It Is Time to Throw the Social Conservatives Out of the GOP?

[HuntingWolf]

It Is Time to Throw the Social Conservatives Out of the GOP?

By: Erick Erickson (Diary) | November 9th, 2012

http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/09/it-is-time-to-throw-the-social-conservatives-out-of-the-gop/

It is time to throw the social conservatives out of the GOP. Look at what they got us — Barack Obama. It was the social conservatives who did it. They insisted the GOP support real marriage and children. To hell with that.

I’m getting this, in various forms, from lots of tea party activists. The GOP establishment in Washington is whispering it to each other. They look at Todd Aiken and Richard Mourdock and conclude that they, not Tommy Thompson, Heather Wilson, George Allen, Scott Brown, etc. are the problem.

It is time to get rid of the social conservatives.

What’s really going on here is that the people who voted Republican, but who disagree with pro-lifers and defenders of marriage, have decided it must be those issues. They can’t see how what happened actually happened unless it happened because the issues on which they disagree with the base played a role.

This is a psychological avoidance of larger issues and does not stack up to the data.

Mitt Romney won about a quarter of the hispanic vote and a tenth of the black vote.

Those numbers may not sound like much, but in close elections they matter.

A sizable portion of those black and hispanic voters voted GOP despite disagreeing with the GOP on fiscal issues. But they are strongly social conservative and could not vote for the party of killing kids and gay marriage. So they voted GOP.

You throw out the social conservatives and you throw out those hispanic and black voters. Further, you make it harder to attract new hispanic voters who happen to be the most socially conservative voters in the country.

Next, you’ll also see a reduction of probably half the existing GOP base. You won’t make that up with Democrats who suddenly think that because their uterus is safe they can now vote Republican. Most of those people don’t like fiscal conservatism either — often though claiming that they do.

If you really need to think through this, consider MItt Romney. He is perhaps the shiftiest person to ever run for President of the United States. He shifted his position on virtually every position except Romneycare. Of all the politicians to ever run for office, he’d be the one most likely to come out and, after the Republican convention, decide he’d changed his mind. He’d be okay with abortion and okay with gay marriage.

Had he done that, he’d have even less votes.

Several million evangelicals did not vote for George W. Bush in 2000. His campaign had to work to get them back in 2004.

You may mentally decide, to escape having to deal with the other implications of this election, that if only the GOP would abandon its social conservatism it would do better. But if you do, go find yourself a new coalition because you won’t have half the votes the GOP has now. Good luck with that. In fact, if the GOP really wanted to expand with minorities, it’d keep the social conservatism and throw out the fiscal conservatism.

Richard Mourdock was one of two of the poster children for abandoning social conservatives this year. He was beaten by a pro-life Democrat.

The problem is not social conservatism. The problem is social conservatives have gotten so used to thinking of themselves as the majority they’ve forgotten how to speak to those who are not and defend against those who accuse them of being fringe, most particularly the press. Couple that with Mitt Romney’s campaign making a conscious decision to not fight back on the cultural front and you have a bunch of Republicans convinced, despite the facts, that if only the social conservatives would go away all would be fine.

It’s not time to throw out social conservatives. It’s time to accept that without them the GOP would be even a smaller party even less able to reach out to the hispanic demographic all the smart people say they need to embrace. Addition through subtraction never really works well.

 

[Troke]

If you really need to think through this, consider MItt Romney. He is perhaps the shiftiest person to ever run for President of the United States. He shifted his position on virtually every position except Romneycare. Of all the politicians to ever run for office, he’d be the one most likely to come out and, after the Republican convention, decide he’d changed his mind. He’d be okay with abortion and okay with gay marriage.


And several million GOP voters agreed with that and stayed home. And we got Obama. Like I have maintained, the GOP is the Stupid Party.

 

[Dennis Olson]

I wouldn't have bought a used car from Romney. "Shifty" is really being nice. The man was total scum. If he'd said the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside and check. As to who needs to be tossed out of the GOP, it's the G*D DAMNED NEOCONS. Until they get tossed, the GOP can bask in the same glow of success that the Libertarian Party currently enjoys.


Just sayin....

 

[dstraito]

It Is Time to Throw the Social Conservatives Out of the GOP?


No, it is time to throw out this two-party system that does NOT work. It is time to start voting in politicians that will represent the people.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Oh no! You can't start doing that!!! Those are "wasted votes" according to the sheep. MUST.... ALWAYS.... VOTE.... MAIN.... PARTY....

