That "vote" by the rump of the Iraqi parliament has about as much authority as Pelosi's calls to change the rules for impeachement in the Senate, the Sunnis and Kurds walked out on the Shia who called for and voted on that "measure".
BRKG ***CONFIRMED... Iran's Qassem Soleimani killed in US airstrike*** (i.e. BUCKLE UP!) - Iran counterattacks
That "vote" by the rump of the Iraqi parliament has about as much authority as Pelosi's calls to change the rules for impeachement in the Senate, the Sunnis and Kurds walked out on the Shia who called for and voted on that "measure".
New here, but I’ve speculated on Iran and the US clashing for years. Be easy as I’m new here. I think the whole war on terror has been about Iran since 2003. Invading Iraq seemed pointless.
I stepped back and tried to see the big picture and I saw Iran. We were in Afghanistan, lukewarm with Pakistan, had overflight permission with Turkmenistan, and controlled the gulf probably with a boomer. That put us to the north, east, and south of Iran.
So to implement a full on squeeze play, we invade Iraq. And in the following years, cracks in Iranian leadership were developing. Until Dronie McPeacePrize and his pallets of cash. Which I think has Trump in this dire predicament. Trump is the man to right this ship if it can be done.
I stepped back and tried to see the big picture and I saw Iran. We were in Afghanistan, lukewarm with Pakistan, had overflight permission with Turkmenistan, and controlled the gulf probably with a boomer. That put us to the north, east, and south of Iran.
So to implement a full on squeeze play, we invade Iraq. And in the following years, cracks in Iranian leadership were developing. Until Dronie McPeacePrize and his pallets of cash. Which I think has Trump in this dire predicament. Trump is the man to right this ship if it can be done.
bw
Fringe Ranger
There's no shallow end of the pool here, but we'll do our best.
jward
passin' thru
hmmm dare we hope that there's hope...? Nah. j
Elizabeth Tsurkov
@Elizrael
·
3h
Partisanship has hijacked everything. Leftists promised us WW3 after the assassination, but It failed to materialize, so now they're latching onto this, blaming Trump for Iran shooting down a plane. As a liberal, I find this embarrassing.
Elizabeth Tsurkov
@Elizrael
·
3h
Partisanship has hijacked everything. Leftists promised us WW3 after the assassination, but It failed to materialize, so now they're latching onto this, blaming Trump for Iran shooting down a plane. As a liberal, I find this embarrassing.
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
We probably have at least one boomer in the area of the Gulf, I have heard we have at least one attack sub inside the gulf loaded with a full loadout of tomahawk cruise missiles. Iran probably needs to attack again to keep their population in check and supporting the ruling clerics.
Another Iranian attack will take place, probably by Sunday of this week. Then watch the can of whoop a^^ pres trump will lay on them. I still think he will hit a major religious/cultural site in Iran as retaliation. Qom gets my vote for Iranian cultural site most likely to be pounded into concrete dust and tattered bloodstained mullah robes.
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
On a quiet,subtle war footing,actually. Bases are still at Charlie, dc leaders are worrying about sniper attacks on. Gov folks in DC per local news. Which means FBI and atf snipers are probably on top of every gov agency building in the district court Doing 27/7 watches. Thinking patriot battery at navy yard may be up and running, SAM site at the base near us is. Look in the BS under the bird watching thread for more details....
Oh, could I have a caffeine free coke zero on ice please? Loving your snack bar!
Caught a coupla snips today from different Oklahoma congresstypes.
They mentioned that our oil & gas companies are possible targets, then said all energy companies.
The timing & how it was framed just struck me as odd.
It was implied that they were talking about domestic facilities....or that's how I took it.
They mentioned that our oil & gas companies are possible targets, then said all energy companies.
The timing & how it was framed just struck me as odd.
It was implied that they were talking about domestic facilities....or that's how I took it.
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Iranian gunboats dropped in the Houston ship channel from an anonymous RORO (roll on,roll off ship-the kind that brings cars here from other countries) ship could make a mess of things. Iran used human wave attacks in the iran Iraq war, suicide navy crews wouldn't be too much of a stretch for them.
