Did any of the Trump bunch notice Kansas? There may be a message there
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Does Kansas use voting machines? The MEDIUM might just be the message...
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http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article27951310.html
Politics & Government
July 20, 2015 4:46 PM
Wichita State mathematician says Kansas voting machines need audit
People vote on machines at the Linwood Recreation Center. A mathematician at Wichita State University who wanted to check the accuracy of some Kansas voting machines after finding odd patterns in election returns said she is finding out how difficult it can be to get government officials to turn over public documents. Wichita Eagle - File photo
Associated Press
A mathematician at Wichita State University who wanted to check the accuracy of some Kansas voting machines after finding odd patterns in election returns said she is finding out how difficult it can be to get government officials to turn over public documents.
Beth Clarkson, a certified quality engineer with a doctorate in statistics, said her calculations from the November election showed enough patterns to suspect that “some voting systems were being sabotaged.”
Sedgwick County election officials refused to allow the computer records to be part of a recount and told her that to get paper recordings of votes, she would have to go to court and fight for them, said Clarkson, who is also the chief statistician for WSU’s National Institute for Aviation Research.
She filed a lawsuit against the Sedgwick County Election Office and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach earlier this year, asking for access to the paper records that voting machines record each time someone votes. The record does not identify the voter.
The voting machines that Sedgwick County uses have a paper record of the votes, known as Real Time Voting Machine Paper Tapes, which similar machines in Kansas and around the country do not have. Because the software is proprietary, even elections officials can’t examine it and postelection audits can’t be done, according to Pamela Smith, president of Verified Voting Foundation, a nonprofit agency whose mission is to safeguard elections in the digital age.
Clarkson asked Sedgwick County to do a recount in 2013 but the time to file had expired. She then filed an open records request, but officials refused to provide the requested documents. She filed a lawsuit but the judge said the paper records were ballots, even though they didn’t identify the voter, and thus were not subject to the state’s open records law.
Clarkson filed for a recount after the November election, but Sedgwick County officials again refused, saying only a judge could release the records.
A lawsuit she filed in February against Kansas’ attorney general – and later amended to add the Sedgwick County election commissioner and Kobach – sought a court order giving her access to a certain number of voting records to conduct an audit.
She mailed it to the Sedgwick County election commissioner and Kobach, who under state law had 30 days to respond. Neither responded, later saying they weren’t aware they’d received the summons.
“I don’t know if we did or not,” said Eric Rucker, assistant secretary of state. “We are not going to comment on the status or the nature of this litigation at this time.”
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ETA:
http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article27951310.html
Politics & Government
July 20, 2015 4:46 PM
Wichita State mathematician says Kansas voting machines need audit
People vote on machines at the Linwood Recreation Center. A mathematician at Wichita State University who wanted to check the accuracy of some Kansas voting machines after finding odd patterns in election returns said she is finding out how difficult it can be to get government officials to turn over public documents. Wichita Eagle - File photo
Associated Press
A mathematician at Wichita State University who wanted to check the accuracy of some Kansas voting machines after finding odd patterns in election returns said she is finding out how difficult it can be to get government officials to turn over public documents.
Beth Clarkson, a certified quality engineer with a doctorate in statistics, said her calculations from the November election showed enough patterns to suspect that “some voting systems were being sabotaged.”
Sedgwick County election officials refused to allow the computer records to be part of a recount and told her that to get paper recordings of votes, she would have to go to court and fight for them, said Clarkson, who is also the chief statistician for WSU’s National Institute for Aviation Research.
She filed a lawsuit against the Sedgwick County Election Office and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach earlier this year, asking for access to the paper records that voting machines record each time someone votes. The record does not identify the voter.
The voting machines that Sedgwick County uses have a paper record of the votes, known as Real Time Voting Machine Paper Tapes, which similar machines in Kansas and around the country do not have. Because the software is proprietary, even elections officials can’t examine it and postelection audits can’t be done, according to Pamela Smith, president of Verified Voting Foundation, a nonprofit agency whose mission is to safeguard elections in the digital age.
Clarkson asked Sedgwick County to do a recount in 2013 but the time to file had expired. She then filed an open records request, but officials refused to provide the requested documents. She filed a lawsuit but the judge said the paper records were ballots, even though they didn’t identify the voter, and thus were not subject to the state’s open records law.