 

[Troke]

Well folks, many in the GOP did exactly what was recommended by many here, stay home or vote 3rd party.

And we got O just as many of us predicted if the recommendations were followed. Thanks alot, fellas.

 

[Dennis Olson]

You're welcome. And the GOP needs to understand that they have to field candidates who have some shred of integrity, or they cannot retake the halls of power. The sooner the RNC hacks figure this out, the sooner we can retake the GOP. But of course, there will certainly be pain among the sheep until that time comes. Evidently Troke, you're one of the sheep...

 

[seeking one]

Well folks, many in the GOP did exactly what was recommended by many here, stay home or vote 3rd party.

And we got O just as many of us predicted if the recommendations were followed. Thanks alot, fellas.

This.

 

[undead]

oh bullshit

all the GOP need do is lay low, shut their friggin' mouths, and quit volunteering to do Obama's job for him (e.g., offering proposals to fix the fiscal cliff, etc.)

Obama is going to destroy this economy, and all the MSNBC's won't be able to save his sorry ass

the GOP just needs to stay out of the way, and CONSTANTLY remind everyone that Democrats control the Fed government

 

[Shacknasty Shagrat]

It could be great for America if the dominant Liberal Establishment of the Republican Party would purge any and all social conservatives from any connection with the Republican Party. This could be done by some form of loyalty oath to the Party and also buy withholding any financial, organizational, and legal support for those disloyal to Liberal Republican principles(pro abortion, gay marriage, bigger government, aggressive foreign military policy, higher taxes(either by expanding the tax base as Republican Speaker of the House Boehner wants, or by raising the rates which the dimwitted Mr. Obama wants, or both , which Senate Imperator Reid wants), robust gun control, and open borders. Admittedly , this is a Leninist tactic(what is worse is better).
Once, in the late 1800s, the Republicans threw Labor out of the party. Viola, the strong Democrat Party arose.
If the RINOs would eject any social(and logically, economic) conservatives from the party, the unified party would have an open field to victory, if they were correct in their assumptions. My assumption is that a Real Party will form, based on conservative principles and freed from the slavery of special interests and achieve some success in four years.
SS

 

[blueridge]

Endless cycles of recriminations - such fun.

 

[fish hook]

You're welcome. And the GOP needs to understand that they have to field candidates who have some shred of integrity, or they cannot retake the halls of power. The sooner the RNC hacks figure this out, the sooner we can retake the GOP. But of course, there will certainly be pain among the sheep until that time comes. Evidently Troke, you're one of the sheep...

They just don't seem able to grasp that concept.If they could,they would have "got it"after the McCain fiasco.I predict that next election they will find a candidate that is more moderate and able to reach out and become more inclusive.That is RNC for much more liberal.They are faithfully following the lead of the Democrat party who gave up their principals fifty years ago.They abandoned the average citizen,and now the RNC has done the same.If conservatives and those who love the constitution want representation They will HAVE to create a third party.

 

[ittybit]

Two options: 1) Constitutional Conservatives grow their base of support and eventually take over the GOP, 2) CC's abandon the GOP, continue to grow their base of support and then replace the GOP as it atrophies. Either way the RINOs lose.

 

[JF&P]

Most folks don't realize that the "Political Arena" is a dog and pony show....study the Hegelian Dialectic, its the NWO tool to create conflict so that they can insert their agenda....

With the reelection of O, I believe that we are close to loosing all that we have gained in the last 200 years....because a highly sophisticated and organized (below the surface) NWO mechanism has been setting us up for decades to dumb us down, destroy morals, the family and the middle class....

But the most important thing is this....Amerika is done, we conservatives are too small in numbers and the dark side listens to everything....

Now its up to each of us to work on our faith, cause we are going to need it.....soon.

 

[Tennessee gal]

Most folks don't realize that the "Political Arena" is a dog and pony show....study the Hegelian Dialectic, its the NWO tool to create conflict so that they can insert their agenda....

With the reelection of O, I believe that we are close to loosing all that we have gained in the last 200 years....because a highly sophisticated and organized (below the surface) NWO mechanism has been setting us up for decades to dumb us down, destroy morals, the family and the middle class....

But the most important thing is this....Amerika is done, we conservatives are too small in numbers and the dark side listens to everything....

