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The Chicom's will even buy the factory. Sounds a bit desperate.
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The Chicom's will even buy the factory. Sounds a bit desperate.
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Ive noticed the same. I think it’s just the news cycle these days. People get bored really quickly and move onto new things/stories.
Its the same way on tb2k; Within a week hardly anyone will post on this thread and it’ll get moved to a back room.
marsh
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Here is an interesting perspective we have not heard much about from Chris Martensen's daily briefing. (Chris has medical credentials as well as economic)
How Will The Coronavirus Impact The Markets? | Peak Prosperity
The 2019-nCoV “coronavirus” outbreak remains serious and fluid.
Over the past several days, we’ve been publishing a steady stream of videos, reports and podcasts to keep you as up-to-date and informed as possible on the science behind this fast-developing situation. You can follow our full coverage of the coronavirus here.
But the TL;DR version is this:
The first order of business is stopping the spread of the disease, which means prevention. Your immediate and top concern should be readying yourself and your household and loved ones for the arrival of 2019-nCoV. We cover the most useful practices in this report.
Second, help your co-workers and students, passengers, or other such dependents become aware and prepared by practicing good hygiene and educating them about how the virus spreads.
The disruption to global trade the coronavirus is likely to cause is going to be material, perhaps severe. And that will have serious negative consequences for the financial markets, which have been (and is still!) trading at the highest valuations in history.
The coronavirus has all the hallmarks of a true Black Swan event.
Markets & Global Economy Already Impacted
For years now, the global economy has been debt-strangled and limping along, kept alive by constant central bank interventions and money printing. Like any weakened victim, the last thing it needs is any kind of serious shock.
The coronavirus has all the features of the proverbial Black Swan event we’ve long been worried about. Nobody saw it coming, it hit hard and fast, and is spreading far faster than government bureaucracies and the markets can adjust.
It’s the equivalent of slipping an iron bar into the front spokes of a moving bicycle.
We can’t possibly predict how all the implications of this will manifest. Our globalized economy is just too complex. We have a world-wide, just-in-time manufacturing and delivery system. Which just got a huge stick shoved between its spokes.
What does it mean to completely shut down the normal business activities of cities with 5, 10 and even 25 million inhabitant? Particularly in a country with massive property bubbles, where the median price-to-income ratio can be as sky-high as 40(!!)?
Shanghai has a population of 24 million and Suzhou another 10.7 million. Both are now all but completely shut down.
Shanghai is China’s equivalent of New York City. It hosts the main stock exchange and is where the Shanghai Gold Exchange (SGE) is located. Suzhou is a vital manufacturing hub.
I can’t express just how crazy it is to see the videos and pictures from these towns showing empty 8-lane roads, which are normally crammed 24/7 with cars and trucks. Empty subway cars. Nearly abandoned railway stations. Empty sidewalks.
Like literal ghost towns. ‘Ghost cities’ in this case.
Shanghai
(Source)
No cars, no trucks, no people, no commerce.
If that isn’t a stick in the spokes, I don’t know what is. There’s just no way to plan for such an event. You just have to brace for the impact.
Once people self-isolate (which is exactly what they should be doing, and what I will do myself should the virus makes it to my town), economic activity just… stops.
And this is being woefully underappreciated by the global equity markets right now.
Of course, I’ve long ranted that we now bastardized ““markets””, deformed by the terribly misguided and ultimately destructive actions of the world’s central banks and their misguided money printing.
Well, good luck trying to print your way past a virus. Or of a nation’s bus drivers and factory workers staying home.
Below is a graphic showing the location of Apple’s Foxconn plants relative to the coronavirus outbreak:
And yet Apple stock is still trading within a whisker of its all-time high, up nearly 3% as I’m typing this.
See any disconnect?
Beijing
Video Player
I can’t really wrap my head around this cavernous train station being all but completely deserted. Anyone who’s been to Beijing knows that this place is usually furiously humming with commuters like a beehive. The contrast is really stunning.
Wuhan
The above is a usually completely crammed intersection. All we see now is a single parked car.
(Source)
A few people just strolling across the equivalent of 5th Ave NY in the middle of the day without even bothering to look either way. There’s no one about.
Global Travel
Whether for business or pleasure, global travel is being impacted. Tourism is taking a huge hit. Again, there are almost too many data points to process. But here are a few:
Too Much To Process
I have too many other such data points to present. I don’t want to overload you or make this article encyclopedic. But hopefully I’ve provided enough examples above to give you a sense of the near-instantaneous halt the coronavirus has placed on China’s domestic economy and travel.
The data on its impact on manufacturing and trade won’t be known for a little longer, but it’s safe to guess it will be ‘significant.’
This is the nature of fast-moving situations. You have to rapidly grasp a lot of fragmentary data and turn it into something actionable.
