…… (Warning, rough) Alone in a bathroom: The fear and uncertainty of a post-Roe medication abortion

[helen]

The entire article has graphic details some of you may want to skip. I'm posting this excerpt because they admit to giving advice to minors under the age of consent.

This is someone's child going through a tremendous trauma, and they tell her to keep it secret. This child is suffering the effects of a drug sent to her from out of state by people who claim they have no treating medical relationship with her. This child has passed a fetus that is older than the limit the drug is licensed for. This child may bleed to death, die from sepsis, or permanently injure her ability to have children when she is "ready to be a mom".

This 15-year old child cannot legally consent to sex in many states, so this pregnancy could be the result of statutory rape, stranger rape, or domestic violence rape. The fetus is evidence of a crime. This child is a crime victim being told by an unknown adult to keep this a secret.

Fetal remains are human remains and subject to laws regarding disposition. Telling this child to flush human remains down the toilet is telling her to commit a crime. In this example, the girl asks if she can "throw it away". The article is not clear about the answer.

This child has parents or guardians who are denied the right to seek appropriate health care, psychological care, and moral guidance as they see fit, but they are legally responsible for her injury or death.

If this were my kid, I'd move heaven and earth to prosecute them for anything that sticks.



A doctor answers panicked calls
Linda Prine was answering a few emails, coffee mug in hand, when her cellphone rang.
“Hi, this is the hotline doctor,” the 72-year-old said from her New York City home one Sunday morning in January. “Can I help you?”

The voice Prine heard was quiet and scared — belonging to a 15-year-old with an area code in a state with an abortion ban who had taken pills and passed a fetus larger than she’d expected.

Unable to flush the fetus down the toilet, the girl asked about throwing it away.
She was young enough to be Prine’s granddaughter.

Prine cradled the phone in both hands and leaned in, trying to channel every ounce of reassurance and understanding she could muster through the phone line.

“There’s nothing in there that’s traceable back to you,” she said. “As long as you don’t tell anybody.”
The girl asked if the abortion made her a bad person.

“No it doesn’t,” Prine said. “Not a bit.”

“You are doing what’s right for you and your future family,” she added, her voice firm.

“This way you can be a good mom when you’re ready to be a good mom.”

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[Honey Berry]

I wish there was an emoji with crying tears.

Absolutely heartbreaking.

 

[bw]

Kudos to the doctor for giving the girl some hope of a better future. It's a blessing to catch people when they're falling.

 

[Countrymouse]

The entire article has graphic details some of you may want to skip. I'm posting this excerpt because they admit to giving advice to minors under the age of consent.

This is someone's child going through a tremendous trauma, and they tell her to keep it secret. This child is suffering the effects of a drug sent to her from out of state by people who claim they have no treating medical relationship with her. This child has passed a fetus that is older than the limit the drug is licensed for. This child may bleed to death, die from sepsis, or permanently injure her ability to have children when she is "ready to be a mom".

This 15-year old child cannot legally consent to sex in many states, so this pregnancy could be the result of statutory rape, stranger rape, or domestic violence rape. The fetus is evidence of a crime. This child is a crime victim being told by an unknown adult to keep this a secret.

Fetal remains are human remains and subject to laws regarding disposition. Telling this child to flush human remains down the toilet is telling her to commit a crime. In this example, the girl asks if she can "throw it away". The article is not clear about the answer.

This child has parents or guardians who are denied the right to seek appropriate health care, psychological care, and moral guidance as they see fit, but they are legally responsible for her injury or death.

If this were my kid, I'd move heaven and earth to prosecute them for anything that sticks.



A doctor answers panicked calls
Linda Prine was answering a few emails, coffee mug in hand, when her cellphone rang.
“Hi, this is the hotline doctor,” the 72-year-old said from her New York City home one Sunday morning in January. “Can I help you?”

The voice Prine heard was quiet and scared — belonging to a 15-year-old with an area code in a state with an abortion ban who had taken pills and passed a fetus larger than she’d expected.

