If the Prime Minister Has A Secret Service equivalent they must be going nuts right now!More odd diagnosis from- this reporter says that this driver that tested (+) for
#SARSCoV2 drove around the media group that specifically follows and covers Japanese Prime Minister Abe.
Im ok with that, but they can do it without a convention, Trump wont need one, he will get better than 99% of the votes for him to run again, the dems, just go with no convention, use the primary votes strait from the states, then the election,guess your just gonna have to risk voting, mabye increase the voting sites, where I vote, has mabye 300 voters, so plenty of room for gaps between voters
I've wondered if it's been here already. My whole family picked up something around Christmas and were sick off and on for a month. We'd get better and then a couple days later we got sick again. I have scars in my lungs so if my lungs start to feel stuffy I bust out the nebulizer before it gets bad. I used duoneb, then mucomyst and when I was at my worst I put colloidal silver in it. I also used a sinus rinse and added some silver to that when my sinuses were bothering me.
If that is true then why did Old as Dirt almost die from food poisoning last year at a church supper and why every virus that comes along goes to church on Sun. and she gets it. Just wondering why God gave us good sense if we arn't supposed to use it.
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More odd diagnosis from- this reporter says that this driver that tested (+) for#SARSCoV2 drove around the media group that specifically follows and covers Japanese Prime Minister Abe.
The SARS name is the virus. The COVID name is the disease. It is like the names HIV/AIDS
I have been wondering about the response level in all countries. This came out of a BSL-4 lab, and I thought it was identified as a BSL-4 infectious agent. Yet, contrasting to when ebola hit the US and all the complete bio-suits and the talk of only having 24 (?) Bio level 4 hospital beds in the whole country, what I see being done makes no sense. Unless of course the purpose is to spread it.
Would We Still Have Power & Water If We Had A Massive Coronavirus Quarantine In The US?
by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Monday, 02/17/2020 - 20:45
Authored by Selco Begovic and Daisy Luther via The Organic Prepper blog,
How long do you think a pandemic quarantine could go on with power, running water, the internet, and trash pick-up continuing to run as normal?
If Covid-19 (also known as the Wuhan coronavirus or nCoV-2019) were to spread where you live as it has in China, it’s possible that extreme measures could be taken. Possibly even a China-style lockdown, where people are told to stay in their homes and where businesses are closed. I’m referring to something much more extreme than just a handful of us self-isolating.
While I certainly hope such a situation is unlikely, it’s something we should all consider a possibility and get prepared for, just in case. Considering whether or not this would be an off-grid scenario would play an extremely important part in your preparations.
Selco and I had a very interesting chat about this after I’d raised the point in a group discussion. I thought you might be interested in our thoughts. Of course, there’s no way to know exactly how this might go down, so it’s pure speculation on our part based on the research of similar situations, knowledge of our systems, and personal experiences.
Would we have utilities and services during a quarantine scenario?
Daisy’s Thoughts
A lot of things are automated, which makes me believe we could potentially have a month or two of relative normalcy with regard to utilities, even if folks aren’t going to work. Garbage pickup would be another matter.
First things first, electrical power, natural gas, water, and the internet could run a long time automatically or with just a bit of input from someone on a computer. A pandemic isn’t going to fry our circuitry like an EMP would, for example. There’s nothing general-infrastructure-wise that would immediately compromise these utilities.
But this assumes that everything besides the pandemic is smooth sailing – that we won’t have any tornadoes, any hurricanes, any blizzards, any earthquakes, unfortunate bolts of lightning, or accidents. And it also omits manmade problems like riots that damage the infrastructure or even deliberate sabotage.
In a full-on pandemic, there’s likely going to be nobody to go out there and repair potential damage. And it’s possible that even if people were willing, they might not have access to the necessary supplies or equipment if these are items that they get on a “just-in-time” basis.
As for water, it could run for a long time but it might not be safe to drink. We’d need to be alert that there’s nobody there testing the tap water and adding chemicals. I don’t love chemicals like fluoride in my water but I do love essential chemicals better than I like amoebic dysentery and shigellosis and cholera. That being said, even if the water wasn’t drinkable right from the tap, it would certainly make life easier if folks not on septic systems could still flush their toilets, and water could be purified in a multitude of different ways.
