ALERT DHS Preparing For Civil War In The US?

RT Reports,

Recent massive ammo purchases by US domestic agencies, Obama's Executive Order to prepare for martial law and recent anti-protests laws all point to one thing.

The US Department of Homeland Security and the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Office have placed a massive order for ammunition. The two departments are asking for 450 million rounds of bullets to be delivered in a time-frame of five years. The contractor, Alliant Techsystems, was awarded the contract and will produce .40 caliber high-performance bullets to the agencies. The order has many wondering why would DHS and ICE need so many bullets. David Seaman, journalist and host of the DL Show, helps us answer why the order was placed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuP7_zKZVFE&feature=player_embedded
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
This has been fully discussed.

The "massive amounts" of ammo amount to less thanone would want for a reasonably agressive training callendar.

Try to keep up.
 

eXe

Techno Junkie
Uhh, as someone who actively trains with firearms, and now works part time selling the ammo at front sight, I can tell you.. this is NOT a normal amount for training. Secondly, federal agencies do not train with hollow point ammo. I have seen them out at front sight often.. they use mostly federal brand white box generic training ammo. The problem here is this is NOT training ammo.
 

inynmn

Inactive
Getting ready for the F A L L

I don't think it has anything to do with a race war, good excuse though.
 

Kadosh

Membership Revoked
Do they really train with hollow-point ammo? And why .40 cal?

ETA: eXe said what I was thinking. This is not what it appears. :dstrs:
 
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eXe

Techno Junkie
Do they really train with hollow-point ammo? And why .40 cal?

.40 is the common Fed caliber now.. and no they dont train with hollow point ammo. Granted they may test t heir firearms with it to make sure there are no functioning issues, but moving in the circles I have for the last few months, I can tell you they use FMJ ammo, not hollow point when training.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
Department of Homeland Security.

What exactly does that mean? I guess you take the word HOMELAND and you figure it means United States Domestic.

So then you have to ask the question why would a Domestic department of the United States need that much ammunition.

The only valid answer falls in the conspiracy range as there IS NO valid reason for a domestic branch of the Government to have a requirement for that much ammunition.

So if it is NOT valid, what is it? Is it to be able to control the rabble masses when TPTB massively violate the United States Consitution? I think so. The rumored FEMA camps along with some of the other rumors show that the Goverment is about to take action AGAINST THE PEOPLE of the United States. What are the people going to do about it? I don't know, but the fact that there is ANYONE in the Government that even considered taking action against the people is incredible, it is an indictiment against the corrupt leftist liberal faction this is trying to take over and change and transform the United States to a form more pleasing to a socialist and communnist type of Goverment.

IMHO Socialism and Communism does NOT work. Don't take my word for it but try and read some history. Those forms of Government DOES NOT WORK.

We have lost freedoms starting with the Patriot Act. The losses of freedoms has escalated tenfold and we are headed for a very negative life experience, one that most of us would rather avoid.

Let us rally and unite against communism, socialism, and the decline and fall of the United States as dictated by liberal leftists who would see America fall.
 

ElevenO

Veteran Member
Hunger Games.....



No, it's RT participating in fear mongering. :rolleyes::bhd:

If the DHS is preparing for the Second Civil War in the United States then, judging by the numbers, they aren't planning on doing a lot of shooting.

Folks (once again) let's do some basic math.

According to wikipedia (which, I admit, isn't the best source for reliable information) there's around 216,000 employees working for the DHS. Now, for the sake of argument, let's assume that all of those employees are armed, sworn, personnel (which, quite frankly, probably isn't the case in the real world---but, again, for the sake of argument, let's assume that they are in this post) and, as such, they will all need their allotment of ammo for both training and duty purposes.

The ammo contract calls for 450 million rounds to be delivered for one base year with an option for four, additional, years (for a potential total of five contract years). Let's first calculate the numbers for a one year contract and then we'll follow that up with a five year calculation.

One Year Contract Calculation:

450,000,000 rounds / 216,000 armed personnel = 2,083.33 rounds per armed agent per year for one total year.

2,083 rounds / 12 months (IOW, one calendar year) = 173.6 rounds per agent per month for one calendar year

So, the DHS is gonna fight CW2 with each agent only being armed with a total of 174 rounds per month? Really? In a real shooting war just how long does anyone think those rounds will last against a determined opponent?