Unable to flush the fetus down the toilet, the girl asked about throwing it away.
She was young enough to be Prine’s granddaughter.

Prine cradled the phone in both hands and leaned in, trying to channel every ounce of reassurance and understanding she could muster through the phone line.

“There’s nothing in there that’s traceable back to you,” she said. “As long as you don’t tell anybody.”
The girl asked if the abortion made her a bad person.

“No it doesn’t,” Prine said. “Not a bit.”

“You are doing what’s right for you and your future family,” she added, her voice firm.

“This way you can be a good mom when you’re ready to be a good mom.”

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Picture of a crosstitch plaque in the home of the "doctor" telling this poor girl this:



Telling a 'child' (in many countries, and here in the past, young women do and did routinely get married by 15--and it wasn't at all unusual) to tell herself all these LIES--

when her own conscience obviously is telling her differently (or she wouldn't be asking the questions to begin with)--

is a RAPE of her SOUL, even worse than the vicious assault that has just been done on her body....

(and on her baby's.....)

 

[helen]

A school nurse can't give this girl an aspirin without parental consent.

If you have the stomach to wade through scattered gory details, you'll see these doctors call themselves "volunteers" to keep from being sued. Great folks there.

I can't help but wonder if the baby that was too big to be flushed was moving. The article didn't define how big "too big" is. Was this a potentially viable baby, and was this murder? Just don't tell anyone, and try not to die. From a doctor to a kid.

Nah. Find any criminal charge that sticks. This has nothing to do with whether abortion should be legal or not.

 

[PrairieMoon]

Kudos to the doctor for giving the girl some hope of a better future. It's a blessing to catch people when they're falling.

No matter how often we as individuals or as a society tell ourselves this is ok, deep inside we know it is not. She didn't accidentally run over a squirrel; she is responsible for ending a human life. A few words of 'hope' will only offer a moment of relief from her pain and fear. There is no blessing in any of this.

 

[helen]

I had a brain-injured teenage daughter. She could talk just fine on the phone, but she could not give accurate information. If these "I'm a volunteer, not your doctor" people had done this to my kid, jail would have become their safe space.

Hope? Hope you don't die? Hope the fetus wasn't way older than you thought? Hope that fetus (wait, how big?) in the dumpster doesn't get dragged out by an animal? Hope the guy who knocked you up doesn't do it again? Hope you can fool your parents into thinking that fever is the flu?

This has nothing to do with legalizing abortion and everything to do with protecting underage girls.

 

[Walrus]

The entire article has graphic details some of you may want to skip. I'm posting this excerpt because they admit to giving advice to minors under the age of consent.

This is someone's child going through a tremendous trauma, and they tell her to keep it secret. This child is suffering the effects of a drug sent to her from out of state by people who claim they have no treating medical relationship with her. This child has passed a fetus that is older than the limit the drug is licensed for. This child may bleed to death, die from sepsis, or permanently injure her ability to have children when she is "ready to be a mom".

This 15-year old child cannot legally consent to sex in many states, so this pregnancy could be the result of statutory rape, stranger rape, or domestic violence rape. The fetus is evidence of a crime. This child is a crime victim being told by an unknown adult to keep this a secret.

Fetal remains are human remains and subject to laws regarding disposition. Telling this child to flush human remains down the toilet is telling her to commit a crime. In this example, the girl asks if she can "throw it away". The article is not clear about the answer.

This child has parents or guardians who are denied the right to seek appropriate health care, psychological care, and moral guidance as they see fit, but they are legally responsible for her injury or death.

If this were my kid, I'd move heaven and earth to prosecute them for anything that sticks.



A doctor answers panicked calls
Linda Prine was answering a few emails, coffee mug in hand, when her cellphone rang.
“Hi, this is the hotline doctor,” the 72-year-old said from her New York City home one Sunday morning in January. “Can I help you?”

The voice Prine heard was quiet and scared — belonging to a 15-year-old with an area code in a state with an abortion ban who had taken pills and passed a fetus larger than she’d expected.

Unable to flush the fetus down the toilet, the girl asked about throwing it away.
She was young enough to be Prine’s granddaughter.