Clarkson filed for a recount after the November election, but Sedgwick County officials again refused, saying only a judge could release the records.
A lawsuit she filed in February against Kansas’ attorney general – and later amended to add the Sedgwick County election commissioner and Kobach – sought a court order giving her access to a certain number of voting records to conduct an audit.
She mailed it to the Sedgwick County election commissioner and Kobach, who under state law had 30 days to respond. Neither responded, later saying they weren’t aware they’d received the summons.
“I don’t know if we did or not,” said Eric Rucker, assistant secretary of state. “We are not going to comment on the status or the nature of this litigation at this time.”
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It has been that way for the past couple of weeks - same yesterday. It's the "early voters" who are killing Cruz right now.
Those who bided their time and let things play out ran from Trump. That's why I hate early voting. As I've said before, I always want to give politicians as much rope (and time) to hang themselves as possible before I mark my X.
Those who bided their time and let things play out ran from Trump. That's why I hate early voting. As I've said before, I always want to give politicians as much rope (and time) to hang themselves as possible before I mark my X.
Medical Maven
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It was paper ballots at my tiny county seat. But I believe that it was voting machines on the Kansas side of K.C. and in Wichita.
Trump's stand on TPP was trashed by farm interests here in the State. Farmers and Ranchers are hurting and grasping at straws to help their bottom line. So I think the propaganda for TPP, that it would help this largely agricultural State could have helped Cruz.
I have farm interests, but I voted Trump. TPP will destroy what is left of the nation's manufacturing and fold us into a Global EU. I want NONE of that. And oversupply is oversupply. No cure for that other than a weather disaster somewhere in the world. And demand is falling. The Oligarchs and Banksters have totally destroyed the world economy so as to save themselves.
Trump's stand on TPP was trashed by farm interests here in the State. Farmers and Ranchers are hurting and grasping at straws to help their bottom line. So I think the propaganda for TPP, that it would help this largely agricultural State could have helped Cruz.
I have farm interests, but I voted Trump. TPP will destroy what is left of the nation's manufacturing and fold us into a Global EU. I want NONE of that. And oversupply is oversupply. No cure for that other than a weather disaster somewhere in the world. And demand is falling. The Oligarchs and Banksters have totally destroyed the world economy so as to save themselves.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Like the saying goes it's not who votes but who [or what] counts the votes. Almost makes you want the hanging chads again, at least there was something physical to review. That being said I think we all know you can't put a lot of stock in polling data. You can make the polls say anything you want them to say by asking the questions carefully and being very selective on who your polling.
Trump voters vote early because there can be only Trump if anything is going to change. Trump did nothing to hang himself and it's totally amazing that he has not only survived all the lies thrown at him but he's winning.
We see very clearly the people who hang themselves.
Medical Maven
Deceased
If the vote would have taken place next week, I think the results would have been much closer. That was a low spot for Trump. Now he is coming back.
Do they not know Cruz was instrumental in getting the TPA passed? Without it, it would have been very, very hard to pass the TPP.
Medical Maven
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Yes, that is the point. TPP is supposed to open up new markets for grain and beef by removing tariffs, etc. But the oversupply of grains and the lack of demand for beef is so overwhelming around the world that TPP would help only marginally at best while destroying what is left of our national sovereignty. (And as long as the value of the dollar is sky-high our competitors around the world will continue to underbid us).
Still, given what I said, there is no way in Hell this Red State will go for Hillary in November, if Trump is the nominee. So no worries there.
Huh? Pretty impressive if so. Cruz was a pariah in the Senate. I doubt he could move anything but if he did, that is very impressive.
Medical Maven
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And you are for TPP???
Ok, thanks.
This TPP twists up a bit in my mind. The dims think it's horrible, the stupid party thinks it's great, Trump likes free trade but hates the TPP, Cruz was instrumental in getting it passed but now doesn't like it. I think we all need to read what's in it...
Medical Maven
Deceased
Jeff Sessions had an article in Breitbart a few weeks or months back that was an excellent primer on what it would do.
Here we go:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...negotiate-better-trade-deals-than-obamatrade/
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
That ought to piss a lot of folks off.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
This explains why the guy on Market to Market was saying the int'l grain and meat markets were "an uncertain future so if you've got it sell now"!!! Just damn! TPP is not going to help the American farmer, if anything it will only lead to the further destruction of the small farmer.
