GUNS/RLTD Virginia Dems' Gun-Grabbing Plans Are Already Backfiring

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Texican

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Northan's gun grab is having the opposite effect with Virginians buying more and more guns and ammo.... Just as with obbie....
Texican....
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Virginia Dems' Gun-Grabbing Plans Are Already Backfiring


By Joe Saunders
Published January 2, 2020 at 11:34am


Virginia lawmakers don’t start meeting until next week, but gun owners aren’t waiting.

With an anti-gun Democratic majority about to take over in both houses of the state legislature and the governor’s office already in the hands of the increasingly left-leaning Ralph Northan, gun control laws look inevitable.

But as one Old Dominion gun store owner told the Washington Examiner, the gun-grabbing plans being hatched in Richmond are already backfiring.

“This is the largest Christmas and November, December that we’ve had, basically, since Trump has come on board,” Jerry Rapp, owner of SpecDive Tactical in Alexandria, told the newspaper.

“The only other person that was a better salesman right now is when we had President Obama,” Rapp said.

There’s a good reason for that.

President Barack Obama’s eight disastrous years in office were marked by recurrent threats of federal action on gun control, which typically encouraged more gun and ammunition purchases by American citizens. In April 2016, Forbes reported that the gun industry had grown a staggering 158 percent during Obama’s two terms in office.

Fortunately for Americans and their Second Amendment rights, Obama was stymied by Republican lawmakers who held a majority in the House of Representatives for most of his time in office and in both houses of Congress for Obama’s final two years.

The unified Democratic government of Virginia’s 2020 legislative session will have no similar check on its gun-grabbing impulses.

As the Examiner reported, the proposals already out include “bans on ‘assault-style’ weapons, restrictions on magazine capacity, universal background checks, and restrictions to one gun a month purchases.”

And Virginians are already reacting, Rapp said.

“Every time [Obama] turned around he was going to ban something or make something illegal. But even that isn’t even close to the amount of sales we’re selling right now of magazines, of guns, of every kind of gun from pistol, rifle, shotguns, to AR platforms” and ammunition, he told the Examiner.

“We can’t keep it in stock.”

At the federal level, Democratic Rep. Jennifer Wexton has floated a proposal to trace gun purchases through credit card records, according to The Washington Post.

RELATED: Ahead of Confiscation, Northam Prepares To Start Jailing Gun Owners

The chances of such a bill passing a Republican Senate or being signed by President Donald Trump are approximately zero, but Rapp told the Examiner that his customers’ practices seem to reflect some uneasiness at the prospect.

Many have been making purchases with cash instead of plastic, he told the newspaper.

Washington Examiner

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Jackpine Savage

Veteran Member
Increased demand justifies capital investment to build greater production capability. The capital to invest has to come from somewhere if profit already is tight.

So consider it an investment in your 2A rights.

Dobbin

Absolutely. They are still a good deal at 8.99. It's just a metric that is easy to follow. They were down to 6.99 in 2017.
 

1911user

Veteran Member
Gen 2 pmags are now $12+, formerly $8 less than a year ago.
Also, PSA is now bundling the D&H aluminum mags instead of gen 2 pmags.
 

Old Gray Mare

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I remember Virginians who spoke like they'd had lunch with one of their Revolutionary War veteran ancestors last Friday. I know Massachusetts, the cradle of the American Revolution, had been contaminated with Socialism and it's population pussified into giving up their weapons and the ideals their ancestors fought and died for. I just never believed it could happen in Virginia. I don't want to believe it can happen in Virginia.
 

DazedandConfused

Veteran Member
I remember Virginians who spoke like they'd had lunch with one of their Revolutionary War veteran ancestors last Friday. I know Massachusetts, the cradle of the American Revolution, had been contaminated with Socialism and it's population pussified into giving up their weapons and the ideals their ancestors fought and died for. I just never believed it could happen in Virginia. I don't want to believe it can happen in Virginia.
It won't happen in Virginia, the line in the sand has been drawn just waiting to see how far the gov wants to push it. The gun grabbers just don't understand the mind set of good southern folks, Yep down here the hornets nest is a lot bigger not only are they messing with the peoples GOD given rights their messing with the peoples way of life.
 

