[USA] Moore's film devastates troop morale (intended)

[lars]

http://www.nationalcenter.org/PRIraqFahrenheit911704.html


Fahrenheit 9/11 is Having "Devastating" Impact on Military Morale, Says Soldier Deployed Overseas



Soldier Says "Young and Impressionable" Soldiers Just Returned from Iraq Deployments Are "Being Made to Feel Ashamed" of Their Service



The National Center for Public Policy Research has posted online an e-mail received from a soldier, Spc. Joe Roche of the 1st Armored Division, who says Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11 is "making the rounds" among soldiers at U.S. military bases overseas and is "shocking and crushing soldiers, making them feel ashamed" of their service in Iraq. The letter has been published online by The National Center without abridgment. The full text can be found <a href="http://www.nationalcenter.org/2004/07/fahrenheit-911-and-its-impact-on.html">here</a>. Some excerpts:

<i>"Michael Moore's film, Fahrenheit 9/11, is making the rounds here at U.S. bases in Kuwait. Some soldiers have received it already and are passing is around. The impact is devastating. Here we are, soldiers of the 1st Armored Division, just days from finally returning home after over a year serving in Iraq, and Moore's film is shocking and crushing soldiers, making them feel ashamed. Moore has abused the First Amendment and is hurting us worse than the enemy has. There are the young and impressionable soldiers, like those who joined the Army right out of high school. They aren't familiar w/ the college-type political debate environment, and they haven't been schooled in the full range of issues involved. They are vulnerable to being hurt by a vicious film like Moore's."

"Specialist Janecek, who is feeling depressed because a close family member is nearing the end of her life, just saw the film today. I saw him in the DFAC. He is devastated. 'I feel shitty, ashamed, like this was all a lie.' Not only is he looking at going straight to a funeral when he returns home, but now whatever pride he felt for serving here has been crushed by Moore's film. Specialist Everett earlier after seeing the film: 'You'll be mad at shit for ever having come here.' And there are others. Mostly the comments are absolute shock at the close connections Moore makes between the Bush family and the Bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia. 'Bush looks really really REALLY corrupt in this film. I just don't know what to think anymore,' is a common comment to hear. Some of these soldiers are darn right ashamed tonight to be American soldiers, to have been apart of this whole mission in Iraq, and are angry over all that Moore has presented in his film."

"Right now, just days away from what should be a proud and happy return from 15 months of duty in Operation Iraqi Freedom, your U.S. soldiers are coming back ashamed and hurt because of Moore's work."

"I sometimes want to be mad at my fellow soldiers for being susceptible to Moore's distortions, but I can't really blame them. These are good Americans, who have volunteered to serve our country. Nothing says they all have to be experts in Middle Eastern issues and history and politics to serve. That would be silly. ...But this is, of course, the vulnerability that Moore has exploited."

"I wonder how damaging and shocking a Moore project would have been in the 1940s making such a video of Franklin Roosevelt.</i>"

Spc. Joe Roche serves with the 16th Engineering Battalion of the 1st Armored Division. He and his unit were deployed in Iraq for 15 months. An archive of his e-mails can be accessed at www.nationalcenter.org/RochePage.html online.

The National Center for Public Policy Research is a non-partisan, conservative/free-market think-tank established in 1982 and located on Capitol Hill. It can be visited at http://www.nationalcenter.org online.

 

[Fartacus]

Moore's film doesn't criticize the troops. It cricizes Bush, his administation, and his policies.

If anything should demoralize the troops, it's how they've been played by the Bush Administration.

 

[lars]

 

[wrs]

What a pity

Gosh Lars,
I didn't think anything could dent the resolve and fortitude of our fearless soldiers who always write home of how they are killing bad guys and fighting the good fight. I don't think I can count the number of gung-ho, were saving america letters home from soldiers you have posted here. Now you are telling us that some slimebag like Moore can produce a documentary that shakes the resolve of the unflinching patriots and heros of america to their very core? Say it aint so, I mean surely they must know better, they weren't lied to about anything, they know that SH had WMD but that he is a better hider than the unflappable american patriot soldiers are finders. They knew too that SH was a threat to democracy and that we will have more peace in the world when Iraq has a democratic govt (whether they want it or not and whether it's a puppet regime or not). These boys and girls know better than to believe any democrat/liberal pack of lies else how would they have been so sure that SH had WMD and that SH was in cahoots with OBL.