And I’ll give you my sense: This is already a massive shock to the Chinese economy. Which in this hyper-connected world, will quickly translate into a shock to the entire global economy.
That hasn’t fully registered yet for most people, and therefore, the markets. But that’s coming. Soon.
The US Is Especially Vulnerable
In the US, healthcare costs are the #1 economic threat to households. More families go bankrupt due to our predatory and inhumane medical care system that any other cause.
Because people can’t afford to call an ambulance or dare to go to the emergency room for fear of being financially destroyed, they will resist seeking treatment until the very last minute. This means detecting people infected with the coronavirus will be slower than in many other countries. Which means the illness will be able to spread farther and faster as the unhospitalized sick and untreated infect more people.
“If The Dow Is Up, Everything’s OK. Right?”
Financial price bubbles require two things to sustain themselves: ample credit and a compelling story.
Ample credit has been supplied by increasingly desperate central banks willing to do “whatever it takes” to keep stock and bond prices elevated.
A normal market confronted with all the above evidence and uncertainty would be experiencing a sell-off here. Markets are supposed to based on future earnings. Less economic activity = less future earnings. Some sort of downwards repricing would be prudent, healthy and mathematically sound at this point.
But what are they doing?
Being bought furiously in the overnight ““markets””. Here’s a chart from this morning (Tuesday 1/28/20):
This is how silly and stupid things have become. The Fed and the Plunge Protection team (PPT) are now on a daily mission to keep stocks from selling off.
This is wrong, perhaps even evil. As it keeps people from appreciating the gravity of the situation. Falling markets would signal that maybe, possibly, something is wrong. That investors should start adopting more caution.
Which they should at this time. Current stock prices simply can’t be justified given what the coronavirus is doing to the world economy. No way, no how.
What Happens If….?
As I said, bubbles need two things: ample credit and a good story. The main “story” of the markets over the past few years has become almost entirely this; “The Fed won’t let them fall.”
There’s been a lot of truth to that sentiment. It’s not wrong. Or at least it hasn’t been.
But can Fed printing and market-propping make China’s empty mega-highways and grounded flights start burning more oil? No, it can’t. So, oil prices will fall. And US oil companies will suffer.
Can Fed printing and market-propping compel the Chinese workers to return to their factories? No.
Can Fed printing and market-propping make tourists return when no one wants to be around crowds? Again, no.
These and a dozen other such questions all end in “no.”
Which is why the story that has been driving the stock market bubble suddenly is breaking.
So, what will happen when the Fed is revealed to be impotent?
Well, then that’s the end. No narrative = no bubble.
And at today’s record highs?
A painful market correction, perhaps even a full-blown crash (stocks down 30-50%), will be the inevitable result.
Conclusion
Today markets are still clinging to the idea that the Fed “has got this.” The sell-off on Monday (just -1.5% on the S%P 500) was entirely too minor to count as anything at all. The vigorous futures buying the next morning says the same thing.
The market doesn’t yet believe that the coronavirus risk is real.
Which means that this may be one of those very rare moments in market history where the immediate future is briefly visible to us, just a little bit before everyone else.
Once you’ve taken the necessary steps to protect your family’s health against the coronavirus threat, then do the same for your money.
Minimize risk. Reduce your exposure to a market crash. And, for those with the risk tolerance, possibly position yourself to profit from one. (Full disclosure I am net short the US equity markets at present)
There are many ways to reduce risk in your portfolio. In this report for our premium readers, Positioning For A Downturn we detail out the wide range of options that investors have for both protecting against a downturn and, for the more courageous, profiting from one.
Again, we are in a rare and likely very brief moment where we see the risks from the coronavirus that the market does not. Use this time wisely.
Click here to read the report (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access).
How Will The Coronavirus Impact The Markets? | Peak Prosperity
- How Will The Coronavirus Impact The Markets?
It's a true Black Swan event that stocks haven't yet noticed
by Chris Martenson
Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 11:10 AM
The 2019-nCoV “coronavirus” outbreak remains serious and fluid.
Over the past several days, we’ve been publishing a steady stream of videos, reports and podcasts to keep you as up-to-date and informed as possible on the science behind this fast-developing situation. You can follow our full coverage of the coronavirus here.
But the TL;DR version is this:
The first order of business is stopping the spread of the disease, which means prevention. Your immediate and top concern should be readying yourself and your household and loved ones for the arrival of 2019-nCoV. We cover the most useful practices in this report.
Second, help your co-workers and students, passengers, or other such dependents become aware and prepared by practicing good hygiene and educating them about how the virus spreads.
But in addition to presenting a major public health risk, the coronavirus is already doing serious economic damage. China, the world’s second-largest economy, is essentially “closed for business” right now.