Hfcomms

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Northan's gun grab is having the opposite effect with Virginians buying more and more guns and ammo.... Just as with obbie....
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They never learn their lesson, do they? You would think after worshipping Obama for 8 years that they would be able to see the direct correlation between gun control grabs and people mobbing the stores to vacuum up everything in inventory. The more they talk about gun control the more they drive people to the stores to buy everything in sight. And they never learn......
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
I remember Virginians who spoke like they'd had lunch with one of their Revolutionary War veteran ancestors last Friday. I know Massachusetts, the cradle of the American Revolution, had been contaminated with Socialism and it's population pussified into giving up their weapons and the ideals their ancestors fought and died for. I just never believed it could happen in Virginia. I don't want to believe it can happen in Virginia.

I always wondered whatever happened to that original pilgrim and Puritan stock in massachusetts. I’m guessing theor descendants all picked up stakes and moved on eventually as more and more immigrants from the old world kept arriving. Early white flight.
 

fish hook

Deceased
They never learn their lesson, do they? You would think after worshipping Obama for 8 years that they would be able to see the direct correlation between gun control grabs and people mobbing the stores to vacuum up everything in inventory. The more they talk about gun control the more they drive people to the stores to buy everything in sight. And they never learn......
Maybe they are stockholders in the gun industry.
 

NoDandy

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Well, it is also having a ripple effect. Kentucky had a commiecrat from Louisville area has announced that he would file a bill in Frankfort to ban firearms, and for confiscation. The new Gov supposedly is in favor of that, and is in favor of Red Flag Laws, and said he would sign such.

Several counties have already passed resolutions to make their counties 2nd Amend Sanctuary counties. Marshall, Harlan, Cumberland, Lewis, & Letcher counties. Greenup & Boyd Counties have scheduled votes. Caarter County is having a public meeting Mon 1-6 to do the same.

I think the commiecrats have overplayed their hand!

Regards
 

2DEES

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I have relatives in Va. Unfortunately they live next to a county that will deputize all gun owners and they may also be organizing a militia which I believe is allowed under the Va. constitution. I have no problem with them doing this....However
should push come to shove, this would be one of the first areas to be dealt with. Bullets travel a long way, and innocents get hurt. I could very easily see this spilling over into their county. Not everyone is armed, equipped and able to fight. Hopefully, they can use impeachment,recall and/or the courts to resolve this peacefully, but I have my doubts.
 

2DEES

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I was also told where I live in R.I. that the town council just recently passed a 2nd amendment resolution for our area. This has no force of law but is a statement that we disapprove of unconstitutional laws.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Well, it is also having a ripple effect. Kentucky had a commiecrat from Louisville area has announced that he would file a bill in Frankfort to ban firearms, and for confiscation. The new Gov supposedly is in favor of that, and is in favor of Red Flag Laws, and said he would sign such.

Several counties have already passed resolutions to make their counties 2nd Amend Sanctuary counties. Marshall, Harlan, Cumberland, Lewis, & Letcher counties. Greenup & Boyd Counties have scheduled votes. Caarter County is having a public meeting Mon 1-6 to do the same.

I think the commiecrats have overplayed their hand!

Regards

Can you keep us posted on Kentucky (or someone - I’m on a tablet and still haven’t mastered copy and paste)? When my local counties get to this point, I want to know so I can support the 2nd Amendment.

Kathleen
 

greysage

On The Level
I'm not sure we know what their plans are. According to this man's video, antifa and MS13 have been spotted in Richmond. Rumor is they're wearing 'patriot' style clothing. Apparently groups have been scoping out parking garages due to the high ground they offer.
VCDL is asking patriots not to bring long guns to the protest.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw8GIRFgRw8
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Well, it is also having a ripple effect. Kentucky had a commiecrat from Louisville area has announced that he would file a bill in Frankfort to ban firearms, and for confiscation. The new Gov supposedly is in favor of that, and is in favor of Red Flag Laws, and said he would sign such.

Several counties have already passed resolutions to make their counties 2nd Amend Sanctuary counties. Marshall, Harlan, Cumberland, Lewis, & Letcher counties. Greenup & Boyd Counties have scheduled votes. Caarter County is having a public meeting Mon 1-6 to do the same.

I think the commiecrats have overplayed their hand!

Regards
No doubt! But in the end it will most likely move the goals posts once again. Always further to the left. That is the point.

