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[Tom McDowell]

More outbreak details emerge as COVID-19 cases top 70,000

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As cases passed the 70,000 mark today, China published a detailed picture of its COVID-19 outbreak, which now shows signs of declining; however, officials warned cases could rebound as people return to work and school after the extended Lunar New Year break.

In other developments, the number of infected people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan continued to soar, as infections were detected in 14 Americans who were just evacuated from the ship.

Large epi study notes 14% severe rate
China's report on the outbreak's epidemiologic patterns covers all COVID-19 cases reported through Feb 11 and appears in the China CDC Weekly, a publication that is similar to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

The team analyzed more than 72,000 patient records, of which 44,672 were lab-confirmed cases, 16,186 suspected cases, 10,567 clinically diagnosed cases, and 889 asymptomatic cases. Of the confirmed cases, 80.9% cases were mild, and the vast majority (86.6%) of confirmed cases were in people ages 30 to 79 years old.

About 14% of the illnesses were severe, which included pneumonia and shortness of breath, and about 5% have critical disease, marked by respiratory failure, septic shock, and multi-organ failure. The overall case fatality rate was 2.3%, and of 1,023 deaths included in the study, the majority were in people age 60 and older or those with underlying medical conditions.

Epidemiologic curve analysis shows a common source pattern in December, which shifted to a propagated source pattern starting in early January, which the researchers said might reflect several zoonotic events at the outbreak market in Wuhan.

Around Jan 23 to Jan 26, the epidemic peaked and began to decline, according to the data.

Though 1,716 healthcare workers were infected in the outbreak, 5 of them fatally, there is no evidence of super-spreader events in healthcare facilities caring for COVID-19 cases, the group wrote. Those events were hallmarks of outbreaks involving severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV). So far, it's not clear if the difference is due to the virus or prevention tactics, they noted.

China's massive control measures, which started on Jan 23 with limiting travel in and out of Wuhan, slowed China's epidemic and its spread to the rest of the world, the authors note. But they warn that officials need to prepare for the epidemic to rebound when huge numbers of people in China return to work and school.

Caution urged in interpreting outbreak decline

At a media telebriefing today, World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, PhD, said the new data from China gives health officials a better understanding about the affected age range, the severity of the disease, and the mortality rate, which he said helps the WHO deliver evidence-based guidance to countries.

However, he said the report's indication of a decline in cases should be interpreted with caution. "Trends can change as new populations are affected," he said. "It's too early to tell if this reported decline will continue. Every scenario is still on the table."

Tedros said relatively few cases have been reported in children, but more research is needed to understand why. Though the new report fills in some gaps for understanding the outbreak, others remain. He added that the international expert team is now on the ground in China to answer more questions and to get an even clearer picture of the outbreak.

China's National Health Commission today reported 2,048 new cases, a slight increase from the 2,009 it reported yesterday. It also reported 628 fewer severe cases as it adjusts those totals and 105 more deaths. The country's totals now stand at 70,548 cases, 10,644 severe cases, and 1,770 deaths.

Cruise ship cases grow by 99
Japan's health ministry today reported that 99 more people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship have tested positive, raising the total to 454. The ship has been quarantined in Yokohama port since Feb 3.

Meanwhile, the US State Department said it evacuated more than 300 US citizens and their family members who had been on the Diamond Princess, and all were evaluated by medical officials from the Department of Health and Human Services and deemed asymptomatic and fit to fly.

However, between getting off the ship and heading for the airport in Japan, US officials learned that 14 passengers who had been tested 2 or 3 days earlier were positive for COVID-19. They were moved to a specialized part of the aircraft and isolated according to standard protocol.

The whole group flew back to the United States, with passengers slated to arrive at either Travis Air Force Base in California or Joint Base San Antonio in Texas.

In other developments in Japan, the country's health ministry reported two more local cases, one involving a health ministry official who worked as a liaison on the Diamond Princess and the other a nurse who worked at a hospital near Tokyo, where she took care of a woman in her 80s who died from the disease, Kyodo News reported today.

Singapore, UAE report more cases
Singapore's health ministry today reported 2 more cases, raising its total to 77. The patients include an individual who was evacuated from Wuhan on Feb 9 and a person who is a contact of an earlier case.

The United Arab Emirates (UAE) health ministry yesterday reported 1 more COVID-19 case, which involves a 37-year-old Chinese man. The infection brings the UAE's total to 9, of whom 3 have recovered and 6 are still receiving treatment, 1 of them in an intensive care unit.

Gene analysis debunks lab-made claims
In a preprint publication yesterday, an international group of virologists detailed the evidence that the virus that causes COVID-19 is not lab made or artificially manipulated.

Based on their analysis of the genome, they described its notable features and scenarios that likely led to its evolution. They proposed two scenarios: natural selection in a host animal before the virus jumped to humans, or natural selection in humans following transmission from animals to people.

They also looked at whether selection during passage in culture could have produced the same genetic features they observed.



