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The coronavirus crisis was made in China, but no one will say it
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The coronavirus crisis was made in China, but no one will say it
Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor for The Sydney Morning Herald
February 18, 2020 — 12.05am
The Chinese Communist Party calls it "discourse management".
It's more than mere censorship, and bigger than propaganda.
And Beijing is pretty good at it.
The party uses it to control its own people, but also to manage foreign governments.
Take the new coronavirus, for instance.
It may be a made-in-China global pandemic, and China might have bungled its handling of it, but that's somehow irrelevant and China's government says it's "unhappy" with Australia. Come again?
The outbreak is classified by the World Health Organisation as a global health emergency.
It was created in China, of course.
The consensus among virologists is that the likely cause was the Chinese authorities' persistent tolerance of unsafe animal and food handling practices.
After the 2003 outbreak of a novel coronavirus, the SARS epidemic, the Chinese government banned all trade in wild animals.
Once the crisis had passed, the authorities relaxed the ban, announcing 54 types of exemption.
In other words, it was going to happen again one day.
Then, once this outbreak was discovered, the Chinese authorities seriously mismanaged it.
This is now the subject of frenetic blame-shifting inside China.
When the first cases started turning up in the city of Wuhan in mid-December, two weeks before the official disclosure on December 31 that there was a new virus, sick people were turned away from local hospitals and sent home to infect other people and die.
The hospitals were told to report "zero infections".
Why?
Because an important meeting of provincial and city officials was under way in Wuhan and only good news was permitted.
The cover-ups and delays were "reprehensible" according to an eminent Australian virologist, John Mackenzie.
Famously, eight doctors in Wuhan who tried to raise the alarm before the official announcement were detained by police and ordered to shut up.
One, Li Wenliang, caught the virus and died from it, at the age of 34. Dr Li is now considered a martyr in China.
Li's last public statement was an appeal for free speech.
It has since been censored.
And while Beijing initially was praised for swiftly circulating abroad the vital clinical details of the virus, subsequent revelations show the opposite is true.
"The genome sequence – crucial for rapid development of diagnostics needed in an outbreak response – was not released until January 12, 17 days after the preliminary sequence data were obtained," four scientists have concluded in an article in the medical journal The Lancet.
The scientists include members of the emergency committee of the World Health Organisation.
Official reporting of the number of people infected has gyrated bizarrely and inexplicably.
The delays and cover-ups have made China's people distrustful and fearful.
As hundreds of millions lock themselves at home out of fear, the economic cost of the virus mounts.
China's President, Xi Jinping, has responded by squarely blaming local officials in Wuhan for the delays and cover-ups.
But the Wuhan authorities, returning the favour, said in an interview on January 27 with the state-owned China Central Television that they were not able to report the virus until authorised by Beijing.
A furious Xi is disciplining local officials.
About 400 so far have been punished.
Last week, Xi sacked the topmost Communist Party official for the province in which Wuhan is located, Hubei.
And Xi's regime has mobilised massively to manage popular opinion.
A top-level edict went out in early February instructing Chinese media managers that it was time for "telling the moving stories of how those on the frontline are preventing and fighting the virus" and "showcasing the unity of the Chinese people in the face of the virus".
The central propaganda authority said it would dispatch 300 propaganda agents – though it called them "journalists" – to the "frontline" in Hubei to make sure the required happy news stories were supplied.
President Xi has been lauded in headlines like this from one state-owned outlet:
"Following the Example of General Secretary Xi Jinping, For a Loyal and Heroic Struggle for Early Victory."
Catchy, huh?
1:59
China says coronavirus curbs starting to work
The overall number of new coronavirus cases in China fell on Sunday, but the number of infected continues to rise on the Princess Diamond cruise ship in Japan.
A noted veteran political commentator, Willy Wo-Lap Lam of the Chinese University of Hong Kong, tells me: "The official state media have glorified Xi as the brilliant and effective man to deal with the outbreak.
In actual fact, this is the toughest test of his power since he took over nine years ago.
He's accused of not divulging the truth about the virus and the number of casualties, of being too slow to mobilise medical supplies to the affected area, and for the people in the huge province of Hubei being left to their own devices under quarantine, without adequate resources from the central government."
Lam says that while the media is dripping with "feelgood and upbeat stories about how we are winning the war against the virus", it's not convincing many people.