Okay, what about a five year contract?

Five Year Contract Calculation:

450,000,000 rounds of ammo / 5 years = 90,000,000 rounds of ammo per year for five years

90,000,000 rounds /216,000 armed agents in DHS = 416.67 rounds per agent per year for five years

416.67 rounds per agent per year / 12 months (one calendar year) = 34.7 rounds per agent per month for five years.

So, tell me, who wants to fight a war with on 35 rounds per month? :rolleyes:

How about we do the same above calculations except, this time, we'll assume that there are only 30,000 armed employees working in the DHS?

One Year Calculation with 30K armed personnel:

450,000,000 rounds / 30,000 personnel = 15,000 rounds per agent per year for one year

15,000 rounds of ammo per armed personnel per year for one year / 12 months (one calendar year) = 1250 rounds per DHS agent per month per year

Now, I'll admit that's a pretty healthy amount of ammo for an individual agent but, again, in a real shooting war against a determined opponent it still isn't a whole lot of ammo. However, the quoted 450 million round figure is the total figure of the contract. Plus, the contract itself has an additional four year option which means that this 450 million round figure will end up being divided by 5 since the contract has one base year with four optional years. The more realistic annual figure will (most likely) be 90 million rounds per year for 5 years instead of a lump sum of 450 million rounds for one year. So, let's calculate the 90 million round per year figure. IOW, let's (once again) space this contract out for five years.

Five Year Contract with 30K armed personnel:

450 million rounds of ammo / 5 contract years = 90 million rounds of ammo per year

90 million rounds of ammo / 30K armed agents = 3000 rounds per agent per year for 5 years

3000 rounds per agent per year / 12 months per year = 250 rounds per agent per month per year for 5 years

This last figure is (most likely) the most accurate figure and it's still inadequate for any sizable, broad based, conflict. If I was having to defend myself against a determined opponent I would hope that I would have more than 250 rounds per month at my disposal.


One last thing regarding the ammo itself. The contract with ATK (via Federal Cartridge Company which itself is owned by ATK) calls for 450 million rounds of .40 S&W caliber 180 grain HST pistol ammunition. Now, the HST round is a (relatively) new round and it's also a very good round. In fact, it's probably one of the best pistol bullets in the world. Now, with that said, there's nothing particularly remarkable about it other than it is designed to defeat typical barriers that a law enforcement officer may have to defeat in a shooting event while, at the same time, being able to penetrate at least 12 inches of 10% ordnance gelatin (which is supposed to closely resemble human tissue) preferably while expanding to 1.5x (or more) of it's original diameter without suffering a lead core/copper jacket separation (which---at least theoretically---inhibits overall penetration in human tissue). That may sound like a lot (and, quite frankly, it is) but the same performance parameters can be said for pretty much in any other modern day hollowpoint bullet design (like the speer gold dot and the winchester pdx1, for example). The HST is NOT an armor piercing round, nor will it won't defeat a well maintain and modern designed bullet resistant vest nor is it designed to give excessive penetration on either hard (a.k.a. armored) or soft (fleshy) targets. As a general rule, a typical, modern, hollowpoint like the HST and PDX1 will get about 13 to 16 inches of penetration in a laboratory setting against calibrated, 10%, ordnance gelatin. IOW, it will do exactly what a typical, modern, hollowpoint is supposed to do. Nothing more and nothing less.
 
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ElevenO

Veteran Member
Uhh, as someone who actively trains with firearms, and now works part time selling the ammo at front sight, I can tell you.. this is NOT a normal amount for training. Secondly, federal agencies do not train with hollow point ammo. I have seen them out at front sight often.. they use mostly federal brand white box generic training ammo. The problem here is this is NOT training ammo.


Right. The contract is for HST hollowpoint ammo which, again, is NOT training ammo. The HST is strictly designed for "social purposes". Still, the 450 million round figure doesn't cause me any concern as I just don't see it being enough for any major conflict. For a shootout here or there (like for the Border Patrol along the U.S./Mexico border, for example)? Sure, it's more than enough. However, for a major shooting conflict spread out across the country? No, not even close. Not even remotely.
 
