BRKG ***CONFIRMED... Iran's Qassem Soleimani killed in US airstrike*** (i.e. BUCKLE UP!) - Iran counterattacks

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Or, Thursday in the ME....

Global: MilitaryInfo (@Global_Mil_Info) Tweeted:
Senior #Iran military commander: "The missile attack on US targets was the start of an operation that’ll continue across the region." خبرگزاری فارس on Twitter View: https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1215255610645786630?s=20


As I said in post #3805:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1215051739793186819
View: https://twitter.com/ShaolinTom/status/1215051739793186819?s=09

Tom 'ℂonnor (@ShaolinTom)
Iran's UN mission officially informs that the missile attack on US bases in Iraq was pursuant to Article 51 and Tehran "does not seek escalation or war." Permanent Rep. Majid Takht Ravanchi has confirmed to @tass_agency that the operation "has concluded." Photo via @miryou...

It appears to me our "operation" is done and the iranian one ain't even warmed up yet. I see things wrong with this where safety of personnel and expensive assets are concerned. Not to mention things here in the states.

I wasn't expecting a single "operation", I wanted to kill the patient on the table and get it over with.
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
Iran is contemplating their next move. The USA has beaten down every regime that stood in our path. We don’t have to have a boot on the ground to wipe these people out and they know it. They can bomb a mall or two hit a power plant and do some damage. The aftermath for Iran will be devastating. We don’t need the me oil or gas to go on but they literally won’t be in the fossil fuel business any more. Their people won’t have power, running water sewer a military or any kind of an economy. We will take a body blow but their leadership will cease to exist. Their country will cease to exist in modern terms. I think they realize that Russia and China can do but only so much. And they will not risk war or economic peril for Iran. Or any other ME country for that matter. They simply don’t like them.
 
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jward

passin' thru
It appears to me our "operation" is done and the iranian one ain't even warmed up yet. I see things wrong with this where safety of personnel and expensive assets are concerned. Not to mention things here in the states.

I wasn't expecting a single "operation", I wanted to kill the patient on the table and get it over with.

I am that ignorant & uneducated slip o' a woman who truly knows nothing about any of this. But, I don't think anything at all has changed in the dynamics of these two state actors, their proxies, or the dance of aggression in which they are engaged.

It's macabrely fascinating to see how much the laws of bloodshed and virginal Victorian courtship have in common. This may be, as I said elsewhere, an interlude for the band between sets, but the first set of waltzes haven't begun in ernest, let alone wrapped up! This party is just getting started, and everyone is sweet talking to calm the markets and citizenry and what not, but there will be ongoing, and eventually, increased escalation in the provocotive actions of Iran. Probably sooner rather than later, if those sanctions really have them in as bad of shape as suggested. MOON.,my own opinion naturally...

ETA Oh. I would add our folks safety is always a concern, of course. However, this level of firefight and need for caution is not new to them... they're up to it, and then some. A whole lotta some, I assume.But, basically, nothing has really changed.
 
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Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Trump let them know that he wasn't playing by the old rules.

It may take another strike like this to get their attention.

I'm guessing we have a boatload of intel on them that never gets acted on.
 

GenErik

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mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
“Example: In 1992, IDF killed the Sec General of Hezbollah. Where did Iran retaliate? In Buenos Aires with a truck bomb driven into the Israeli embassy. That attack killed 29 people. Another attack two years later took place at the Jewish Community Center killing 85 people,” Ali continued. “Those examples are pretty tight timelines for Iranians. The Iranian gov sees revenge as almost a generational thing…their timeline can be in months/years. Revenge always doesn’t come via a show of force they take PUBLIC credit for.”

What is the difference between Iran's revenge (for this general) that takes place a day or a week or a month or a year after the original event and their normal, ongoing, war against the west where weekly, around the world soldiers and civilians alike are maimed and killed by Iranian actors and their proxies?

And between now and their final revenge for general salami how many more Iranian deaths will occur that require a whole new cycle of revenge?

At what point does civil society, once and for all, put down the rabid dogs in their midst or is the world doomed to forever suffer under a never ending cycle of revenge killing perpetuated by a minority of mankind?
 

poppy

Veteran Member
Pay no attention to what Iran says. They are always full of bluster. They could have fired missiles at US bases but they chose empty areas of Iraqi bases for a reason. They knew what Trump's response would be.
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
Can You Locate Iran? Few Voters Can.

https://morningconsult.com/2020/01/08/can-you-locate-iran-few-voters-can/?utm_source=morning_brew

As tensions between the United States and Iran rise in the aftermath of the American drone strike that killed the country’s most powerful commander, Gen. Qassem Soleimani, a new Morning Consult/Politico survey finds fewer than 3 in 10 registered voters can identify the Islamic republic on an unlabeled map.