The government would want utilities to remain functional.
Also, the government is going to WANT people to have utilities in the event of any kind of quarantine. People who can zone out in front of the television or play video games are going to be a lot tamer and easier to manage than people who are detoxing from their cell phones and Facebook and 24-7 television. If there’s a way to keep the lights on, I feel fairly confident the government would prefer that.
Karl Marx once said religion was the opiate of the masses. These days, I think television and Netflix wear that crown.
It also makes it easier for them to whisper sweet nothings of propaganda into our homes. “Don’t worrrryyyyy. It’s going to be okaaayyyyy. We’re here to heeelllppp.”
Governments love stuff like that.
Garbage pick-up
Garbage pick-up is another matter, and a very worrisome one. If we’re all confined to our homes, who is going to pick up the trash? Will garbage collectors be issued protective suits? It’s even possible that the military would be called in to perform tasks like this due to the risk of trash that could spread disease.
I’d imagine that out of all things, garbage would be one of the most likely to contain infectious materials – tissues from runny noses, paper plates folks have eaten from, all the stuff possible infected people had touched.
In videos from China, I haven’t seen a lot of trash piling up, so there, it appears that particular system is still running.
However, trash pick-up is what I would expect to be the first thing to go.
Will it come to this?
This is not a question that anyone could definitively answer.
It’s just like the utilities. What are the concurrent factors? What would have to happen for this to blow up and explode across the US as it has in China? What would have to happen to stop it from doing that? What are the wild card events that could hasten the spread? (Mutation, the holidays, another illness spreading that weakens immune systems, a disaster that compromises us to the point we can’t shelter in place?)
Because of the potential for this, we should focus on being prepared. (This book is an excellent resource specific to the Wuhan coronavirus.)
Could it happen? Yes.
Will it happen? Nobody knows.
Would we have utilities and services during a quarantine scenario?
Selco’s Thoughts
A good question is what would happen with electric power and all other utilities once the SHTF.
And yes answer is not simple. It is based on type of event and severity of the event, but I think we can have some good guesses about it.
Utilities
Power, running water, communications (internet, cell phones…) and similar utilities up to waste management in all modern societies are brought to an advanced level of functioning.
All that is so “modernized” in a way that most of us usually do not notice or actually do not care how it is being delivered to us. People don’t care how these things work.
I also do not know in depth how all that works, but I know that most of the utilities today are being brought to us in a very automated and interconnected way.
So, as a result, it works good, until it does not.
I think the price for that is the fact that when ONE thing goes out soon another thing will go out too. Even if something goes out FAR from you, it may still mean it easily may go out at your home.
Maintenance
Do not forget, things (services) no matter how modernized need to be maintained, so, if there are no people around to do maintenance, services will not work.
It depends on how bad the event is, and the control the government has over the event, and the society in which the event happening. It is a question of are people gonna be there to maintain services.
As an example, if some serious event is happening, are people willing to go maintain services or they are more willing to go home and protect their loved ones? They are all just humans, do not forget.
People
Also, if there is still a system functioning, the government or some kind of system, does it have enough power to FORCE people to maintain services? People will want to go home to their families.
The important fact is: if the event happening here is serious enough to bring problems to utility services, it is probably serious enough to make other services like the police force or medical services no longer working. So, as a result, the security situation will be deteriorated, so that is another obvious reason why people would want to be more with their families instead of at their job.
A deteriorating situation with utilities will usually go with a deteriorating situation in behavior between people, so it is not like our only problem will be city services and everything else will be fine at home (and safe).
Now, this all may be different in different scenarios, I am talking about a complete or partial collapse of system.
The system
In what kind of system you are living?
Is that system going to implement very harsh measures in order to maintain “things going on”?
You can not compare a probable situation in your country with a situation happening in another country if the systems are completely different.
If you are living in a system where you were raised to trust blindly in it, without too many freedoms (or any), with very hard punishments for not obeying, it may result in a very disciplined response in hard situations, both because of mentality of people and also because of fear from punishment. China has that kind of system.