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ElevenO

Veteran Member
.40 is the common Fed caliber now.. and no they dont train with hollow point ammo. Granted they may test t heir firearms with it to make sure there are no functioning issues, but moving in the circles I have for the last few months, I can tell you they use FMJ ammo, not hollow point when training.


Based upon your own experiences, (on average) how often do federal agents (or even local law enforcement) rotate out their old ammo (by shooting the "old" ammo) and replacing it with newer production ammo? TIA.
 

Achilles

Infidel
When was the last time someone here of reasonable experience intended to assault/defend from assault with a pistol? That is what this ammo is. You can include subguns, but wars and battles don't get fought with pistol ammo.

When they order few billion rounds of 5.56 I will worry.
 

Monty

Veteran Member
This is the maximum amount in a IDIQ (Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity) contract http://www.gsa.gov/portal/content/103926

Just because that is the max does not mean they are ordering that much, that is just the maximum amount that can be delivered under the contract.

450 Mil is just a number on a contract. As a person who does govt contracts for a living, I understand the reasoning to estimate very high just in case. This guarantees they don't have to do another contract for another 5 years.

I don't read anything sinister into this. Let's keep it real people, there are enough issues without us making up any.

Monty
 

ElevenO

Veteran Member
When was the last time someone here of reasonable experience intended to assault/defend from assault with a pistol? That is what this ammo is. You can include subguns, but wars and battles don't get fought with pistol ammo.

When they order few billion rounds of 5.56 I will worry.


Ditto and I would add .308 winchester rifle ammo and 12 gauge buckshot and slugs to that list, as well.
 

eXe

Techno Junkie
Based upon your own experiences, (on average) how often do federal agents (or even local law enforcement) rotate out their old ammo (by shooting the "old" ammo) and replacing it with newer production ammo? TIA.

Would not know that.. as I really didn't ask.. I just know what I saw them shooting at front sight.

This seems to be the standard training ammo for the feds at least right now. You can also buy it as a civilian, but if they were going to shoot for training this is what they would be using.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
As a part of DHS, I know I have shot JHP for training and quals. I have also shot plain old ball. If you cant find a contract for the training ammo with numbers far in excess of what they ordered than I will most likely be qualifying again with JHP in the future. Who goes to war with a .40 anyway? I think this whole thing is fear mongering.
 

Moto

Inactive
I think this whole thing is fear mongering.

Sure it is, but don't let that spoil the fun. After all, who wants to tackle real problems? At least this way there is an excuse for not doing anything about it, for what is there to be done? So you see, it is worry without the responsibility. Cool!
 

William

Veteran Member
Uhh, as someone who actively trains with firearms, and now works part time selling the ammo at front sight, I can tell you.. this is NOT a normal amount for training. Secondly, federal agencies do not train with hollow point ammo. I have seen them out at front sight often.. they use mostly federal brand white box generic training ammo. The problem here is this is NOT training ammo.

Maybe I will see you there I bought one front sight 4 day life, hand gun training.
 

Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Uhh, as someone who actively trains with firearms, and now works part time selling the ammo at front sight, I can tell you.. this is NOT a normal amount for training. Secondly, federal agencies do not train with hollow point ammo. I have seen them out at front sight often.. they use mostly federal brand white box generic training ammo. The problem here is this is NOT training ammo.

exe I can tell you while not in the DHS we are required to fire a certain amount of our duty loads per year in our training schedule. Another thing to consider is that the average agent/officer/specialist may not shoot but a couple hundred rounds per quarter there are small groups/task forces/setions and officers who fire more much more than that in a month of both pistol and rifle. My small agency fires in a thousand rounds roughly per man per year not counting folks who go to the instructor and tactical schools as well as the basic courses.. Also considering that most LE and security aganecies got moved under DHS they use long range ammo forcasts like the military to keep ammo in the system over the life of a contract and during selection/evaluation of new ammo at the end of the contract and during the contracting process in 5 years. Another thing is not all federal agencies issue the same round.there are at any one time several contracts for different rounds for instance the Border Patrol was using 155 grain HP I'm not sure what they are using now .
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
No, it's RT participating in fear mongering. :rolleyes::bhd:

If the DHS is preparing for the Second Civil War in the United States then, judging by the numbers, they aren't planning on doing a lot of shooting.