Prine cradled the phone in both hands and leaned in, trying to channel every ounce of reassurance and understanding she could muster through the phone line.

“There’s nothing in there that’s traceable back to you,” she said. “As long as you don’t tell anybody.”
The girl asked if the abortion made her a bad person.

“No it doesn’t,” Prine said. “Not a bit.”

“You are doing what’s right for you and your future family,” she added, her voice firm.

“This way you can be a good mom when you’re ready to be a good mom.”

MSN

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helen, this is an incredibly sad and tragic story. Thank you for challenging not only my emotions but my intellect, as there really isn't - at the time we enter into this story - a proper and moral way through this mess.

The child had already murdered her own child but was needing help and love. She needed her parents to guide her through but obviously this was past that, and who knows what kind of guidance she'd been able to get because of the situation that developed? One really hopes that somehow the baby got a proper burial somewhere, even if it was in an unmarked and deep grave.

I'm just still stunned by this and while I can find fault with the doctor's choice of applying her knowledge, I can't find fault with her support of that young girl who needed to be told that all wasn't necessarily lost - that she could recover and could have a good life.

As I think about it more deeply, though, I realize that this is more personal for me than I originally considered. I was born when my mama was a 16-year-old sophomore in high school (and her class valedictorian at the time) and my father was 18. If I had been the baby which was too big to be flushed, what would've happened to me? I would have been dead before I was even born. If this had happened to me nowadays instead of 70+ years ago, I might've been that nameless child born of a desperate, dirt-poor Texas family. Mom never did finish high school; she and my blood father divorced a couple years later and I was adopted by a Marine coming home from Korea, and raised by her and the Marine who I'll forever honor as my Dad.

Not that I've materially contributed to the betterment of mankind as a result of my life's work, I just can't escape the sadness of this story which you've shared, and the hopelessness of a world which doesn't know how to open up to its Messiah, who stands ready to give meaning to any life on this world.

 

[Walrus]

If these "I'm a volunteer, not your doctor" people had done this to my kid, jail would have become their safe space.

I can't argue for even a second on your reaction. Even though the girl was momentarily comforted, you've hit on all the points which were bypassed - parental care, anything - just whatever that child needed to help her grow up and become who she was meant to be.

 

[anna43]

I have always thought it interesting that a rapist does not get the death penalty, but the baby does. Also, lot of "rapes" are not rapes until it is convenient for it to be "rape".

I'm old so I've seen a lot of changes through the years from shamed and ostracized due to out-of-wedlock child to freedom to kill the child for the mother's convenience. The fact is giving birth is not "ruining" the mother's "entire" life as pregnancy is only 9 months out of their lifetime. Giving birth and placing the child for adoption would be much less likely to create trauma than killing a baby does.

I was working on genealogy today and I realized my great-great-great grandmother (1851-1915) who never married had a child when she was 14 or 15. The "schoolteacher" who lived next door, according to family stories, was the father and he was 20. Her child, a daughter, married and had 10 children one of which was my great-grandmother. Dealing with unplanned pregnancy has always been with us but only in the last generation has murder of the child been the solution.

 

[bw]

Dealing with unplanned pregnancy has always been with us but only in the last generation has murder of the child been the solution.

Abortion can be documented several thousand years back, and there's no reason to think it isn't much older than that.

I'm not in favor of it, but it's part of human culture and it's not going away.

 

[Hfcomms]

This is the only drum the left has yet to beat on. And yeah, not only tragic but beyond tragic as both the babies and mothers are expendable in this society today.

 

[PghPanther]

I uhh.................well huh..........

.......(ahem) just find myself ending up clicking her posts to get a closer look at those panties in an imaginative capacity,

.....(sorry about that PSL)

 

[Countrymouse]

Abortion can be documented several thousand years back, and there's no reason to think it isn't much older than that.

I'm not in favor of it, but it's part of human culture and it's not going away.

so is rape.
so is stealing.
so is murder.

Does the "age" of the wrongdoing make ANY of them RIGHT?