As i see it, if we get a second round of this going by whatever mechanism, I'm guessing POTUS is likely issue orders to go after the IRGC's strategic forces, then their internal security apparatus as well as very likely Khamenei himself, in large part because Suleimani directly reported to him and thus was under his direct command, making him fully responsible for Suleimani's activities. After that, I'd guess any WMD infrastructure would be next with Iran's integrated air defense systems (IADS) by necessity being neutralized first.
Just with the 6 B-52s reportedly stationed at Diego Garcia, you're talking about a minimum of 240 individual aim points within Iran (assuming 500 Lb class JDAMs and two per aim point and 80 per BUFF, and that's not even looking at everything else available).
Just with the 6 B-52s reportedly stationed at Diego Garcia, you're talking about a minimum of 240 individual aim points within Iran (assuming 500 Lb class JDAMs and two per aim point and 80 per BUFF, and that's not even looking at everything else available).
Doesn't Iran have a boatload of ADA?
Much of it is probably old and of limited range, but still a consideration.
Much of it is probably old and of limited range, but still a consideration.
Yup. Kill the SAM and radar sites and what's left of the Iranian Air force and BUFF can orbit at 20 K all day making deliveries....At that point the ADA of concern are the Iranian versions of the KS-19 100 mm air defense gun....
jward
passin' thru
JDAM
The Joint Direct Attack Munition is a guidance kit that converts unguided bombs, or "dumb bombs", into all-weather precision-guided munitions. Wikipedia
Maximum firing range: Up to 15 nautical miles (28 km)
Guidance system: Inertial guidance/GPS
Unit cost: About US$25,000 (Depends on acquisition lot. Foreign sales have considerably higher prices.)
Accuracy: Specified 13 meters; Realized around 7 meters
Length: 9.9–12.75 feet (3.02–3.89 m)
In service: 1997–present
Wingspan: 19.6 to 25 inches (500 to 640 mm)
The Joint Direct Attack Munition is a guidance kit that converts unguided bombs, or "dumb bombs", into all-weather precision-guided munitions. Wikipedia
Maximum firing range: Up to 15 nautical miles (28 km)
Guidance system: Inertial guidance/GPS
Unit cost: About US$25,000 (Depends on acquisition lot. Foreign sales have considerably higher prices.)
Accuracy: Specified 13 meters; Realized around 7 meters
Length: 9.9–12.75 feet (3.02–3.89 m)
In service: 1997–present
Wingspan: 19.6 to 25 inches (500 to 640 mm)
jward
passin' thru
A surface-to-air missile (SAM), or ground-to-air missile (GTAM /ˈdʒiːtæm/), is a missile designed to be launched from the ground to destroy aircraft or other missiles. It is one type of antiaircraft system; in modern armed forces, missiles have replaced most other forms of dedicated antiaircraft weapons, with anti-aircraft guns pushed into specialized roles. Examples for ground and naval air missiles are the Raytheon Standard Missile 2, Raytheon Standard Missile 6 at Arleigh Burke-class destroyer of the United States Navy, or the MBDA Aster Missile at ships of the british Royal Navy like the Type 45 destroyer and ships of the French Navy like the Horizon-class frigate.
This might light off some 
Border Patrol Circulates Intel Alert Titled ‘Suspected Suicide Bomber en Route to the U.S.’
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Border Patrol Circulates Intel Alert Titled ‘Suspected Suicide Bomber en Route to the U.S.’
TERRORISM - Border Patrol Circulates Intel Alert Titled ‘Suspected Suicide Bomber en Route to the U.S.’
Authorities along the U.S. border are on alert after receiving a law enforcement intelligence warning about a possible suicide bomber heading north toward the U.S.-Mexico Border. Breitbart obtained an exclusive copy of the leaked official document from a source operating under the umbrella of...
The Hammer
Has No Life - Lives on TB
We made it! Page 100! 
We made it! Page 100!