This sure sounds like whining to me...................

 

[lars]

I will post every whine that PUMPS ME UP.

 

[old bear]

Bush got US into a unnecessary war and got a lot of people killed, including our own troops. Maybe it was for the Iraqi oil. If so then it was at least for something. I for one am tired of Bush's lies about why we just had to invade Iraq. I have not seen the film, but if ehough people keep bashing it, I probably will have to see it for myself. Some people love to call anybody that is against Bush a "Traitor', or somehow not a good American, but those people are hopelessly brainwashed and willing to trade all that America has ever stood for, in the hope of a little more "security" in the homeland. The military propagandizes the troops. If one film can shake their belief, then they must have already had some serious doubts. We did invade and then occupy another country, that had not attacked us. The only thing Bush could come up with was that they might attack us with the nonexistant WMD. All this is just part of the over all plan to keep the American people devided, and it is working just fine. Republican, Democrat, White, black, different religions, economic standing, Pro- con abortion, Pro or anti gun rights, and so on. It is all to keep us devided so that we will not unite and go after our real enemies. The really sad part if how well it works.

 

[bigwavedave]

so true, wrs and Fartacus.

it's so sad lars won't even see the film. you haven't have you, lars?

have you considered you are playing the part of a disinfo agent until then?

 

[Troke]

I see the film has topped $100 hundred million.

I expect that means 12-15 million have seen it?

Assume 20% were not true-believers, like 3,000,000 people maybe.

Based on what I have been told by those who have seen it, 80%+ come out convinced that Dubya is the Great Satan and he has to be thrown out of office to save the Republic.

That makes 2.4 million votes against Dubya.

I think MM will be able to take credit if Dubya loses.

BTW, the Oscar campaign has started.

1. All of Hollywood has seen Fahrenheit and thinks that it is a classic.

2. None of Hollywood has seen The Passion so it probably is not even in the running.

 

[lars]

BWD, I will see it if you buy my ticket. Likewise, <i>The Manchurian Candidate</i>.

But as Samuel L. Jackson says so eloquently in <i>Pulp Fiction</i>---

"The path of the righteous man is beset on
all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil
men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will,
shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly
his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will
strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those
who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my
name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

--Ezekial 25:17

 

[bigwavedave]

BWD, I will see it if you buy my ticket. Likewise, <i>The Manchurian Candidate</i>.

i already bought one for Dennis and never heard back? anyway, it's downloadable. ought six gave explicit instructions on how to go about it. maybe somebody has one on CD and can send it to you? of course, that would be illegal so i would never recommend it.

 

[homepark]

Go to a war zone, put your life on the line for this country, see the attacks and distortions made against you and your commander-in-chief, and tell me how YOU feel about it.

That type of stuff DOES hurt morale. It DOES help perpetuate negative stereotypes. It is providing aid and comfort to the enemy by doing so.

Arguments and debates about policy do not have that effect. "Fahrenheit 911" is no documentary. It is a propaganda piece done at the expense of those killed on 911 and those in harms way. Michael Moore and Jane Fonda are in the same camp. Both are idiots who believe they do/did no harm.

 

[phoenix7of7]

"I see the film has topped $100 hundred million.
I expect that means 12-15 million have seen it?
Assume 20% were not true-believers, like 3,000,000 people maybe.
Based on what I have been told by those who have seen it, 80%+ come out convinced that Dubya is the Great Satan and he has to be thrown out of office to save the Republic.
That makes 2.4 million votes against Dubya."

Most likely that 12-15 million are also part of the 44% or so immensely STUPID poll respondents that favor kerry for some unfathomable reason.

PT Barnum would recognize MM as just a modern carnie.

 

[lars]

...<i>"it's downloadable. ought six gave explicit instructions"</i>

WHAT is downloadable? Got a link?