Folks (once again) let's do some basic math.

According to wikipedia (which, I admit, isn't the best source for reliable information) there's around 216,000 employees working for the DHS. Now, for the sake of argument, let's assume that all of those employees are armed, sworn, personnel (which, quite frankly, probably isn't the case in the real world---but, again, for the sake of argument, let's assume that they are in this post) and, as such, they will all need their allotment of ammo for both training and duty purposes.

The ammo contract calls for 450 million rounds to be delivered for one base year with an option for four, additional, years (for a potential total of five contract years). Let's first calculate the numbers for a one year contract and then we'll follow that up with a five year calculation.

One Year Contract Calculation:

450,000,000 rounds / 216,000 armed personnel = 2,083.33 rounds per armed agent per year for one total year.

2,083 rounds / 12 months (IOW, one calendar year) = 173.6 rounds per agent per month for one calendar year

So, the DHS is gonna fight CW2 with each agent only being armed with a total of 174 rounds per month? Really? In a real shooting war just how long does anyone think those rounds will last against a determined opponent?


Okay, what about a five year contract?

Five Year Contract Calculation:

450,000,000 rounds of ammo / 5 years = 90,000,000 rounds of ammo per year for five years

90,000,000 rounds /216,000 armed agents in DHS = 416.67 rounds per agent per year for five years

416.67 rounds per agent per year / 12 months (one calendar year) = 34.7 rounds per agent per month for five years.

So, tell me, who wants to fight a war with on 35 rounds per month? :rolleyes:

How about we do the same above calculations except, this time, we'll assume that there are only 30,000 armed employees working in the DHS?

One Year Calculation with 30K armed personnel:

450,000,000 rounds / 30,000 personnel = 15,000 rounds per agent per year for one year

15,000 rounds of ammo per armed personnel per year for one year / 12 months (one calendar year) = 1250 rounds per DHS agent per month per year

Now, I'll admit that's a pretty healthy amount of ammo for an individual agent but, again, in a real shooting war against a determined opponent it still isn't a whole lot of ammo. However, the quoted 450 million round figure is the total figure of the contract. Plus, the contract itself has an additional four year option which means that this 450 million round figure will end up being divided by 5 since the contract has one base year with four optional years. The more realistic annual figure will (most likely) be 90 million rounds per year for 5 years instead of a lump sum of 450 million rounds for one year. So, let's calculate the 90 million round per year figure. IOW, let's (once again) space this contract out for five years.

Five Year Contract with 30K armed personnel:

450 million rounds of ammo / 5 contract years = 90 million rounds of ammo per year

90 million rounds of ammo / 30K armed agents = 3000 rounds per agent per year for 5 years

3000 rounds per agent per year / 12 months per year = 250 rounds per agent per month per year for 5 years

This last figure is (most likely) the most accurate figure and it's still inadequate for any sizable, broad based, conflict. If I was having to defend myself against a determined opponent I would hope that I would have more than 250 rounds per month at my disposal.


One last thing regarding the ammo itself. The contract with ATK (via Federal Cartridge Company which itself is owned by ATK) calls for 450 million rounds of .40 S&W caliber 180 grain HST pistol ammunition. Now, the HST round is a (relatively) new round and it's also a very good round. In fact, it's probably one of the best pistol bullets in the world. Now, with that said, there's nothing particularly remarkable about it other than it is designed to defeat typical barriers that a law enforcement officer may have to defeat in a shooting event while, at the same time, being able to penetrate at least 12 inches of 10% ordnance gelatin (which is supposed to closely resemble human tissue) preferably while expanding to 1.5x (or more) of it's original diameter without suffering a lead core/copper jacket separation (which---at least theoretically---inhibits overall penetration in human tissue). That may sound like a lot (and, quite frankly, it is) but the same performance parameters can be said for pretty much in any other modern day hollowpoint bullet design (like the speer gold dot and the winchester pdx1, for example). The HST is NOT an armor piercing round, nor will it won't defeat a well maintain and modern designed bullet resistant vest nor is it designed to give excessive penetration on either hard (a.k.a. armored) or soft (fleshy) targets. As a general rule, a typical, modern, hollowpoint like the HST and PDX1 will get about 13 to 16 inches of penetration in a laboratory setting against calibrated, 10%, ordnance gelatin. IOW, it will do exactly what a typical, modern, hollowpoint is supposed to do. Nothing more and nothing less.



