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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Nope, but it may have been almost as big........lots of drinking too..... someone left on the side of the road naked type of drinking.... and I am stopping there.....

When I was in the Air Force what you described was known as "Friday night"...

You don't want to know what happened Saturday night...
 

Mercury3

Veteran Member
Would we have utilities and services during a quarantine scenario

Hopefully the plan will be to move in trailers to house the plant workers and their families so the plants can be kept operational....

Several items of concern:
1. Chemical delivery to water and sewage treatment plants....
2. Coal and natural gas delivery to power plants....
3. Food delivery and sanitation at the plants....
4. Clothes and linen laundering....
5. Medical screening and medical care at the plants....
6. Replacement workers....

The military will be heavy involved with such undertakings....

And noting could go wrong with this....

Texican....

I work for a huge multi-state power company and I would say no. Life and family come first. About the only way would be if they provided huge incentives such as three or four times the pay. Even then depends upon how bad it is.

Also all my preps are at home so no way would I allow them to relocate my wife and I closer to work. Forget that.

The military couldn't run it either unless they had a skeleton crew training them.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

SAN MIGUEL, Calif. —
Camp Roberts is no longer being considered as a potential quarantine site for coronavirus patients, according to a press release sent Monday morning.

In a statement, the San Luis Obipso County Public Health Department said health officers got notice Sunday evening that federal authorities will no longer consider housing returning travelers with coronavirus at Camp Roberts.

“We remain prepared to work with federal and state partners should future decisions turn back to Camp Roberts as a resource,” said Dr. Penny Borenstein, SLO County Health Officer.

She also expressed her appreciation and admiration for “the prompt and professional response shown by our local hospitals, EMS providers, and County personnel.”

Over the weekend, local health officers said they were advised by state and federal authorities to prepare for the possibility that passengers who test positive for coronavirus, but no longer require hospitalization, may be sent to Camp Roberts for the remainder of a two week quarantine.
 

marsh

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Coronavirus is interrupting the supply chain for wedding dresses coming out of China

If you’re a bride to be and are on the search for the perfect dress, you may want to start looking early
KSBW

Updated: 10:07 PM PST Feb 17, 2020

Kyla Linville
Reporter

Coronavirus is interrupting the supply chain for wedding dresses coming out of China

Coronavirus is interrupting the supply chain for wedding dresses coming out of China

GILROY, Calif. —
If you're a bride to be and are on the search for the perfect dress, you may want to start looking early. The coronavirus is interrupting the supply chain for wedding and prom dresses that are coming out of China. Some bridal shops on the Central Coast say they haven't taken a hit yet but are aware it could happen.

"It's not just the factories, but also the manufacturers that create the lace and the fabric that are also closed," explained Marleen Vieira, the owner of Mafalda's Bridal Shop in Gilroy "So, once our factories run out of product, then that's where the delay could happen. We're hoping that it's not going to get worse than this."

Vieira says although they haven't the impacts, she knows they could hit a bump down the aisle.
"One of the delays is also air fare, that it's not coming. If we were expecting something this week, maybe it's 2 weeks delayed," said Vieira.

Vieira says alterations can play a factor into how long it takes for a dress to come in, explaining if you find a dress, but want to add sleeves or embellishment, it could take even longer for an order to come in. However, Vieira says not to panic, brides still have a lot of options.

"Most bridal stores do have a lot in stock, so they can buy off rack. The companies also do have a lot of stock in their warehouses," said Vieira. "The businesses are going to come together [if needed]. If I don't have one dress, maybe another bridal store has it, so that they can find their dream dress. I don't think they should worry about it."

Vieira says the manufacturers have been great about keeping in tough about these issues their facing. She says they've been receiving constant updates through email,letting them know if they can expect a delay in shipping. So far, Vieira says she hasn't had to tell a bride she's not getting her dress.
 

jward

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Al Jazeera News
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Coronavirus infections slow in China for first time since January. Follow all the latest updates: https://aje.io/p49ux

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The Associated Press
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China reported 1,886 new virus cases and 98 more deaths in its update on a disease outbreak that has caused milder illness in most people. That's an assessment that promoted guarded optimism from global health authorities.
View: https://twitter.com/AP/status/1229670968387362823?s=20
 

marsh

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Couple diagnosed with coronavirus flew on Delta, Hawaiian Airlines flights, carriers confirm
By Janine Puhak | Fox News

US coronavirus plan would evacuate some Americans from quarantined cruise ship
Hundreds of Americans quarantined on a cruise ship, for more than a week due to a coronavirus outbreak on board will have the chance to evacuate, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention according to a report; Fox News medical contributor Dr. Marc Siegel weighs in.

