade and them loosening things up? The Chinses people are refusing to go to work and, even if they do, how do you suppose you would know if someone there sneezed into a box or fifty of crap being shipped here?

I think the Chinses might be intentionally spreading it-they just busted an Illegal of Chinese origin in Texas coming here in the back of a truck. Not like they do not have the population mass to outlive it versus us or Britain or anywhere else but perhaps India.

 

[David Nettleton]

Countries medias that are denigrating government leaders for poor response to coronavirus.: United Kingdom = NO
France = NO
Iran = NO
Italy = NO
Australia = NO
Japan = NO
So. Korea = NO
United States = YES