Thanks for laying it out. When this first came out I did some math in my head while driving. I guesstimated 100,000 armed personnel (remember DHS is a combination of many, many agencies now) and rounded up to 500 million (to make it easy I was driving while working this out) I knew it was aproximate but it didn't seem too out of line after all.

When I turned 18 the Vietnam war was still on, if I remember correctly the kills per rounds expended was so high I found it hard to believe, I was hearing hundreds of thousands of rounds per VC. Combat footing on the TV news made it apparent why. Not uncommon to see a hand on the grip of an M16 on full auto just spraying while everything else was taking cover in a trench. Maybe that's why they disabled full auto?

Now the same could be said for these checkpoints. I haven't heard numbers, but less than a hundred doesn't bother me at all. However if the contract was for 2000 or so, I would not be happy.
 

Ben Sunday

Deceased
Originally Posted by eXe
.40 is the common Fed caliber now.. and no they dont train with hollow point ammo. Granted they may test t heir firearms with it to make sure there are no functioning issues, but moving in the circles I have for the last few months, I can tell you they use FMJ ammo, not hollow point when training.

I really want to steer clear of the hype. So, what ND and ElevenO have said here is worthy of thoughtful consideration and respect.

The only point of contention for me is what Exe had to say (above). That COULD be a red flag...or NOT. We shall see.
 

TLHLCDR

Contributing Member
In my local department we change out duty ammo once a year, and qual once a quarter. We use fifty rounds of federal white box for quals.
 

twincougars

Deceased
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/7/the-civil-war-of-2016/

EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016
U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
The Washington Times

Tuesday, August 7, 2012


Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.

At issue is an article in the respected Small Wars Journal titled “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future.” It was written by retired Army Col. Kevin Benson of the Army's University of Foreign Military and Cultural Studies at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., and Jennifer Weber, a Civil War expert at the University of Kansas. It posits an “extremist militia motivated by the goals of the ‘tea party’ movement” seizing control of Darlington, S.C., in 2016, “occupying City Hall, disbanding the city council and placing the mayor under house arrest.” The rebels set up checkpoints on Interstate 95 and Interstate 20 looking for illegal aliens. It’s a cartoonish and needlessly provocative scenario.

The article is a choppy patchwork of doctrinal jargon and liberal nightmare. The authors make a quasi-legal case for military action and then apply the Army’s Operating Concept 2016-2028 to the situation. They write bloodlessly that “once it is put into play, Americans will expect the military to execute without pause and as professionally as if it were acting overseas.” They claim that “the Army cannot disappoint the American people, especially in such a moment,” not pausing to consider that using such efficient, deadly force against U.S. citizens would create a monumental political backlash and severely erode government legitimacy.

The vision is hard to take seriously. As retired ArmyBrig. Gen. Russell D. Howard, a former professor at West Point, observed earlier in his career, “I am a colonel, colonels write a lot of crazy stuff, but no one listens to colonels, so I don’t see the problem.” Twenty years ago, then-Air Force Lt. Col. Charles J. Dunlap Jr. created a stir with an article in Parameters titled “The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012.” It carried a disclaimer that the coup scenario was “purely a literary device intended to dramatize my concern over certain contemporary developments affecting the armed forces, and is emphatically not a prediction.”

The scenario presented in Small Wars Journal isn’t a literary device but an operational lay-down intended to present the rationale and mechanisms for Americans to fight Americans. Col. Benson and Ms. Weber contend, “Army officers are professionally obligated to consider the conduct of operations on U.S. soil.” This is a dark, pessimistic and wrongheaded view of what military leaders should spend their time studying.