The disruption to global trade the coronavirus is likely to cause is going to be material, perhaps severe. And that will have serious negative consequences for the financial markets, which have been (and is still!) trading at the highest valuations in history.
The coronavirus has all the hallmarks of a true Black Swan event.
Markets & Global Economy Already Impacted
Remember: it’s not the fall that harms you, it’s how fast you stop.
For years now, the global economy has been debt-strangled and limping along, kept alive by constant central bank interventions and money printing. Like any weakened victim, the last thing it needs is any kind of serious shock.
The coronavirus has all the features of the proverbial Black Swan event we’ve long been worried about. Nobody saw it coming, it hit hard and fast, and is spreading far faster than government bureaucracies and the markets can adjust.
It’s the equivalent of slipping an iron bar into the front spokes of a moving bicycle.
We can’t possibly predict how all the implications of this will manifest. Our globalized economy is just too complex. We have a world-wide, just-in-time manufacturing and delivery system. Which just got a huge stick shoved between its spokes.
What does it mean to completely shut down the normal business activities of cities with 5, 10 and even 25 million inhabitant? Particularly in a country with massive property bubbles, where the median price-to-income ratio can be as sky-high as 40(!!)?
Shanghai has a population of 24 million and Suzhou another 10.7 million. Both are now all but completely shut down.
Shanghai is China’s equivalent of New York City. It hosts the main stock exchange and is where the Shanghai Gold Exchange (SGE) is located. Suzhou is a vital manufacturing hub.
I can’t express just how crazy it is to see the videos and pictures from these towns showing empty 8-lane roads, which are normally crammed 24/7 with cars and trucks. Empty subway cars. Nearly abandoned railway stations. Empty sidewalks.
Like literal ghost towns. ‘Ghost cities’ in this case.
Shanghai
(Source)
No cars, no trucks, no people, no commerce.
If that isn’t a stick in the spokes, I don’t know what is. There’s just no way to plan for such an event. You just have to brace for the impact.
Once people self-isolate (which is exactly what they should be doing, and what I will do myself should the virus makes it to my town), economic activity just… stops.
And this is being woefully underappreciated by the global equity markets right now.
Of course, I’ve long ranted that we now bastardized ““markets””, deformed by the terribly misguided and ultimately destructive actions of the world’s central banks and their misguided money printing.
Well, good luck trying to print your way past a virus. Or of a nation’s bus drivers and factory workers staying home.
Below is a graphic showing the location of Apple’s Foxconn plants relative to the coronavirus outbreak:
And yet Apple stock is still trading within a whisker of its all-time high, up nearly 3% as I’m typing this.
See any disconnect?
Beijing
Video Player
I can’t really wrap my head around this cavernous train station being all but completely deserted. Anyone who’s been to Beijing knows that this place is usually furiously humming with commuters like a beehive. The contrast is really stunning.
Wuhan
The above is a usually completely crammed intersection. All we see now is a single parked car.
(Source)
A few people just strolling across the equivalent of 5th Ave NY in the middle of the day without even bothering to look either way. There’s no one about.
Global Travel
Whether for business or pleasure, global travel is being impacted. Tourism is taking a huge hit. Again, there are almost too many data points to process. But here are a few:
Too Much To Process
I have too many other such data points to present. I don’t want to overload you or make this article encyclopedic. But hopefully I’ve provided enough examples above to give you a sense of the near-instantaneous halt the coronavirus has placed on China’s domestic economy and travel.
The data on its impact on manufacturing and trade won’t be known for a little longer, but it’s safe to guess it will be ‘significant.’
This is the nature of fast-moving situations. You have to rapidly grasp a lot of fragmentary data and turn it into something actionable.
And I’ll give you my sense: This is already a massive shock to the Chinese economy. Which in this hyper-connected world, will quickly translate into a shock to the entire global economy.
That hasn’t fully registered yet for most people, and therefore, the markets. But that’s coming. Soon.
The US Is Especially Vulnerable
In the US, healthcare costs are the #1 economic threat to households. More families go bankrupt due to our predatory and inhumane medical care system that any other cause.
Because people can’t afford to call an ambulance or dare to go to the emergency room for fear of being financially destroyed, they will resist seeking treatment until the very last minute. This means detecting people infected with the coronavirus will be slower than in many other countries. Which means the illness will be able to spread farther and faster as the unhospitalized sick and untreated infect more people.
“If The Dow Is Up, Everything’s OK. Right?”
Financial price bubbles require two things to sustain themselves: ample credit and a compelling story.
Ample credit has been supplied by increasingly desperate central banks willing to do “whatever it takes” to keep stock and bond prices elevated.
A normal market confronted with all the above evidence and uncertainty would be experiencing a sell-off here. Markets are supposed to based on future earnings. Less economic activity = less future earnings. Some sort of downwards repricing would be prudent, healthy and mathematically sound at this point.
