CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

marsh

marsh

On TB every waking moment
northern watch said:
Stefan Moritz‏ @StefaMoritz 7h7 hours ago

An interesting detail of the German case of #2019nCoV. The suspected index person who transmitted the virus to the German patient has left #Germany asymptomatic. she got symptoms on her flight back home. it seems that patients are infectious before getting symptomatic
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This is important as the CDC stated in its briefing yesterday that they were not convinced yet that this was the case.
 
SouthernBreeze

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hfcomms said:
Because panic is even more contagious than the virus. The government is not going to tell you the absolute truth on anything and of course they think it's for your own good. If they are upfront and honest with what they know and what they probably don't know yet it would not engender confidence and survival of this present system is all about confidence.
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You're right about the government not telling us everything. I'm not trusting the government, especially the CDC to be giving the straight up facts. I was expecting some news, though. Not much of anything today. I'm most grateful for Blizzards post earlier in the thread. His news is noteworthy. That's the kind of info I'm looking for anyway. People who are actually "in the know".
 
Tarryn

Tarryn

Senior Member
2 people under investigation for coronavirus in DC, health officials say | FOX 5 DC

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2 people under investigation for coronavirus in DC, health officials say
Published 21 mins ago
Updated 12 mins ago
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WASHINGTON (FOX 5 DC) - DC Department of Health officials announced Tuesday that two people are currently under investigation for novel coronavirus infection in the District.

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Health officials say one other person has already tested negative for the virus.
The health department is closely monitoring the outbreak that originated in Wuhan, China.
During a news conference on Tuesday, top U.S. health officials said the outbreak is a "potentially very serious public health threat" in the U.S., but the current risk to Americans remains low. To date, there are five confirmed cases of the novel virus in the U.S.
FOX News reports U.S. Health Secretary Alex Azar said the Chinese have refused continued offers from the U.S. to send CDC officials to the country to help with the outbreak response. The offer was first made on Jan. 6, he said, adding U.S. officials have continued to urge more transparency from the country as the disease spreads.
On Monday, The Maryland Health Department announced a state resident met CDC criteria for the testing of coronavirus. State health officials say the individual is in "good condition" and is currrently being monitored while they await test results.
Meanwhile, in Virginia, health officials said two patients that had been investigated for coronavirus have tested negative in central Virginia.
Test results for a patient from northern Virginia are expected later this week. George Mason University is also waiting for test results on one of its students.
 
T

Troke

On TB every waking moment
"(snip)Very few cases REPORTED in the USA, but strongly on watch." Reported by the political CDC. They are SCUM - they will do anything not to create a panic (unsnip)

What we need is a POTUS that tells us the truth!

Stay home.
- Don't allow visitors.
- Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands - for 20 seconds at least, and with soap (Don't depend on hand sanitizers - some are not effective and people don't always use them properly).
- Wash your hands before putting anything in your mouth.
- Nothing in mucus membranes (Eyes, ears, nose, mouth, vagina, anus). Sorry Ladies and Gentleman, you are going to have to put away your toys for the duration.
- Don't touch your face.
- Avoid crowds, gatherings, clinics and ESPECIALLY hospitals.
- If you have to go out as this develops, mask, gloves, whole body clothing - then launder/shower when home.
- Prep for sheltering-in-place for a minimum of 2 weeks.
- Get it done
 
Capt. Eddie

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
At Houston Hobby now. I've seen a total of two masks here. One 20 something Hispanic with a dust mask one Oriental with fabric one like you see them wearing in China all the time. No notices, announcements, or anything else out of the ordinary.
 
nebb

nebb

Veteran Member
Sw Washington here....near Vancouver Wa. Haven’t seen anyone wearing a mask. Usually get some groceries every week and this week got enough extra to last 3 weeks or so. Long term preps are good to go. Picking up a couple friends at PDX this afternoon so gonna ask about masks and any other precautions they noticed.
 