"People do not believe the official version because of the long-standing tradition of the Chinese Communist Party to hide the facts and the glorify the supposed achievements of the top leaders.
For example they did the same thing in the SARS epidemic.
People now see this as playing the SARS trajectory."
In that case, the Chinese authorities covered up the reality of the disease for three years.
So, in a sure sign that Xi feels the need to better deflect blame, a party magazine broke big news on the weekend.
It disclosed that Xi had taken personal control of the outbreak response on January 7.
This was 13 days earlier than had been known.
The Quishi magazine reported a speech, secret till now, by Xi to his top officials ordering the quarantining of Wuhan, among other things.
Why is this significant?
To protect him from the criticism that he was too slow to react.
But while it was "a story intended to be in Xi's self-defence", says Lam, "the fact that he mentioned the virus in a closed meeting two weeks before the national mobilisation doesn't help much – you have to tell the public."
Xi is fighting for his reputation in this titanic episode of "discourse management", although his grip on power is not in doubt.
But even as Beijing is struggling with the consequences of so much bungling, so much death, so much damage worldwide, its officials still manage to turn this shocking culpability into an asset in managing the discourse with the wider world.
After the Morrison government decided to protect Australia from the virus by imposing a ban on people travelling from or through China, the Chinese embassy had the gall to complain – wrongly – that the Chinese government hadn't been given advance notice.
And to accuse Canberra of an overreaction.
China has imposed draconian bans on its own people, in areas home to some 50 million.
Yet Beijing's mouthpiece People's Daily accused other countries that have imposed travel bans of "racism".
This list would include not only Australia and the US but also Singapore and Japan and Vietnam.
This is preposterous yet somewhat successful "discourse management".
How so?
Because no leader, no official in Australia has had the courage to speak the plain truth to this authoritarian propaganda. No, Beijing, you made this disaster.
We are merely trying to survive it.
Peter Hartcher is international editor.
Opinion
The coronavirus crisis was made in China, but no one will say it
Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor for The Sydney Morning Herald
February 18, 2020 — 12.05am
The Chinese Communist Party calls it "discourse management".
It's more than mere censorship, and bigger than propaganda.
And Beijing is pretty good at it.
The party uses it to control its own people, but also to manage foreign governments.
Take the new coronavirus, for instance.
It may be a made-in-China global pandemic, and China might have bungled its handling of it, but that's somehow irrelevant and China's government says it's "unhappy" with Australia. Come again?
The outbreak is classified by the World Health Organisation as a global health emergency.
It was created in China, of course.
The consensus among virologists is that the likely cause was the Chinese authorities' persistent tolerance of unsafe animal and food handling practices.
After the 2003 outbreak of a novel coronavirus, the SARS epidemic, the Chinese government banned all trade in wild animals.
Once the crisis had passed, the authorities relaxed the ban, announcing 54 types of exemption.
In other words, it was going to happen again one day.
Then, once this outbreak was discovered, the Chinese authorities seriously mismanaged it.
This is now the subject of frenetic blame-shifting inside China.
When the first cases started turning up in the city of Wuhan in mid-December, two weeks before the official disclosure on December 31 that there was a new virus, sick people were turned away from local hospitals and sent home to infect other people and die.
The hospitals were told to report "zero infections".
Why?
Because an important meeting of provincial and city officials was under way in Wuhan and only good news was permitted.
The cover-ups and delays were "reprehensible" according to an eminent Australian virologist, John Mackenzie.
Famously, eight doctors in Wuhan who tried to raise the alarm before the official announcement were detained by police and ordered to shut up.
One, Li Wenliang, caught the virus and died from it, at the age of 34. Dr Li is now considered a martyr in China.
Li's last public statement was an appeal for free speech.
It has since been censored.
And while Beijing initially was praised for swiftly circulating abroad the vital clinical details of the virus, subsequent revelations show the opposite is true.
"The genome sequence – crucial for rapid development of diagnostics needed in an outbreak response – was not released until January 12, 17 days after the preliminary sequence data were obtained," four scientists have concluded in an article in the medical journal The Lancet.
The scientists include members of the emergency committee of the World Health Organisation.
Official reporting of the number of people infected has gyrated bizarrely and inexplicably.
The delays and cover-ups have made China's people distrustful and fearful.
As hundreds of millions lock themselves at home out of fear, the economic cost of the virus mounts.