 

[bw]

so is rape. so is stealing. so is murder.
Does the "age" of the wrongdoing make ANY of them RIGHT?

Of course not, but it does indicate the power of the problem you're struggling against.

Abortion is not some new invention resulting from the 60's sexual revolution. Like the sexual abuse of children, it goes as far back as we have records, and it will continue as far into the future as we can see. Every generation will have to fight.

 

[Griz3752]

I have no position on Abortion aye or nay; I've never had occasion to consider such a determination and am very grateful to have dodged that bullet.

However the thought of anyone 'flushing a fetus' like a bowel movement is beyond repugnant to me and from here, looks to me like such policies are clearly the outcome of soulless Marxist Agendas.

 

[Dennis Olson]

A school nurse can't give this girl an aspirin without parental consent.

True. BUT, they can give out birth control AND refer kids to transgender clinics, both without parental knowledge or consent.

 

[Coulter]

so is rape.
so is stealing.
so is murder.

Does the "age" of the wrongdoing make ANY of them RIGHT?

IMO that is what happened here.

 

[amarilla]

At the beginning of this thread I used the OMG emoji. I really wanted a throwing up one.

 

[amazon]

The entire article has graphic details some of you may want to skip. I'm posting this excerpt because they admit to giving advice to minors under the age of consent.

This is someone's child going through a tremendous trauma, and they tell her to keep it secret. This child is suffering the effects of a drug sent to her from out of state by people who claim they have no treating medical relationship with her. This child has passed a fetus that is older than the limit the drug is licensed for. This child may bleed to death, die from sepsis, or permanently injure her ability to have children when she is "ready to be a mom".

This 15-year old child cannot legally consent to sex in many states, so this pregnancy could be the result of statutory rape, stranger rape, or domestic violence rape. The fetus is evidence of a crime. This child is a crime victim being told by an unknown adult to keep this a secret.

Fetal remains are human remains and subject to laws regarding disposition. Telling this child to flush human remains down the toilet is telling her to commit a crime. In this example, the girl asks if she can "throw it away". The article is not clear about the answer.

This child has parents or guardians who are denied the right to seek appropriate health care, psychological care, and moral guidance as they see fit, but they are legally responsible for her injury or death.

If this were my kid, I'd move heaven and earth to prosecute them for anything that sticks.



A doctor answers panicked calls
Linda Prine was answering a few emails, coffee mug in hand, when her cellphone rang.
“Hi, this is the hotline doctor,” the 72-year-old said from her New York City home one Sunday morning in January. “Can I help you?”

The voice Prine heard was quiet and scared — belonging to a 15-year-old with an area code in a state with an abortion ban who had taken pills and passed a fetus larger than she’d expected.

Unable to flush the fetus down the toilet, the girl asked about throwing it away.
She was young enough to be Prine’s granddaughter.

Prine cradled the phone in both hands and leaned in, trying to channel every ounce of reassurance and understanding she could muster through the phone line.

“There’s nothing in there that’s traceable back to you,” she said. “As long as you don’t tell anybody.”
The girl asked if the abortion made her a

.

 

[Griz3752]

True. BUT, they can give out birth control AND refer kids to transgender clinics, both without parental knowledge or consent.

Right and/but we know who wrote/enacted those laws.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Right and/but we know who wrote/enacted those laws.

That doesn’t matter within the scope of this discussion.

 

[Countrymouse]

Of course not, but it does indicate the power of the problem you're struggling against.

Abortion is not some new invention resulting from the 60's sexual revolution. Like the sexual abuse of children, it goes as far back as we have records, and it will continue as far into the future as we can see. Every generation will have to fight.

I never said it was.

The 60's have nothing to do with it.

The initial lie used to deceive man--"Yeah, hath God really said....???" was spoken to the first mother (to-be).

And he is STILL whispering to her his lies............

 

[helen]

This issue has nothing to do with abortion.

Anyone can mess with a kid's reproductive system and mind without parental consent. A pedophile tells a kid to keep sexual abuse secret. I see no difference.