Delta Air Lines and Hawaiian Airlines have confirmed that a couple diagnosed with the coronavirus traveled on their flights in and around Hawaii earlier this month.

On Feb. 6, the couple, a husband and wife from Japan who are reportedly in their 60s, departed from Honolulu for Nagoya, Japan, on Delta flight 611, KHON2 reports. The State Department of Health [DOH] said that the couple previously arrived in the Aloha State on Jan. 28 and spent time in Maui until Feb. 3. That day, the couple traveled from Kahului to Honolulu on the island of Oahu on Hawaiian Airlines flight HA265, the airline confirmed.

In Oahu, the husband and wife stayed at the Grand Waikikian by Hilton Grand Vacations. It remains unclear at this time on which airline they traveled to Hawaii on and where they stayed while in Maui.

On Feb. 3, the husband began experiencing “cold-like symptoms,” KHON2 reports. After returning home to Japan, he was hospitalized with a high fever, diagnosed with pneumonia and then tested positive for COVID-19, the World Health Organization’s official name for the illness.

On Feb. 13, the wife was reportedly hospitalized and tested for the coronavirus. She was ultimately diagnosed with the virus on Feb. 15.
Delta and Hawaiian Airlines have both since confirmed they are communicating with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the wake of the couple’s recent coronavirus diagnosis.
On Feb. 6, the couple from Japan departed Honolulu for Nagoya, Japan, on Delta flight 611.

On Feb. 6, the couple from Japan departed Honolulu for Nagoya, Japan, on Delta flight 611. (iStock)

“We are aware of reports that two customers who are being treated for novel coronavirus (2019-nCOV) recently traveled together between Honolulu and Nagoya and we are communicating with the appropriate public health officials, including [the] CDC and local Japanese authorities,” a Delta spokesperson said. “The health and safety of our customers and crews is our top priority, and in cooperation with Japanese health officials, we are proactively reaching out to customers who were onboard that flight as well as taking the necessary steps to ensure the safety of our customers and crew.
 

bcingu

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Would we have utilities and services during a quarantine scenario
Texican....
In a grid down scenario, What about all the NUCLEAR POWER PALNTS?

I only ask because I live 25 miles east north east of one. You know directly in the natural path of weather for my area. Many of my neighbors and friends work there. Their contingency plans call for them to stay on site, maintain operations until properly relieved. (sound familiar vets?)

Never planned on holding in place indefinitely. Already have routes of travel, hold positions identified, and multiple bug out positions prepared.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
The wet market is 900 feet from the lab. Occam's Razor says it was a $2-a-day security guard selling lab animals for some $$$ on the side. Or, classic Chinese lack-of-quality in their BSL4 procedures.

IF, this was a "Bio-attack", it was a really crappy one.

No...

Sen. Tom Cotton says with clarity that many of the initially infected had no contact with the wet market... In his words...

"The virus came INTO the market before it LEFT the market..."
 

jward

passin' thru
Novel Coronavirus - COVID19
@PneumoniaWuhan

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A simple laboratory parameter facilitates early identification of COVID-19 patients | medRxiv http://dlvr.it/RQFRVd #wuhanpneumonia #coronavirus #covid19

A simple laboratory parameter facilitates early identification of COVID-19 patients
Qilin Li, Xiuli Ding, Geqing Xia, Zhi Geng, Fenghua Chen, Lin Wang, Zheng Wang

doi: A simple laboratory parameter facilitates early identification of COVID-19 patients
This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.




Abstract
The total number of COVID-19 patients since the outbreak of this infection in Wuhan, China has reached 40000 and are still growing. To facilitate triage or identification of the large number of COVID-19 patients from other patients with similar symptoms in designated fever clinics, we set to identify a practical marker that could be conveniently utilized by first-line health-care workers in clinics

To do so, we performed a case-control study by analyzing clinical and laboratory findings between PCR-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 positive patients (n=52) and SARS-CoV-2 negative patients (n=53). The patients in two cohorts all had similar symptoms, mainly fever and respiratory symptoms.