 

[DarkImbolc]

Some relevant echos of the past:

"the most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden, it's our number one priority ,and we will not rest until we find him"
GWB Sept 13 2001

"I don't know where he (OSAMA) is, I've no idea, and don't really care. It's not that important. it's not our priority"
GWB March 13 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003

But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction [as justification for invading Iraq] because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003



So tell me again why our troops morale sucks?

 

[homepark]

Some relevant echos of the past:

"the most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden, it's our number one priority ,and we will not rest until we find him"
GWB Sept 13 2001

"I don't know where he (OSAMA) is, I've no idea, and don't really care. It's not that important. it's not our priority"
GWB March 13 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003

But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction [as justification for invading Iraq] because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003



So tell me again why our troops morale sucks?

Because while folks are busy bashing Bush, they are bashing the Commander-in-Chief.

What part of that don't you understand?

 

[wrs]

Oh well homepark, I guess in that case

Because while folks are busy bashing Bush, they are bashing the Commander-in-Chief.

What part of that don't you understand?

You must have never bashed Clinton in deference to the "troops".

Tell ya what, this whole support the troops nonsense sounds to me like the right wing version of lets do it for the kids. I can' t count how many right wingers mocked that and still do on this board. Now all they can do is put signs in their yard about how they support our president and our troops.

Yes let's do it for the troops.

Give me a break, Im about to puke from hearing both sides of the political spectrum calling each other bad when both sides are destroying this country as fast as they can and in not much different fashion...................

 

[snoozin]

The Commander in Chief is nothing more or less than a public servant and employee of the people of the United States. He is not God, nor infallible, nor beyond question or criticism. All Americans should look critically upon his job performance to date, before determining whether or not he has earned the right to continue as our leader. All relevant information needs to be heard, viewed, considered, no matter how extreme we consider the messenger. Truth often arrives in strange packages, and no single point of view has a monopoly on it. And if the troops have put their lives and bodies on the line to serve the agenda of a bunch of oligarchs (George himself called them his "base"), then the troops, more than any of us, have the right to know how they have been used (or abused).

The minute we start saying we can't criticize our Commander in Chief, whatever his political party, we are in danger of facilitating tyranny.

 

[homepark]

You must have never bashed Clinton in deference to the "troops".

Tell ya what, this whole support the troops nonsense sounds to me like the right wing version of lets do it for the kids. I can' t count how many right wingers mocked that and still do on this board. Now all they can do is put signs in their yard about how they support our president and our troops.

Yes let's do it for the troops.

Give me a break, Im about to puke from hearing both sides of the political spectrum calling each other bad when both sides are destroying this country as fast as they can and in not much different fashion...................

I never made a film about it. I never met with the NVA illegally. I never betrayed our POW's. I never spoke ill of my Country while on foreign soil. I didn't bash Nixon or LBJ when I was getting my ass shot at either. I personally didn't care for either of them. Nixon especially. However, I always respected the office.

So what branch of the service, when did you serve and what combat area were you in? I rarely ask those questions, but from my experience, most of those who DON'T GET IT have had the luxury of not serving, not being in combat, etc.

This isn't about political discussion. Hey, lets argue about policies, etc. This is about bashing America and the sitting President. I was taught that you don't do that while there is a war going on, whether you approve of the war or not.

This isn't something I read about. This is a part of my personal experience.

 

[wrs]

Oh well then what war is it that we are in?

homepark,
We haven't been in a declared war since 1945 so I think that your comments are without merit. Now if you are talking about not bashing the president when there are US troops shooting at people on their own soil, well that's not so much a war as a police action or some other kind of trumped up excuse to kill our kids for the benefit of US monied interests.

For the record, I never was in the military but I guess I paid the salary of a few soldiers over the years. I personally think military service is way overrated. I know a lot of people that served in the military that I wouldn't let cut my yard, it's not a real good pedigree to have anymore but that shouldn't be a reflection on you or any of the other vets on this board.

My dad spent 4 years in North Africa and Sicily, he never talks about it. As far as I can tell, he wishes it had never happened but he's not running around saying that you shouldn't bash Bush, in fact he thinks Bush and Clinton are both lying trash, so do I. Moreover, I don't see anything in the Constitution that says I am required to serve in the military in order to be able to express my opinion about the actions of the president.