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[jward]

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline



The tables below show confirmed cases of coronavirus (2019-nCoV, officially known as SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19) in China and other countries. To see a distribution map and a timeline, scroll down. There are currently 73,333 confirmed cases worldwide, including 1,873 fatalities.
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Last update: 17 February 2020 at 9:05 p.m. ET

MAINLAND CHINA	Cases	Deaths	Notes	Links
Hubei province (includes Wuhan)	59,989	1,789	9,117 serious, 1,853 critical	Source
Guangdong province	1,322	4	60 serious, 30 critical	Source
Henan province	1,246	16	35 serious, 33 critical	Source
Zhejiang province	1,171	0	48 serious, 25 critical	Source
Hunan province	1,006	3	57 serious	Source
Anhui province	973	6	12 critical	Source
Jiangxi province	930	1	38 serious	Source
Jiangsu province	626	0	6 serious, 4 critical	Source
Chongqing	551	5	37 serious, 13 critical	Source
Shandong province	541	2	16 serious, 14 critical	Source
Sichuan province	495	3	15 critical	Source
Heilongjiang province	457	11	73 serious	Source
Beijing	381	4	10+ serious	Source
Shanghai	331	1	14 serious, 4 critical	Source
Tianjin	125	3		Source
Other regions	2,215	15		Source
Undisclosed	77	5		Source
TOTAL	72,436	1,868	11,741 serious 12,552 recovered 6,242 suspected

OTHER PLACES	Cases	Deaths	Notes	Links
Diamond Princess	454	0	19 serious, 17 recovered	Source
Singapore	77	0	4 critical, 24 recovered	Source
Japan	66*	1	1 serious	Source
Hong Kong	60	1	5 critical, 2 serious, 1 recovered	Source
Thailand	35	0	2 serious, 15 recovered	Source
South Korea	31	0	12 recovered	Source
Malaysia	22	0	8 recovered	Source
Taiwan	22	1	2 recovered	Source
Australia	15	0	10 recovered	Source
Germany	16	0	3 recovered	Source
Vietnam	16	0	7 recovered	Source
United States	15	0	3 recovered	Source
France	12	1	4 recovered	Source
Macau	10	0	5 recovered	Source
United Kingdom	9	0	8 recovered	Source
Canada	8	0	1 recovered	Source
UAE	9	0	1 serious, 3 recovered	Source
Philippines	3	1	2 recovered	Source
India	3	0	3 recovered	Source
Italy	3	0	2 serious	Source
Russia	2	0	2 recovered	Source
Spain	2	0	2 recovered	Source
Nepal	1	0	1 recovered	Source
Cambodia	1	0	1 recovered	Source
Sri Lanka	1	0	1 recovered	Source
Finland	1	0	1 recovered	Source
Sweden	1	0		Source
Belgium	1	0	1 recovered	Source
Egypt	1	0		Source
TOTAL	897	5	36 serious/critical

Notes

• Hubei province, China: The numbers include clinically-diagnosed cases, which means they were not confirmed by laboratory testing.
• Japan: The total includes 4 asymptomatic cases, which are not included in the government’s official count.
• Japan: The 454 people from the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship are listed separately and they are not included in the Japanese government’s official count. Fourteen of them are Americans whose test results came in while they were being evacuated from the ship. 181 were asymptomatic.
• Diamond Princess: The total does not include 2 employees of Japan’s Health Ministry, who were infected while working on the ship.
• North Korea: Unconfirmed reports about 1, 5, or 7 cases in North Korea cannot be verified. If cases are confirmed by the North Korean government, they will be added to this list.

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

The table below shows cases of coronavirus (officially known as SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, or 2019-nCoV) around the world. Each figure is verified by our team through local health departments or local media. A distribution map and a timeline with a list of recent updates can be found below the table...

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[Troke]

I can see a time coming when all church services are live streamed, with no one in the actual audience.

The Catholic Bishop of Hong Kong ordered no more Masses. Times are getting serious.

 

[jward]

part two

Timeline (GMT)
18 February

• 01:01: 1 new case in South Korea. (Source)

17 February

• 23:59: China’s National Health Commission reports 77 new cases and 5 new deaths across the mainland, excluding Hubei province. Their locations have not yet been disclosed. Compared to yesterday, there were 79 new cases and 5 new deaths outside Hubei province. (Source)
• 22:49: 1,807 new cases and 93 new deaths in Hubei province, China. (Source)
• 14:06: 2 new cases in Taiwan. (Source)
• 13:40: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 12:16: 3 new cases in Hong Kong. (Source)
• 12:10: 2 new cases in Singapore. (Source)
• 08:58: 85 new cases in Japan. They were found on the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship off Yokohama, raising the ship’s total to 454. The 14 other cases mentioned in the article (99 total) were reported at 06:55. (Source)
• 07:14: 4 new cases in Wakayama Prefecture, Japan. (Source)
• 06:55: 14 new cases in Japan. They are Americans whose test results came in while they were being evacuated from the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship off Yokohama. This raises the ship’s total to 369. (Source)
• 05:30: 1 new case in Thailand. (Source)
• 03:04: 1 new case in Tianjin, China. (Source)
• 02:51: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 02:35: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 01:15: 6 new cases and 2 new deaths in Guangdong province, China. The deaths were previously disclosed by China’s National Health Commission. (Source)
• 01:11: 4 new cases in Zhejiang province, China. (Source)
• 01:08: 5 new cases in Jiangxi province, China. (Source)
• 01:00: 1 new case in South Korea. (Source)
• 01:00: 9 new cases in Jiangsu province, China. (Source)
• 00:59: China’s National Health Commission reports 34 new cases and 2 new deaths across the mainland, excluding Hubei province. Their locations have not yet been disclosed. Compared to yesterday’s national update, there were 115 new cases and 5 new deaths outside Hubei province. (Source)
• 00:44: 2 new cases in Hunan province, China. (Source)
• 00:43: 1 new case in Beijing. (Source)
• 00:30: 11 new cases in Anhui province, China. (Source)
• 00:29: 14 new cases in Sichuan province, China. (Source)
• 00:24: 15 new cases and 3 new deaths in Henan province, China. (Source)
• 00:09: 4 new cases in Shandong province, China. (Source)