Well, to be truthful...
I wish it had been some other topic.
Like a pictorial history of the Swedish Bikini Team.
Bubble Head
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not to late to post a picture from the achieves. Just to make sure they still work of course.
blackjeep
The end times are here.
Well it should be 100 pages. It's the top story of 2020!We made it! Page 100!
jward
passin' thru
I think the conflict has moved in 2 new directions.
Away from Iran
Towards everywhere
Nothing to win for Iran direct conflict with US. US would retaliate with force and the winners would be Turkey, House if Saud, and to a lesser extent Assad. Secondary winners Russia and China.
Iran be despotic but they have been very clever power players pushing the envelope but doing most of their damage with 3rd part proxies. Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia are fighting to be top dog as muslims use sheer numbers to overwhelm the west from outside and inside in 10-15 years. It’s demographics and the only outside force with the numbers to compete is very East.
The battles will shift IMHO to terrorism here in the US if possible and at Israel. They would like to leave Europe and Scandinavian countries alone while they continue to add as many new muslims as possible before there is increased backlash and restrictions as western society’s revolt against their Globalist leaders drive to societal self destruction.
The proxies and many terror groups do not have centralized control so there are likely too many threats to keep track and an even harder way to determine who to blame.
Remember if things do happen most if not all ‘news’ reports are bullstuff and are entirely media outlet agenda driven not facts and information driven.
Our best ally from long term common interests is really Russia but the Demo’s poisoned that well to take down Trump.
Keep safe and keep alert the country needs more lerts.
Away from Iran
Towards everywhere
Nothing to win for Iran direct conflict with US. US would retaliate with force and the winners would be Turkey, House if Saud, and to a lesser extent Assad. Secondary winners Russia and China.
Iran be despotic but they have been very clever power players pushing the envelope but doing most of their damage with 3rd part proxies. Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia are fighting to be top dog as muslims use sheer numbers to overwhelm the west from outside and inside in 10-15 years. It’s demographics and the only outside force with the numbers to compete is very East.
The battles will shift IMHO to terrorism here in the US if possible and at Israel. They would like to leave Europe and Scandinavian countries alone while they continue to add as many new muslims as possible before there is increased backlash and restrictions as western society’s revolt against their Globalist leaders drive to societal self destruction.
The proxies and many terror groups do not have centralized control so there are likely too many threats to keep track and an even harder way to determine who to blame.
Remember if things do happen most if not all ‘news’ reports are bullstuff and are entirely media outlet agenda driven not facts and information driven.
Our best ally from long term common interests is really Russia but the Demo’s poisoned that well to take down Trump.
Keep safe and keep alert the country needs more lerts.
The Russia/Ukraine Invasion thread went over 19K posts and almost 5years.
marsh
On TB every waking moment
JANUARY 9TH, 2020Iran Sent Messages Through ‘Three Back Channels’ To U.S. After Attack To Say They Were Done
By James Barrett
DailyWire.com
Details have begun to emerge about Iran’s ballistic missile attack on two Iraqi bases Tuesday, including what was reportedly going on behind the scenes almost immediately after the strikes. According to CNN’s sources, soon after the strikes were over, Iran reached out to the U.S. “through at least three back channels” to make clear that their “fierce revenge” for the killing of Iran’s top military leader was over.
“Iran initiated contact through at least three back channels starting late Tuesday, including through Switzerland and other countries,” CNN reports. “There were ‘multiple messages and they were all the same,’ a person familiar with the matter said. Iran wanted to convey their retaliatory action had ended — and was waiting to see how the US would respond.”
“The back-and-forth communication came as American officials were still determining the extent of the Iranian attacks, and were formulating plans for a response,” the network explains. “In response, the US sought to communicate to Iran that its proxies in the region were of equal concern as the activities of the Iranian state, the person familiar said.”
The Swiss Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed in a statement that its diplomatic channel has been used multiple times prior to the incident Tuesday to exchange messages between the U.S. and Iran and urged “maximum restraint” from both sides.