 

[night driver]

I find this discussion .... "interesting".

In '71 I was on Kerry's side of the barricades doing a good job of it, If I DO say so Myself.

I find myself on Bush's side of the barricades today, though perhaps with less of a Black/White approach than then. the whipsaw give me a head ache occasionally.


C

 

[mbo]

Iraq, schmiraq!!

Even if we had not taken Iraq, how many idiots don't understand that the same level-of-war would be fought in Afghanistan, since the same insurgents we now face in Iraq would instead be there?

Hence, the argument should be - "why are we fighting anyone in the Mideast?" If you ask that question, then I guess you are an insufferable pacifist. Alternatively, you want Kerry so bad you'll criticize ANY response to 911, no matter what it was.

 

[windsail]

.......Ditto--homepark----ditto. Some of these folks arrogance is exceeded only by their ignorance. Cowards and weaklings all.........windsail...........

 

[homepark]

I was offering my service record as to my qualifications as to the effects of negative propaganda on folks who are in combat.

You de-value military service, yet you have never served. Now who is making judgements without merit?

You can make all the rationalizations you wish about what is a war, what is a pedigree, etc, all you care to. You are still wrong about the thread topic.

When I hear loaded and judgemental terminology and comments that start with you *fill_in_the_blank* people always, etc, etc, etc. That is called prejudice based on a stereotype.

I am willing to grant that you probably arrived at your political leanings through your experience. It would be civil if you could grant that to others who don't agree with you.

Would that folks were criticizing policy. They are too busy slinging mud, name calling, bashing America, and being disrespectful to the Commander-in-Chief and those in service.

If you have not figured out what war we are in yet, I would suggest going to a few jihadi web-sites. They will fill you in.

 

[wrs]

homepark, like I said, no reflection on you intended

Im thinking of some of my son's friends that served and some people that I knew when I was younger. If you offer that fact that you felt the anti-war movement in the '60s devalued your service in Viet Nam then I can accept that as a reasonable expression of what is in this letter. On the other hand, if your service in Viet Nam was coerced as in the draft, then you had no reason to feel badly, just used. If you enlisted and felt you were doing the rest of the nation a service, I reckon that's good for you but keep in mind, there are plenty of us here that never wanted America in Viet Nam or Iraq. I wasn't against the fight in Afghanistan because it was made to seem as though we were going to get OBL. In retrospect, I should have known better...............................

As to jihad websites, they are to people that want to believe in Bush and the war in Iraq based on emotion and not many facts, what goldeagle.com and GATA are to the goldbug community. By the way, I am a goldbug but I take with a big grain of salt the offerings from GATA and the gold web sites. It may not seem much that way by reading my writings at times, but I do take a measured approach to the topic.

 

[mbo]

they still don't get it!

It does not matter whether the war is in Iraq, or Afghanistran, or Pakistan, or anywhere else for that matter. The Islamist fanatics will be there blowing up cars, shooting at our humvees, and blowing themselves up. And the Dems and Michael Moore will declare - "stop the war"!!!

And then what - I guess the Radical Islamo-fanatics will feel all warm and fuzzy inside and declare Allah is good in America. Jeesh.

Gee, when John Kerry becomes President, I guess all our troubles will be solved!! Kinda like - what would Al Gore have done about 911?

 

[fruit loop]

Oh, I can see it coming.....

....Moore's film, concerts by the Dixie Chicks, news footage of anti-war protesters, the wearing of anti-Shrubbo tee shirts.....all banned "because they upset the troops."

NEWSFLASH, FOLKS: YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED.

That means all of you: black, white, Asian, and purple with gold stripes. Baptist, Catholic, atheist or worshipper of old poker chips. Soldier or pacifist.

If you don't like something, don't look at it. Are the soldiers who are offended being FORCED to go to movie theaters, take out their wallets, buy tickets to this film, and watch it at gunpoint. I doubt it.

Yeesh. Just when I think people can't get any more ignorant.......