16 February

• 23:58: 12 new cases in Heilongjiang province, China. (Source)
• 23:39: 3 new cases in Shanghai. (Source)
• 22:50: 4 new cases in Chongqing, China. (Source)
• 22:48: 1,933 new cases and 100 new deaths in Hubei province, China. (Source)
• 19:30: 1 new case in the United Arab Emirates. (Source)
• 12:50: 3 new cases in Singapore. (Source)
• 11:01: 2 new cases and 1 new death in Taiwan. (Source 1, Source 2)
• 10:29: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 10:22: 5 new cases in Japan. (Source)
• 09:20: 1 new case in Hong Kong. (Source)
• 07:05: 2 new cases in Tianjin, China. (Source)
• 07:00: 3 new cases in Chongqing, China. (Source)
• 02:15: 5 new cases in Beijing. (Source)
• 02:10: 13 new cases in Jiangsu province, China. (Source)
• 01:35: 70 new cases in Japan. They were found on the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship off Yokohama, raising the ship’s total to 355. (Source)
• 01:24: 12 new cases in Jiangxi province, China. (Source)
• 01:22: 12 new cases in Anhui province, China. (Source)
• 01:20: 3 new cases and 1 new death in Hunan province, China. The death was previously reported by China’s National Health Commission. (Source)
• 01:18: 5 new cases in Zhejiang province, China. (Source)
• 01:13: 22 new cases in Guangdong province, China. (Source)
• 01:05: 2 new cases in Shanghai. (Source)
• 01:01: 1 new case in South Korea. (Source)
• 00:55: 1 new case in Tianjin, China. (Source)
• 00:53: China’s National Health Commission reports 100 new cases and 1 new death on the mainland, excluding Hubei province. Their locations have not yet been released. Compared to yesterday’s national update, there were 166 new cases and 3 new deaths outside Hubei province. (Source)
• 00:44: 20 new cases in Heilongjiang province, China. (Source)
• 00:41: 11 new cases and 2 new deaths in Sichuan province, China. (Source)
• 00:10: 19 new cases in Henan province, China. (Source)
• 00:06: 5 new cases in Shandong province, China. (Source)

15 February

• 23:07: 6 new cases in Chongqing, China. (Source)
• 22:15: 1,843 new cases and 139 new deaths in Hubei province, China. (Source)
• 20:34: 1 new case in France. (Source)
• 15:55: 1 new case in Malaysia. Former passenger of the Westerdam cruise ship. (Source)
• 13:01: 5 new cases in Singapore. (Source)
• 12:15: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 10:07: 2 new cases in Shandong province, China. (Source)
• 10:06: 1 new case in Chongqing, China. (Source)
• 10:05: First death in France, first in Europe. (Source)
• 09:05: 8 new cases in Japan. (Source)
• 08:47: 67 new cases in Japan. They were found on the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship off Yokohama, raising the ship’s total to 285. (Source)
• 07:03: 2 new cases in Japan. The third case in the article was previously reported. (Source)
• 06:05: 1 new case in Thailand. (Source)
• 05:19: 2 new cases in Malaysia. (Source)
• 04:30: 3 new cases and 1 new death in Beijing. The death was previously reported by the National Health Commission. (Source)
• 04:18: 1 new case in Tianjin, China. (Source)
• 03:18: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 02:33: 7 new cases in Sichuan province, China. (Source)
• 02:25: 7 new cases in Shandong province, China. (Source)
• 02:20: 11 new cases in Jiangsu province, China. (Source)
• 02:02: 13 new cases in Jiangxi province, China. (Source)
• 02:00: 16 new cases in Anhui province, China. (Source)
• 01:55: 13 new cases in Hunan province, China. (Source)
• 01:52: 7 new cases in Zhejiang province, China. (Source)
• 01:51: 28 new cases in Henan province, China. (Source)
• 01:04: 33 new cases in Guangdong province, China. (Source)
• 00:10: China’s National Health Commission reports 193 new cases and 3 new deaths on the mainland, excluding Hubei province. Their locations have not yet been disclosed. When compared to the previous day, there were 221 new cases and 4 new deaths outside Hubei province. (Source)

14 February

• 23:45: 8 new cases in Shanghai. (Source)
• 23:35: 7 new cases in Heilongjiang province, China. (Source)
• 23:30: 5 new cases in Chongqing, China. (Source)
• 23:10: 2,420 new cases and 139 new deaths in Hubei province, China. (Source)
• 21:10: 1 new presumptive confirmed case in BC, Canada. (Source)
• 17:00: First case in Egypt. (Source)
• 14:03: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 14:00: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 13:54: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 13:50: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 11:05: 9 new cases in Singapore. (Source)
• 10:09: 2 new cases in Japan. (Source)
• 09:15: 3 new cases in Hong Kong. (Source)
• 08:47: 3 new cases and 1 new death in Chongqing, China. (Source)
• 08:02: 4 new cases in Shandong province, China. (Source)
• 07:51: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 03:25: China’s National Health Commission reports 267 new cases and 5 new deaths on the mainland, excluding Hubei province. Hubei Province deducted 108 prior deaths from the death toll due to double counting. (Source)
• 00:43: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)

