WTF?!? Did you know there was a missile shot last night off CA coast?
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Not necessarily - launch warning satellites are over/focused on the Russian, Chinese, etc, not the US. If any military radars were active however, they should have gotten a skin track on this thing, so they (assuming it wasn't US to begin with) may have an idea where it started/ended up.
It smells almost like a black program launch, but why at sunset, when the contrail is going to be visible forever. And why no restrictions (always assuming there weren't any that I can't find)?? And why no cover story ("it was a sounding rocket")??
It smells almost like a black program launch, but why at sunset, when the contrail is going to be visible forever. And why no restrictions (always assuming there weren't any that I can't find)?? And why no cover story ("it was a sounding rocket")??
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Wrong. We are very aware of the possibility of submarine launched ballistic missiles either within or just offshore of our territorial waters and have capabilities to detect and react to the same. There is a reason why NORAD command and control is located in the center of the U.S. Although with a submarine launched missile off either coast there may be less than 5 minutes to react to it if the target is along the coast. For more central targets there may be 20 minutes to react. There is a reason why we have extensive underwater submarine detection nets off of both coasts and in the gulf. As quiet as some submarines are we know for a fact of anything within 250 miles of the coast and usually we can get some indications much further away than that. The ballistic and attack submarines that are out at sea all the time are listening as well.
onetimer
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Little-Acorn
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Did he interview every person in the Pentagon? In just two hours?
And, if they say they don't know, that doesn't mean they don't know. It means the persons who know, have not been authorized to release the information.
You need this explained to you?
No, nobody told Miklaszewski they had a military action planned. There's a difference, you know.
Have you any idea what it takes to launch a missile, intentionally or otherwise?
It takes more than pressing one button. The multi-man checks, cross-checks, safety systems, and all the rest, designed explicitly to PREVENT an accidental launch, are very extensive.
And yet another possibility: The military had good reasons not to blab to the press, so they didn't. So their spokesmen are all saying, "I don't know."
It's hilarious that everyone is going hysterical and not considering that one, which is the obvious explanation.
mt4design
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I had never even heard of Santa Barbara Island before. Just looked it up and it sits 38 miles off San Pedro which would mean it is even slightly closer to Los Angeles I guess.
Santa Barbara is on the coast of California.
The island is part of the Channel Islands but it's way too small with no permanent residents. It's like a quarter mile square.
Mike
Mike at Vandenberg they happen at all times of the day/night. Lots of them happen between midnight and 3am. Last one I witnessed was at 9:50pm.
Yes Mike it does seem like lots of Minutemen practice launches are near sunrise or sunset. Sometimes I think they do that to give photographers a great shot. Other launches are at times for orbital characteristics.
mt4design
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Who is hysterical? And, who is discounting any explanation here?
Actually, there is NO official explanation, is there?
A point which was raised is proximity to LAX.
That contrail would seem to be directly in the path of outgoing or incoming traffic dependent upon wind direction.
It would seem a necessity that *someone* in the local government would be notified.
Mike
ETA: DA, sorry, what I meant was I don't think that having it occur at sunset is unusual. In fact, that seemed to be rather routine.
All of what you said is true. But if the FAA didn't issue a Notice to Airmen that is NOT normal.
CelticRose
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Yeah, and it could just as easily have been the Russians or the ChiComms demonstrating to *US* that, "Yes, we can slip in that close to your coast undetected and launch a missile," proving that *THEY* can do that.
That would be my thoughts ....... And or that NK in conjunction with one of their allies (Iran or Venezulea?) could have been involved.......
To say the very least ..........
And between the whole world knowing we have a spineless leader and are collapsing under the weight of decades of seriously bad economic policies and assorted other foul-ups......... We're not in a position to do more than tacitly ignore / pretend it was nothing / hope it fades from the public memory.............
While that wouldn't surprise me at all; it would be yet another example of just how self-absorbed, infantile and otherwise unfit, the jerk in the White House is, it would not be at all unexpected of him ....... Besides, what's the cost of one of those 'tests'; if in fact this was our missile? A couple million? For obozo, that's chump-change
almost ready
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Thus, it wasn't one of ours.
It wasn't one of ours. It was a "warning shot". There was another strange "warning shot", which we called the Norway spiral, when Oboe was traveling. Then there was a bogus story and all went quiet.