When negotiating pick an outlandish position and then work back to the point you were willing to accept in the beginning. It works. The same thing will happen here. Once the smoke clears, there will be more regulations on gun ownership and the right will celebrate as we actually get the confiscation they wanted. Yet, we will end up losing more rights and people will not understand that.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I was also told where I live in R.I. that the town council just recently passed a 2nd amendment resolution for our area. This has no force of law but is a statement that we disapprove of unconstitutional laws.

Yes, giving a strong statement of disapproval always works with these people. History has proven this......

sarcasm off >>>
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I have relatives in Va. Unfortunately they live next to a county that will deputize all gun owners and they may also be organizing a militia which I believe is allowed under the Va. constitution. I have no problem with them doing this....However
should push come to shove, this would be one of the first areas to be dealt with. Bullets travel a long way, and innocents get hurt. I could very easily see this spilling over into their county. Not everyone is armed, equipped and able to fight. Hopefully, they can use impeachment,recall and/or the courts to resolve this peacefully, but I have my doubts.

Sorry to say, but we are the innocents. We have been hurt repeatedly. Now we are standing up and fighting back.
 

Dozdoats

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Friday, September 24, 2010

Ok, I'll play

20 questions from here.

  1. Do you believe that criminals and domestic abusers should be able to buy guns without background checks?
No background check ever stopped a criminal from getting his hands on a gun. When they steal them out of cop cars and FBI vans, they don't leave a 4473 on the seat, and the ATF has never received a 4473 from the local dope house. And given the ever-loosening definition of "domestic abuser", I've got reservations there, too.
  1. What is your proposal for keeping guns away from criminals, domestic abusers, terrorists and dangerously mentally ill people?
Since domestic abuse is a crime, and since terrorism is a crime, let me tighten that up for you: "What is your proposal for keeping guns away from criminals and dangerously mentally ill people?

Easy. When they are convicted of a crime, stick their arses in prison.
  1. Do you believe that a background check infringes on your constitutional right to "keep and bear arms"?
Yes.
  1. Do you believe that I and people with whom I work intend to ban your guns?
Yes.
  1. If yes to #4, how do you think that could happen ( I mean the physical action)?
The same way you banned guns in New York. The same way you banned guns in Chicago. The same way you banned guns in Washington DC. Duh.
  1. What do you think are the "second amendment remedies" that the tea party GOP candidate for Senate in Nevada( Sharron Angle) has proposed?
I don't have a clue. Ask her.
  1. Do you believe in the notion that if you don't like what someone is doing or saying, second amendment remedies should be applied?
Since I don't like being robbed, and I don't like being assaulted, yes, I do. As for speaking, that's what the Amendment next to the Second is for.
  1. Do you believe it is O.K. to call people with whom you disagree liars and demeaning names?
If they're lying, it's fairly appropriate. And since folks from your side have called me everything from crazy to redneck to inbred, I'd have to ask your stance on that one.
  1. If yes to #8, would you do it in a public place to the person's face?
Oh, yes.
  1. Do you believe that any gun law will take away your constitutional rights?
Yes.
  1. Do you believe in current gun laws? Do you think they are being enforced? If not, explain.
Damn skippy they're being enforced. That's why it takes me, a peace officer and an honourably-discharged member of the United States military, five days for your so-called "Instant Check" to clear me; it's why West Point graduates are being gunned down in a Las Vegas Costco parking lot for legally carrying their pistol, so on and so forth.
  1. Do you believe that all law-abiding citizens are careful with their guns and would never shoot anybody?
You mean never shooting anybody, or never shooting anybody who needs it? I believe that all law-abiding citizens are human, and thus, not perfect. That's not a reason to ban their guns, though.
  1. Do you believe that people who commit suicide with a gun should be included in the gun statistics?
I don't think there should be gun statistics. Statistics are only there to be massaged into giving the person with the statistics the answer they want to see.
  1. Do you believe that accidental gun deaths should "count" in the total numbers?
See above.
  1. Do you believe that sometimes guns, in careless use or an accident, can shoot a bullet without the owner or holder of the gun pulling the trigger?
No. Modern gun design prevents the discharge of the gun without the trigger being pulled.
  1. Do you believe that 30,000 gun deaths a year is too many?
Compared to what? Compared to the number of traffic fatalities, it's minuscule. Compared to the number of swimming pool fatalities, it's still a small number. Compared to the number of people killed each year by medical malpractice it's tiny. Compared to the number of people beaten to death each year by a pyromaniac midget with an ivory elephant goad, it's a large number.
  1. How will you help to prevent more shootings in this country?
The same thing I've been doing every day since I turned twenty-one. Donate my time to educate and teach.
  1. Do you believe the articles that I have posted about actual shootings or do you think I am making them up or that human interest stories about events that have happened should not count when I blog about gun injuries and deaths?
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
  1. There has been some discussion of the role of the ATF here. Do you believe the ATF wants your guns and wants to harass you personally? If so, provide examples ( some have written a few that need to be further examined).
Personally? No. Doesn't mean that they aren't an impersonal pain in my arse, though.
  1. Will you continue a reasonable discussion towards an end that might lead somewhere or is this an exercise in futility?
Since what you consider to be reasonable isn't even in the same plane of reality with what I consider reasonable, probably not.