Twenty-eight percent of registered voters were able to accurately label Iran on a map of the Middle East region, according to new Morning Consult/Politico polling conducted Jan. 4-5, before the Iranian military fired missiles at two bases in Iraq housing U.S. troops. Twenty-three percent could identify the country on a larger, also unlabeled, global map. Eight percent of voters thought Iran was Iraq on the smaller map.

The polling experiment sheds light on voters’ geographical unfamiliarity with foreign countries, even those with which the United States has been engaged in sustained conflict. Some respondents fared better than others, however.

Men were about twice as likely as women to be able to identify Iran on both maps, roughly reflecting what a 2017 Morning Consult experiment involving North Korea found. Wealthier and more educated voters were also more likely to get it right, while political party and age were not powerful factors.

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naegling62

Veteran Member
Pay no attention to what Iran says. They are always full of bluster. They could have fired missiles at US bases but they chose empty areas of Iraqi bases for a reason. They knew what Trump's response would be.
I would doubt they have the ability to guide a missiles that accurately. Anyway, don't most Mid-east missiles have a school, hospital or apartment complex homing device built in?
 
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bw

Fringe Ranger
I would doubt they have the ability guide missiles that accurately. Anyway, don't most Mid-east missiles have a school, hospital or apartment complex homing device built in?

If I recall right, their emergency vehicles carry signs saying "Baby Milk Factory" to put up in front of bomb craters.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not shocking

ELINT News‏ @ELINTNews 15m15 minutes ago
#BREAKING: The Ukrainian flight that crashed just outside the Iranian capital of Tehran was struck by an anti-aircraft missile system, a Pentagon official, a senior U.S. intelligence official and an Iraqi intelligence official told @Newsweek

Well, here's a dissenter- all the rest of them claim it was mechanical failure. This might not stay up long before somebody buries it. Screenshot anybody?
 

jpigott

Veteran Member
Kris Van Cleave‏Verified account @krisvancleave 26m26 minutes ago
.@cbsnews: US officials are confident Ukrainian Flt 752 was shot down by Iran. US intelligence picked up signals of the radar being turned on & satellite detected infrared blips of 2 missile launches, probably SA-15s, followed shortly by another infrared blip of an explosion.
 

jward

passin' thru

jward

passin' thru
IRANIAN MISSILE SYSTEM SHOT DOWN UKRAINE FLIGHT, PROBABLY BY MISTAKE, SOURCES SAY
By Naveed Jamali , James LaPorta , Chantal Da Silva and Tom O'Connor On 1/09/20 at 11:00 AM EST

The Ukrainian flight that crashed just outside the Iranian capital of Tehran was struck by an anti-aircraft missile system, a Pentagon official, a senior U.S. intelligence official and an Iraqi intelligence official told Newsweek.

Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752, a Boeing 737–800 en route from Tehran Imam Khomeini International Airpot to Kyiv's Boryspil International Airport, stopped transmitting data Tuesday just minutes after takeoff and not long after Iran launched missiles at military bases housing U.S. and allied forces in neighboring Iraq. The aircraft is believed to have been struck by a Russia-built Tor-M1 surface-to-air missile system, known to NATO as Gauntlet, the three officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, told Newsweek.
One Pentagon and one U.S senior intelligence official told Newsweek that the Pentagon's assessment is that the incident was accidental. Iran's anti-aircraft were likely active following the country's missile attack, which came in response to the U.S. killing last week of Revolutionary Guard Quds Force commander Major General Qassem Soleimani, sources said.

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U.S. Central Command declined to comment on the matter when contacted by Newsweek. No reply was returned from the National Security Council or State Department.

Of the 176 people on board, 82 were Iranian, 63 were Canadian and 11 were Ukrainian (including nine crewmembers), along with 10 Swedish, seven Afghan and three German nationals. None survived.

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Rescue teams work amidst debris after a Ukrainian plane carrying 176 people crashed near Imam Khomeini International Airport in the Iranian capital Tehran early in the morning on January 8, killing everyone on board.AFP/GETTY IMAGES
The incident was first reported by Iranian semi-official media outlets, which cited the country's Red Crescent Society as assessing that the initial cause appeared to be mechanical failure. The Ukrainian embassy in Tehran shared this view in a statement, but later retracted it, with Kyiv warning not to draw conclusions from preliminary assessments

Images began to circulate Wednesday of what appeared to be fragments of a Tor M-1 missile said to have been found in a suburb southwest of Tehran. Ukraine Security Council Secretary Oleksiy Danylov said Thursday in a statement that contact with a Tor M-1 system was among the potential causes for the plane's destruction that his country was looking into.