The rates of patients with leukocyte counts (normal or decreased number) or lymphopenia (two parameters suggested by current National and WHO COVID-19 guidelines) had no differences between these two cohorts, while the rate of eosinopenia (decreased number of eosinophils) in SARS-CoV-2 positive patients (79%) was much higher than that in SARS-CoV-2 negative patients (36%). When the symptoms were combined with eosinopenia, this combination led to a diagnosis sensitivity and specificity of 79% and 64%, respectively, much higher than 48% and 53% when symptoms were combined with leukocyte counts (normal or decreased number) and/ or lymphopenia. Thus, our analysis reveals that eosinopenia may be a potentially more reliable laboratory predictor for SARS-CoV-2 infection than leukocyte counts and lymphopenia recommended by the current guidelines.

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jward

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Novel Coronavirus - COVID19
@PneumoniaWuhan

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A deep learning algorithm using CT images to screen for Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) | medRxiv http://dlvr.it/RQFRTr #wuhanpneumonia #coronavirus #covid19

A deep learning algorithm using CT images to screen for Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19)
Shuai Wang, Bo Kang, Jinlu Ma, Xianjun Zeng, Mingming Xiao, Jia Guo, Mengjiao Cai, Jingyi Yang, Yaodong Li, Xiangfei Meng, Bo Xu

doi: A deep learning algorithm using CT images to screen for Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19)
This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.




Abstract
The outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-COV-2) has caused approximately 64,000 cases of Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) in China so far, with that number continuing to grow. To control the spread of the disease, screening large numbers of suspected cases for appropriate quarantine and treatment measures is a priority. Viral nucleic acid testing based on specimens from the lower respiratory tract is the diagnostic gold standard. However, the availability and quality of laboratory testing in the infected region presents a challenge, so alternative diagnostic methods are urgently needed to combat the disease.

Based on COVID-19 radiographical changes in CT images, we hypothesized that Artificial Intelligence's deep learning methods might be able to extract COVID-19's specific graphical features and provide a clinical diagnosis ahead of the pathogenic test, thus saving critical time for disease control.

To test this possibility, we collected 453 CT images of pathogen-confirmed COVID-19 cases along with previously diagnosed with typical viral pneumonia. 217 images were used as the training set and the inception migration-learning model was used to establish the algorithm. The internal validation achieved a total accuracy of 82.9% with specificity of 80.5% and sensitivity of 84%. The external testing dataset showed a total accuracy of 73.1% with specificity of 67% and sensitivity of 74%. These results indicate the great value of using the deep learning method to extract radiological graphical features for COVID-19 diagnosis.

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jward

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Novel Coronavirus - COVID19
@PneumoniaWuhan

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Clinical Characteristics of 2019 Novel Infected Coronavirus Pneumonia:A Systemic Review and Meta-analysis | medRxiv http://dlvr.it/RQFVRL #wuhanpneumonia #coronavirus #covid19
Clinical Characteristics of 2019 Novel Infected Coronavirus Pneumonia:A Systemic Review and Meta-analysis
Kai Qian, Yi Deng, Yonghang Tai, Jun Peng, Hao Peng, Lihong Jiang

doi: Clinical Characteristics of 2019 Novel Infected Coronavirus Pneumonia:A Systemic Review and Meta-analysis
This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.




Abstract
Background:A Novel pneumonia associated with the 2019 coronavirus infected pneumonia (NCIP) suddenly broke out in Wuhan, China in December 2019. 37287 confirmed cases and 813 death case in China (Until 8th/Feb/2019) have been reported in just fortnight. Although this risky pneumonia with high infection rates and high mortality rates need to be resolved immediately, major gaps in our knowledge of clinical characters of it were still not be established.