A professor at the Joint Forces Staff College was relieved of duty in June for uttering the heresy that the United States is at war with Islam. The Obama administration contended the professor had to be relieved because what he was teaching was not U.S. policy. Because there is no disclaimer attached to the Small Wars piece, it is fair to ask, at least in Col. Benson’s case, whether his views reflect official policy regarding the use of U.S. military force against American citizens.
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http://www.infowars.com/us-army-tactical-manuals-describe-how-to-control-domestic-insurrection/

US Army Tactical Manuals Describe How to Control Domestic Insurrection

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Susanne Posel
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August 10, 2012

In 2010, the US Army’s Operating Concept 2016-2028 was published and explains how armed forces in the US and overseas will behave in the future. Specific tactical operations, special “theater”, and organized forces are outlined along with the capabilities and priorities of the US armed divisions.

In simple terms: a full spectrum operations manual that details stratagems both domestic and foreign.

Presidential administrative National Security Strategy documents explain how to defend the Republic within domestic borders with suggested scenarios where a group of political reactionaries commandeer a prominent area of a town or city which requires that the US Army support local law enforcement in conjunction with state officials – including local government representatives.

In times of domestic insurrection, the Executive Branch can enforce armed support to state governments and local police departments with or without their approval because the continuity of government is the endgame and must be preserved. In this event, domestic intelligence gathering become paramount to maintain a clear chain of military command to be able to stop the home-grown insurgency. This would empower the Department of Homeland Security with the approval of the President, to enact the Insurrection Act and deploy armed troops with in the US to stop rebellion, insurrection, and lawlessness. While the initial powers are reserved for the state and local governments, and Posse Comitatus (PCA) restricts and delays the Executive Branch in enforcement, the current presidential administration with the aid of the Pentagon is seeking to rescind the PCA in order to facilitate control over domestic terrorism.

The Federal Protective Service (FPS) has been given the responsibility to protecting federally owned property while preparing for civilian led riots expected in the near future. And part of the preparatory measures was an order of 150 sets of riot gear that was requested to be filled exponentially.

The FPS is anticipating that police or military wearing the gear would encounter “blunt force trauma” to the upper torso, as well as potential beatings with “blunt objects”.

In June of this year, the US Army requested bids for riot gear that was answered by A2Z Supply Corp, in which specified equipment was to be delivered to West Point Academy in New York.

The purpose of these patrol units was to aid “with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack” and provide “coordinate defense support of civil authorities” under NORTHCOM and other commands including federal homeland defense efforts.

As outlined in the Intelligence Preparation of the Battlefield (IPB) processes are defined by operational environments in regard to battle space, effects, evaluation of threats and adversaries while determining the course of action. In regard to civil situations, and to maintain intelligence and operational purposes, preparations with regard to terrain are inconsequential.

Enabled by an executive order from 1982, which states that intelligence gathering abroad could be used domestically and on American citizens, permanent resident aliens which are categorized as American persons.

According to the RAND Corporation document , Street Smart: Intelligence Preparation of the Battlefield for Urban Operations, the use of IPB in urban areas will alleviate some of the anticipated “analytic difficulties posed by urbanized areas.”

By training in American cities, the armed forces can realize maneuvers and special considerations that are needed to control urban infrastructure in the case of civil disturbance and insurrection. Having foreknowledge of the people living in the specified cities that are marked for control assist in the “critical operational success” of not only “knowing the enemy” but also the ability to retain a level of concealment and surprise.

When the US Army is “called upon to operate in villages, towns, and cities their directive will be to “neutralize American citizen’s technological capabilities” using “sophisticated intelligence equipment” and advanced tactical training.

The Marine Corp has created a law-enforcement battalion (ELB) consisting of specialized military police officers (SMP) will take the role of current street cops while still remaining part of the Marine Corp.

SMPs would be deployed to assist in any event of civil disturbance, handling of detainees, use biometrics to identify suspects and conduct forensic work. Their assistance is not limited to conducting DUIs and writing speeding tickets in an effort to re-brand the Marine Corps as being more involved with average work now allocated to local law enforcement.

The Marine Corp Intelligence Requirements Handbooks presents new methodology to combat civilian rebellions and is meant to inspire intelligence professionals working on computer-based intelligence efforts.

The tactical operations, combined with the current training exercises being observed across our nation were laid out in documents like this. And the evidence that this is real and is being planned for are coming in eye witness reports at a staggering rate.

National Guard has been witnessed in Virginia conducting “wellness checks” and patrolling residential neighborhoods as well as downtown city areas.