One guy I talked to that was somewhat involved in the process speculated that the Romney speech my have had significant effect. I had another lady tell me that the Catholic Church was pushing Cruz (I'm not sure how this message was delivered if true) so that may have affected Catholics if true.
The margin of Cruz' victory was the big surprise after most polls showed Trump ahead and there still seems to be mystery about how that happened.
Medical Maven
Deceased
We are going down the road of becoming a Commodity Colony for Globalization. Manufacturing will be totally gone, and illegals will be doing all the work for very large international corporations on farm ground owned by the Chinese and others, Agenda 21 et al.
As I noted in the OP, it was claimed that over 90% of the 'fence-sitters' went for Cruz in the last moment. But no body knows if something happened, or something didn't happen.
In any event, I think the Trump bunch ought to find out.
Medical Maven
Deceased
It was Trump's worst week with a lot of help from the rabid attacks. Write it off and move on. Things are turning around.
Silent Knight
Inactive
A promise to maintain the status quo and a continuation of our descent into the abyss? Just sayin'.
Medical Maven
Deceased
If you are somewhat timid and/or gullible/uninformed, you probably went for Cruz.
Oilpatch Hand
3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Don'cha unnerstand, Troke?
Everything bad that happens in American politics, no matter how great or small, proximate or remote, is attributable to Ted Cruz.
And only Donald Trump can save us.
Medical Maven
Deceased
Don'cha unnerstand, Troke?
Everything bad that happens in American politics, no matter how great or small, proximate or remote, is attributable to Ted Cruz.
And only Donald Trump can save us.
Sadly, I believe that we are at that critical juncture. Cruz is not the "home run", not by a long shot. Trump has a good possibility of being the "home run". We need a "home run". There is no tomorrow after November 2016.
Bubble Head
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Destruction of the American Farmer and Rancher has been on the priority list for some time now. Each and every private farm or ranch is an independent business owning large tracks of land. Only the elite and chosen are suppose to own large tracks of land. TPP is just one of the vehicles that will be used to help destroy one of the last and all important private enterprises we have left.
It is hard to explain to people who principally live in large cities how this is going down. In a large city if you are hungry you just go down to the nearest fast food or restaurant and eat. Not thinking where or how it got there and where it came from.
Farmers and Ranchers are up against the ropes and many thinking new markets will help will go for the bait. The truth is supply and demand is still the moving force around the world. Doesn't mean Politicians will not exploit those feeling of hope but in the end it will destroy more than help.
Well, my relatives farm 1200-1500 acres of land to support one family. They own maybe 15% of that so they are not a large land owner, nor is anybody else I know. At one time that same area supported up to eight families so you can see that production efficiency has gone pretty far.
Unfortunately unless they go to automation, they have gone as far as they can go IMO. But automation will take considerable capital investment and they don't have it because they don't have any capital base to start with. Consequently we will go to corporation farming and I have no idea how that will turn out. But expect higher food prices, I see no way to avoid that in the long run
As I said in the other thread: Cruz's ad likely had an effect if you weren't really involved. Grain farmers are hurting. Milo prices are so low that many/most will be lucky to break even. There is still milo piled on the ground here. Elevators are full. And if it ever rains then wheat harvest is just around the corner.
I know Christians who voted Cruz without being aware of the Dominionism issue. They are turned off by what they see as Trump's cruditity. However, if he gets the nomination they will vote for him and worry about it.
I know Christians who voted Cruz without being aware of the Dominionism issue. They are turned off by what they see as Trump's cruditity. However, if he gets the nomination they will vote for him and worry about it.
The 4rth district has a Democratic majority, yet they showed Cruz up 10% over the rest of the state.
With Hillery not going to take the state, it's easy to see the cross overs affects.
The feedlot areas probably has more Mexicans than actual residence that would fallow Monfort's and such plants politics.
With Hillery not going to take the state, it's easy to see the cross overs affects.
The feedlot areas probably has more Mexicans than actual residence that would fallow Monfort's and such plants politics.
Medical Maven
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Why go to automation when the big corporations will have an endless supply of illegals to exploit? Once the floodgates are permanently welded open on our southern border there will be no end to the supply of eager poverty-stricken workers.