China's President, Xi Jinping, has responded by squarely blaming local officials in Wuhan for the delays and cover-ups.
But the Wuhan authorities, returning the favour, said in an interview on January 27 with the state-owned China Central Television that they were not able to report the virus until authorised by Beijing.
A furious Xi is disciplining local officials.
About 400 so far have been punished.
Last week, Xi sacked the topmost Communist Party official for the province in which Wuhan is located, Hubei.
And Xi's regime has mobilised massively to manage popular opinion.
A top-level edict went out in early February instructing Chinese media managers that it was time for "telling the moving stories of how those on the frontline are preventing and fighting the virus" and "showcasing the unity of the Chinese people in the face of the virus".
The central propaganda authority said it would dispatch 300 propaganda agents – though it called them "journalists" – to the "frontline" in Hubei to make sure the required happy news stories were supplied.
President Xi has been lauded in headlines like this from one state-owned outlet:
"Following the Example of General Secretary Xi Jinping, For a Loyal and Heroic Struggle for Early Victory."
Catchy, huh?
1:59
China says coronavirus curbs starting to work
The overall number of new coronavirus cases in China fell on Sunday, but the number of infected continues to rise on the Princess Diamond cruise ship in Japan.
A noted veteran political commentator, Willy Wo-Lap Lam of the Chinese University of Hong Kong, tells me: "The official state media have glorified Xi as the brilliant and effective man to deal with the outbreak.
In actual fact, this is the toughest test of his power since he took over nine years ago.
He's accused of not divulging the truth about the virus and the number of casualties, of being too slow to mobilise medical supplies to the affected area, and for the people in the huge province of Hubei being left to their own devices under quarantine, without adequate resources from the central government."
Lam says that while the media is dripping with "feelgood and upbeat stories about how we are winning the war against the virus", it's not convincing many people.
"People do not believe the official version because of the long-standing tradition of the Chinese Communist Party to hide the facts and the glorify the supposed achievements of the top leaders.
For example they did the same thing in the SARS epidemic.
People now see this as playing the SARS trajectory."
In that case, the Chinese authorities covered up the reality of the disease for three years.
So, in a sure sign that Xi feels the need to better deflect blame, a party magazine broke big news on the weekend.
It disclosed that Xi had taken personal control of the outbreak response on January 7.
This was 13 days earlier than had been known.
The Quishi magazine reported a speech, secret till now, by Xi to his top officials ordering the quarantining of Wuhan, among other things.
Why is this significant?
To protect him from the criticism that he was too slow to react.
But while it was "a story intended to be in Xi's self-defence", says Lam, "the fact that he mentioned the virus in a closed meeting two weeks before the national mobilisation doesn't help much – you have to tell the public."
Xi is fighting for his reputation in this titanic episode of "discourse management", although his grip on power is not in doubt.
But even as Beijing is struggling with the consequences of so much bungling, so much death, so much damage worldwide, its officials still manage to turn this shocking culpability into an asset in managing the discourse with the wider world.
After the Morrison government decided to protect Australia from the virus by imposing a ban on people travelling from or through China, the Chinese embassy had the gall to complain – wrongly – that the Chinese government hadn't been given advance notice.
And to accuse Canberra of an overreaction.
China has imposed draconian bans on its own people, in areas home to some 50 million.
Yet Beijing's mouthpiece People's Daily accused other countries that have imposed travel bans of "racism".
This list would include not only Australia and the US but also Singapore and Japan and Vietnam.
This is preposterous yet somewhat successful "discourse management".
How so?
Because no leader, no official in Australia has had the courage to speak the plain truth to this authoritarian propaganda. No, Beijing, you made this disaster.
We are merely trying to survive it.
Peter Hartcher is international editor.
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In spades! The semantics can wait. I look at it like I look at economic and financial collapse. The trigger mechanism and who is at fault doesn't matter as much as the fact that we have to deal with it regardless of how it came to pass. Same way with this virus and the follow on effects on the supply chains. Who the fault ultimately lands upon is immaterial at this point as we still have to deal with it.
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The Epoch Times - China Insider @EpochTimesChina 9m9 minutes ago
The municipal government in#Xiaogan City of #China’s #HubeiProvince announced 5 new measures to battle the #CoronavirusOutbreak. According to a post on the government’s official #Weibo, all residents are now forbidden from leaving their homes.