N

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
BLIZZARD!!!!!


THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR NOT FORGETTING US!!


(ESPECIALLY THANK YOU FOR THE PRINTABLE!!!!!!)




I understand the feeling you were describing about your Crew.

(I had a similar happening when Jack Shroder (the Geologist) took a group to K2 to finish HIS studies off and a friend of mine (M. K. Brown, DO--FACO bla-bla thought I might have a bit to contribute.)

Hellova ride and then I ran out of surplus O2 and became less useful and came home)

If I remembered which state you had relo'd to I'd prolly go shake yer hand in thanks.



Chuck Rienzo

N8NLL-- it's in the book)
 
1911user

1911user

Veteran Member
The Latest: AP source: Plane leaves China with Americans

The Latest: AP source: Plane leaves China with Americans
January 28, 2020 GMT



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In this photo released by China's Xinhua News Agency, a pilot wearing a protective suit parks a cargo plane at Wuhan Tianhe International Airport in Wuhan in central China's Hubei Province, Tuesday, Jan. 28, 2020. Hong Kong's leader announced Tuesday that all rail links to mainland China will be cut starting Friday as fears grow about the spread of a new virus. (Cheng Min/Xinhua via AP)

BEIJING (AP) — The Latest on the outbreak of a new virus from China that has sickened thousands of people and killed more than 100 (all times local):
5:45 a.m.
A U.S. State Department official has told The Associated Press that a chartered plane sent to China to pick up Americans in the city of Wuhan has departed and is en route to the U.S.
Wuhan is the epicenter of a new virus that has sickened thousands and killed more than 100.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to speak publicly.
The plane left Wuhan before dawn Wednesday, China time.
It’s first stop will be Anchorage, where the travelers will be re-screened for the virus. Hospitals have been notified and are prepared to treat or quarantine people who may be infected.
Then the plane is scheduled to fly to Ontario, California.
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By Matthew Lee
 
P

Profit of Doom

Dismember
EMICT said:
There will probably be 35% to 40% of the aforementioned group that will not show up for work. I posted the original to see what the groups expectation was of ‘first responders’. The workforce has changed since 9/11 and there is not near the numbers of duty bound individuals that existed at that time. I saw hints of that ‘me and mine’ attitude in 2014 during the Ebola scare. We had a 25 to 30 percent drop out rate for those who had initially volunteered for our bio response team, and were very underwhelmed with the numbers who initially volunteered for the team. Out of a workforce of 5000, we received 28 volunteers and retained 16. I don’t expect any better numbers this time around.
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I worked at a data center during the H5N1 scare. I floated an idea about a skeleton crew isolated on-site. Didn’t get well received.
 
desert_fox

desert_fox

Threadkiller
I am sitting here in my "man-cave" reading up on this and realized that even here in rural Idaho that I know of two companies that regularly send people over to China for work. I know a bit of one of the families, China ruined their marriage, but that is another story.

I will have to check and see where they send their people and when they returned.
 
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Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So, the Chinese woman who infected the first Bavarian left Jan 23rd. I haven't seen how long she was in Germany. Now, on the 28th there are four who are infected with the virus. Did the three additional people catch it from her, or from being in a room where she was, or from the first German patient? That's a very short incubation period if they caught it from the first German patient. I wonder if the Chinese woman was a super-spreader or if the Germans were just very unlucky. Very sobering, either way.
 
bw

bw

Fringe Ranger
Pinecone said:
So, the Chinese woman who infected the first Bavarian left Jan 23rd. I haven't seen how long she was in Germany. Now, on the 28th there are four who are infected with the virus. Did the three additional people catch it from her, or from being in a room where she was, or from the first German patient? That's a very short incubation period if they caught it from the first German patient. I wonder if the Chinese woman was a super-spreader or if the Germans were just very unlucky. Very sobering, either way.
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We don't know how long after infection the victim starts shedding the virus, we know only that they're doing it before three weeks have elapsed. So the other victims could have come from the first German, or at any rate we can't be sure they didn't. But she doesn't need to qualify as a super-spreader to infect four people. One person with a cold in a meeting with a bunch could easily infect several.