 

[cooter]

wrs,,,,

this little bit,,,

Give me a break, Im about to puke from hearing both sides of the political spectrum calling each other bad when both sides are destroying this country as fast as they can and in not much different fashion...................

well said ,,well said,,,,


now back to moore,,he is another jane fonda,,,,period,,,

as to the troops and morale,,,,this deal of coming home,,and having to go back , after having been jerked around on rotations ect,,is hurting morale,,,real good,,according to some I have talked to who have gotten back,,plus other things,,,that went on,,,,,,,sigh,,,they have enough on thier minds ,,let alone MM screwing with thier minds,,,

then to top it off,,,our benevolent pres,,,signs off on a bill that cuts veterans benifits,,,,,now that really gets me POed ,,,,the troops deserve better,,,,
I could go on and on,,,on this,,,

just my 2cents for this thread,,,

 

[timbo]

See you over in the political forum.

 

[mbo]

"Yeesh. Just when I think people can't get any more ignorant......."

--- you go an d contribute to the ignorance. If you cared to notice, I did not see anyone even remotely suggesting 'censoring' Michael Moore. Michael Moore is pretty much free to spew as much garbage as likes, and other are free to point out the garbage that it is [or would you prefer that part be censored??].

 

[Michiana MaJo]

Well, I'm hardly young and impressionable, being 71 years young! I saw Moore's film and found it very factual. I don't know that I learned a lot, since I listen to a lot of alternative radio shows, like "The Power Hour" and "Alex Jones", so I've already heard much of what Moore "exposes."

Still, seeing the film and the clips of TPTB in compromising situations, and the carnage in Iraq , the scenes of the horribly mutilated and dead Iraqis, the hysterical weeping both of an Iraqi woman who lost her home to our shelling, AND an Americal mother who lost her son, and now feels his death was a waste......it was very emotional, to say the least! I encourage anyone who has not already seen the movie to do so.....that goes for you, too, Old Bear. I highly recommend the movie.

And, no, it does not make me want to vote Democrat.....the two primary candidates are equally dangerous to this country. I'd love for Moore to follow up with a documentary on Kerry, since he has his own skeletons in his closet.

In retrospect, I just realized that Moore didn't touch on the fact that Bush is a member of Skull and Bones. But, then, so is Kerry, and since Moore is being feted by the Dems, he's not touching that hot potato.

If we can't criticize the government, we've lost one of our most valuable freedoms. This country was founded on free speech and the ability to speak against the government and policies we oppose. Sadly, some of those of us in the know, realize that our government isn't always on our side. It's Follow the Money.

 

[timbo]

I think this thread was intended to show the demoralizing of the troops,not the MM film.

Saying that,anyone here going to call our troops "babykillers" and spit on them when they come home?

 

[clem]

If I ever come face to face with Moore, I'll make headlines.

 

[wrs]

Timbo, not a chance

Im against the war, not the troops and I think they have been ill-treated by this administration. I won't see Moore's fim because like Michiana Majao says, most of his facts are already out there. I don't want Moores spin on it and I don't think he's any better than Hanoi Jane.

And to the point of demoralizing the troops, that was the topic of my first sarcastic response to this post. There have been "lefties" putting up letters from troops that were demoralized long before the MM film was out. The response from folks like lars and other Bush supporters who will remain nameless, was, they are in a minority and they are malcontents, there are always a few. My point still is, if the morale was generally so high, a film like this shouldnt affect it. However, when you put together all the underhanded dirty tricks that this administration has pulled on the military from the top brass being forced to resign down to the grunts being yanked around and having their benefits cut as cooter points out, the reasons for demoralization go way beyond any film. The reasons for low morale can all be traced to the uncaring actions of the Whitehouse and it's executive office across the street................. IMO

 

[timbo]

The point of the article IMO,was not what everything else was affecting the troops but just the movie.

And following through on a logical step was that the troops are feeling that what they are doing is worthless.......after watching the movie.

So saying that,how many people who hold MM's movie up as the epitomy of the administration's failings and the illegality of the war in Iraq,it follows that what the troops are doing is not only in vain,but illegal as well.