But what are they doing?
Being bought furiously in the overnight ““markets””. Here’s a chart from this morning (Tuesday 1/28/20):
This is how silly and stupid things have become. The Fed and the Plunge Protection team (PPT) are now on a daily mission to keep stocks from selling off.
This is wrong, perhaps even evil. As it keeps people from appreciating the gravity of the situation. Falling markets would signal that maybe, possibly, something is wrong. That investors should start adopting more caution.
Which they should at this time. Current stock prices simply can’t be justified given what the coronavirus is doing to the world economy. No way, no how.
What Happens If….?
As I said, bubbles need two things: ample credit and a good story. The main “story” of the markets over the past few years has become almost entirely this; “The Fed won’t let them fall.”
There’s been a lot of truth to that sentiment. It’s not wrong. Or at least it hasn’t been.
But can Fed printing and market-propping make China’s empty mega-highways and grounded flights start burning more oil? No, it can’t. So, oil prices will fall. And US oil companies will suffer.
Can Fed printing and market-propping compel the Chinese workers to return to their factories? No.
Can Fed printing and market-propping make tourists return when no one wants to be around crowds? Again, no.
These and a dozen other such questions all end in “no.”
Which is why the story that has been driving the stock market bubble suddenly is breaking.
So, what will happen when the Fed is revealed to be impotent?
Well, then that’s the end. No narrative = no bubble.
And at today’s record highs?
A painful market correction, perhaps even a full-blown crash (stocks down 30-50%), will be the inevitable result.
Conclusion
Today markets are still clinging to the idea that the Fed “has got this.” The sell-off on Monday (just -1.5% on the S%P 500) was entirely too minor to count as anything at all. The vigorous futures buying the next morning says the same thing.
The market doesn’t yet believe that the coronavirus risk is real.
Which means that this may be one of those very rare moments in market history where the immediate future is briefly visible to us, just a little bit before everyone else.
Once you’ve taken the necessary steps to protect your family’s health against the coronavirus threat, then do the same for your money.
Minimize risk. Reduce your exposure to a market crash. And, for those with the risk tolerance, possibly position yourself to profit from one. (Full disclosure I am net short the US equity markets at present)
There are many ways to reduce risk in your portfolio. In this report for our premium readers, Positioning For A Downturn we detail out the wide range of options that investors have for both protecting against a downturn and, for the more courageous, profiting from one.
Again, we are in a rare and likely very brief moment where we see the risks from the coronavirus that the market does not. Use this time wisely.
Click here to read the report (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access).
mzkitty
I give up.
Read this article at the link. The pictures are gross.
www.businessinsider.com
Both the new coronavirus and SARS outbreaks likely started in Chinese 'wet markets.' Historic photos show what the markets looked like.
China has banned the trade of wild animals. The coronavirus likely jumped to people in a wet market where meat, seafood, and live animals were sold.
www.businessinsider.com
This should have your undivided attention! The silence is deafening. These Orwellian pricks got a phone call from DHS same as the main stream media......they are going into Info lock down. The stampede is not far off.
This time next week will be a new paradigm. If you haven't been to the range in a while, it would be a great time to go. Pull your firearm out from under the bed/back of the closet, get a little practise, verify zero, function check your fire arm, remedial instruction for any non shooters in the household, clean and oil, grab couple extra boxes of ammo to bring home for just in case. Johnny law will be busy elsewhere.....nobody will be coming to save you.
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Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Shane, I have been buying everything I will need to stay in place for at least a month, beyond the usual food etc. Today I bought two pairs of jeans, a full set of socks, underpants, and bought t-shirts last week. I also have been cleaning my studio apartment, stuffing everything I can into plastic boxes with lids. That one was on my New Year's resolution list though.
Pretty big jump in one day in both deaths and confirmed cases. Coronavirus Live Updates: Cases Up Nearly 60%, as Airports Expand Screenings
Warm Wisconsin
Easy as 3.141592653589..
WOW! the number of newly infected people went down from yesterday. The new Chinese controls must be working!
I’m so proud of the CDC and WHO for not declaring a national emergency! since it is going down and this thing is going under control. They are smarter than us, that is why they didn’t!! Much love to the Chinese government!!
(Yes - sarcasm)
I’m so proud of the CDC and WHO for not declaring a national emergency! since it is going down and this thing is going under control. They are smarter than us, that is why they didn’t!! Much love to the Chinese government!!
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nCoV Onward Transmission in Germany - Cluster Grows To Four
By Jonathan Fillion, 1 hour ago in Germany (2019-nCoV)
Posted 1 hour ago (edited)
Three more people in southern Germany have contracted the coronavirus and they are employees at the same company where a man became the first person in Germany to become infected with the virus
The 33-year-old man apparently contracted the virus on Jan. 21 during a training session with a Chinese colleague, the ministry said. The three additional patients were being monitored in isolation at a clinic in Munich.