Sobering is correct, considering all the fellow travelers she sat next to and talked with on the flights both ways.
 
O

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Just had a little chat with the head of my local faith based organization. I think I ruined his day.

I gave him links over at Flutrackers.com

Personal, Municipal, National, International Preparedness
Personal, Family, & Professional Emergency Preparedness - FluTrackers News and Information

Local & Regional Communities and Organizations

Local & Regional Communities and Organizations - FluTrackers News and Information
Specifically:
Faith-Based Institutions

Faith-Based Institutions - FluTrackers News and Information

Right now I'm chasing down links for him at the CDC for PPE's etc.
 
Scarletbreasted

Scarletbreasted

Galloping geriatric
Ya just gotta laugh (sometimes)!

In Qld we have just about killed the bush fires - now we have mother nature isolating us with water - some areas of Northern Queensland have had over 500 mm of rain in the last 24 hrs (For you non metricated folk, that is about 20") Yup the drought appears to have broken!)

This has now isolated us from traffic (Main highway - The Bruce Highway is underwater at Ayr) likewise the main (only) rail line is flood damaged and closed.

I guess isolation can have its good points but most of out supply chain goods (Food), are south of these blockages - it will however stop Chinese tourists traveling in and to this area, I believe all inward flights from China are now cancelled !
sb
 
P

Pinecone

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bw said:
We don't know how long after infection the victim starts shedding the virus, we know only that they're doing it before three weeks have elapsed. So the other victims could have come from the first German, or at any rate we can't be sure they didn't. But she doesn't need to qualify as a super-spreader to infect four people. One person with a cold in a meeting with a bunch could easily infect several.

Sobering is correct, considering all the fellow travelers she sat next to and talked with on the flights both ways.
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You're right about spreading a cold, BW. We could certainly use more information.
 
D

dvo

Veteran Member
bbbuddy said:
My Alma Mater. Gorgeous campus. I probably wouldn't recognize it now after 51 years...
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Oh...doubt that. Hadn’t changed in 30 years last I saw it. Too bad our institutions of higher learning are prioritizing foreign students over Americans. Tragedy that. We deserve better from our universities.
 
S

Squid

Veteran Member
I was at a large hospital in central Ohio hitting the cafeteria just past lunch no masks.

It does not seem to be an issue yet.
 
diamonds

diamonds

Administrator
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Blizzard said:
Let me be really blunt here. PAY ATTENTION!
I'll put this in terms of Trump's earlier tweet.

"We are in very close communication with China concerning the virus." YES WE ARE - both officially (full of PC lies) and unofficially (in direct contact with researchers and family members of researcher that are in this country.)

"Very few cases REPORTED in the USA, but strongly on watch." Reported by the political CDC. They are SCUM - they will do anything not to create a panic. I know they lie specifically due to the "boots on ground" work my boss has done on ebola and SARS. "Officially" there are few confirmed nCoV cases publicized in the US. There are a whole bunch of people being investigated. There are even MORE secondary contacts. Case in point, in my own town we have an individual who came in on the same flight as the first positive in Washington state. NO ONE has officially contacted him or his family. (We are feeding him facts and recommendations at a distance.)

"We have offered China and President Xi any help that is necessary." We have University links to several research facilities in China and directly with personnel there. The Fake News reports and the clinical reports we've received so far are dramatically different. There is a lot of high-quality information coming in directly to and from researchers. Chinese politics will "save face". Researchers are saving lives and getting the technical information out.