This may be North Korea giving Oboe their version of "yes I can". Who knows? These are international waters, anyone could be there. Anyone who knows won't talk. Thanks for the news, news hounds.
It wasn't one of ours. It was a "warning shot". There was another strange "warning shot", which we called the Norway spiral, when Oboe was traveling. Then there was a bogus story and all went quiet.
This may be North Korea giving Oboe their version of "yes I can". Who knows? These are international waters, anyone could be there. Anyone who knows won't talk. Thanks for the news, news hounds.
Little-Acorn
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BTW, missile shots from Vandenberg are very common, often aimed at Kwajelein Atoll in the south Pacific. Radars on Hawaii and Johnston Island are usually used to track them, plus radars on ships based in Hawaii and Midway.
This one was from the ocean, or possibly one of the Channel Islands. A shot from a sub is not unlikely, and quite possibly a test of a United States SLBM also aimed at Kwajelein. Wouldn't it be reasonable to shoot it from the same vicinity as the land shots, so they could use all that nice tracking equipment?
And, might it make sense that they wanted it to land in daylight so they could use optical tracking, or maybe even the Mark I Eyeball? Then it would have to be launched in mid to late afternoon... as this one was.
And... all those who believe the military never has a good reason to keep various launch information secret, please raise your hand......
This one was from the ocean, or possibly one of the Channel Islands. A shot from a sub is not unlikely, and quite possibly a test of a United States SLBM also aimed at Kwajelein. Wouldn't it be reasonable to shoot it from the same vicinity as the land shots, so they could use all that nice tracking equipment?
And, might it make sense that they wanted it to land in daylight so they could use optical tracking, or maybe even the Mark I Eyeball? Then it would have to be launched in mid to late afternoon... as this one was.
And... all those who believe the military never has a good reason to keep various launch information secret, please raise your hand......
maric
Short but deadly
No reason to panic if you're prepped, especially spiritually. Thats the MAJOR prep.
BTW, missile shots from Vandenberg are very common, often aimed at Kwajelein Atoll in the south Pacific. Radars on Hawaii and Johnston Island are usually used to track them, plus radars on ships based in Hawaii and Midway.
This one was from the ocean, or possibly one of the Channel Islands. A shot from a sub is not unlikely, and quite possibly a test of a United States SLBM also aimed at Kwajelein. Wouldn't it be reasonable to shoot it from the same vicinity as the land shots, so they could use all that nice tracking equipment?
And, might it make sense that they wanted it to land in daylight so they could use optical tracking, or maybe even the Mark I Eyeball? Then it would have to be launched in mid to late afternoon... as this one was.
And... all those who believe the military never has a good reason to keep various launch information secret, please raise your hand......
Sorry that doesn't cut it.
Vandenberg gives warnings on all it's launches. Even the secret mission ones. I get them in an email all the time. Vandenberg also has a Website to track these AND there is a facebook page for Vandenberg. In fact they are very open about the intercept tests they conduct.
ETA: Here is an email I still had in my inbox, this was received by me June 3rd of this year
MISSILE DEFENSE TEST SCHEDULED
VANDENBERG AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. – The 30th Space Wing and Missile Defense Agency are scheduled to conduct a flight test of a modified ground-based interceptor between noon and 4 p.m. June 6.
The modified interceptor is a two-stage variant of the operationally-configured three-stage design now deployed at Vandenberg AFB.
This test is solely for data collection purposes and system performance evaluation. There is no target launch or intercept attempt for this mission.
So if this was the act of an unfriendly nation, not only do they have significant SLBM capability, they have improved their submarine technology enough to defeat our SOSUS nets and satellite ASW systems. Chilling, if true.
The more I look at the video and images, the more a misidentification looks likely:
http://contrailscience.com/a-problem-of-perspective-in-the-oc-new-years-eve-contrail/
I'm not seeing/hearing through the usual sources any sort of intensive activity that one would expect after something totally mysterious happened - ie P-3s hunting a sub etc. Granted, I'm a long distance away, but no one I've polled seems to be hearing or seeing anything.
http://contrailscience.com/a-problem-of-perspective-in-the-oc-new-years-eve-contrail/
I'm not seeing/hearing through the usual sources any sort of intensive activity that one would expect after something totally mysterious happened - ie P-3s hunting a sub etc. Granted, I'm a long distance away, but no one I've polled seems to be hearing or seeing anything.
