Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
That wasn't a dig at yourself,
BRKG ***CONFIRMED... Iran's Qassem Soleimani killed in US airstrike*** (i.e. BUCKLE UP!) - Iran counterattacks
That wasn't a dig at yourself,
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Garcon! Garcon!! Could you bring a room key for these two?!!?
pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
I pity the fool....!
Impressive video of anti-missle defense in Iraq. 2.18 minutes.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4g3z8EJVfI
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Naur[#DownWithCorpos]Today at 10:16 AM
Elijah J. Magnier (@ejmalrai)
#BreakingNews:
All #Iraqi groups, including Sayyed Moqtada al-Sadr' Jaish al-Mahdi, agreed to unite their objective and force the #US forces out of #Iraq if the withdrawal request is ignored.
View: https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1216755468019826689
Elijah J. Magnier (@ejmalrai)
#BreakingNews:
All #Iraqi groups, including Sayyed Moqtada al-Sadr' Jaish al-Mahdi, agreed to unite their objective and force the #US forces out of #Iraq if the withdrawal request is ignored.
View: https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1216755468019826689
World War 3 fears intensify as US army base in Iraq targeted
US forces at the Camp Taji base north of Baghdad have been targeted by multiple rockets on Tuesday evening.
www.express.co.uk
US forces at the Camp Taji base north of Baghdad have been targeted by multiple rockets on Tuesday evening.
By BRIAN MCGLEENON
PUBLISHED: 19:03, Tue, Jan 14, 2020 | UPDATED: 20:30, Tue, Jan 14, 2020
The number of American casualties from the strike still unknown The strike on the US Army base has reignited fears of conflict in the region. At least one rocket is believed to have landed close to gates of the base, which is home to coalition forces near Baghdad. Reports say at least one member of security forces has been injured.
Freelance Journalist based in the Middle East Danny Makki tweeted, “the injured security member is reportedly Iraqi".
He added: “One of the Katyusha rockets landed near one of the gates, with a member of security forces apparently wounded.
“2 katyusha rockets have reportedly hit Camp Taji.”
Mr Makki has described reports suggesting “the attack was apparently ‘huge’”
Re. #4126-
I went and checked the source because the outgoing looked like tracers to me - lasers don't curve.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=138&v=O4g3z8EJVfI&feature=emb_logo
Anti Missile defense system in action during the missile attack #Arma3 This concept is helpful to avoid damages. This idea is from video game Arma 3 not a real scenario , I hope you will like it.
I went and checked the source because the outgoing looked like tracers to me - lasers don't curve.
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Anti Missile defense system in action during the missile attack #Arma3 This concept is helpful to avoid damages. This idea is from video game Arma 3 not a real scenario , I hope you will like it.
Thanks for the correction, I was misled.
mzkitty
I give up.
Hmmm................. hate to drag this thread up again, but:
Eleven US Troops Were Injured in Jan. 8 Iran Missile Strike
The troops were medevaced this week to Germany and Kuwait to be treated for traumatic brain injury after experiencing concussion symptoms.
www.defenseone.com
mzkitty
I give up.
[B]Dogë[/B] @[B]IntelDoge[/B] 2m2 minutes ago
#BREAKING - According to CNN, the Pentagon has confirmed 11 soldiers were wounded in the #Iran|ian attack on Al-Asad Air Base in #Iraq - US previously stated that there were zero injuries in the attack. (@jimsciutto)
Heliobas Disciple
TB Fanatic
Thanks for the update mzkitty. I can't say I'm surprised. I posted during the heat of it that it would be really hard to cover up casualties, especially large numbers of them. I will not be surprised if it comes out at a later date that there were deaths that night as well. You just can't cover that up for very long. So now the question is did POTUS know and pretend it didn't happen to stop a larger escalation or was it kept from him? It would be interesting to know but I doubt we ever will.
HD
HD
naegling62
Veteran Member
There is a report on a prohibited site that has info also, the "truth" is about to change.
Heliobas Disciple
TB Fanatic
Interesting. Did it say in what way? ie: deaths and more injuries? If the source is reliable (vs the site you saw it on) can you post a link to the source article? thanks
HD
naegling62
Veteran Member
The site is unreliable, but the info contained is specific and time will tell if there is any truth to it. Numerous casualties. The official story just doesn't make sense.