Now its up to each of us to work on our faith, cause we are going to need it.....soon.

This!

 

[Flippper]

Most folks don't realize that the "Political Arena" is a dog and pony show....study the Hegelian Dialectic, its the NWO tool to create conflict so that they can insert their agenda....

Absolutely, which is why your next statement is in error. It wouldn't matter if 100% of Americans turned out to vote for a single candidate, oboingo would still be where he is. He was appointed, not elected. He said he wanted 4 more years to finish what he started, but he never said what that was, so sheep assumed he meant hope and change, not rope and chains. Silly sheep, they think he's the good guy and believe they put him in there. I hope they live long enough to recognize and regret their blindness.

With the reelection of O, I believe that we are close to loosing all that we have gained in the last 200 years....because a highly sophisticated and organized (below the surface) NWO mechanism has been setting us up for decades to dumb us down, destroy morals, the family and the middle class....

As I said above, oboingo was not "re-elected", he wasn't even "elected", even a cursory glance at the numbers and racial stats do not add up to a "win" for him, nor did they in 2008.

The remainder of your comment is spot on, it's what satan's been fighting for, he hates Christians, and this Christian nation had a massive bullseye on it. Not only has he hit hard here with his spiritual wickedness in high places, but he will likely be especially sadistic when he gets total control via the dictator and his new regime (interesting his cabinet is nearly all excusing themselves so he can appoint new ones-better brace yourself, it's going to be exceptionally bad) because we are/were a Christian nation.

But the most important thing is this....Amerika is done, we conservatives are too small in numbers and the dark side listens to everything....

A "new age" has arrived, kissinger said "oboingo has been primed to usher in the new world order", this was before he was appointed the first time. Primed? Interesting choice of words, and he is a man of words. I believe the Conservatives far, far outnumber any other group in America-you're buying into media propaganda that we are in the minority because "oboingo won". Listen very closely to me: "He. Did. Not. Win. Anything." Got it? Any time you think we're outnumbered, remember Chik-Fil-A. There were millions who turned out to support them, but remember, many more millions who would have could not due either to time constraints, they didn't know about it, lack of money or because, as in my case, the nearest CFA is thousands of miles away. Do not be discouraged, we are everywhere.

Now its up to each of us to work on our faith, cause we are going to need it.....soon.

Absolutely, we need to humble ourselves before God, pray, seek His Face, and turn from our wicked ways so He will heal our land. I believe He's separating the sheep from the goats, to borrow a Biblical phrase. Pray for wisdom, faith, strength, courage and understanding, all of which will be useful, and will draw us closer to Him. We must also pray that we are always within His Will for us.

 

[Woolly]

The Republican Party, in its current state, is largely worthless. Though they should not, I fully expect the House of Representatives to approve an increase in the National Debt so as to allow further deficit spending. Enough is Enough!

They wouldn't bring the budget to a balance slowly, then it's time to bring it to balance abruptly! My patience has run out, and I just don't give a sh_t any more.

First, let's have a budget, and then balance the damned thing!

Woolly

 

[Brutus]

I wouldn't have bought a used car from Romney. "Shifty" is really being nice. The man was total scum. If he'd said the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside and check. As to who needs to be tossed out of the GOP, it's the G*D DAMNED NEOCONS. Until they get tossed, the GOP can bask in the same glow of success that the Libertarian Party currently enjoys.


Just sayin....

Oh no! You can't start doing that!!! Those are "wasted votes" according to the sheep. MUST.... ALWAYS.... VOTE.... MAIN.... PARTY....

You're welcome. And the GOP needs to understand that they have to field candidates who have some shred of integrity, or they cannot retake the halls of power. The sooner the RNC hacks figure this out, the sooner we can retake the GOP. But of course, there will certainly be pain among the sheep until that time comes. Evidently Troke, you're one of the sheep...

Dennis, if things had gone your way, we'd have had Ron Paul as the GOP nominee and PObama would've beat him like the proverbial red-headed, bastard step-child.

Don't get me wrong, I and probably most other folks on this board would've voted for Paul as the GOP nominee rather than vote for PObama, but you seem entirely incapable of understanding that boards like this, Free Republic, RedState, etc. are aberrations with high concentrations of conservatives that DO NOT represent the majority of the country, even those of the majority who nominally consider themselves "conservative".