The municipal government in
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Vincent LeeVerified account @Rover829 14m14 minutes ago
Reuters: Across mainland China, there were 1,886 new confirmed infections on Monday, bringing the total so far to 72,436.
Reuters: Across mainland China, there were 1,886 new confirmed infections on Monday, bringing the total so far to 72,436.
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Haven't finished watching this yet. It's the elderly, British gentleman who's stuck on board the Diamond Princess. He's found out that those who test negative, are not informed. Only the embassy is informed! If you test positive, you get a knock on the door and you're then, taken off the ship to a medical facility. Very little time to pack or say goodbye. Also the hospitals must be overwhelmed, because, now, the ambulance ride is about 4 hours from Yokohama!!
Run time, about 9.5 mins
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Nemof6mTc
Run time, about 9.5 mins
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-Xi Jinping's unusually timed speech on coronavirus -Apple doesn’t expect to meet its revenue target for the March -The world's first pandemic bonds What you need to know at the start of Asia's trading day
-Xi Jinping's unusually timed speech on coronavirus -Apple doesn’t expect to meet its revenue target for the March -The world's first pandemic bonds What you need to know at the start of Asia's trading day
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Apple warns China virus will cut iPhone production, sales
Apple warns China virus will cut iPhone production, sales
CUPERTINO, Calif. >> Apple Inc. is warning investors that it won’t meet its second-quarter financial guidance because the viral outbreak in China has cut production of iPhones.
The Cupertino, California-based company said today that all of its iPhone manufacturing facilities are outside Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak, and all have been reopened. But the company said production is ramping up slowly.
“The health and well-being of every person who helps make these products possible is our paramount priority, and we are working in close consultation with our suppliers and public health experts as this ramp continues,” Apple said in a statement.
The death toll from COVID-19, a disease caused by the new coronavirus, was 1,770 as of today.
Apple says demand for iPhones is also down in China because many of Apple’s 42 retail stores there are closed or operating with reduced hours. China is Apple’s third largest retail market for iPhones, after the U.S. and Europe.
Outside China, Apple said iPhone demand has been strong and is in line with the company’s expectations.
On Jan. 28, Apple said it expected second quarter revenue between $63 billion and $67 billion. Apple’s second quarter ends March 30.
Apple says the situation is evolving and it will provide more information on its next earnings call in April.
Apple warns China virus will cut iPhone production, sales
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Employees wear face masks as they stand in a reopened Apple Store in Beijing on Feb. 14. Apple Inc. is warning investors that it won’t meet its second-quarter financial guidance because the viral outbreak in China has cut production of iPhones.
CUPERTINO, Calif. >> Apple Inc. is warning investors that it won’t meet its second-quarter financial guidance because the viral outbreak in China has cut production of iPhones.
The Cupertino, California-based company said today that all of its iPhone manufacturing facilities are outside Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak, and all have been reopened. But the company said production is ramping up slowly.
“The health and well-being of every person who helps make these products possible is our paramount priority, and we are working in close consultation with our suppliers and public health experts as this ramp continues,” Apple said in a statement.
The death toll from COVID-19, a disease caused by the new coronavirus, was 1,770 as of today.
Apple says demand for iPhones is also down in China because many of Apple’s 42 retail stores there are closed or operating with reduced hours. China is Apple’s third largest retail market for iPhones, after the U.S. and Europe.
Outside China, Apple said iPhone demand has been strong and is in line with the company’s expectations.
On Jan. 28, Apple said it expected second quarter revenue between $63 billion and $67 billion. Apple’s second quarter ends March 30.
Apple says the situation is evolving and it will provide more information on its next earnings call in April.
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Bill GertzVerified account @BillGertz 8h8 hours ago
PLA general with bioweapons background takes lead role in Wuhan virus crisis
PLA general with bioweapons background takes lead role in Wuhan virus crisis
There is a budget proposal out there and the House did not write it. They were too busy with impeachment. So I just naturally figured it was the Trump adm that wrote it. And so will everybody else.