13 February

• 23:45: 4,823 new cases and 116 new deaths in Hubei province, China. 1,043 cases which were previously reported were deducted from the government’s figures. (Source)
• 14:50: 3 new cases in Hong Kong. (Source)
• 15:10: 1 new case in the United States. First in Texas. (Source)
• 12:40: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 11:55: 1 new case, a fatality, in Japan. This is the first death in Japan. (Source 1)
• 11:36: 8 new cases in Singapore. (Source)
• 11:15: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 10:13: 1 new case in Malaysia. (Source)
• 09:05: 1 new case in Japan. (Source)
• 08:15: China’s National Health Commission reports 312 new cases and 12 new deaths on the mainland, excluding Hubei province. (Source)
• 05:15: 1 new case in Vietnam. (Source)
• 03:10: 44 new cases in Japan. They were found on the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship off Yokohama, raising the ship’s total to 218. (Source)
• 00:25: 1 new case in California, United States. (Source)

12 February

• 23:48: 14,840 new cases, including clinically diagnosed cases, and 242 new deaths in Hubei province, China. (Source)
• 18:53: 1 new case in the United Kingdom. (Source)
• 08:24: 1 new case in Hong Kong. (Source)
• 07:00: 3 new cases in Singapore. (Source)
• 02:53: 1 new case in Japan. It is one of the quarantine officers who was working on board the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship off Yokohama. This case is not included in the total for the ship’s passengers and crew. (Source)
• 02:14: China’s National Health Commission reports 377 new cases and 3 new deaths across the mainland, excluding Hubei province. The deaths were in Henan province, Hunan province, and Chongqing. (Source)

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Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

The table below shows cases of coronavirus (officially known as SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, or 2019-nCoV) around the world. Each figure is verified by our team through local health departments or local media. A distribution map and a timeline with a list of recent updates can be found below the table...

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[Seeker22]

Bill Gertz‏Verified account @BillGertz 8h8 hours ago

PLA general with bioweapons background takes lead role in Wuhan virus crisis

I'll take discourse management, containment, and sweep it under the rug for a thousand, Alex.
This right here is a big dot.

 

[marsh]

Confusingly, fourteen of the folks who were evacuated from the Diamond Princess back to the U.S. today, tested positive for the virus; IIRC thirteen of them were not displaying any symptoms. It's almost like, "I got COVID19, and all I got was this stupid T-shirt."

We keep coming across accounts of non-Chinese patients dealing with this bug pretty easily. What gives? Is WuFlu THAT specific a bug? How is it that we see such a calamity in China and not outside? (Although Japan appears to be in danger) Something just doesn't add up.

I have also come across many accounts of people who talk about getting pretty sick in November/December/January, going to the doc to be tested for Influenza, and getting negative test results (sometimes multiple NEG results). Then they go home and fight it off, although sometimes it takes a few weeks...

My wife runs a LARGE children's ministry, so she has a really good finger on the pulse of our town. She mentioned at the end of December and through a bunch of January, that it seemed like EVERYONE was sick. It wasn't Influenza. We had some families that didn't come to church for a month. I picked it up in the last week of December, and it made me cough the hardest I have ever coughed - I actually burst some capillaries in my face a couple of times... Did "we" already get hit with WuFlu? As virulent as it is, I can't see how it wouldn't have spread far and wide while air travel from China was still unimpeded during Nov/Dec/Jan.

Crazy.

The current test is generally a back of the throat swab. The virus settles in the lower part of the lungs, so may not show in concentrated amounts in the throat. They have to go further down to get a better sample.

The virus also has a feature of suppressing the reaction of antibodies to attack it for a while. This is why people can get thrown for a loop when they suddenly get really bad shortness of breath and dry coughing. (The lower lung infection can result in an unproductive cough where no mucous comes up containing the virus.) The virus can also infect the lining of the small intestine causing some nausea and diarrhea. When it moves into the blood vessels, it can inflame the lining of the vessels - this can effect the heart and other organs.

They are now thinking that mild cases may have triggered the production of antibodies, so when re-infection occurs, it triggers a "cytokine storm" where the body attacks not only the disease, but indiscriminately goes after healthy tissue as well.

I am not a medical professional. This is just what I have garnered from watching videos and reading many articles. Anyone, please jump in and correct me where I am wrong.

 

[pops88]

Re: Disappearing items-

Several weeks ago I was looking at copper nasal tools, the main one being Copperzap, on Amazon. I went back to Amazon to look again to order a couple after the posts here on copper, and they're gone, or hidden. No matter what I put into "search" they didn't come up- not the trademarked or off brands. I ordered a few 100% copper tongue scrappers as they can be improvised.

 

[Oreally]

How can they possibly hold either of the conventions this year????

or. for that matter, the election?

upshot: national emergency , DJT stays POTUS...indefinitely!

 

[naegling62]

I'll take discourse management, containment, and sweep it under the rug for a thousand, Alex.
This right here is a big dot.

Maybe. There are two ways to look at this information:

1). It's a bio-weapon so send in the bio-weapon team to mop up.

Or

2). Who better to tackle the results of a war with a natural occuring virus than the bio-weapons team.

 

[Seeker22]

except.....if the political/military response comes in the process. We can and should prepare wisely for the virus, but one should also realize a military response (nukes) could come as iceing on the cake.

Thanks to Shane, we should all be prepped for that, too.

 

[rondaben]

AUGUST??????

It crossed when I corrected. January.