“A total of around 40 employees at the company have been identified as potential close contacts (with their Chinese colleague). As a precaution, the people concerned are to be tested on Wednesday,”
Three more people in Germany infected with coronavirus: state ministry
Edited 1 hour ago by niman
Ministry of Health confirms
three more coronavirus cases in Bavaria
They are apparently related to the first case: the coronavirus has been detected in three other people in Bavaria. 40 more colleagues are to be tested on Wednesday.
In Bavaria , three other people have been infected with the novel corona virus. They were related to the first confirmed case of the new lung disease in Germany, said a spokesman for the Ministry of Health in Munich. The three newly infected patients are also employees of the Webasto company from the district of Starnberg, where the first person affected is employed.
"It was decided that the three new patients should also be admitted to the Munich Klinik Schwabing and medically monitored and isolated there," the ministry said. "A few other contact persons are currently testing whether they are also infected with the corona virus."
The Bavarian Ministry of Health and the State Office for Health and Food Safety want to report on details in a press release on Wednesday. A spokesman initially did not provide any further information in the evening.
Infection during training
The man , who was first infected in Germany, had been infected on January 21 during a training event with a Chinese colleague. The woman reportedly flew back to China on January 23. On January 27, the company informed the health department of the Chinese woman's illness.
Bavaria's Minister of Health Melanie Huml ( CSU ) said according to the message: "A total of around 40 employees of the company were identified who could be considered as close contacts. Those affected should be tested on Wednesday as a precaution."
The novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV can trigger a lung disease from which more than 100 people have already died in the main spreading country China - most of them were elderly patients with serious previous illnesses. The total number of diseases known worldwide has now risen to more than 4,500; in China at least 106 people died of the lung disease.
The first coronavirus patient had tested positive for the virus on Monday - by then he had gone back to work. "He is doing very well, yesterday morning he was still working," said LGL President Andreas Zapf. "He is fever-free and currently has no respiratory symptoms," added the treating chief physician Clemens Wendtner from the Schwabing Clinic. The man is in an isolation room, there is no danger for other patients.
Nurseries are also under surveillance
According to LGL, the people who had contact with the Chinese and the first sick German Webasto employee are under surveillance and are called upon not to leave their homes. The 33-year-old patient is a father, his child goes to a crèche in the Landsberg am Lech district, according to the Ministry of Health. This is now also under observation, said LGL President Zapf. At first nothing was known about the marital status of the three other patients. The head of the Infectiology Task Force, Martin Hoch, emphasized: "The number can still increase."
recombinomics.co
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By Jonathan Fillion, 1 hour ago in Germany (2019-nCoV)
Posted 1 hour ago (edited)
Three more people in southern Germany have contracted the coronavirus and they are employees at the same company where a man became the first person in Germany to become infected with the virus
The 33-year-old man apparently contracted the virus on Jan. 21 during a training session with a Chinese colleague, the ministry said. The three additional patients were being monitored in isolation at a clinic in Munich.
“A total of around 40 employees at the company have been identified as potential close contacts (with their Chinese colleague). As a precaution, the people concerned are to be tested on Wednesday,”
Three more people in Germany infected with coronavirus: state ministry
Edited 1 hour ago by niman
Ministry of Health confirms
three more coronavirus cases in Bavaria
They are apparently related to the first case: the coronavirus has been detected in three other people in Bavaria. 40 more colleagues are to be tested on Wednesday.
In Bavaria , three other people have been infected with the novel corona virus. They were related to the first confirmed case of the new lung disease in Germany, said a spokesman for the Ministry of Health in Munich. The three newly infected patients are also employees of the Webasto company from the district of Starnberg, where the first person affected is employed.
"It was decided that the three new patients should also be admitted to the Munich Klinik Schwabing and medically monitored and isolated there," the ministry said. "A few other contact persons are currently testing whether they are also infected with the corona virus."
The Bavarian Ministry of Health and the State Office for Health and Food Safety want to report on details in a press release on Wednesday. A spokesman initially did not provide any further information in the evening.
Infection during training
The man , who was first infected in Germany, had been infected on January 21 during a training event with a Chinese colleague. The woman reportedly flew back to China on January 23. On January 27, the company informed the health department of the Chinese woman's illness.
Bavaria's Minister of Health Melanie Huml ( CSU ) said according to the message: "A total of around 40 employees of the company were identified who could be considered as close contacts. Those affected should be tested on Wednesday as a precaution."
The novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV can trigger a lung disease from which more than 100 people have already died in the main spreading country China - most of them were elderly patients with serious previous illnesses. The total number of diseases known worldwide has now risen to more than 4,500; in China at least 106 people died of the lung disease.