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#Chinese doctors: #Coronavirus can reinfect people, and the second infection can lead to heart failure
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Beijing auto show set for April 21 is postponed due to#coronavavirus #China. No specific time as to when it will be held. Notice here: http://www.autochinashow.org @Lebeaucarnews
Beijing auto show set for April 21 is postponed due to
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Samuel Adam's got me thinking about infection zones and cycles. Here is what I came up with, going all the way back to the KEY DATE of 12-1-2019. If this is the documented first case, then you either backdate it by 14, or 24, or 42? or whatever. Now, Doomer Doug, being a trained US Army medic is going to split the various cycles and say it is 14 days. It "might" be 7, or 24, or 52 even. However, the first, best estimate was 14 and that is what I will go with. The result of that means 6 full 14 day infection cycles have completed as of today. The key dates are, again starting on 12-1-2019: 12-14 12-28-2019. In 2020 you get 1-11, 1-25, and 2-9-2020. We are now mid cycle of the 6th one, which will end on the 23rd. Next, you ask who was where on those specific dates, or where they running around. If you do all that then you realize how the sword of Damocles is going to drop and slit our throat. One final thing check post 14,316 and 14,321 and plug that onto the above dates.
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World Health Organization holds coronavirus talks with tech giants https://mol.im/a/8012237 via@MailOnline
World Health Organization holds coronavirus talks with tech giants https://mol.im/a/8012237 via
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Coronavirus could be knockout blow for Hong Kong's once-thriving tourism, retail sectors https://reut.rs/37yhzhh
Coronavirus could be knockout blow for Hong Kong's once-thriving tourism, retail sectors https://reut.rs/37yhzhh
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Zahra, Doomer Doug graduated as a 91B10, or was it B20 back in November of 1973 at Fort Sam Houston, and my most vivid memory was the 6 inches of rain on one day and the WATER MOCASINS?.
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(This from about a week ago...lest we forget...good nuggets in here...)
Crisis in China Over Coronavirus: People Dragged From Homes, City Streets Sprayed, Bodies Being Cremated ’24/7′
By Heather Clark on February 11, 2020
WUHAN — Videos out of China have been described as “apocalyptic” as they show workers in Wuhan fighting the coronavirus by spraying city streets with disinfectant and authorities seizing for quarantine those who are suspected to have been exposed or infected. Reports also state that the government has required cremation of those who died from the virus so as to avoid spread, and funeral home employees are growing tired from the workload.
According to reports, the current death toll is over 1,000 with more than 42,000 cases being confirmed. The World Health Organization (WHO) held an event in Geneva on Tuesday to discuss the outbreak with some of the world’s top scientists.
ORIGIN AND SANITATION
Click to enlarge.Joe Drake of the U.S.-based company Decon Seven, told Business Insider that he is familiar with the Wuhan wet market where the virus is stated to have first afflicted a human — and that it was not a sanitary situation.
“You have live fish, you have dead fish, you have other animals in there,” he explained. “There’s no hygiene standards. They just rinse things down with a garden hose. That doesn’t do anything. You’re just basically creating a bacteria soup.”
Following animal-to-human transmission, the virus, also known as 2019-nCoV, began to spread throughout January and February — turning into what some are now considering labeling a pandemic.
“Because the coronavirus is chiefly transmitted through respiratory droplets, which get passed around in an infected person’s spit and mucus, China has placed around 56 million people under quarantine, hoping that keeping people home, and having them wear masks when they go outside, will help prevent more virus spread,” Business Insider outlines.
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Those who live in China have provided a glimpse into the current situation in the country, as a number of videos have been posted online, such as one showing sanitation workers in hazmat suits running through the streets with a billowing disinfectant. The video was also shared by People’s Daily, which created a compilation of clips showing various sterilization cannons and trucks in action in Wuhan.
SEIZURES OF THE POTENTIALLY INFECTED
Click to enlarge.Another video shows at least two people entering some sort of box on the back of a truck while workers in hazmat suits shut the tailgate and then get into the vehicle to drive them away. Screams can be heard, whether coming from the box or those on the street.
A video also shows suited workers manhandling people in what appears to be an apartment building in Suzhou, including one man who resisted and was carried out of the residence and to the elevator by three men.
One video posted by 5 News Australia shows a family being forcefully being escorted to an ambulance, as they had reportedly been diagnosed with the coronavirus and were deemed a public health threat.
“Wuhan officials are now carrying out door-to-door health checks to identify potential carriers who would need to be isolated,” reports the Daily Mail. “[Vice Premier Sun Chunlan] demanded four types of people in Wuhan be put into mandatory isolation in quarantine stations: confirmed cases, suspected cases, people who have close contact with the former two, and those who have fever.”