The aim of this study is to summaries and analysis the clinical characteristics of 2019-nCoV pneumonia.
Methods: Literature have been systematically performed a search on PubMed, Embase, Web of Science, GreyNet International, and The Cochrane Library from inception up to February 8, 2020. The Newcastle-Ottawa Scale was used to assess quality, and publication bias was analyzed by Egger test. In the single-arm meta-analysis, A fix-effects model was used to obtain a pooled incidence rate. We conducted subgroup analysis according to geographic region and research scale.

Results: A total of nine studies including 356 patients were included in this study, the mean age was 52.4 years and 221 (62.1%) were male. The pooled incidences rate of symptoms as follows:
pharyngalgia (12.2%, 95% CI: 0.087-0.167),
diarrhea (9.2%, 95% CI: 0.062-0.133)
headache (8.9%, 95% CI: 0.063-0.125).
Meanwhile, 5.7% (95% CI: 0.027-0.114) of patients were found without any symptoms although they were diagnosed by RT-PCR.

In the terms of CT imaging examination, the most of patients showed
bilateral mottling or ground-glass opacity, 8.6% (95% CI: 0.048-0.148) of patients with crazy-paving pattern, and
11.5% (95% CI: 0.064-0.197) of patients without obvious CT imaging presentations.

The pooled incidence of mortality was 8.9% (95% CI: 0.062-0.126).

Conclusions: To our knowledge, this is the first evidence-based medicine research to further elaborate the clinical characteristics of NCIP, which is beneficial to the next step of prevention and treatment.

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Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Nothing will keep me from church. The Lord will protect me in His house.
Your choice.

My Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth commands me to “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.". I chose to honor the Lord's Day at home with my family. My Lord promised me a destination not a smooth trip. There is dogma in some churches to not be involved with or of the world by ignoring what is going on in in the world around them. Reality doesn't care about church dogma.

I chose not to go to church Sunday because the prior Sunday there were a significant number of sick people at church. The church leaders chose not to encourage the sick to stay home and get well before returning. I feel they are failing in their responsibility to care for the Lord's flock.

With today's technology there is no excuse not to live stream a service on the internet or broadcast it on a local radio station.
 

bluelady

Veteran Member
Im ok with that, but they can do it without a convention, Trump wont need one, he will get better than 99% of the votes for him to run again, the dems, just go with no convention, use the primary votes strait from the states, then the election,guess your just gonna have to risk voting, mabye increase the voting sites, where I vote, has mabye 300 voters, so plenty of room for gaps between voters
All states could go to voting by mail.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Epidemiological Characteristics of an Outbreak of COVID-19 in China (2020)
Published on February 17, 2020
Melvin Sanicas
Physician • Scientist • TED Educator • Writer

Today the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention's Novel Coronavirus Pneumonia Emergency Response Epidemiology Team published results of a descriptive, exploratory analysis of all cases diagnosed as of 11th February 2020 - this includes 44,672 confirmed cases of Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

[PDF available after conclusion]

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Methods: All COVID-19 cases reported through February 11 , 2020 were extracted from China’s Infectious Disease Information System. Analyses included the following: (1) summary of patient characteristics; (2) examination of age distributions and sex ratios; 3) calculation of case fatality and mortality rates; 4) geo-temporal analysis of viral spread; (5) epidemiological curve construction; and 6) subgroup analysis.

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Results: A total of 72,314 patient records—44,672 (61.8%) confirmed cases, 16,186 (22.4%) suspected cases, 10,567 (14.6%) clinically diagnosed cases (Hubei Province only), and 889 asymptomatic cases (1.2%)—contributed data for the analysis. Among confirmed cases, most were aged 30–79 years (86.6%), diagnosed in Hubei (74.7%), and considered mild (80.9%). A total of 1,023 deaths occurred among confirmed cases for an overall case fatality rate of 2.3%. The COVID-19 spread outward from Hubei Province sometime after December 2019, and by February 11, 2020, 1,386 counties across all 31 provinces were affected. The epidemic curve of onset of symptoms peaked around January 23–26, then began to decline leading up to February 11. A total of 1,716 health workers have become infected and 5 have died (0.3%).

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Conclusions: COVID-19 epidemic has spread very quickly taking only 30 days to expand from Hubei to the rest of Mainland China. With many people returning from a long holiday, China needs to prepare for the possible rebound of the epidemic.

WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros: "These data give us a better understanding about the age range of people affected, the severity of the disease and the mortality rate. The data also appear to show a decline in new COVID-19 cases. This trend must be interpreted very cautiously. Trends can change as new populations are affected. It’s too early to tell if this reported decline will continue. Every scenario is still on the table. Over 80% of patients have mild COVID-19 & will recover. In about 14% of cases, the virus causes severe disease, including pneumonia & shortness of breath. And about 5% of patients have critical disease incl. respiratory failure, septic shock & multi-organ failure. It also appears that COVID-19 is not as deadly as other coronaviruses including SARS and MERS. In 2% of reported COVID-19 cases, the virus is fatal & the risk of death increases the older you are. We see relatively few cases among children. More research is needed to understand why. These new data address some of the gaps in our understanding, but others remain."

PDF:
Vital SurveillancesThe Epidemiological Characteristics of an Outbreak of 2019 NovelCoronavirus Diseases (COVID-19) — China, 2020
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Coronavirus up to 20 times more likely than Sars to bind to human cells, study suggests
Gigi Choy
Published: 2:36pm, 18 Feb, 2020 | Updated: 2:36pm, 18 Feb, 2020

  • New strain appears to be more readily transmitted from human to human than Sars, Texas researchers find
  • Further studies needed to explore human host cells’ role in spread between people, the report says
The deadly new coronavirus is up to 20 times more likely to bind to human cell receptors and cause infection than severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), a new study by researchers at the University of Texas at Austin has found.

The novel coronavirus and Sars share the same functional host-cell receptor, called angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2).

The report, published on the website bioRxiv on Saturday, said the new coronavirus had around 10 to 20-fold higher affinity – the degree to which a substance tends to combine with another – for human ACE2 compared with Sars.

But the researchers added that further studies were needed to explore the human host-cell receptor’s role in helping the new virus to spread from person to person.

“Compared with SARS-CoV, 2019-nCoV appears to be more readily transmitted from human to human,” the report of the study said. “The high affinity of 2019-nCoV S for human ACE2 may contribute to the apparent ease with which 2019-nCoV can spread from human to human.”

The disease caused by the new coronavirus, which the World Health Organisation (WHO) has named Covid-19, has killed more than 1,800 people and infected over 70,000 worldwide.

The number of Covid-19 deaths is more than double the global figure of 813 attributed by the WHO to the Sars epidemic of 2002-03.

The new study found that although the novel coronavirus’ receptor-binding domain (RBD) had a relatively similar structure to that of Sars, it did not have appreciable binding to three published Sars RBD-specific monoclonal antibodies (mAbs), which are copies of one type of antibody used to neutralise pathogens.

The researchers said this suggested antibody cross-reactivity – the extent to which different antigens appear similar to the immune system – may be limited between the two virus RBDs, meaning Sars-directed mAbs will not necessarily work against the new virus.

Instead, they identified the spike protein of coronaviruses, which is essential to gain entry into host cells during the infection process, as the most important target for vaccines, therapeutic antibodies and diagnostics.

“Due to the indispensable function of the [spike] protein it represents a vulnerable target for antibody-mediated neutralisation,” the report said. “Knowing the atomic-level structure of the spike will support precision vaccine design and discovery of antivirals, facilitating medical countermeasure development.”

The WHO has declared the outbreak a global public health emergency, making it the sixth incident to date to warrant that designation.

There are currently no specific treatments for the novel coronavirus but the WHO director general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said last week that the first vaccine may be available in 18 months.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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This article won't be news to anyone who is following this thread. I'm posting it because it's now becoming reported by the MSM.


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China virus threatens global antibiotics supply: European business group
February 17, 2020 / 10:11 PM / Updated 6 hours ago

BEIJING (Reuters) - The world could face a shortage of antibiotics if the pharmaceutical industry’s supply problems posed by the coronavirus outbreak in China cannot soon be resolved, the head of a European business group in China warned on Tuesday.

EU Chamber of Commerce President Joerg Wuttke told a roundtable in Beijing that the synchronization of supplies in China was being hampered by the outbreak, also highlighting problems in the car industry, while inventories were surging.