The first coronavirus patient had tested positive for the virus on Monday - by then he had gone back to work. "He is doing very well, yesterday morning he was still working," said LGL President Andreas Zapf. "He is fever-free and currently has no respiratory symptoms," added the treating chief physician Clemens Wendtner from the Schwabing Clinic. The man is in an isolation room, there is no danger for other patients.
Nurseries are also under surveillance
According to LGL, the people who had contact with the Chinese and the first sick German Webasto employee are under surveillance and are called upon not to leave their homes. The 33-year-old patient is a father, his child goes to a crèche in the Landsberg am Lech district, according to the Ministry of Health. This is now also under observation, said LGL President Zapf. At first nothing was known about the marital status of the three other patients. The head of the Infectiology Task Force, Martin Hoch, emphasized: "The number can still increase."
nCoV Onward Transmission in Germany - Cluster Grows To Four
Three more people in southern Germany have contracted the coronavirus and they are employees at the same company where a man became the first person in Germany to become infected with the virus The 33-year-old man apparently contracted the virus on Jan. 21 during a training session with a Chinese...
recombinomics.co
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pops88
Girls with Guns Member
My last minute preps have been-
Oatmeal
Flour
TP
Butter
Chocolate
Refilling water bottles
We had already bought more tuna last month and topped up a few things. Over 20 years on TB2K so I hopefully can make it through at least a couple weeks though shooting for closer to at least 6 months.
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thank you! That's what I've got our son doing. He's a student at VA Tech. Lots of Chinese students just back from Winter break. As soon as he gets home, strips off clothes in wash and into the shower. Wish we had a basement with a shower
A few 2x4s for a frame, a pallet to set a prefab fiberglass shower, and a water hose, instant outside shower facility. You may be able to get a damaged shower for less $$$.
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#BREAKING: The White House has told airline executives that it is considering suspending flights from China to the U.S. amid an escalating outbreak from the new coronavirus - CNBC
5:05 PM · Jan 28, 2020·Twitter for Android
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#BREAKING: The White House has told airline executives that it is considering suspending flights from China to the U.S. amid an escalating outbreak from the new coronavirus - CNBC
5:05 PM · Jan 28, 2020·Twitter for Android
pops88
Girls with Guns Member
nCoV Onward Transmission in Germany - Cluster Grows To Four
By Jonathan Fillion, 1 hour ago in Germany (2019-nCoV)
Posted 1 hour ago (edited)
Three more people in southern Germany have contracted the coronavirus and they are employees at the same company where a man became the first person in Germany to become infected with the virus
The 33-year-old man apparently contracted the virus on Jan. 21 during a training session with a Chinese colleague, the ministry said. The three additional patients were being monitored in isolation at a clinic in Munich.
“A total of around 40 employees at the company have been identified as potential close contacts (with their Chinese colleague). As a precaution, the people concerned are to be tested on Wednesday,”
Three more people in Germany infected with coronavirus: state ministry
Edited 1 hour ago by niman
Ministry of Health confirms
three more coronavirus cases in Bavaria
They are apparently related to the first case: the coronavirus has been detected in three other people in Bavaria. 40 more colleagues are to be tested on Wednesday.
In Bavaria , three other people have been infected with the novel corona virus. They were related to the first confirmed case of the new lung disease in Germany, said a spokesman for the Ministry of Health in Munich. The three newly infected patients are also employees of the Webasto company from the district of Starnberg, where the first person affected is employed.
"It was decided that the three new patients should also be admitted to the Munich Klinik Schwabing and medically monitored and isolated there," the ministry said. "A few other contact persons are currently testing whether they are also infected with the corona virus."
The Bavarian Ministry of Health and the State Office for Health and Food Safety want to report on details in a press release on Wednesday. A spokesman initially did not provide any further information in the evening.
Infection during training
The man , who was first infected in Germany, had been infected on January 21 during a training event with a Chinese colleague. The woman reportedly flew back to China on January 23. On January 27, the company informed the health department of the Chinese woman's illness.
Bavaria's Minister of Health Melanie Huml ( CSU ) said according to the message: "A total of around 40 employees of the company were identified who could be considered as close contacts. Those affected should be tested on Wednesday as a precaution."
The novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV can trigger a lung disease from which more than 100 people have already died in the main spreading country China - most of them were elderly patients with serious previous illnesses. The total number of diseases known worldwide has now risen to more than 4,500; in China at least 106 people died of the lung disease.
The first coronavirus patient had tested positive for the virus on Monday - by then he had gone back to work. "He is doing very well, yesterday morning he was still working," said LGL President Andreas Zapf. "He is fever-free and currently has no respiratory symptoms," added the treating chief physician Clemens Wendtner from the Schwabing Clinic. The man is in an isolation room, there is no danger for other patients.