 

[jward]

That's been my belief as well. That it's already here and circulating and most of the people getting it are getting mild or asymptomatic cases. But don't let that let your guard down. It can come back and you can get it again, and the 2nd time you get it is when it's more virulent. And it's still mutating out in the wild too so you can get another version of it. But my personal, non-medical, belief is that it's already been around here for at least a month if not two. No way we'd be insulated from it with all the international travel going on.

HD

I see this as a big gap in the knowledge base for myself--- when is there even a partial immunity conferred? What factors need be assessed to answer this, where are which genomes circulating now and what musten they meet and mingle with to preclude immunity in the next generations etc I haven't had time to search out any thoughts on this, but surely some of the initial sequencing is in by now?

I agree it's been global for quite a while- that probably predates this thread, even. Now the only question is can we manage the triage wisely enough to do the best by the biggest numbers. Wisdom of Solomon indeed. Hope someone has it.

 

[Tristan]

Sorry, haven't slept much 5he last few days.

JANUARY, not August. My bad!

Hopefully, you'll correct that situation soon. I've been hearing that the appropriate amount of sleep is one of the best ways of bolstering your immune system.

And frankly, we need ya here!

 

[Tom McDowell]

except.....if the political/military response comes in the process. We can and should prepare wisely for the virus, but one should also realize a military response (nukes) could come as iceing on the cake.

It really concerns me when I see the raw emotion these poor Chinese people emote - that they have the bomb.

Vegas anyone?

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[bassaholic]

They can and they do... Same way our intelligence agencies do it here.

They don't monitor every single person, they have computer scans for trigger words... Enough of the right verbiage in a conversation will merit a real person looking into what you are talking about and to whom you are sharing the info.

Maybe in a normal everyday environment they can watch for verbiage.

We are talking about Asians here. All they do is text/chat. No way possible they can monitor millions and millions of daily convo's in this kind of situation. Even if they can compile lists there would be no way to deal with each individual anytime soon.

You can also chat w/o using keywords...you know like "Hey are you guys OK there?".

Certainly one can chat and know how things are in a specific place.

 

[rondaben]

Hopefully, you'll correct that situation soon. I've been hearing that the appropriate amount of sleep is one of the best ways of bolstering your immune system.

And frankly, we need ya here!

Tonight I am! Hoping to hear about a new job this week.

 

[bw]

All they do is text/chat. No way possible they can monitor millions and millions of daily convo's in this kind of situation.

AI algorithms can handle millions in their sleep. Barely an inconvenience.

 

[summerthyme]

Some longtime prepping friends, that we'd bounced crisis/disaster scenarios off each other over the years,
have been sending me rather lengthy theories or videos of the possible, worst-case nefarious, origins of this
CoronaVirus. They want to debate the merits of them, but to all I'm pretty much responding the same for now...

I read it cause you’d asked, otherwise I wouldn’t have. I think it likely BS,
but I’ve been purposely avoiding reading/studying/debating theories of the
origin of this CoronaVirus, at this time. It’s low on my priorities of where to
expend my limited time & energy, right now.

I look at this current virus crisis like a forest fire raging towards my family.
I’m busy getting out of the way of it, and prepping to hunker down if I can’t.
Later, if we survived it, when I have more time, I’ll be more inclined to study
different theories of origin, whether it was natural occurrence (lightning strike)
or man-made, and whether then on purpose unleashed (fire bug) or accident.

Make sense?

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane

Absolutely agree! I'm using my limited energies (I spent 5 hours inventorying the med and hone health supplies- two legged and four- and just about had to crawl to bed (which would have been interesting with Maggie the Border Collie puppy trying to herd me- or lead me by my ear, as is her habit with the older dogs!). It reminded me why I have to get that MRI Friday evening (last appt of the day... not sure whether that's good or bad, but at least the waiting room should be empty). And I'm terrified they'll put surgery off until this virus makes it impossible. But the alternative coukd be worse.

So yeah.. I believe the story that 8t was an engineered virus at the Bio-4 lab in Wuhan, being experimented at least partly in bats. And when the low paid nephew of one of the doctors (who he got the job because the kid wasn't bright enough to sweep streets) hired to dispose of the dead (and maybe dying) lab animals (meaning carefully carry them to the incinerator... or maybe he didn't get thst much training) decides he coukd boost his meager salary by "disposing " of the bats at the l9cal "wet" market... well, the rest is history.

But at this point, I'm too busy working on our survival plans to spend a lot if time talking about it.

Summerthyme

 

[Mark D]

We are talking about Asians here. All they do is text/chat. No way possible they can monitor millions and millions of daily convo's in this kind of situation.

Ummm... No. You assumption is incorrect.

This would be a hilarious time for one of the Fusion Centers to chime in and say, "Yes. We can."

 

[northern watch]

Vincent Lee‏Verified account @Rover829 1m1 minute ago

Reuters: CHINA TRADE BODY SAYS SOME CUSTOMERS IN RUSSIA, TURKEY, MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA HAVE STOPPED ACCEPTING DELIVERIES OF CHINA METAL PRODUCTS AMID CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK

 

[Profit of Doom]

It really concerns me when I see the raw emotion these poor Chinese people emote - that they have the bomb.

Vegas anyone?

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Just finished the movie last night.

 

[raven]

What if the virus is never cured. The patient seems to recover but is still infected only to break out again and again

 

[bassaholic]

AI algorithms can handle millions in their sleep. Barely an inconvenience.

Handling messages is one thing. Doing something about it is another.