One emotional video shows nurse Liu Haiyan telling her daughter — who has to stand at a distance and masked — to “be good” and that she will return home once the battle against the virus is won.
“Mom, I miss you a lot,” the girl says through tears.
“Mom is fighting monsters,” the mother replies. “I’ll be back home once the virus is beaten.”
She gives her daughter an air hug from afar, which the girl returns, and leaves some food for her mother.
CREMATORIUMS ‘WORKING 24/7’
Click to enlarge.According to a report from The Epoch Times, funeral home workers are also struggling to keep up with the number of bodies to be cremated. It pointed to a video posted to YouTube that shows bodies on gurneys lined up for cremation, as well as another video showing several bagged deceased individuals lying on the floor or in chairs in a hospital.
“While cremation is a common burial practice in China, in a notice issued on Feb. 1, China’s National Health Commission said that people who have died from the virus can’t be buried and their bodies should be cremated immediately,” the outlet explains.
“Since Jan. 28, 90 percent of our employees are working 24/7. … We couldn’t go back home,” a man from one of Wuhan’s three main funeral homes, identified as Mr. Yun, stated. “We can’t stop because we can’t leave the bodies outside for a long time. … We really need more manpower.”
He said that the funeral home is transporting at least 100 bodies a day.
“For us who transfer the bodies, we don’t eat or drink for a long time in order to preserve the protective suit, because we need to take off the protective suit whenever we eat, drink, or go to the bathroom,” Yun advised. “The protective suit can’t be worn again after being used.”
“All male staff at our funeral home are picking up and moving bodies now, and female staff are answering the phones, disinfecting the funeral home, and so on,” a worker at a Wuchang funeral home similarly told Guyu Lab. “We work 24 hours. … We are very tired.”
“We are on the verge of collapsing. We really need help.”
CHRISTIANS OFFER THE PEACE OF CHRIST
Click to enlarge.Amid the crisis, Christians have been seeking to offer the peace of Christ to those who live in fear. As previously reported, one pastor in China penned a letter encouraging and exhorting the Body of Christ in the midst of disease and death.
“Christ has already given us His peace, but His peace is not to remove us from disaster and death, but rather to have peace in the midst of disaster and death, because Christ has already overcome these things (John 14:27, 16:33),” he wrote. “Otherwise we have not believed in the gospel of peace (Ephesians 6:15), and, with the world, would be terrified of pestilence, and lose hope in the face of death.”
He said that even if a believer dies in the midst of tribulation, it is still not a defeat.
“Spoken for today, Wuhan’s pestilence cannot separate us from the love of Christ; this love is in our Lord Jesus Christ. These words are so comforting for us, we have already become one body with Christ,” he wrote. “… Therefore, Christ is with us as we face the pestilence in this city; the pestilence cannot harm us. If we die in the pestilence, it is an opportunity to witness to Christ, and even more to enter into his glory.”
The pastor said that the current challenge with the coronavirus reminds him of Abraham facing Sodom and Jonah facing Ninevah, as they Abraham interceded and Jonah preached repentance to the saving of men’s souls.
“[M]ay we like Lot be grieved over all those in this city (1 Peter 2:7), and like Abraham who earnestly prayed for Sodom (Genesis 18:23-33),” he urged. “You see, Jonah with difficulty proclaimed the gospel to Nineveh, and Nineveh repented and was saved. We are this city’s Abraham and Jonah. We must pray for God’s mercy upon this city, and bring peace upon this city through our prayers and testimony.”
“I believe this is the command of God calling those of us living in Wuhan,” he continued. “We are to seek peace for this city, seek peace for those who are afflicted with this illness, seek peace for the medical personnel struggling on the front lines, seek peace for every government official at every level, seek peace for all the people of Wuhan!”
One video posted online presents the shouts of Wuhan residents as they chant out of their apartment windows, “Wuhan, stay strong!”
Crisis in China Over Coronavirus: People Dragged From Homes, City Streets Sprayed, Bodies Being Cremated ’24/7′
WUHAN -- Videos out of China have been described as "apocalyptic" as they show workers in Wuhan fighting the coronavirus by spraying city streets with disinfectant and authorities seizing for quarantine those who are suspected to have been exposed or infected. Reports also state that the...