He also noted that companies were running out of packaging material and faced challenges with regulatory uncertainties.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Mining giant BHP warns coronavirus could impact demand
The world's biggest miner warns demand for its products would likely dip due to the novel coronavirus outbreak

Agence France-Presse
Published 4:25 PM, February 18, 2020 | Updated 4:25 PM, February 18, 2020

SYDNEY, Australia – BHP, the world's biggest miner, warned Tuesday, February 18, that demand for resources could be hit by the novel coronavirus outbreak in China unless the epidemic is contained by the end of March.

The resources giant warned demand for its products would likely dip as a result of the novel coronavirus outbreak in China, with oil, copper, and steel use all set to decline if the disease continues to spread.

"If the viral outbreak is not demonstrably well contained within the March quarter, we expect to revise our expectations for economic and commodity demand growth downwards," it said in a statement.

More than 72,000 people have been infected by the virus that has killed over 1,800 people, the vast majority of them in China. (READ: Novel coronavirus could damage global growth in 2020 – IMF)

However, the company said it expected any impact to be temporary and BHP chief executive Mike Henry struck an upbeat note about the company's long-term outlook.

"Despite near-term uncertainty – due to the coronavirus outbreak, trade policy, and geopolitics – we remain convinced about the positive underlying fundamentals of our commodities," he said.

BHP issued the warning as it posted a US$4.8-billion profit for the 6 months to December 31, up from US$3.7 billion in the same period of 2018, largely on the back of higher iron ore prices.

Underlying profit – its preferred measure, which strips out one-off costs and is more closely watched by the market – rose 39% to US$5.2 billion, due to strong commodity prices and increased production.

The company declared a final dividend of 65 US cents, which it said was its second highest return to investors.

Meanwhile, Anglo-Australian miner Rio Tinto said it was resuming operations in Australia's Pilbara region after a destructive cyclone hit the area last week.

Tropical Cyclone Damien damaged roads, power lines, and cut communications across the mining hub, causing Rio Tinto to downgrade its iron ore export expectations for 2020 by up to 20 million tons.

The company said it was working with customers to minimize disruptions to supply.
 

Virtualco

Panic Early - Panic Often
Would we have utilities and services during a quarantine scenario

Hopefully the plan will be to move in trailers to house the plant workers and their families so the plants can be kept operational....

Several items of concern:
1. Chemical delivery to water and sewage treatment plants....
2. Coal and natural gas delivery to power plants....
3. Food delivery and sanitation at the plants....
4. Clothes and linen laundering....
5. Medical screening and medical care at the plants....
6. Replacement workers....

The military will be heavy involved with such undertakings....

And noting could go wrong with this....

Texican....
Texican, I have two volunteer jobs since retiring in October, one is the city local CERT (Community Emergency Response Team) and other at the local hospital. And I am glad they are volunteer jobs as I would hate to report for duty if Novid-19 goes 'viral'. I think some volunteers would bail in an emergency such as having family with kids home would be an issue.

Just glad I don't work outside the house and can sequester me and my DW.

I myself will bail because bringing this corona virus home to my wife who has NO immune system due to a chronic illness would be a death sentence for her.

But what about police, fire dept, paramedics, and other first responder. And as you say what about the water treatment personnel and sewer system.

I'm on city sewer/water and love it as it's always there, but what if it isn't?

Luckily I have been on this discussion forum many years, observing, listened and learned, and I am fully able to plan for being my own water system and sewer system in the city.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
He said gleefully.... :mad:

We still don't know what, if any, racial affinity Coronavirus may have. Assuming it affects all races equally I believe it will go through Africa like a scythe. I further believe that there are already unreported cases in Africa (beyond the single case reported in Eqypt very recently).

Africa's poor general infrastructure and - specifically - poor medical infrastructure guarantees that any cases will be late to be discovered. late to be treated and late to be quarantined. It has the makings to be a Biblical-level disaster. Additionally, I would expect many Africans to intentionally hide the fact that they were carrying the disease and to avoid compliance with quarantines mandated by the authorities.

The news will be slow to come out of Africa, but I daily expect to hear that a massive epidemic is underway there.