Then there's the majority of messages that do not activate certain verbiages being looked for.

 

[Tristan]

Nothing will keep me from church. The Lord will protect me in His house.

And hopefully, He will likewise protect everyone else in the church from you.

 

[northern watch]

michiyo ishida‏ @MichiyoCNA 37m37 minutes ago

Kyodo News Agency had close contact with #COVID19 infected taxi driver. 10 staff of the agency are under house quarantine--confirmed by Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga. They have shown no symptoms

Eric Feigl-Ding‏ @DrEricDing 23m23 minutes ago

Eric Feigl-Ding Retweeted Andy Sharp シャープ・アンディ

More odd diagnosis from

- this reporter says that this driver that tested (+) for #SARSCoV2 drove around the media group that specifically follows and covers Japanese Prime Minister Abe.

 

[Squid]

Not personal investment advice and I don’t sell gold.
Long rant you have been war

It’s broken.

The whole system is broken. We just don’t it yet. Even if everything in China was fixed overnight there would be disruptions, but it’s not over, so there will be disruptions, dislocations and shortages.

The market will have to adjust to the supply issues for subcomponents and finished goods. Large corporations that have to please investors or that have propped up their stock by borrowing money and buying shares to inflate the share price to provide for top executive bonuses could all decide collectively to clean house. It will be very tempting to ‘clean house’ in 1-2 bad quarters all blaming ‘Corona Virus.’ Bring all the years of hidden earning blemishes and throw it all in a basket of ‘not our fault it is Wu Flu’ earnings miss, write-offs, and one-time charges.

The adjustment may not be immediate, but retail was in trouble before the outbreak, do we think that in trouble plus no inventory will not push the borderline retailers into liquidation. Hell even the ‘good’ retailers should be impacted. The great tech sector builds all their gizmo’s where????

It’s not the end of the world but for many it will be bad. Heavy debt, plus job lay-offs feed into lower consumer consumption that causes more lay-offs that leads to desperation selling with the economy looking for a new level.

If China cannot restart in the next 2 weeks, this has the potential to get a little hectic economically speaking. Top executives are probably already making plans. Even if TPTB can prevent large outbreaks here in US and that is possible (we don’t have 10k plus during outbreak eating communal dinner sharing plates, and looking for cures for new virus with tea’s and folk remedies) how can we not be impacted.

If there is a large outbreak here expect the sheeple to panic as one all looking to buy the same thing at the same time. Add in the large percentage of our society that is expecting free stuff and to have gubmint take care of everything. Leftist activists like Antifa and all the various derivatives of communism will try to stoke riots and chaos for power or their love of destruction (Thank you democratic party).

Keep an eye on the herd, if they are quiet and docile might be a good time to get stuff quietly. If something causes them to panic that is the time to ignore the stores and just be home, maybe filling up on the way home.

Be safe and be well. Might be a good time to remember what and who are important.

Peace

 

[northern watch]

曾錚 Jennifer Zeng‏ @jenniferatntd 4h4 hours ago

曾錚 Jennifer Zeng Retweeted 曾錚 Jennifer Zeng

By the way, "spreading rumor" about #coronavirus #Epidemic can be sentenced to up to 15 years in Heilongjiang province. Chinese report here: http://www.bjnews.com.cn/news/2020/02/03/683860.html … #COVID2019 #CoronavirusOutbreak #coronaviruschina

 

[northern watch]

Bloomberg‏Verified account @business 36s36 seconds ago

China stock recovery nearing $1 trillion is now drawing skeptics

 

[bw]

Handling messages is one thing. Doing something about it is another. Then there's the majority of messages that do not activate certain verbiages being looked for.

AI algorithms can listen in on millions of conversations simultaneously, understand what is being said and whether interesting words are being used, and characterize the parties to the conversation as being harmless, angry, threatening, or whatever. Conversations that meet various filtering criteria can be sorted in order of urgency and relevance, and brought to the attention of human operators for further evaluation, even while the conversation is ongoing. This is child's play in the current computing world.

 

[bw]

And hopefully, He will likewise protect everyone else in the church from you.

Or perhaps Bicycle Junkie is the Lord's punishment for someone.

 

[jward]

Steve Herman
@W7VOA
1m

#ROK

economy facing emergency situation due to #coronavirus,
@moonriver365
tells his cabinet.

 

[Allotrope]

One thing that concerns me is mutation or gene swapping with some other corona-virus causing COVID-19 to transform to a more lethal form. Lethality does not matter to a virus unless it affects transmissibility. The most transmissible strain usually achieves predominance unless it kills very quickly. If COVID-19 kept the long incubation period but in later stage caused much stronger coughing and more viral load in aerosols, it could increase the R0 even with greater lethality. With the increasing number of infections, there is an increasing chance of mutation, and a change from 3% CFR to a much higher number is possible. Smallpox and the Plague were quite lethal but the contagion spread well. With the interconnectedness of the world today, I think lethality of a virus is less of a factor in its spread than in times past.

This works the other way as well. It could mutate to a nearly harmless form with a high R0 that would confer immunity to the current version as cowpox did for smallpox. I would guess though that milder symptoms would be less contagious and would allow the immune system to remove it more quickly, and that a lower R0 would result. One guess is that increased symptoms and lethality, which often go together, are the most favored course up to the point that lethality decreases transmission. Offsetting this, the common cold is a corona-virus with high R0 and does not seem to be getting more lethal over time. Perhaps a high R0 in COVID-19 is a good thing leaving little room for competition. The world really has not had many recent major pandemics as a guide to guess from and vaccines have helped prevent multi-year events.