Other potential scenarios involved a collision with an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) or another flying object, technical malfunction and a terrorist attack.

The Civil Aviation Organization of Iran Chief has also invited Canada and Sweden to cooperate in the accident investigation, however, Chief Executive Ali Abedzadeh has stressed that he would not hand over the aircraft's black box⁠—which may provide details of the doomed flight's final moments⁠—to the United States.

Abedzadeh also on Thursday dismissed speculation that a missile strike took down. In a statement, he said this outcome was "scientifically impossible and such rumors make no sense at all."

In a rare call Thursday, Canadian Foreign Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne spoke with his Iranian counterpart Mohammad Javad Zarif, to whom he "stressed the need for Canadian officials to be quickly granted access to Iran to provide consular services, help with identification of the deceased and take part in the investigation of the crash."

Champagne said that "Canada and Canadians have many questions which will need to be answered."

Asked whether the Canadian government is considering or leading with the possibility that an anti-aircraft missile took down Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752, Global Affairs spokesperson Krystyna Dodds said her office would have to get back to Newsweek on the matter.

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CTFIREBATTCHIEF

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Trudeau's eyebrows are going to fall off when he find this out, that 60 plus of his citizens were snuffed by an asshat missile battery commander. Now if WE had shot it down, it would be 24-7 on the news and the *spit* squad would be calling for President Trumps head on a platter. Hey Ayatollah. nice going. So far you've had salami head and his henchmen sent to the pits of hell, 50 plus of your citizens killed at the three day circus that has ensued and now this. Maybe NOW you want to listen to our President and dial it the fug back before shite really gets real?
 

jward

passin' thru




BNO News

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CBS: PLANE WAS 'SHOT DOWN'
- Flight 752 crashed near Tehran
- 176 people were killed - U.S. detected 2 missile launches
- SA-15 surface-to-air missiles - May have been a 'mistake'
- Source: U.S. officials, per CBS
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
There is another point that probably needs a bit of consideration - while yes, the US can (and may yet) bomb Iran into a pancake - it won't be easy and boots on the ground would be a nightmare.

Why? Because unlike most of the Middle East, Persia has mountains and very difficult terrain and lots of places to hide things for real underground (like most of their secret labs, etc) - lots of bottlenecks for troops, etc - just ask Alexander.

Of course, neither Alexander (who did eventually conquer) nor Rome (who ended up with a stalemate) had the advantage of airborne weapons of all sorts, so that would make a huge difference in an all-out war.

But Afghanistan has a similar issue with a much less educated or technological society, and I point out the US never really "won" there (and neither did Alexander, he married a local chief's daughter, declared victory and left his Father-in-law to pretend to be in charge).

Again, the US probably (almost certainly) can beat Iran in an all-out war with enough time, blood and treasure but it won't be cheap and it won't be anything like marching into flat Iraq.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
My observation would be that the missiles Iran formally sent in legal "retaliation" carefully targeted assets. (I would not be surprised if the intel was leaked so our folks could leave the target or take cover.) The followup Iraq militia proxies fired a few rockets, and are now stopped. The real retaliation will be by cells that will be difficult to directly associate with Iran. They will be the cartel connections or the missiles apparently already in place in south America.

It will be difficult to directly tie cells to an official state retaliation, therefore, difficult to target Iran directly in retaliation. They will continue to get away with discrete attacks as they have for decades.
 

jward

passin' thru
Global: MilitaryInfo (@Global_Mil_Info) Tweeted:
Two more sites where the SA-15 air-defense system could have been. It should be noted that these systems were likely placed on high-alert due to the potential of an US retaliatory strike. If the SA-15 were at these sites, the lost contact area near Parand would still be in range. Global: MilitaryInfo on Twitter Global: MilitaryInfo on Twitter View: https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1215326176547393536?s=20
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Isn't that symbol the ketchup makes a pedo symbol ?? Unfinished triangle with eye in middle???

Well, if they made the ketchup pattern square, it would run off the slice. It's possible you're overthinking this. :)
 

jward

passin' thru
Isn't that symbol the ketchup makes a pedo symbol ?? Unfinished triangle with eye in middle???

I cannot speak to that. I am however completely confident witches, satanist and oher forces are being brought to bear on the issues of the day, like never before...
 
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