If Ron Paul had been the GOP candidate he wouldn't have gotten more than 40% of the vote. ETA: That doesn't mean that there's that much wrong with Ron Paul -- it means that not enough people in this country have enough sense to elect a TRUE conservative.

If we're to get a true conservative into office, he'll have to be the biggest liar since Bill Clinton, promising even more bread and circuses than PObama has *JUST* so he can get elected and then get into office and not do any of that and govern as a true conservative.

This country has gotten beyond *ANY* party platform other than liberal give-away being able to get the voters to put their guy in office.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Hey Brutus, would you mind changing some water into wine, or raising a few dead people? I want to see the rest of your omniscience and omnipotence in action...

 

[undead]

Dennis, if things had gone your way, we'd have had Ron Paul as the GOP nominee and PObama would've beat him like the proverbial red-headed, bastard step-child.

Don't get me wrong, I and probably most other folks on this board would've voted for Paul as the GOP nominee rather than vote for PObama, but you seem entirely incapable of understanding that boards like this, Free Republic, RedState, etc. are aberrations with high concentrations of conservatives that DO NOT represent the majority of the country, even those of the majority who nominally consider themselves "conservative".

If Ron Paul had been the GOP candidate he wouldn't have gotten more than 40% of the vote.

yep


those that WANT something on the dime of someone else, or are GIVEN something on the dime of someone else vastly outnumber any votes RP would have gotten

 

[Brutus]

Hey Brutus, would you mind changing some water into wine, or raising a few dead people? I want to see the rest of your omniscience and omnipotence in action...

Dennis, if you honestly think Ron Paul could've gotten elected in a simple two-way race between him and PObama, you are under the influence of some SERIOUS mind-altering substance.

Seek. help. now.

 

[Gercarson]

Most folks don't realize that the "Political Arena" is a dog and pony show....study the Hegelian Dialectic, its the NWO tool to create conflict so that they can insert their agenda....

With the reelection of O, I believe that we are close to loosing all that we have gained in the last 200 years....because a highly sophisticated and organized (below the surface) NWO mechanism has been setting us up for decades to dumb us down, destroy morals, the family and the middle class....

But the most important thing is this....Amerika is done, we conservatives are too small in numbers and the dark side listens to everything....

Now its up to each of us to work on our faith, cause we are going to need it.....soon.

You are very close with your assessment here - your only flaw is your word "close" - it's over. Now as for the resurgence of any of our "old" country of the U.S.A. - it just ain't gonna happen. There will be NO revival of America as we knew it. This is a many, many generations movement to bring the "NWO" into play. As you have said the Hegelian Dialectic works and has worked very well. For anyone who is singing the praises of either OR any political party is living in a false premise that ONE of them will work. Of course, in the long run the NWO will not last either but none of us will be here to see its demise. Work on your faith, strengthen it and get close to God - He keeps His word and America has left Him - there are mighty few who seek His face and His counsel.

 

[FREEBIRD]

The common thread in almost every discussion of why the GOP lost comes down to, "It's those evil social conservatives and their intractable positions."

Which just proves (as if more proof were needed) the the Democrats and Republicans are the same---they both believe that older, white, Christian, social conservatives, and anyone who even holds one of those characteristics, should have NO voice in this society, certainly no political representation, but should just shut up, work to pay for it all, until they can't work, at which point they should slip out quietly and cause no further trouble.

Why should I care what's "good for the GOP"? They'll slit my throat just as fast as the Democrats.

 

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

The number of people in America who believe as most of us here do,
without the social conservatives, and the country club republicans,
and the libertarians, and the neocons, and the tea partiers could not
get anyone elected dogcatcher.

If America has a future, some future Republican who is charismatic
might win a general election, but most people who vote for him
wont know the issues, or care.

I don't see a viable third party anywhere in sight, so if socialism
is ever to be defeated in America, you have one mechanism,
like it or not, the Republican party.
And if the Republican party who can't attract enough voters now,
starts throwing segments of voters out the door, what are its
chances?

How about changing minds with solid arguments instead?

There are even SOME democrats who were "born into it",
who are not beyond redemption.

 

[Be Well]

If you really need to think through this, consider MItt Romney. He is perhaps the shiftiest person to ever run for President of the United States. He shifted his position on virtually every position except Romneycare. Of all the politicians to ever run for office, he’d be the one most likely to come out and, after the Republican convention, decide he’d changed his mind. He’d be okay with abortion and okay with gay marriage.