"Our experts are extraordinary!" Absolutely! My boss has a 200+ IQ (tested). He has US patents out the ying-yang. He has spoken directly with the President in the past. His team is just as extraordinary. I am responsible for the medical health of that team (Don't ask how this dumbass Emergency Physician got linked into this group - I just consider it a privilege to know these people that make a profound difference in the world EVERY DAY.)

HERE ARE THE FACTS AS I KNOW THEM:

1. They have traced the virus back to "Patient 0" (I can't find anymore unclassified information about him.) .

2. The original virus contains gene sequences from a "Civit" (cat like), "Krate Snake" and "Horseshoe Bat". There is a great argument about who ate/got infected by whom first. The exotic meat of all three were sold at the Meat Market at WuHan. The possibility of a weaponized/engineered virus has NOT been ruled out.

3. There is a HIGH suspicion this can be transmitted to/from snakes, domestic cats and bats though that is unproven at this time.

4. The virus has evolved TOWARD better human to human transmission and IS continuing to do so.

5. The PUBLIC numbers from China are EXTREMELY LOW. (Direct information to researchers in the US from family of researchers that are in the field themselves. You can dispute all the videos and statements coming out of China, but that fact remains they are reacting much more aggressively in response to this than the seasonal flu that kills thousands times the current "official" nC0V numbers.)

6. The current OFFICIAL rate of sustained infection (R0) is 1.4 to 2.6. Anything over 1 is considered to be self-sustaining. (I suspect that number is much higher due to undocumented infections, whether hidden, self-quarantined, mis-diagnosed or unable to see a documenting health professional. )

7. Current (well documented) incubation is 1-14 days.

8. Infected can shed virus 2-5 days BEFORE showing symptoms of their infection.

9. Surface survival of the virus is approximately 15 minutes (Exposed to sun and chemicals) and up to 7+ days when not exposed to high moisture and UV radiation. (WuHan is a big manufacturing area for the world - Budweiser Beer has been produced there since the mid-90's. Think of all the exports. Think of the contact spread of the virus.)

10. You have to get a certain number of viri to produce an infection. That number is unknown. Avoid areas where people/germs can concentrate (planes, trains, autos, meeting rooms, etc.)

THINGS TO DO:

- Stay home.
- Don't allow visitors.
- Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands - for 20 seconds at least, and with soap (Don't depend on hand sanitizers - some are not effective and people don't always use them properly).
- Wash your hands before putting anything in your mouth.
- Nothing in mucus membranes (Eyes, ears, nose, mouth, vagina, anus). Sorry Ladies and Gentleman, you are going to have to put away your toys for the duration.
- Don't touch your face.
- Avoid crowds, gatherings, clinics and ESPECIALLY hospitals.
- If you have to go out as this develops, mask, gloves, whole body clothing - then launder/shower when home.
- Prep for sheltering-in-place for a minimum of 2 weeks.
- Get it done!

HERE IS WHAT I AM DOING:

Yes, I have to work.

For simple masks we only use N-100s. Anything less is insufficient (will leak during normal activities and are uncomfortable to wear for an extended period of time - read you will touch the outer surface repeatedly to adjust it - BAD) and in the case of surgical masks - those ear loop pieces of cloth/paper, can enhance the spread of the infection when they get wet from regular respirations (20 minutes). BTDT

We use clear wrap around protective lenses generally and goggles for bad stuff. The goggles work well as I can keep my glasses on.

The house has several HEPA air filters, both floor units and high-grade AC filters in the forced air unit (pain in the butt to replace every 3 months).

We wipe everything with Clorox Clean-ups (switches, door handles, railings, anything your hand touches). We wash is as high as temperature as permissible - bodies, clothing, dishes, etc.

We are now experimenting with UV-C hand wands for non-wipe-able items.