One of the numerous reports of preparations for martial law that are happening across the nation is taking place now until August 17th in Sheboygan County, Wisconsin where a training exercise with M1117 armored security military vehicles that were used in Afghanistan to hunt for insurgents.

The US Army Reserve “wanted to alert the public to the training dates so residents are not alarmed when a pack of heavily armored military vehicles is driving around the county.”

Captain William Gedddes commented that the drills were conducted to make sure the officers remain alert and do not become “rusty” in their training with the M1117s.

While the Sheboygan County police department had no foreknowledge of the drill, Geddes commented that locals should not “create safety hazards” on the roads be drawing attention to the vehicles.

The US Army, wanting to control the public perception of their drills, claimed that they were training on civilian roadways and wanted to make this known to the public so as to not insight speculation as to their presence.

The Pentagon, decrying the false flag assertion of increased use of improvised explosive devices (IEDs) in the US, is asking Congress to lay aside Posse Comitatus (PCA) in an effort to increase their use of military on the streets of America.

According to Section 1385 of the Posse Comitatus Act: “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

While specialized military police are currently working with local law enforcement, the Pentagon is attempting to alleviate “legal restrictions on the activities of US armed forces” by convincing Congress that the PCA is unnecessary.

Law-enforcement battalions , consisting of specialized military police officers (SMP), are being set up to work with local police while remaining part of the Marine Corp.

SMPs would be deployed to assist in any event of civil disturbance, handling of detainees, use biometrics to identify suspects and conduct forensic work. Their assistance is not limited to conducting DUIs and writing speeding tickets in an effort to re-brand the Marine Corps as being more involved with average work now allocated to local law enforcement.

Citing James Holmes’ apartment and use of home-made bombs, Army Lt. Gen. Michael Barbero told Congress that the threat “from both homegrown terrorists and global threat networks is real and presents a significant security challenge for the United States and our international partners.”

Furthermore, USNORTHCOM and Leon Panetta, US Secretary of Defense, has readily admitted that US armed forces will collaborate with local law enforcement “if called upon”.

The US Army has put out a solicitation for riot gear in preparation for civilian unrest in the US. On their official government website, the call for non-lethal equipment coincides with requests from DHS for allocation of riot shields, face masks, polycarbonate batons and body armor.

In collaboration with an executive order signed in 2001 by former President George W. Bush, DHS will “coordinate the executive branch’s efforts to detect, prepare for, prevent, protect against, respond to and recover from terrorist attacks within the United States.”

Contained within the US Army Military Police training manual for Civil Disturbance Operations are outlines describing how the US military will use the arsenal at their disposal to quell domestic riots, confiscate firearms and kill Americans during times of mass civil unrest.

The explicit use of “deadly force” when confronting “dissidents” is clearly stated with the refusal of a “warning shot” and the directives toward weapons that rioters or demonstrators will experience in the name of continuity of government.

Many citizens are witnessing movement of military equipment from the East and the West coasts of America. In plain sight, a train carrying tanks was seen come through Burbank, California.

The globalist Fascists who are turning our free nation in to a Dictatorship view this probable fact as a threat and are preparing to quash it right now. Because of this infiltrated takeover of our country, we are all in grave danger.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
This sort of "planning" goes back formally to the 1920's and the "Rainbow"/Color Coded war plans, with War Plan White dealing with everything from peaceful protest, to civil disturbances to out and out insurrection and civil war.

That morphed into Operation Garden Plot / CONPLAN 2502 (Civil Disturbance Operations), variations including Rex 84 and Noble Eagle...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/garden_plot.htm


For links see article source....
Posted for fair use....
http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2011...ncy-plan-to-restore-law-and-order-to-america/

Document Friday: “Garden Plot:” The Army’s Emergency Plan to Restore “Law and Order” to America
August 12, 2011
tags: Army, garden plot, national guard, Reagan, riots
by Nate Jones

The National Guard at Kent State, 1972.

Reposted in response to the London unrest.

Here’s one that might make you dust off your tinfoil hat. It’s the US Army’s 1968 “Civil Disturbance Plan,” codenamed Garden Plot. The plan –first posted by governmentattic.org– explains how the Army planned to “employ Federal forces to assist local authorities in the restoration and maintenance of law and order in the 50 states [and all other districts and territories].”