And several million GOP voters agreed with that and stayed home. And we got Obama. Like I have maintained, the GOP is the Stupid Party.

There was so much voting fraud that any official numbers they give us are bulls***.

 

[Dennis Olson]

How about changing minds with solid arguments instead?


Many of us tried just that over the last year. We were ignored and ridiculed for it. And YOU were in the crowd that did so. So I'll thank you to not be hypocritical about it.

 

[packyderms_wife]

oh bullshit

all the GOP need do is lay low, shut their friggin' mouths, and quit volunteering to do Obama's job for him (e.g., offering proposals to fix the fiscal cliff, etc.)

Obama is going to destroy this economy, and all the MSNBC's won't be able to save his sorry ass

the GOP just needs to stay out of the way, and CONSTANTLY remind everyone that Democrats control the Fed government

Actually this is a good idea!

K-

 

[Night Owl]

Conservatives would vote for anyone Republican just because they are the least of the 2 evils, so I don't know why the GOP keeps putting in Ultra conservative to get the independents up their noses with far right thinking & possible loss of votes. Also if it ever goes 3 parties, it will be even harder to get a majority of the votes by electoral college, it has to stay 2 party, or you have to change the electoral system. I still don't know why the Republicans don't use their Brains when it comes to Vice President candidates. if only they would have chose Rubio or a woman, like Rice as V.P. they might have swayed many Latino votes or woman/minority votes. Republicans don't use their brains at all, they still think 'good of guy' mentality.

 

[Dennis Olson]

You can't seriously believe that ROMNEY is an ultra conservative, can you?

 

[packyderms_wife]

You can't seriously believe that ROMNEY is an ultra conservative, can you?

No I believe Romney to be a democrat in conservative clothing. Here in Iowa we have a lot of "conservative democrats" or social conservatives. They almost always vote democrat or on whatever "it's for the children" project.

K-

 

[Mudkip]

I snort-laughed at seeing romney = conservative.

Been saying for years we need to abolish the parties. They no longer represent their original tenets. Time for new parties, if we must.

It seems the repubs are not done shooting themselves in the feet and balls. We need to be more moderate, they says. We need to move towards the middle, they says. Oh, we need to embrace abortion and amnesty. Yep. Sure. Let's not only destroy the country, let's put a saddle and reins on this apocalypse and ride it into the sun, FOR GLOBAL WARMING.

 

[Be Well]

I snort-laughed at seeing romney = conservative.

Been saying for years we need to abolish the parties. They no longer represent their original tenets. Time for new parties, if we must.

It seems the repubs are not done shooting themselves in the feet and balls. We need to be more moderate, they says. We need to move towards the middle, they says. Oh, we need to embrace abortion and amnesty. Yep. Sure. Let's not only destroy the country, let's put a saddle and reins on this apocalypse and ride it into the sun, FOR GLOBAL WARMING.

The dead white men who founded our country didn't want any political parties. Just have men's names up and vote for the best one. Makes total sense.

 

[marsh]

I am opposed to a theocracy from any quarter - fundamentalist Christian or Sharia.

 

[Mudkip]

I was already losing hope in my fellow man, but the election sorta tripped the last trigger for me. It's time to pay the piper.

I know where this is going, I've read my history. One can only hope that I'm just being really pessimistic and it won't be as bad as I fear, but I'll just accept the "disappointment" when the time comes. Really though, I hope for disappointment.

Has anyone else noticed that there is no longer common sense? We are all in these theological factions. Feminists and Pretend Atheists are the loudest. I'm just gonna stop here; not saying anything new.

 

[TerryK]

How about changing minds with solid arguments instead?


Many of us tried just that over the last year. We were ignored and ridiculed for it. And YOU were in the crowd that did so. So I'll thank you to not be hypocritical about it.

Gary Johnson tried that. He got less than 1% of the vote.
Silly people, you really take yourselves too seriously. Get outside your little narrow social circle as a few have suggested and see for yourself what passes for an American voter nowdays. Then come back and tell me how you plan to win an election.

Cornpone speaks the truth.
If America has a future, some future Republican who is charismatic
might win a general election, but most people who vote for him
wont know the issues, or care.

I don't see a viable third party anywhere in sight, so if socialism
is ever to be defeated in America, you have one mechanism,
like it or not, the Republican party.
And if the Republican party who can't attract enough voters now,
starts throwing segments of voters out the door, what are its
chances?