Martinhouse
Deceased
I didn't check to be certain, but I think these last posts are talking about a prohibited source obtained from another prohibited source.
I came across it on that source before it was posted on this thread and it won't take anyone much guessing to find it for themselves.
I came across it on that source before it was posted on this thread and it won't take anyone much guessing to find it for themselves.
Well, Mzkitty, that sure puts your post in the other thread that I copied below in a whole different light.
(post 2311 at WAR - Main Persian Gulf Trouble thread)
(post 2311 at WAR - Main Persian Gulf Trouble thread)
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Elijah J. Magnier (@ejmalrai)
#BreakingNews:
All #Iraqi groups, including Sayyed Moqtada al-Sadr' Jaish al-Mahdi, agreed to unite their objective and force the #US forces out of #Iraq if the withdrawal request is ignored.
They're likely meeting with all the senior leaders in a phone booth down the block from here, down in sheet head country.
#BreakingNews:
All #Iraqi groups, including Sayyed Moqtada al-Sadr' Jaish al-Mahdi, agreed to unite their objective and force the #US forces out of #Iraq if the withdrawal request is ignored.
They're likely meeting with all the senior leaders in a phone booth down the block from here, down in sheet head country.
US troops were injured in Iran missile attack despite Pentagon initially saying there were no casualties
Several US service members were injured during last week's Iranian missile attack on Al-Asad airbase in Iraq despite the Pentagon initially saying that no casualties were suffered.
www.cnn.com
(CNN)Several US service members were injured during last week's Iranian missile attack on Al-Asad airbase in Iraq despite the Pentagon initially saying that no casualties had taken place.
"While no U.S. service members were killed in the Jan. 8 Iranian attack on Al Asad Air base, several were treated for concussion symptoms from the blast and are still being assessed," the US-led military coalition fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria said in a statement Thursday.
"Out of an abundance of caution, service members were transported from Al Asad Air Base, Iraq to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany for follow-on screening. When deemed fit for duty, the service members are expected to return to Iraq following screening," the statement added.
A US military official told CNN that 11 service members had been injured in the attack, which was launched in retaliation for the US airstrikes that had killed Iranian Gen. Qasem Soleimani the previous week. Defense One was first to report on the injured service members.
Following the attack the Pentagon said that no casualties had resulted from the 16 missiles fired by Iran. The US military defines a casualty as either an injury or fatality involving personnel.
Asked about the apparent discrepancy, a Defense official told CNN, "That was the commander's assessment at the time. Symptoms emerged days after the fact, and they were treated out of an abundance of caution."
"We corrected the record today," Jonathan Hoffman, the chief Pentagon spokesman, told CNN. The Office of the Secretary of Defense "learned about these injuries today and directed a statement go out immediately."
(Bolding is mine)
Later on Thursday night, Capt. Bill Urban -- the spokesperson for US Central Command, which oversees troops in the Middle East -- said eight individuals were transported to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany and three were sent to Camp Arifjan in Kuwait for "follow-on screening."
"As a standard procedure, all personnel in the vicinity of a blast are screened for traumatic brain injury, and if deemed appropriate are transported to a higher level of care," Urban said in a statement. "All soldiers in the immediate blast area were screened and assessed per standard procedure, according to the Defense Department. ... When deemed fit for duty, the service members are expected to return to Iraq following screening."
Last week, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper had said the initial assessment found only damage to property.
"The current (Battle Damage Assessment) is, if you will, again, we can get you details, things like tentage, taxiways, the parking lot, a damaged helicopter, things like that; nothing that I would describe as major, at least as I note at this point in time. So that's the state of -- of the attack at this point as we know it. Most importantly, no casualties, no friendly casualties, whether they are US, coalition, contractor, etc.," Esper said.
The news of the injuries come after Iran fired at two Iraqi bases housing US troops in retaliation for Soleimani's killing in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad. The administration sought to cast its strike on Soleimani as an attempt to de-escalate tensions with Iran, but Tehran has described it as an "act of war" and "state terrorism." Soleimani had been the second most powerful official in the country.