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CNN Breaking NewsVerified account @cnnbrk 3h3 hours ago
Delta Air Lines says it's contacting passengers who were on a recent flight between Honolulu and Nagoya, Japan, after reports that two passengers are being treated for coronavirus https://cnn.it/2Sy3QTv
Delta Air Lines says it's contacting passengers who were on a recent flight between Honolulu and Nagoya, Japan, after reports that two passengers are being treated for coronavirus https://cnn.it/2Sy3QTv
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EndGameWW3 @EndGameWW3 2h2 hours ago
Cambodia is probably going to have a big outbreak in a couple weeks because of their negligence
Cambodia is probably going to have a big outbreak in a couple weeks because of their negligence
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The Epoch Times - China Insider @EpochTimesChina 16m16 minutes ago
#Health authorities scrambled to track hundreds of passengers who disembarked from a #CruiseShip in #Cambodia last week after a woman tested positive for #Coronavirus, heightening fears about the spread of the disease around the world.
Exercise in symbolic logic.
There is a virus that has infected 75,000 people and killed 1500 in a population of 1,400,000,000
The government of this country has locked down or quarantined 500,000,000. Entire cites have order to not leave their homes. Other very extraordinary measures are taken.
Other countries cancel flights and cruise ships but continue to repatriate their citizens.
The infection and death rate are insufficient cause for these extreme measures unless the virus is actually known.
The only explanation that works for this scenario is that the virus was studied in a laboratory environment. It is not known whether is was created in the lab however, it is certain that it was studied in a lab.
The extreme reaction by the government means that they have research on possible outcomes.
They have a high level of certainty that
the cost of the shutting the economy down
is less than the cost of the virus
You already know this.
What we have not seen is . . . the real cost of the virus.
There is a virus that has infected 75,000 people and killed 1500 in a population of 1,400,000,000
The government of this country has locked down or quarantined 500,000,000. Entire cites have order to not leave their homes. Other very extraordinary measures are taken.
Other countries cancel flights and cruise ships but continue to repatriate their citizens.
The infection and death rate are insufficient cause for these extreme measures unless the virus is actually known.
The only explanation that works for this scenario is that the virus was studied in a laboratory environment. It is not known whether is was created in the lab however, it is certain that it was studied in a lab.
The extreme reaction by the government means that they have research on possible outcomes.
They have a high level of certainty that
the cost of the shutting the economy down
is less than the cost of the virus
You already know this.
What we have not seen is . . . the real cost of the virus.
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northern watch
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EndGameWW3 @EndGameWW3 1m1 minute ago
By end of March I predict most will wish they had used February more wisely.#Prep #Coronavirus
By end of March I predict most will wish they had used February more wisely.
Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
except.....if the political/military response comes in the process. We can and should prepare wisely for the virus, but one should also realize a military response (nukes) could come as iceing on the cake.
Doomer Doug
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We can expect nothing but lies from the communist barbarians and nothing but more disease and death in the west. Remember the so called Black Death lasted FOUR full years, from 1348 to 1352. The world will radically different from today, some four years from now.
northern watch
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EndGameWW3 @EndGameWW3 1m1 minute ago
BREAKING: South Korea 1 new asymptomatic coronavirus case. Sick woman has no travel history.
BREAKING: South Korea 1 new asymptomatic coronavirus case. Sick woman has no travel history.
Old Gray Mare
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I noticed sick people at church last Sunday and didn't attend this Sunday. The faithful were not encouraged to stay home if they are sick either.
It's just that everything seems so normal. The sun comes up people go to work and kids go to school. So far I'm not noticing healthcare facilities being overwhelmed. I did go to one this week. I noticed a elderly hag coughing, not even attempting to cover her mouth while complaining to counter clerk in detail of flu like symptoms. The clerk had no mask. When asked why? I was told it would "scare people and they'd want one". IMHO our first responders are being put at substantial and needless risk.
I'm surprised things aren't worse than they are.
northern watch
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The Black Death was the only time when the world's population took a drop over time.
One third of the population of Europe was killed
Heliobas Disciple
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That's a big difference! If you have a second, can you go back and edit the post with the correct month? To do that, click on the up-arrow after your name in the first quote box. Then when that post shows up, go to the bottom line, on the left side after Report, click on Edit. (I screengrabbed what it will look like for you). Thanks!!!
bsharp
Veteran Member
I wonder for how many of those 94 days were they sharing their nasty germs?
northern watch
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I can see a time coming when all church services are live streamed, with no one in the actual audience.