Allow me to explain.

I hear a lot about "compromise" from your camp ... except, it's not compromise.

Let's say I have this cake. It is a very nice cake, with "GUN RIGHTS" written across the top in lovely floral icing. Along you come and say, "Give me that cake."

I say, "No, it's my cake."

You say, "Let's compromise. Give me half." I respond by asking what I get out of this compromise, and you reply that I get to keep half of my cake.

Okay, we compromise. Let us call this compromise The National Firearms Act of 1934.

There I am with my half of the cake, and you walk back up and say, "Give me that cake."

I say, "No, it's my cake."

You say, "Let's compromise." What do I get out of this compromise? Why, I get to keep half of what's left of the cake I already own.

So, we have your compromise -- let us call this one the Gun Control Act of 1968 -- and I'm left holding what is now just a quarter of my cake.

And I'm sitting in the corner with my quarter piece of cake, and here you come again. You want my cake. Again.

This time you take several bites -- we'll call this compromise the Clinton Executive Orders -- and I'm left with about a tenth of what has always been MY DAMN CAKE and you've got nine-tenths of it.

Then we compromised with the Lautenberg Act (nibble, nibble), the HUD/Smith and Wesson agreement (nibble, nibble), the Brady Law (NOM NOM NOM), the School Safety and Law Enforcement Improvement Act (sweet tap-dancing Freyja, my finger!)

I'm left holding crumbs of what was once a large and satisfying cake, and you're standing there with most of MY CAKE, making anime eyes and whining about being "reasonable", and wondering "why we won't compromise".

I'm done with being reasonable, and I'm done with compromise. Nothing about gun control in this country has ever been "reasonable" nor a genuine "compromise".

LawDog
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
LawDog is good at it. Sadly he is unable to write as much as he once did, but you can see his blog at The LawDog Files

LawDog was one of my fellow staff members at THR in decades past, along with some other now best selling author named Larry Correia. Monster Hunter Nation

Lots of mis-spent (relative) youth back then … :D
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I empathize with how you're still traumatized by it, too, Dozdoats.

(takes tongue out of cheek... walks away)
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
comment by Coastie Patriot, elsewhere

"... Norfolk and Portsmouth commonwealth’s attorneys Greg Underwood and Stephanie Morales, respectively, announced earlier this year that their offices will not prosecute low-level drug offenses. The hypocrisy of not enforcing drug laws but enforcing 2a is fraught with issues!!..."

I agree with the above 100 percent, that there is an agenda at foot, shoplifting under $1000 was somewhat decriminalized in Cook Co by Kim Fox, the shoplifting gangs have thus exploded this past Xmas. Bolder and more aggressive as was totally expected.

There is organized effort to lower the standards across the board to lift the shackles on their brethren, meanwhile making it that much harder for homeowners and law abiding gunowners, the inevitable victims of said flawed de-legislation, to defend under castle doctrine since the Trayvon fiasco.

This is someone who most likely will become a media presence in the coming weeks and a Sheriff we all need to be familiarized with.


I am good on my state cap cities, but admittedly a bit weaker on county seats and various county arrangements. Henrico was one of the original Virginia Shires predating our county system. I am going to familiarize myself more with that history as it will come into play as militia precedent in legal challenges.

another law enforcement body we need to be familiar with in this ongoing saga


fresh off their 400th anniv. originally established back in our colonial King's era to protect his crown governors

Virginia matter needs ardent and dedicated attention as it will get lost under troop mobilizations and news of threats and sabre rattles from Iran
 

West

Senior
Things are connected, like the law not keeping thieving criminals for any amount of time for anything less than $1000.