“Switzerland is deeply concerned about the heavy tensions between the U.S. and Iran and the latest cycle of violent confrontations in Iraq,” the Swiss Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement reported by CNN. “We call on all sides to exercise maximum restraint and to avoid any further escalation. Switzerland stands ready to support initiatives of the international community that seek de-escalation in the region.”
Along with reportedly communicating through back channels that it sought to de-escalate, Iran’s foreign minister issued a public statement Tuesday night indicating that the strikes would be the only military actions the regime undertook for the killing of General Qassem Soleimani, head of Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps-Quds Force, a U.S.-designated terrorist organization.
“Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter targeting base from which cowardly armed attack against our citizens & senior officials were launched,” Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif tweeted after the attack Tuesday night. “We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression.”
As CNN notes, some Trump administration officials increasingly believe that Iran deliberately missed areas populated by U.S. personnel.
Trump revealed in his televised statement Wednesday that “no Americans were harmed in last night’s attack by the Iranian regime.”
“We suffered no casualties, all of our soldiers are safe, and only minimal damage was sustained at our military bases,” said the president, adding later, “No American or Iraqi lives were lost because of the precautions taken, the dispersal of forces, and an early warning system that worked very well.”
Trump also announced that Iran appeared to be “standing down,” which he described as “a good thing for all parties concerned, and a very good thing for the world.”
In the address, the president announced new economic sanctions on Iran that would be imposed “immediately.” He also made clear that the status quo from Iran in the region was unacceptable.
“For far too long, all the way back to 1979, to be exact, nations have tolerated Iran’s destructive and destabilizing behavior in the Middle East. Those days are over,” Trump asserted. “Iran has been the leading state sponsor of terrorism, and their pursuit of nuclear weapons threatens the civilized world. We will never let that happen.”
Possible, but I don't think POTUS is going to let "plausible deniability" be the shield it has been in the past for such actions via proxy....
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
3-21 meters... 3 being a shot where everything aligns in their favor ( which never happens ). IMHO, I would put them at the high end of the accuracy range... Which is still pretty danged good
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Of course, they did it. And, the proof is their refusal to turn over the black box and now, since the pressure is being turned up... Oh, look... They are damaged...
Iran says it will not give black box of Ukrainian plane to Boeing
Video footage of the flight shows that it was on fire shortly after taking off, crashing shortly thereafter. All 176 people on board were killed.
www.jpost.com
Iranian officials say black box from crashed Ukraine flight is damaged | CNN
CNN's Fred Pleitgen reports.
www.cnn.com
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Attack on Saudi Oil Refineries Proves the Devastating Potential of Iranian Cruise Missiles
By
Tamir Eshel
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Sep 14, 2019
Attack on Saudi Oil Refineries Proves the Devastating Potential of Iranian Cruise Missiles - Defense Update:
On the night of September 14, 2019, several attacks rocked two strategic infrastructure sites in Saudi Arabia. One target was a large oil field at Khurais, recently developed by the Saudi national oil company Aramco. The second is the company’s main processing center and one of the world’s...defense-update.com
Still can't believe Saudi Arabia let that slide...
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
But, it DOES want it...
I will refer you here:
WAR - IRAN ATTACKS - KNOW YOUR ENEMY
This is an older video, made under Mahmoud Ahmadinejad term but the underlying belief system is the same and it is what the ruling class of mullahs believe. If you think we are taking on a rationale and logical state, you will be caught unawares. This war is what Iran has wanted for decades...
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Maybe...
But, an "Arab source" would blame the Jews 99% of the time no matter who did it...
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Just curious why you choose Sunday? I always expect things for Friday, after mosque service conclude...
dberszerker
Veteran Member
This is the game changer, and there only appears to be a pause in the action at the moment. I don't think this whole situation will stay in the box for much longer. Took me a bit to catch up on this thread, had to read it in small segments. Great information gathered here on many angles of view. Dang things have been strangely quiet here lately.....
Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
you deserve more than a participation trophy for that one. You get TB2K's Dude of the Day trophy.