In the end, I do not have a clue how long utilities would last in your case wherever you are. I know in my case, the system and utilities would fall apart in a matter of a few weeks, and people would simply go home to their families because through experience, they know our system is fragile. They know it does not care for people, and it can turn against us very fast. And also people are kinda ready to survive without the help of the system. Or at least they are ready to try.
You alone can figure that how things would work in your case.
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something in this pic bothered me, then I figured it out, WTF is with all the front end loaders? is it getting so bad the need this for the bodies? well mabye not. but they dont belong on a dock like that.46 min ago
South Korea is sending a presidential plane to Japan to retrieve citizens
From CNN's Yoonjung Seo in Seoul
The quarantined ship Diamond Princess is pictured through barbed wire at Yokohama port in Yokohama, near Tokyo Monday, February 17. Mayuko Isobe/Kyodo News/AP
South Korea's government plans to send a third presidential aircraft to Japan Tuesday afternoon, local time, to repatriate its citizens from the Diamond Princess cruise ship who wish to return, according to a new release from Vice Minister of Health and Welfare, Kim Gang-lip.
Seoul is in consultation with Tokyo to work on specifics, according to the news release.
Currently, nine South Korean passengers and five crew members are on the ship.
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Seeing the tremendous costs involved with luxury liners - OMG!
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From A Doc On The WuFlu
From A Doc On The WuFlu
Posted on February 17, 2020 | Leave a comment
With the caveat noted:
Below is the email I sent to my family earlier today. They aren’t as up on current events so there is some background that may be redundant for your readers.
There is a tremendous amount of uncertainty surrounding this entire situation. So take this with whatever sized grain of salt you deem appropriate.
Subject: COVID-19
So, the Wuhan coronavirus.
COVID-19, it’s now called. This particular virus originated with bats (although some argue that a bioweapons lab was involved), then combined with a prior dangerous human virus and crossed over to humans.
It’s spread by “airborne” transmission, meaning droplets small enough to float in the air for several hours. All airborne diseases are very contagious, and this is no exception. It’s spread exponentially in China and has shut down a substantial fraction of that country, with 400 million people in quarantine. Unfortunately, it has up to a 24 day incubation period, can be spread by people when they are completely asymptomatic, and once sick, patients are sick for about 2-3 weeks. So this quarantine will be in place for quite some time, months at least.
There are official data but no one believes them. There is a massive disparity between words and actions. The data they put out suggests that it is serious but not catastrophic, but they are acting like it’s the second coming of the Black Death. Very draconian measures have been put into place–like welding apartment complex doors shut. It has spread to many other countries including the US, but it’s not really taken hold anywhere else just yet – that we know of.
This virus is about 30x as dangerous as the standard flu, as far as we can tell. Of course, this all depends on data from the Chinese government, see paragraph above. They claim about 2-3% of the people that get it die, but I’d regard that as the low end estimate, given how crazy the Chinese have been about quarantine.
There is no established treatment nor vaccine for this virus. There are a host of ongoing clinical trials but so far the only thing that seems to make any difference is to transfuse serum from someone who survived, into sick folks.
Avoidance is key.
Hospitals have special rooms, equipment, and protocols to help prevent transmission, all falling under the umbrella term “airborne precautions”. The rooms can’t be replicated at home, but some of the equipment and all of the protocols can be.
The equipment: masks, gloves at a minimum, as well as, gowns and face shields.
The protocols: See this link, and wash your hands all the time. If there is no soap or water around, alcohol hand sanitizer (see below) will do.
I will say that I have my doubts about the CDC recommendations. Every picture I have seen of the foreign medical personnel show them in full Tyvek suit, but the CDC recommends a lower level of protection.
This is similar to what happened during the Ebola scare, wherein everyone else used full pressurized “space suits” and the CDC recommended something obviously inadequate. So some grains of salt are required.
Specifics: A plain n95 or n100 mask will do, brand name not important. A Half-face mask with equivalent particulate filters will do. If you are made of money, a Powered Air Purifying Respirator (PAPR) is the best but wowza expensive.
Disposable gloves are great but in a real situation you will go through them like candy on Halloween. The heavy duty dishwashing gloves are as good and reusable.