And we do this because every missile launch sets off the early detection systems of our allies and our enemies. An unannounced missile launch is a very risky event even if it is one of ours.
bbkaren
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But they COULDA just said "It was an unnanounced test" regardless of where it came from. Then all the sheeple would nod and say "Okay, no problemo!"
The fact that they're shrugging and claiming ignorance indicates to me that they want us to question it.
They want us all to pay attention.
Regardless of the source of the missile I believe we're supposed to be doing what we're doing right now. Speculating. Wondering...being fearful. Whew! Another close call. Who DID that??
And soon, we'll be led to believe it was launched by...I dunno...Iran? Pakistan? No. Korea?
Somewhere that we could all focus our attention on so that we can't see what "the other hand" is doing.
The fact that they're shrugging and claiming ignorance indicates to me that they want us to question it.
They want us all to pay attention.
Regardless of the source of the missile I believe we're supposed to be doing what we're doing right now. Speculating. Wondering...being fearful. Whew! Another close call. Who DID that??
And soon, we'll be led to believe it was launched by...I dunno...Iran? Pakistan? No. Korea?
Somewhere that we could all focus our attention on so that we can't see what "the other hand" is doing.
Hansa44
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So what's going to happen now?
Let's see. This missile launching is being totally denied by our gov. and they don't know where it came from.....oh my!
Now a city in this country gets hit with a missile and hopefully not nuclear.
But the gov. does not know where they are coming from. Yeah, right.
Oh my God! It must be the muzzies!! Again. Couldn't possibly be Obama and our own country. Obama's not even here.
(just speculation)
Let's see. This missile launching is being totally denied by our gov. and they don't know where it came from.....oh my!
Now a city in this country gets hit with a missile and hopefully not nuclear.
But the gov. does not know where they are coming from. Yeah, right.
Oh my God! It must be the muzzies!! Again. Couldn't possibly be Obama and our own country. Obama's not even here.
(just speculation)
MC2006
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onetimer
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WTF
Pentagon spokesman on mystery missile: 'We've come up empty with any explanation,' but 'are not alarmed about this until we know more'
2 minutes ago TWITTER
Pentagon spokesman on mystery missile: 'We've come up empty with any explanation,' but 'are not alarmed about this until we know more'
2 minutes ago TWITTER
amazon
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Excellent point!
Tundra Gypsy
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In a few days the whole situation will quietly go away; no reponses or follow ups in any kind in the media...we'll all go back to what we were doing; without any explanation. Why should the govt tell us anything? Add it to our Unsolved Mysteries file...
bbkaren
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haha "...but we know it's not the Muslims because the missile was made of pork sausage."
energy_wave
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So, did the military go and change the DEFCON status after this launch? Wouldn't you think if it was some other country launching it we'd see the military react in some way.
Do you people really think another country would try and sneak into our waters and launch a missile like that? One that goes off and hits nothing.
It was ours!!!
Maybe part of the Star Warz defense system. Don't forget that mini shuttle launched a few months ago from the West coast. This stuff is all inter related, imo.
Do you people really think another country would try and sneak into our waters and launch a missile like that? One that goes off and hits nothing.
It was ours!!!
Maybe part of the Star Warz defense system. Don't forget that mini shuttle launched a few months ago from the West coast. This stuff is all inter related, imo.
Border guard
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It doesn't seem possible to me that the Navy did not know a submarine (ours or foreign) was off the coast firing a missile and knew nothing about it. If it is true that the Navy was unaware then we are in very deep trouble. Either way someone is trying to send a message and we'd better find out who and why. - BG
Lilbitsnana
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Might have been posted already, not read all posts yet.
FOX has picked up the story. At Pentagon to try to get answers.
FOX has picked up the story. At Pentagon to try to get answers.
Spirit Of Truth
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So we have an entire missile squadron inexplicably go offline and an apparent ICBM launched without explanation off the coast of Los Angeles, and the Pentagon's response? 'We've come up empty with any explanation,' but 'are not alarmed...'
Seriously....those boys are smoking some of Helicopter Ben's funny money.
Russia and China are about done with America. God have mercy on us all.
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2009/05/russias-secret-war-plans.html
colonel holman
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If they got it on video, then they knew it was coming. Not a bolt-out-of-the-blue. Someone in-house sending a message. Official responses part of that message.