That's a direct punch in the gut to capitalism. And its capitalist that make the guns. It's all connected.

We would be a much better society if the owners of small businesses could legally shoot thieves and or beat them. That would be a win win, especially for capitalist and our gun rights.
 

2DEES

Inactive
Sorry to say, but we are the innocents. We have been hurt repeatedly. Now we are standing up and fighting back.
Count the cost not only for you but for others. War/revolution is good for no one. How do you think you'll fair against the U.S. military which has spent years entering and clearing areas. Unfortunately, war is the LAST solution for me. I hope Va. and it's citizens avail themselves of all peaceful means before bullets start to fly. I'll tell you a prophecy/vision I read some 2 years ago. Two black SUV's rolled up to some person's house. Armed men, SWAT,FBI,Spec.OPS' that were not specified got out of their vehicles with full regalia. Unknown to them there was a group of armed citizens on top of a roof over looking where the SUV's were stopped. They opened fire on the men below and killed them all. In horror the gentleman having the dream/vision screamed out loud because he knew what this meant and what the result of this action would be. I hope you look ahead and count the cost. Rambo may have been successful but I know I am not that capable. Maybe you are? I will defend my home and family' nuff said!
 

Snyper

Veteran Member
I saw this posted on another site and thought it was pretty profound:

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Originally Posted by InOmaha View Post

Here's the true gun death paradox. The more good people who shoot and kill bad people, the higher the gun death rates. Which are then used by unscrupulous people to push for disarmament. Even though the good people are reducing overall crime and helping the population at large by exercising justifiable defense.

If the US had an increase in the number of people killed by guns to 100-200,000 a year for a decade that would not necessarily mean our crime rate was increasing. In fact it, could be the exact opposite with overall violent crime and prison population decreasing suddenly as the number of criminals decrease when citizens defend themselves.

The way mass shootings are figured now, a CCW permit holder could kill a group of people robbing a bank and it would show up as a mass shooting. Factor out the suicides and criminal shootings and the more justifiable shootings the better for society as a whole. "
 

dero50

Veteran Member
DUH.....if that many believe in the 2nd amendment how did VA get Dem's in the governorship and both houses! Was there cheating or were they voting out of ignorance?
 

dero50

Veteran Member
Count the cost not only for you but for others. War/revolution is good for no one. How do you think you'll fair against the U.S. military which has spent years entering and clearing areas. Unfortunately, war is the LAST solution for me. I hope Va. and it's citizens avail themselves of all peaceful means before bullets start to fly. I'll tell you a prophecy/vision I read some 2 years ago. Two black SUV's rolled up to some person's house. Armed men, SWAT,FBI,Spec.OPS' that were not specified got out of their vehicles with full regalia. Unknown to them there was a group of armed citizens on top of a roof over looking where the SUV's were stopped. They opened fire on the men below and killed them all. In horror the gentleman having the dream/vision screamed out loud because he knew what this meant and what the result of this action would be. I hope you look ahead and count the cost. Rambo may have been successful but I know I am not that capable. Maybe you are? I will defend my home and family' nuff said!
Now we know why in WW2 Germany churches sang louder as the trains rolled by, if they said anything they would have been on the next train. That is the problem when you wait too late to try to fix a problem.
 

mudlogger

Veteran Member
DUH.....if that many believe in the 2nd amendment how did VA get Dem's in the governorship and both houses! Was there cheating or were they voting out of ignorance?

Cheating. They always count the red part of the state (almost the whole state, actually) before announcing the results of the blue areas. Makes it easier for them to know how many votes they have to have to win.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Cheating. They always count the red part of the state (almost the whole state, actually) before announcing the results of the blue areas. Makes it easier for them to know how many votes they have to have to win.

That used'ta was.

Now they just add votes as needed.
 

dero50

Veteran Member
Cheating. They always count the red part of the state (almost the whole state, actually) before announcing the results of the blue areas. Makes it easier for them to know how many votes they have to have to win.
Why do they always get to count??? Why can't Conservatives count the votes, is there some unwritten rule? If they continue to do this our country is gone!
 
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