Of course, for the “restoration of law and order” to be legal, the president must decree it. Planning ahead, the Army drafted Annex Five (pg. 59): a five-section executive order that authorized the Secretary of Defense to “take all appropriate steps” to quell the restive population… All the president needed to do to allow the military to operate domestically was sign the dotted line.

The Garden Plot plan –drafted after the Watts, Newark, and Detroit riots– captures the acrimonious times when the document was drawn up. The section outlining the Army’s perception of the “situation” in America certainly insinuates an establishment that was afraid the disenfranchised. The Plot warns against “racial unrest,” as well as “anti-draft” and “anti-Vietnam” elements. It deserves a read in full (pgs. 36-37):

garden-plot1.jpg


What the Army considered “indicators of potential violence (pg. 37)” are also telling (if jarring):

garden-plot2.jpg


Garden Plot is a much larger and more broadly orchestrated operation than a governor “merely” calling in the Federal Guard (which happened 92 times from 1 July 1969-30 June 1970). And because historic Garden Plot activity was classified and current activity likely remains so, it is difficult to discern exactly how many times Garden Plot was evoked.

The Los Angeles Times reported that until 1971, there were two brigades (4,800 troops) on permanent standby to quell unrest. The Times also reported that Governor Ronald Reagan once addressed 500 soldiers drilling for Garden Plot; he joked that if his political enemies saw him they would accuse him of “planning a military takeover.”

Globalsecurity.org reports that Garden Plot deployments “were commonplace” in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Among other instances, deployments occurred after Martin Luther King Jr.’s assassination, in response to the US invasion of Cambodia in 1970, and the Republican and Democratic conventions of 1972. There is speculation that Garden Plot was evoked after the 1992 Rodney King Riots and the 1999 Seattle WTO riots. The 1968 plan lists 25 “high priority” cities (pg. 177).

Establishing a contingency plan for civil unrest may have been a prudent and constitutional action by the US military. But by cloaking Garden Plot in unnecessarily secrecy, the executive branch contributed to the erosion of the US public’s trust of its government. (Egads! Black Helicopters!)


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Watchman2

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Let me re-post a small section of what Twin cougars posted. I have altered the text in the following ways, bold face, underlined.

The Federal Protective Service (FPS) has been given the responsibility to protecting federally owned property while preparing for civilian led riots expected in the near future. And part of the preparatory measures was an order of 150 sets of riot gear that was requested to be filled exponentially.

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the watcher

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I find it interesting that 100 checkpoints are ok, but 2K is alarming? Uhh, how about 1,600 level 3 bullet resistant check booths? Do the math, how many does that make per state? I did the math> 1,600 booths spread over 50 states= 32 per state. ETA, that's assuming Alaska needs 32.

Secondly, what some are forgetting is the federalization of police forces. Would DHS be able to count on locale nearly bankrupt municipalities to provide thousands of rounds of HST, which is banned for use by the Geneva Convention, for use outside of the us?

Just for grins I read thru TC's post and did some googling. One thing was "ipb", humm seems it's battle field intelligence. Using technology, "street smart" to survey it before and during "urban combat". Ironically enough, NYC just announced they have went to something like this, this week.
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PRECRIME: NYPD Unveils Crime- And Terror-Fighting ‘Domain Awareness System’

A dramatic new way to track criminals and potential terrorists was unveiled Wednesday by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly.

It melds cameras, computers and data bases capable of nabbing bad guys before they even know they’re under suspicion.

...

“We are not your mom and pop police department anymore. We are in the next century. We are leading the pack,” Bloomberg said.

The new crime-fighting apparatus was built by the NYPD and Microsoft, developed by police officers for police officers. Officials said it represents a sea change for the NYPD.

“When I came back to the Police Department in 2002 I found that the Department was still a very big user of white out and carbon paper,” Kelly said. “The technical revolution had bypassed the Police Department.”

The system uses 3,000 cameras positioned in Lower Manhattan south of Canal Street, river to river, and between 30th and 60th streets, river to river. It links up to license plate readers, 911 calls and other NYPD data records.
http://www.blacklistednews.com/PREC...Domain_Awareness_System’/20935/0/0/0/Y/M.html
 
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