Libertarian policies, subscribed to in whole or part by many here, are a joke. Laughed at by both parties. The Libertarians got nine tenths of one percent this year. Roseanne Barr placed 2nd under them. That should tell you something.
We here on this board know more and are more concerned about politics than 99% of the population. We agree on 90%. Yet we stand ready, willing and able to savagely attack each other for any minor difference of opinion in that remaining 10%.

And that is why the republican party will never win a national election unless as Cornpone said, they field a charismatic candidate who can appeal to genuine conservatives and RINOs, the countryclub set and even those who don't know squat about politics but will vote for him because they think its cool. In order to win you will have to win some of those ignorant zombie voters. Too bad Reagan's dead.

 

[TerryK]

The dead white men who founded our country didn't want any political parties. Just have men's names up and vote for the best one. Makes total sense.

But then men with a couple of brain cells got together and figured out that with enough of them cooperating they could get their "best one" elected.
AND PARTIES WERE BORN

 

[Dozdoats]

Sure, that's JUST what the Stupid Party needs to do - exclude yet another block of voters from its base. Look how well they did after they squelched the Tea Party, then ran roughshod over the Ron Paul supporters. All they need to do is dump a few million more people and they too can be a third party.

Too rich
Too old
Too white
TOO STUPID!!!

 

[Mudkip]

I'm so living in the past, thinking that people should apply for citizenship and we should deport all the illegals.

 

[TerryK]

Why Democrats win:

-Unions vote for them because they promise they will help the unions increase their power. The unions could care less about any other issues.

-Blacks vote for them because they promise blacks they will favor them with more affirmative action, food stamps and general welfare. AND BIG PLUS HERE, THE CURRENT CANDIDATE LOOKS LIKE THEM. Blacks could care less about any other issues.

-Hispanics vote for them because the promise hispanics they will allow free immigration from Mexico and grandma won't be put on a train. The welfare checks and affirmative action jobs will keep coming. Hispanics could care less about any other issues.

-Hardcore leftists and socialists vote for them because they promise the little commie leftists that they will continue and even complete the socialist revolution in this country. Leftists could care less about any other issues.

-Young single sluts vote for them because they promise the little sluts that they will guarantee abortion on demand for free, forever, and set aside minority quotas for them along with all the other minorites. The sluts could care less about any other issues.

-Young single women vote for them because they promise to be the husband she doesn't have. The checks will come reliably and they will be there to comfort her when ex-hubby aint. Don't worry if you keep getting pregnant and popping out more ankle biters. Big Daddy Government will be there to help with checks, housing and medical care. The young single women could care less about any other issue.

-Finally frustrated libertarians and Ron Paul supporters will sometimes vote for them because they are so mad at the Republicans for disrespecting them or not agreeing with them. They could care less about any other issue or result to the country. Got to teach those RINOs a lesson.

This is why it is so easy for the Democrats to win.

Now consider the Republicans.
Whatever any single person believes in and wants will be sure to be opposed by 99% of the others. The Ron Paul people, the borderline Libertarians, the Constitutionalists, the Rinos, the Conservatives, the Log Cabin Republicans and the Country Club Republicans seem to hate each other with a passion that far surpasses their dislike for the democrats.
They find much more to argue and complain about within their own ranks than they do with the people on the other side of the aisle.

If civil war breaks out, the Democrats can just wait over on the sidelines until most of us kill each other. Then they can come in and mop up the few remaining and claim victory. Oh wait, thats just what happened.

 

[RobinYyes]

Well folks, many in the GOP did exactly what was recommended by many here, stay home or vote 3rd party.

And we got O just as many of us predicted if the recommendations were followed. Thanks alot, fellas.

Careful Troke. They get cranky when you remind them that staying home or voting 3rd party kept oblahblah in DC. They don't like it when you thank them for being a part of the problem instead of pacifying them because they think they did the right thing. Just wait to remind them when the US does nothing after Israel is attacked, or when another US city is bombed because of terror, or when the price of gas goes up to $8 a gal, or when NJ fails to be rebuilt, or when Bobo gives the UN our childrens schooling, or our right to bear arms. They won't like to be reminded then either, but they will no longer be able to just say 'stfu' or deny that they were part of the problem. May God have mercy on us all.