Best
Doc
 
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British couple quarantined on cruise ship diagnosed with coronavirus
February 18, 2020 sky-news UK 0
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British couple quarantined on cruise ship diagnosed with coronavirus


Published
at 3:43am 18th February 2020.
(Updated at 7:47am 18th February 2020)

A British couple who have been quarantined on a cruise ship in Japan have revealed they have been diagnosed with COVID-19.
David and Sally Abel have been posting regular updates online from the Diamond Princess, which has been docked off the coast of Yokohama since 3 February.
In a Facebook post on Tuesday, Mr Abel said: “There is going to be a time of quiet. We have been proved positive and leaving for hospital soon. Blessings all.”

However Mr Abel, from Oxfordshire, later said he doubted the diagnosis because he and his wife were being taken to a hostel instead of a hospital.

He wrote on Facebook: “Frankly i think this is a setup! We are NOT being taken to a hospital but a hostel. That’s where partners are sent waiting out there quarantine.
“No phone, no wi-fi and no medical facilities. I really am smelling a very big rat here! Waiting for the transfer now..”
When asked if he was sure the test for COVID-19 was positive, Mr Abel replied: “I doubt it was positive. If it was, we would be in hospital.”

The Foreign Office says it is “working to organise a flight” back to the UK for British nationals on the coronavirus-hit cruise ship – and those trapped are being “strongly encouraged” to take it.

Those in quarantine on the Diamond Princess are being contacted to make the necessary arrangements, with a spokesperson adding: “We urge all those who have not yet responded to get in touch immediately.”
More than 70 British nationals have faced an anxious wait to find out whether they will be evacuated from the cruise liner.

The Foreign Office had come under increasing pressure to bring them home after the US chartered two planes to repatriate 340 of its citizens – 14 of whom had been diagnosed with COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.
Those who had tested positive were moved to the back of the plane in a “specialised containment area” to be isolated – even though they did not display any symptoms.

Approximately half of all known cases of COVID-19 outside China have been found aboard the Diamond Princess.
About 450 people have tested positive since the cruise liner was ordered to stay under quarantine on 3 February.
Four Britons are among the confirmed cases, and they are currently in hospital in Japan.

In a letter to those still stranded, the FCO said: “We strongly encourage British nationals on board Diamond Princess, or those passengers now in separate quarantine accommodation ashore, to take this opportunity to return to the UK on this flight.

“If you disembark from the ship before this British government organised evacuation, there is a risk that you may find it difficult to return by other commercial means.”

Affected Britons are being told that they will not be charged for the flight – however, they will need to sign an agreement to complete 14 days of “supported isolation” in the UK.

Those on board have been given until 8pm local time (11am UK time) to express an interest in taking the flight.

British couple quarantined on cruise ship diagnosed with coronavirus

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COVID Confirmed Cases On Diamond Princess Increases to 542

By niman, 1 hour ago in Japan (2019-nCoV)


tested 681 people and found 88 new infections. Of these, 65 have no symptoms. This means that the cruise ship has inspected a total of 2404 passengers and crew members, and has confirmed a total of 542 infections.


https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200218/k10012290791000.html?utm_int=word_contents_list-items_001&word_result=新型肺炎・クルーズ船

Posted 1 hour ago

88 new infections confirmed on new virus cruise ship
February 18, 2020 18:10New type pneumonia / cruise ship
According to the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, a new cruise ship confirmed outbreak of the new coronavirus, "Diamond Princess," tested 681 people and found 88 new infections. Of these, 65 have no symptoms. This means that the cruise ship has inspected a total of 2404 passengers and crew members, and has confirmed a total of 542 infections.

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bw

Fringe Ranger
So what do you suppose happens when our at-promise-youths encounter this world?

well since this is the night for dreams: maybe it will be that brush with reality and it's bitter bite that their poorly prepared selves have lacked...and like the adversity that shaped, honed and brought into being our previous generations' resolve and character, they will be changed for the good.

"At promise youth" is Kali's new term for thugs. They already know reality. What they want is chaos where they can attack with impunity because the police are swamped and there's no one to track them down. What will they do in the coming storm?
 

Tarryn

Senior Member
Fox and friends first reported this morning that Corona is 20X more deadly than the regular flu. First time I have heard them come out and say it on MSM.

Saw this on the NYT this morning... The narrative has shifted.