Keep in mind that the article is very specific to MM's movie and nothing else,so with young impressionable soldiers watching it,how else are they going to think?

If they felt they were doing something worthwhile over there before the movie and then changed and now think they are not,how long will it be that coming home they will expect people to spit on them?

And I understand(it was mentioned on FOX News) that there was a sign up in Boston that said to bring the troops home.
Sound familiar? Just like the morass that hit the nation during the Vietnam War and what happened to those troops?
They were called baby killers and were spat on.

So the question,is how do you tell the troops that they are doing their duty and doing it well and show them MM's movie?

This is no way saying that what the administration is doing a good job or a bad job,its the impact on the soldiers that count. And if we here,and elsewhere agree with MM then we are in truth putting the soldiers in the same place as the soldiers returning from Vietnam.

So we stop short of spitting and name calling,but still tell them they were doing an illegal action?
How do we honor our troops duties and the hell they went through thinking they were doing a good job?

 

[buff]

Well, I'm hardly young and impressionable, being 71 years young! I saw Moore's film and found it very factual. I don't know that I learned a lot, since I listen to a lot of alternative radio shows, like "The Power Hour" and "Alex Jones", so I've already heard much of what Moore "exposes."

very factual?....71 yrs young.......yet so misguided...sad really...

i talk to troops every single day...many times....haven't sensed or heard any moral problems. most i talk to can't wait to get back into it as they know they are doing the right thing...they just don't show that in our media...

see the thing is...like president bush stated in the beginning that this is a war like none have ever seen. we need a jump off point in the middle east to prosecute this war to its end and ensure the freedom of our country. the left through a bizarre lust for power try to disrupt at any cost endangering you and yours...and mine. if you can't see through the smokescreen of hate and blind desire for power that they spew, then you are disruptive to the safety of the united states. like our pres says...if you aren't with us then you are against us.

why do you buy what these evil people are selling hook, line and sinker? are you unable to think beyond what you see on tv or what michael friggin moore tells you? this is a war for the very survival of everything this country is about.

why don't y'all join the team and come on in for the big win.

and i 100% agree with clem if i came face to face with mr. moore

 

[timbo]

Well said buffdawg,well said.

 

[dustnbones]

troop morale.....devastating?

 

[cooter]

buffdog,,,,

this is a war for the very survival of everything this country is about.

hey,,yer right,,,many of us here who poke and prod realize this more than others realize,,,,then why does the actions of the govment bunch,,not match what they say,,,

we are at war,,,why is the southern border still wide ooooopen!,,,,,or least some effort,,,,

why are we cutting back on the border patrol personell,,,,,

why are we harrassing white /black people at airports,,yet a blatantly ME person,,,nary gets a look,,,, (have I got a good story on that one,,,),,and last I knew,,it was ME types that are doing all the bad things lately,,,

why is our govment importing muslims (reference a thread right here in TB2K)

I could go on and on,,,its the frustration of what is being said,,and what is being done,,,aint matching,,,,and these kind of actions will get more people killed ,,,,

but what do I know,,,,

at least thats the view from this front porch,,,,

 

[buff]

well cooter...my answer to your question would be that the screaming of the aclu, naacp, and other leftwing groups about racial profiling and political correctness is impeding our ability to go after the real culprits. in their eyes, we should not be able to frisk only middle eastern men getting on airplanes. and if the current administration did the outcry from the left would be deafining.
thats the way i see it.

but you'd have to ask the left why..as its their PC policies that creates this and handcuffs our attempts to stop it.

 

[HisChild]

Originally posted by Buffdawg.

well cooter...my answer to your question would be that the screaming of the aclu, naacp, and other leftwing groups about racial profiling and political correctness is impeding our ability to go after the real culprits. in their eyes, we should not be able to frisk only middle eastern men getting on airplanes. and if the current administration did the outcry from the left would be deafining.

Buffdawg. I completely agree. (and don't forget the 'great things being done by the Red Cross' in this Non-War). God Bless our troops, our Commander in Chief, and our Country. I don't know what will happen if we don't keep this prayer going.

I appreciate your comments as well Timbo. It's good to know there are people who still care for our country and the traditions that have held over the years.

His Child