Nurseries are also under surveillance
According to LGL, the people who had contact with the Chinese and the first sick German Webasto employee are under surveillance and are called upon not to leave their homes. The 33-year-old patient is a father, his child goes to a crèche in the Landsberg am Lech district, according to the Ministry of Health. This is now also under observation, said LGL President Zapf. At first nothing was known about the marital status of the three other patients. The head of the Infectiology Task Force, Martin Hoch, emphasized: "The number can still increase."
nCoV Onward Transmission in Germany - Cluster Grows To Four
Three more people in southern Germany have contracted the coronavirus and they are employees at the same company where a man became the first person in Germany to become infected with the virus The 33-year-old man apparently contracted the virus on Jan. 21 during a training session with a Chinese...
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If this report is accurate that the German spread it to colleagues after exposure, it would seem to meet the last criteria to qualify as a pandemic now. See #5 and #6-
Phase 5 is characterized by human-to-human spread of the virus into at least two countries in one WHO region (Figure 4)23. While most countries will not be affected at this stage, the declaration of Phase 5 is a strong signal that a pandemic is imminent and that the time to finalize the organization, communication, and implementation of the planned mitigation measures is short.
FIGURE 4
WHO REGIONS. The boundaries and names shown and the designations used on this map do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of the World Health Organization concerning the legal status of any country, territory, city or area of (more...)
Phase 6, the pandemic phase, is characterized by community level outbreaks in at least one other country in a different WHO region in addition to the criteria defined in Phase 5. Designation of this phase will indicate that a global pandemic is under way.
Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Called into the local talk radio today. I led with the old tried and true.....Panic now, beat the rush. I pushed the idea that food and water along with isolation could be the near future. Now is the time to get that food. We don't know the gravity of the situation yet, but it could be very bad.
The University of Illinois Champaign Urbana has a meeting today I believe, and the city folks on Thursday. The campus stated around 145 Chinese students were in China for break, some were from W and have isolated themselves in their rooms as of yesterday or today...which means if any of them had contracted it, they've been spreading it for the last ten days.....let alone on the flights back.
We will soon find out how bad it might be here on a local level. Multiply this by hundreds or thousands for new jumping off area's. Rather a scary reality may be coming here right now.
Personal note. A well known Christian man and his wife work with the Chinese a lot, she is Chinese. When he walked into our church on Sunday it hit me, he could have contracted this and be spreading it right here and now. I spoke with him after church. He was aware, and they have cancelled classes, but he was in church and if he has contracted it already??????? I used the soap immediately after talking and shaking his hand. Normalcy bias plays into this in a major way. That could change quickly.
Peace, peace, and sudden destruction. Perhaps this is it.
The University of Illinois Champaign Urbana has a meeting today I believe, and the city folks on Thursday. The campus stated around 145 Chinese students were in China for break, some were from W and have isolated themselves in their rooms as of yesterday or today...which means if any of them had contracted it, they've been spreading it for the last ten days.....let alone on the flights back.
We will soon find out how bad it might be here on a local level. Multiply this by hundreds or thousands for new jumping off area's. Rather a scary reality may be coming here right now.
Personal note. A well known Christian man and his wife work with the Chinese a lot, she is Chinese. When he walked into our church on Sunday it hit me, he could have contracted this and be spreading it right here and now. I spoke with him after church. He was aware, and they have cancelled classes, but he was in church and if he has contracted it already??????? I used the soap immediately after talking and shaking his hand. Normalcy bias plays into this in a major way. That could change quickly.
Peace, peace, and sudden destruction. Perhaps this is it.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
OFFICIAL Global Numbers:
4690 Infected
106 Dead
79 Recovered
Comparing the numbers to the reaction tells me a lot about this virus...
4690 Infected
106 Dead
79 Recovered
Comparing the numbers to the reaction tells me a lot about this virus...
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Since we are being blunt this afternoon, Doomer Doug will unleash a cluster bomb at 500 feet. It is brutally simple in terms of the economic impact. Gang, we, ie the USA, has allowed a loooooooong list of everyday items, from clothes, bedding, linens, kitchen utensils, etc and the list really is quite long that are made in China. It is true in certain categories, like a bathrobe I got last week was made in Vietnam of all places, but one month from now the sheeple will rue the day they didn't buy all the stuff made in China that is no longer available. True, a lot of linen, clothing stuff is outsourced from China. Still, the disruptions in the JIT, just in time system, will be widespread. If you need a tv, or a microwave or whatever, you may not even see it in the store, much less be able to buy it in a month or two from now.