 

[rondaben]

What if the virus is never cured. The patient seems to recover but is still infected only to break out again and again

Very possible. Like every other coronavirus that has ever existed.

 

[Ractivist]

And hopefully, He will likewise protect everyone else in the church from you.

I do believe an ass hole has spoken.

 

[bassaholic]

AI algorithms can listen in on millions of conversations simultaneously, understand what is being said and whether interesting words are being used, and characterize the parties to the conversation as being harmless, angry, threatening, or whatever. Conversations that meet various filtering criteria can be sorted in order of urgency and relevance, and brought to the attention of human operators for further evaluation, even while the conversation is ongoing. This is child's play in the current computing world.

Well, if my business colleagues that run large corps aren't worried about it then neither am I.

They seem fine chatting it up and are still kicking and free.

Will be business as usual come tomorrow for them and I.

 

[jward]

One thing that concerns me is mutation or gene swapping with some other corona-virus causing COVID-19 to transform to a more lethal form. Lethality does not matter to a virus unless it affects transmissibility. The most transmissible strain usually achieves predominance unless it kills very quickly. If COVID-19 kept the long incubation period but in later stage caused much stronger coughing and more viral load in aerosols, it could increase the R0 even with greater lethality. With the increasing number of infections, there is an increasing chance of mutation, and a change from 3% CFR to a much higher number is possible. Smallpox and the Plague were quite lethal but the contagion spread well. With the interconnectedness of the world today, I think lethality of a virus is less of a factor in its spread than in times past.

This works the other way as well. It could mutate to a nearly harmless form with a high R0 that would confer immunity to the current version as cowpox did for smallpox. I would guess though that milder symptoms would be less contagious and would allow the immune system to remove it more quickly, and that a lower R0 would result. One guess is that increased symptoms and lethality, which often go together, are the most favored course up to the point that lethality decreases transmission. Offsetting this, the common cold is a corona-virus with high R0 and does not seem to be getting more lethal over time. Perhaps a high R0 in COVID-19 is a good thing leaving little room for competition. The world really has not had many recent major pandemics as a guide to guess from and vaccines have helped prevent multi-year events.

Indeed. These things are on my mind too, but I've not seen anything come across my desk that even offers a glimpse to the answers of what this thing is doing. Guess for now I use my own eyes. Flu's nasty, numbers creeping up, no unexplained death or illnesses around here. :: shrug ::

 

[Tom McDowell]

46 min ago
South Korea is sending a presidential plane to Japan to retrieve citizens
From CNN's Yoonjung Seo in Seoul

The quarantined ship Diamond Princess is pictured through barbed wire at Yokohama port in Yokohama, near Tokyo Monday, February 17. Mayuko Isobe/Kyodo News/AP

South Korea's government plans to send a third presidential aircraft to Japan Tuesday afternoon, local time, to repatriate its citizens from the Diamond Princess cruise ship who wish to return, according to a new release from Vice Minister of Health and Welfare, Kim Gang-lip.

Seoul is in consultation with Tokyo to work on specifics, according to the news release.
Currently, nine South Korean passengers and five crew members are on the ship.

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Seeing the tremendous costs involved with luxury liners - OMG!

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[AlfaMan]

(This from about a week ago...lest we forget...good nuggets in here...)

Crisis in China Over Coronavirus: People Dragged From Homes, City Streets Sprayed, Bodies Being Cremated ’24/7′
By Heather Clark on February 11, 2020

WUHAN — Videos out of China have been described as “apocalyptic” as they show workers in Wuhan fighting the coronavirus by spraying city streets with disinfectant and authorities seizing for quarantine those who are suspected to have been exposed or infected. Reports also state that the government has required cremation of those who died from the virus so as to avoid spread, and funeral home employees are growing tired from the workload.

According to reports, the current death toll is over 1,000 with more than 42,000 cases being confirmed. The World Health Organization (WHO) held an event in Geneva on Tuesday to discuss the outbreak with some of the world’s top scientists.

ORIGIN AND SANITATION


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Joe Drake of the U.S.-based company Decon Seven, told Business Insider that he is familiar with the Wuhan wet market where the virus is stated to have first afflicted a human — and that it was not a sanitary situation.

“You have live fish, you have dead fish, you have other animals in there,” he explained. “There’s no hygiene standards. They just rinse things down with a garden hose. That doesn’t do anything. You’re just basically creating a bacteria soup.”

Following animal-to-human transmission, the virus, also known as 2019-nCoV, began to spread throughout January and February — turning into what some are now considering labeling a pandemic.

“Because the coronavirus is chiefly transmitted through respiratory droplets, which get passed around in an infected person’s spit and mucus, China has placed around 56 million people under quarantine, hoping that keeping people home, and having them wear masks when they go outside, will help prevent more virus spread,” Business Insider outlines.

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“But in cities and towns across Asia, sanitation workers are also redoubling efforts to spray down entire towns, sending trucks filled with low concentration bleach-and-water solutions into the streets, and dispatching hazmat-suited workers into train stations and malls to wipe every nook and cranny.”

Those who live in China have provided a glimpse into the current situation in the country, as a number of videos have been posted online, such as one showing sanitation workers in hazmat suits running through the streets with a billowing disinfectant. The video was also shared by People’s Daily, which created a compilation of clips showing various sterilization cannons and trucks in action in Wuhan.