Voted in Johnson County (NE Kansas, part of the Greater Kansas City area). One hour and 45 minute wait, partially due to slow internet connections, but even at sites without problems many waits were over an hour long. Paper ballots placed into a cardboard box after voting. Not saying it was the reason, but absolutely no security and it would have been very easy to "stuff the ballot box" for any candidate. This area is actually much more liberal than many realize. Although it's Republican, large numbers are RINOS.The Wichita area (the other big population area) is also very liberal The fact that Cruz won did not really surprise me, but that size of the win stunned me.
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
There is no way Cruz can catch up now. Which means if you are pro Cruz, you are pro a brokered convention.
If that happens, and the nomination ia stolen from Trump. Then there will be riots and people will die.
So not only would you assure a Hillary victory, because a brokered convention is a guaranteed loss. But you would personally have blood on your hands.
If that happens, and the nomination ia stolen from Trump. Then there will be riots and people will die.
So not only would you assure a Hillary victory, because a brokered convention is a guaranteed loss. But you would personally have blood on your hands.
Oilpatch Hand
3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
"Home run?" Seriously?
I guess you've really bought into the schtick The Donald is selling.
Frankly, Trump is more like one of those silly mascots who race around the basepaths dressed up as bratwursts at Milwaukee Brewers' home games than some kind of vaunted power hitter who will deliver the goods in the bottom of the ninth inning.
Except The Donald has less depth and gravitas than the sausage guys.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
"Home run?" Seriously?
I guess you've really bought into the schtick The Donald is selling.
Frankly, Trump is more like one of those silly mascots who race around the basepaths dressed up as bratwursts at Milwaukee Brewers' home games than some kind of vaunted power hitter who will deliver the goods in the bottom of the ninth inning.
Except The Donald has less depth and gravitas than the sausage guys.
God have mercy on your sorry ass when us Trump Voters vote for the Democrat when he doesn't get the nomination, cause we will. And when the dem gets the nomination this country will devolve into a putrid pile of boiling sh*t and within months!
Syria will look like a five star resort after they're done tearing this country down, and it won't ever come back because great nations NEVER ever come back after the socialists are done destroying everything, nope it'll be a dicktatorship. And unfortuntely the millineals, etc., are to ****ing stupid, thanks to public education, to understand what is about to be wrought upon them... I almost feel sorry for the dumb ****s... almost. Oh and your precious turd in the punch bowl, Cruz, is an anchor baby HE'S NOT QUALIFIED TO BE POTUS.
ANYone who has been involved in farming or ranching for more than a few years, who still believes that "new markets" will open up AT A PRICE WHICH WILL ALLOW THEM A PROFIT also believes in the tooth fairy. What a joke!
All the 'New markets" have done in the past 40 years is enable billions of dollars of cheap food- produced in places with NO environmental laws, no labor laws and no health laws- to flood the US, with the result that prices are suppressed to the point that the only reason many grain farmers stayed in business was due to "government help" (which is never "free", and which isn't nearly as generous as non-farmers might believe)
Without a level playing field- and that means similar environmental, wage, health and regulatory laws in place EVERY place which is trading with each other- US farmers will get screwed every time.
And that, of course is the goal- not only because TPTB don't like the private ownership of land, but also because "cheap food" has been the stated (and unstated) goal of every politician who has been using that to garner votes on the backs of the producers for decades.
Summerthyme
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
THIS^^^ Hell even the talking bobble head on M2M said this very same thing! TPP will open up markets for other countries, such as Brazil, to dump their products here at obscenely low prices but good luck selling your product in Brazil for the price you deem necessary to survive as a farmer. When the talking bobble heads at M2M say dump and run that's the biggest dot you're going to get that it's coming undone and soon.
There was supposedly a 25% increase in voting over the last time. For some reason, I doubt Cruz roused them, I think it was Trump in the main. But exit polls supposedly showed that a large % (90%?)of the fence sitters broke for Cruz.
I have been hung up on this election since it took place. Something happened there and I sure hope Trump in looking into it because I don't understand it. Did Trump do/say something the day before that turned them off?
FarmerJohn
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Headline seen on Huffington Post: GOP ready to swallow the Cruz pill.
That sums it up pretty well.
I had thought that Cruz was the candidate that by comparison, made Trump look sane.
That sums it up pretty well.
I had thought that Cruz was the candidate that by comparison, made Trump look sane.
Be Well
may all be well
I've seen a headline today about Cruz being very happy with a contested convention. I'll try to find and post it.