Fortunately, the gun and ammo and related stuff is still mostly, not all, but mostly made here in CONUS. PREPARE. PREPARE. PREPARE. I figure we got maybe, repeat maybe, till this Sunday, ie Super Bowl before the Sheeple start to get spooked and begin that Red River stampede. Li is a lying, butcher who is in complete control of an evil system that murders people and sells off their body parts. Shane, one thing to ponder in all this is the "global pandemic," may last for DECADES because China may very well use the infected people as organ donor sources, just like they did with the infected pork. The economic impacts will likely kill as many people as the disease does.
Fortunately, the gun and ammo and related stuff is still mostly, not all, but mostly made here in CONUS. PREPARE. PREPARE. PREPARE. I figure we got maybe, repeat maybe, till this Sunday, ie Super Bowl before the Sheeple start to get spooked and begin that Red River stampede. Li is a lying, butcher who is in complete control of an evil system that murders people and sells off their body parts. Shane, one thing to ponder in all this is the "global pandemic," may last for DECADES because China may very well use the infected people as organ donor sources, just like they did with the infected pork. The economic impacts will likely kill as many people as the disease does.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Except for the vented masks. To keep the germs in, you want a plain paper mask across your face. The vent lets you breathe out easily without getting the mask all damp, but it does that by not filtering on the way out.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
They stopped counting. The Chinese way of solving a problem.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
One of our posters here indicated she found an unusual sequence in the released data which apparently originated in a Portuguese Tick, if I remember correctly... if I remember correctly.
Perhaps more than one source for the contagion in Bavaria?
another check in from Tianjin. nothing of note really but...
People are worried lots of rumors.
groceries are stocked no problem with food.
Most staying home with family. very quiet. no problems and they don't know anyone sick either.
I am just getting second hand update from a worker checking in email.
People are worried lots of rumors.
groceries are stocked no problem with food.
Most staying home with family. very quiet. no problems and they don't know anyone sick either.
I am just getting second hand update from a worker checking in email.
Tucson Sal
Veteran Member
I now have a cold that I caught from my baby granddaughter that I take care of who caught it from her sister who caught it from her mother who is a manager at Ritz Carlton. Stuff spreads quickly and sometimes it causes older and younger people to die when they don't get care in time. I'm not going anywhere until my cold is gone but I'm not going to worry about this unless it is something that common sense and care can't cure.
Tom McDowell
BAMN
From nCoV orf 8 Mutation Found In WA, IL, CA, AZ and Shenzhen Cluster
Q - Based on what you are seeing and the paper at Full-genome evolutionary analysis of the novel corona virus (2019-nCoV) rejects the hypothesis of emergence as a result of a recent recombination event, is it possible that this is a new species of virus?
A - No.This is a lineage with a couple of changes that create a significant evolutionary advantage in humans.
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Q - Based on what you are seeing and the paper at Full-genome evolutionary analysis of the novel corona virus (2019-nCoV) rejects the hypothesis of emergence as a result of a recent recombination event, is it possible that this is a new species of virus?
A - No.This is a lineage with a couple of changes that create a significant evolutionary advantage in humans.
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Fox Snooze is reporting what they are told to report. The MSM, for the most part, is in the bag... Go outside the US for news...
Good Luck,
OA
bw
Fringe Ranger
Time to stop that.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Getting my news from CBC in Canada for the US.
Warm Wisconsin
Easy as 3.141592653589..
China said yesterday they were almost all out of test kits, and new kits might not be available for days.
Scotto
Set Apart
We ALL appreciate what you post mzkitty.
It's just so much info to process that is coming FAST- it's hard to remember it all or keep it all straight.
I appreciate all you do to keep us informed.
Don't get to sure that the h2h transmission rate is falling. They are only testing patients within very narrow criteria. They are deliberately not testing in order to pencil whip the numbers.
From the CDC web page..criteria for testing..which can only be done at cdc.
From the CDC web page..criteria for testing..which can only be done at cdc.
| Clinical Features | & | Epidemiologic Risk |
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| Fever1 and symptoms of lower respiratory illness (e.g., cough, difficulty breathing) | and | In the last 14 days before symptom onset, a history of travel from Wuhan City, China. – or – In the last 14 days before symptom onset, close contact2 with a person who is under investigation for 2019-nCoV while that person was ill. |
| Fever1 or symptoms of lower respiratory illness (e.g., cough, difficulty breathing) | and | In the last 14 days, close contact2 with an ill laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV patient. |
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Some real woo, but then they love symbolism-
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The latest Tweets from ʀᴇɢᴏ™ (@bigreegs1985). "ɪ ᴡᴀꜱ ʙᴏʀɴ ᴀɴᴅ ʀᴀɪꜱᴇᴅ ɪɴ ᴛʜᴇ ᴡɪʟᴅ. Middlesbrough, Englandtwitter.com
What "company" did the virus manifest from?
Methinks "bigreegs1985" is an attention whore...