US officials have offered differing accounts of what they see as the motivations behind Iran's attack. Vice President Mike Pence said last week that the administration believes the strikes "were intended to kill Americans," and Army Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he believed that the attacks "were intended to cause structural damage, destroy vehicles and equipment and aircraft, and to kill personnel."
But a growing belief emerged among administration officials last week that Iran had deliberately missed areas populated by Americans. Multiple administration officials told CNN that Iran could have directed its missiles to areas populated by Americans, but intentionally did not. And those officials said Iran may have chosen to send a message rather than take action significant enough to provoke a substantial US military response, a possible signal the Trump administration was looking for a rationale to calm the tensions.
Iraq did receive a warning that the strike was coming and was able to take "necessary precautions," according to a statement from Iraq's Prime Minister Adil Abdul Mahdi. A US defense official said that Iraq, in turn, warned the United States.
Iran's UN ambassador said last Friday that the Iraqi bases housing US troops had been primarily selected to demonstrate target accuracy, not to kill Americans, disputing public claims made by top Trump administration officials.
"We said before we took our military action that we would choose the timing and the place, and we chose the place where the attack against Soleimani was initiated," Ambassador Majid Takht Ravanchi told CNN's John Berman on "New Day" last Friday when asked about Pence's comments. "And we do not consider a high number of casualties as an instrumental element in our calculations."
This story has been updated with additional information on the attack.
CNN's Caroline Kelly, Kylie Atwood, Pamela Brown, Kaitlan Collins, Jim Sciutto, Ryan Browne, Barbara Starr and Paul LeBlanc contributed to this report.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
"This story has been updated with additional information on the attack.
CNN's Caroline Kelly, Kylie Atwood, Pamela Brown, Kaitlan Collins, Jim Sciutto, Ryan Browne, Barbara Starr and Paul LeBlanc contributed to this report."
Man there's only 3 people on that list I trust...
Gotta remember that TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) doesn't show immediately.
As to were these known at the time of the BDA (battle Damage Assessment) I would highly doubt it. They didn't show until MED Call the next day or the day after when the ringing hadn't gone away and the woosies has set in SOLID (errr loosely..depending)
m I SURPRISED at the reportage delay?
Nope.
They're not in DC. The reporters aren't IN Iraq, and Sciutro is VERY MUCH NOT tightly attached in Iraq, Barbie StarrKins IS but she's a reliable source not given to running on vapors. She likes to have some honest info before she tweets or dispatches. She's actually good, and fair to DJT, mostly, IMNTBHO
CNN's Caroline Kelly, Kylie Atwood, Pamela Brown, Kaitlan Collins, Jim Sciutto, Ryan Browne, Barbara Starr and Paul LeBlanc contributed to this report."
Man there's only 3 people on that list I trust...
Gotta remember that TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) doesn't show immediately.
As to were these known at the time of the BDA (battle Damage Assessment) I would highly doubt it. They didn't show until MED Call the next day or the day after when the ringing hadn't gone away and the woosies has set in SOLID (errr loosely..depending)
m I SURPRISED at the reportage delay?
Nope.
They're not in DC. The reporters aren't IN Iraq, and Sciutro is VERY MUCH NOT tightly attached in Iraq, Barbie StarrKins IS but she's a reliable source not given to running on vapors. She likes to have some honest info before she tweets or dispatches. She's actually good, and fair to DJT, mostly, IMNTBHO
jward
passin' thru
Mike (@Doranimated) Tweeted:
Why did Rouhani insult Khamenei today at the Friday prayers, by ostentatiously leaving early? Mike on Twitter View: https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1218224287414439936?s=20
Why did Rouhani insult Khamenei today at the Friday prayers, by ostentatiously leaving early? Mike on Twitter View: https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1218224287414439936?s=20
jward
passin' thru
Interesting posts regarding the US soldier's injuries, and them possibly being hidden!
...i recall about a week or so back, about the time two Afghanistan soldiers were reported
killed, presumably ied related, that there was a lot of inneundo in twitter-verse about
there actually being casualties, and to expect trickled reports of deaths to be reported as
though they occurred elsewhere...
:: Shruggin :: possible I imagine. I dismissed it as trolling efforts by unknowns at the time...