Medical gowns are what is currently recommended by the CDC, and are helpful, but see the Tyvek suit comment above.
Hospitals use these disposable face shields. I prefer safety goggles, they are good for what ails you anyway. These are my favorites.
Almost anything that you usually use for cleaning will kill the Coronavirus. And clean you must, as the virus can live on surfaces for several hours. Lysol put up a nice page detailing (towards the bottom of the page) which of their products will kill the virus. Anything equivalent from any other company would do.
For handwashing, soap and water will do, alcohol based hand sanitizer with greater than 65% EtOH will also work. Of course if you need a skin burn then things like bleach will work as well.
Some practice in putting on and taking off the personal protective equipment is in order.
In terms of the overall impact, I lay out a couple of scenarios below. Others have done similar things.
– Best case scenario, for the USA: minimal if any medical impact, no panic, but a big recession in any fields that rely on Chinese imports or sales to China. China itself is already hurting, bigtime; that can’t help but impact the rest of the world.
– Most likely scenario, USA: moderate medical impact (meaning in some fashion the virus is contained, minimal mortality rate), at least some panic/unrest with a lot of people avoiding going outside. Probably a federally ordered semi-quarantine for at least a month or 2. This would cause the effects above, plus add a recession for anything that involves social interaction.
– Worst case: massive pandemic, virus uncontrolled. This would overwhelm the medical and social systems, and could kill as many as 3% of the population (around 9 million people). This would completely wreck the entire world economy and throw us into a prolonged full on Great Depression or worse.
So, assuming the utilities still work, preps for the most likely scenario above would include at least 2 months (24 day incubation plus 3 weeks sickness, rounded up) of the materials above, as well as whatever you use for 2 months. Food is high on the list, but 2 months worth of toilet paper, soap, shampoo, laundry detergent, diapers, etc.
The upside is that if you purchase any of the above, most will eventually get used over time. For example, I use the dust masks when cutting wood, and gloves for application of wood stain or glues. I have a set of safety goggles for woodworking too, so this isn’t too much of a jump. The medical isolation gowns are pretty much useless for anything other than, well, medical isolation.
Nothing here is a guarantee. There is so much uncertainty involved in this that it’s hard to make predictions, other than the Chinese economy tanking (since that’s already happening, that’s a gimme).
But having at least some protection and a plan is better than being caught flat-footed when there is a run on medical supplies and long-term food.
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Oh, man, church potlucks are notorious for food poisoning incidents. We had one here recently where the lady left some potato dish sit out overnight. LOTS of sick folks over that one.
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It seemed that in Nebraska, they were only treating the guy with active symptoms with biosecurity. The cases that tested positive but were asymptomatic were not. Don't they listen to the Chinese physicians who have said that it is infectious in the asymptomatic state? Isn't the Diamond Princess enough proof of that?
Coronavirus evacuees may be sent to southern Monterey County
Camp Roberts may be used to quarantine those with symptoms
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Coronavirus evacuees may be sent to southern Monterey County
Camp Roberts may be used to quarantine those with symptoms
The Monterey County Health Department has said there is a possibility Camp Roberts in south Monterey County will be used to quarantine coronavirus patients from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan.
There no certainty at this time that passengers with the novel coronavirus named COVID-19 will be arriving at Camp Roberts, but county officials have been advised by state and federal authorities to prepare for the possibility that passengers who test positive for COVID-19 but no longer require hospitalization may be sent to Camp Roberts for the remainder of their isolation period.
“We understand that a federal team will provide the staffing, food, and medical care at Camp Roberts,” said Dr. Edward Moreno, Monterey County health officer. “The Monterey County Health Department is working to ensure that we protect the health and well-being of Monterey County residents.”
There are currently no cases of COVID-19 in Monterey County, and the risk to residents remains low.
Camp Roberts is a military training base in central California, located in both San Luis Obispo and Monterey counties.
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The wet market is 900 feet from the lab. Occam's Razor says it was a $2-a-day security guard selling lab animals for some $$$ on the side. Or, classic Chinese lack-of-quality in their BSL4 procedures.
Oh sure, iffin ya wanna go and be all logical and everything.
forgive the levity. Some days, it's just the only tool left in the box.