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1229649502992306176



—The new coronavirus appears much deadlier than the seasonal flu —U.S. officials learned cruise ship evacuees were infected at the last minute —Cambodia’s leader is famously complacent about the coronavirus, which may exact a global toll
 

billet

Veteran Member
Your choice.

My Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth commands me to “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.". I chose to honor the Lord's Day at home with my family.
You don't then know that the Sabbath is the 7th day? You observed the first day of the week, which is commanded nowhere in the 66 books of the "Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth" you quote.
 
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NCGirl

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Posted 2 hours ago
British couple quarantined on cruise ship diagnosed with coronavirus
February 18, 2020 sky-news UK 0
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British couple quarantined on cruise ship diagnosed with coronavirus


Published
at 3:43am 18th February 2020.
(Updated at 7:47am 18th February 2020)

A British couple who have been quarantined on a cruise ship in Japan have revealed they have been diagnosed with COVID-19.
David and Sally Abel have been posting regular updates online from the Diamond Princess, which has been docked off the coast of Yokohama since 3 February.
In a Facebook post on Tuesday, Mr Abel said: “There is going to be a time of quiet. We have been proved positive and leaving for hospital soon. Blessings all.”

However Mr Abel, from Oxfordshire, later said he doubted the diagnosis because he and his wife were being taken to a hostel instead of a hospital.

He wrote on Facebook: “Frankly i think this is a setup! We are NOT being taken to a hospital but a hostel. That’s where partners are sent waiting out there quarantine.
“No phone, no wi-fi and no medical facilities. I really am smelling a very big rat here! Waiting for the transfer now..”
When asked if he was sure the test for COVID-19 was positive, Mr Abel replied: “I doubt it was positive. If it was, we would be in hospital.”

The Foreign Office says it is “working to organise a flight” back to the UK for British nationals on the coronavirus-hit cruise ship – and those trapped are being “strongly encouraged” to take it.

Those in quarantine on the Diamond Princess are being contacted to make the necessary arrangements, with a spokesperson adding: “We urge all those who have not yet responded to get in touch immediately.”
More than 70 British nationals have faced an anxious wait to find out whether they will be evacuated from the cruise liner.

The Foreign Office had come under increasing pressure to bring them home after the US chartered two planes to repatriate 340 of its citizens – 14 of whom had been diagnosed with COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.
Those who had tested positive were moved to the back of the plane in a “specialised containment area” to be isolated – even though they did not display any symptoms.

Approximately half of all known cases of COVID-19 outside China have been found aboard the Diamond Princess.
About 450 people have tested positive since the cruise liner was ordered to stay under quarantine on 3 February.
Four Britons are among the confirmed cases, and they are currently in hospital in Japan.

In a letter to those still stranded, the FCO said: “We strongly encourage British nationals on board Diamond Princess, or those passengers now in separate quarantine accommodation ashore, to take this opportunity to return to the UK on this flight.

“If you disembark from the ship before this British government organised evacuation, there is a risk that you may find it difficult to return by other commercial means.”

Affected Britons are being told that they will not be charged for the flight – however, they will need to sign an agreement to complete 14 days of “supported isolation” in the UK.

Those on board have been given until 8pm local time (11am UK time) to express an interest in taking the flight.

British couple quarantined on cruise ship diagnosed with coronavirus

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Damn

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32 min ago
Oversees workers from the Philippines allowed to return to Hong Kong and Macao
From journalist Jinky Jorgio in Manila

The Philippines is exempting its citizens who are employed abroad from a travel ban that barred them from returning to work in Hong Kong and Macao due to coronavirus fears, the Department of Foreign Affairs undersecretary tweeted Tuesday.

The travel restrictions were put in place by the Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte on February 2, leaving thousands of

Oversees Filipino Workers (OFWs), as the expat workers are known in the country, stranded in the Philippines.
The stuck OFWs were each awarded a cash aid of US$197 (10,000 Philippine peso) and provided with dormitories and food.

There are over 210,000 Filipino workers working in Hong Kong and 32,000 in Macao, according to CNN Philippines.

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Diamond Princess in Japan has a crew of hundreds of Filipinos.

The Diamond Princess is the largest incubator of Corona virus outside of China.

There is a very high probability the spread of infection on the ship was via the crew.

There is a very high probability most of the crew is infected.

These people will be going home soon.

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