SEIZURES OF THE POTENTIALLY INFECTED

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Another video shows at least two people entering some sort of box on the back of a truck while workers in hazmat suits shut the tailgate and then get into the vehicle to drive them away. Screams can be heard, whether coming from the box or those on the street.

A video also shows suited workers manhandling people in what appears to be an apartment building in Suzhou, including one man who resisted and was carried out of the residence and to the elevator by three men.

One video posted by 5 News Australia shows a family being forcefully being escorted to an ambulance, as they had reportedly been diagnosed with the coronavirus and were deemed a public health threat.

“Wuhan officials are now carrying out door-to-door health checks to identify potential carriers who would need to be isolated,” reports the Daily Mail. “[Vice Premier Sun Chunlan] demanded four types of people in Wuhan be put into mandatory isolation in quarantine stations: confirmed cases, suspected cases, people who have close contact with the former two, and those who have fever.”

One emotional video shows nurse Liu Haiyan telling her daughter — who has to stand at a distance and masked — to “be good” and that she will return home once the battle against the virus is won.

“Mom, I miss you a lot,” the girl says through tears.

“Mom is fighting monsters,” the mother replies. “I’ll be back home once the virus is beaten.”

She gives her daughter an air hug from afar, which the girl returns, and leaves some food for her mother.

CREMATORIUMS ‘WORKING 24/7’

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According to a report from The Epoch Times, funeral home workers are also struggling to keep up with the number of bodies to be cremated. It pointed to a video posted to YouTube that shows bodies on gurneys lined up for cremation, as well as another video showing several bagged deceased individuals lying on the floor or in chairs in a hospital.

“While cremation is a common burial practice in China, in a notice issued on Feb. 1, China’s National Health Commission said that people who have died from the virus can’t be buried and their bodies should be cremated immediately,” the outlet explains.

“Since Jan. 28, 90 percent of our employees are working 24/7. … We couldn’t go back home,” a man from one of Wuhan’s three main funeral homes, identified as Mr. Yun, stated. “We can’t stop because we can’t leave the bodies outside for a long time. … We really need more manpower.”

He said that the funeral home is transporting at least 100 bodies a day.

“For us who transfer the bodies, we don’t eat or drink for a long time in order to preserve the protective suit, because we need to take off the protective suit whenever we eat, drink, or go to the bathroom,” Yun advised. “The protective suit can’t be worn again after being used.”

“All male staff at our funeral home are picking up and moving bodies now, and female staff are answering the phones, disinfecting the funeral home, and so on,” a worker at a Wuchang funeral home similarly told Guyu Lab. “We work 24 hours. … We are very tired.”

“We are on the verge of collapsing. We really need help.”

CHRISTIANS OFFER THE PEACE OF CHRIST

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Amid the crisis, Christians have been seeking to offer the peace of Christ to those who live in fear. As previously reported, one pastor in China penned a letter encouraging and exhorting the Body of Christ in the midst of disease and death.

“Christ has already given us His peace, but His peace is not to remove us from disaster and death, but rather to have peace in the midst of disaster and death, because Christ has already overcome these things (John 14:27, 16:33),” he wrote. “Otherwise we have not believed in the gospel of peace (Ephesians 6:15), and, with the world, would be terrified of pestilence, and lose hope in the face of death.”

He said that even if a believer dies in the midst of tribulation, it is still not a defeat.

“Spoken for today, Wuhan’s pestilence cannot separate us from the love of Christ; this love is in our Lord Jesus Christ. These words are so comforting for us, we have already become one body with Christ,” he wrote. “… Therefore, Christ is with us as we face the pestilence in this city; the pestilence cannot harm us. If we die in the pestilence, it is an opportunity to witness to Christ, and even more to enter into his glory.”

The pastor said that the current challenge with the coronavirus reminds him of Abraham facing Sodom and Jonah facing Ninevah, as they Abraham interceded and Jonah preached repentance to the saving of men’s souls.

“[M]ay we like Lot be grieved over all those in this city (1 Peter 2:7), and like Abraham who earnestly prayed for Sodom (Genesis 18:23-33),” he urged. “You see, Jonah with difficulty proclaimed the gospel to Nineveh, and Nineveh repented and was saved. We are this city’s Abraham and Jonah. We must pray for God’s mercy upon this city, and bring peace upon this city through our prayers and testimony.”

“I believe this is the command of God calling those of us living in Wuhan,” he continued. “We are to seek peace for this city, seek peace for those who are afflicted with this illness, seek peace for the medical personnel struggling on the front lines, seek peace for every government official at every level, seek peace for all the people of Wuhan!”

One video posted online presents the shouts of Wuhan residents as they chant out of their apartment windows, “Wuhan, stay strong!”

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If the Chinese are allowing open religious speech, religious articles etc. Then the situation there is VERY bad. Think of the soviets during the siege of Stalingrad. The soviets opened up churches that had been closed for 20 years. China post 1949 has had almost zero acknowledgement officially regarding churches or religion.the party is the religion. I'd say their situation is dire.
If you pray,pray for the poor and afflicted Chinese weathering this storm right now.

 

[jward]

I do believe an ass hole has spoken.

Dunno bout that- the single best, perhaps single, way to avoid spread is for sick folks to keep their butts at home and not spread the love around. O' course, with no symptoms guaranteed to accompany illness, that does make it a wee more difficult to know when one is sick. Still perhaps the single best thing we could do in this moment is start a strict campaign against putting yer sick butt in the public square.