...i recall about a week or so back, about the time two Afghanistan soldiers were reported
killed, presumably ied related, that there was a lot of inneundo in twitter-verse about
there actually being casualties, and to expect trickled reports of deaths to be reported as
though they occurred elsewhere...
:: Shruggin :: possible I imagine. I dismissed it as trolling efforts by unknowns at the time...
jward
passin' thru
.... previously reported at time, too, but worth sharing his repeat...
Dan Bongino (@dbongino) Tweeted:
OBAMA National Security Adviser Says Trump's Soleimani Killing was "Absolutely Correct" OBAMA National Security Adviser Says Trump's Soleimani Killing was "Absolutely Correct" – Dan Bongino View: https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1218254261274009601?s=20
Dan Bongino (@dbongino) Tweeted:
OBAMA National Security Adviser Says Trump's Soleimani Killing was "Absolutely Correct" OBAMA National Security Adviser Says Trump's Soleimani Killing was "Absolutely Correct" – Dan Bongino View: https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1218254261274009601?s=20
I wonder what he said? It looked like he saw something/someone off to his left (offscreen) which triggered his desire to get up and leave abruptly. I don't think it was a sudden physical need... he displayed no uneasiness or discomfort before his sudden move..
Summerthyme
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Is it possible that these soldier's injuries were kept hidden to keep the perception going that "peace' is holding between the US and Iran? I can see where one or two of these soldiers might not present symptoms right away, but all 11 at the same time?
jward
passin' thru
That's been the speculations across-the-board in twitter-verse for the full 15 minutes of fame nothing burgers garnish... Been a while, nothing factuals come down yet that ive seen. Agree it wasn't a physical issue, of course...::shruggin::
jward
passin' thru
It is possible, imo, that injuries and deaths were cloaked for any number of reasons.
It is also possible that some are just making it into the pipeline. My only sources outside
twitter are off grid at moment, so... I really don't have a clear sense.
Anything is possible. I trust DJT like no other commander, though, and am thus more OK
with not knowing than I would be otherwise.
John Deere Girl
Veteran Member
Repeating what Night Driver said, TBI's can take a few days to show up. Most people who are in the military also don't like to go to sick bay because of the consequences.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's no question whether I trust Trump. I just thought it odd, and what the possibilities could be. There's a lot going on that we aren't privy to, I'm sure.
Snyper
Veteran Member
The "idea" may be from a video game but the weapon exists in the real world.
Phalanx CIWS - Wikipedia
jward
passin' thru
Thanks for this, I thought it might be, but wasn't sure and didn't have time to chase down info.
...so now I am back to wondering if the trolls are foreign or domestics... ( Or if such a distinction really exists these days )
Not really that likely. Closed head injuries (aka TBI, Traumatic Brain Injuries, commonly and previously called concussions) don't always manifest symptoms immediately. Or, more accurately, it's almost impossible to tell what are temporary, minor (and expected) signs after hitting your head, or being too close to a concussive blast or shock, and what are the earliest sign of a TBI.
When our youngest son fell 22 feet, landing on his face, he never lost consciousness. He clearly wasn't "right" (he was walking like someone in a zombie movie, and just kept repeating, "I broke my face"), but the CT scan showed no bleeding, and he seemed ok within a few hours.
But he wasn't... and his symptoms went from minor/non-existent to major over the next few weeks. It wasn't until I got him in to see a specialist in TBI that we discovered what the l9cal quacks were calling "typical teenage passive aggressive behavior" was in fact, due to him suffering from 2-3 absence seizure (formerly called petit mal seizures) an hour!
A CT scan 6 weeks later showed signs of "lesions" on his brain, in the classic area for a contra coup injury... what happens when your brain bounces around inside the skull.
However, anyone who didn't know him well wouldn't have noticed anything "off" about him... unless they were talking to him when he suddenly had a seizure.
When you add in the fact that these are soldiers... mostly young, fit, and in a job where "tough" is part of the job description... and it's not at all surprising they didn't report symptoms right away. Not even taking into consideration the other circumstances... in a war zone, with a good possibility they could have been under continued attack, etc...
Summerthyme
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yes, thanks Summerthyme! I have no medical knowledge in this area other than our son getting blown up in Afghanistan with two of his buddies. Their concussions were immediately diagnosed. Not all are the same, I guess.