RETURNING FROM A DAY AT THE CLINIC:

I come in the basement door and drop my clothing in the laundry or directly into the washer. Doctor bag stays in the basement. (We are experimenting with UV-C lighting for the laundry when we are not there). Shoes/Doctor bag get sprayed with Lysol or UV wanded. From there, I head directly to the shower and redress in clean clothing. The wife wipes everything I've touched down with Clorox Cleanups. Only then do I kiss the wife, play with the dogs, get something to eat, and check my e-mails. After that, its time to drag the wife off to bed for some fun. Since the AIDS epidemic way back when, we agreed to share any lethal bug I might contract in my job - personal choice.

This procedure of stripping and showering got my physician Grandfather through the Spanish Flu without infection as he saw patients in their homes daily. We actually read it in my Grandmother's diary and adopted the practice here.

I will provide more information as it becomes available. Please don't hit me with PMs or open questions. I don't have the time and get really snarky when I get exhausted.

Good luck and Godspeed.

Blizzard, MD, FACEP
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You all need to read and reread this post..
 
goosebeans

goosebeans

Veteran Member
Blizzard said:
Let me be really blunt here. PAY ATTENTION!
I'll put this in terms of Trump's earlier tweet.

"We are in very close communication with China concerning the virus." YES WE ARE - both officially (full of PC lies) and unofficially (in direct contact with researchers and family members of researcher that are in this country.)

"Very few cases REPORTED in the USA, but strongly on watch." Reported by the political CDC. They are SCUM - they will do anything not to create a panic. I know they lie specifically due to the "boots on ground" work my boss has done on ebola and SARS. "Officially" there are few confirmed nCoV cases publicized in the US. There are a whole bunch of people being investigated. There are even MORE secondary contacts. Case in point, in my own town we have an individual who came in on the same flight as the first positive in Washington state. NO ONE has officially contacted him or his family. (We are feeding him facts and recommendations at a distance.)

"We have offered China and President Xi any help that is necessary." We have University links to several research facilities in China and directly with personnel there. The Fake News reports and the clinical reports we've received so far are dramatically different. There is a lot of high-quality information coming in directly to and from researchers. Chinese politics will "save face". Researchers are saving lives and getting the technical information out.

"Our experts are extraordinary!" Absolutely! My boss has a 200+ IQ (tested). He has US patents out the ying-yang. He has spoken directly with the President in the past. His team is just as extraordinary. I am responsible for the medical health of that team (Don't ask how this dumbass Emergency Physician got linked into this group - I just consider it a privilege to know these people that make a profound difference in the world EVERY DAY.)

HERE ARE THE FACTS AS I KNOW THEM:

1. They have traced the virus back to "Patient 0" (I can't find anymore unclassified information about him.) .

2. The original virus contains gene sequences from a "Civit" (cat like), "Krate Snake" and "Horseshoe Bat". There is a great argument about who ate/got infected by whom first. The exotic meat of all three were sold at the Meat Market at WuHan. The possibility of a weaponized/engineered virus has NOT been ruled out.

3. There is a HIGH suspicion this can be transmitted to/from snakes, domestic cats and bats though that is unproven at this time.

4. The virus has evolved TOWARD better human to human transmission and IS continuing to do so.

5. The PUBLIC numbers from China are EXTREMELY LOW. (Direct information to researchers in the US from family of researchers that are in the field themselves. You can dispute all the videos and statements coming out of China, but that fact remains they are reacting much more aggressively in response to this than the seasonal flu that kills thousands times the current "official" nC0V numbers.)

6. The current OFFICIAL rate of sustained infection (R0) is 1.4 to 2.6. Anything over 1 is considered to be self-sustaining. (I suspect that number is much higher due to undocumented infections, whether hidden, self-quarantined, mis-diagnosed or unable to see a documenting health professional. )

7. Current (well documented) incubation is 1-14 days.

8. Infected can shed virus 2-5 days BEFORE showing symptoms of their infection.

9. Surface survival of the virus is approximately 15 minutes (Exposed to sun and chemicals) and up to 7+ days when not exposed to high moisture and UV radiation. (WuHan is a big manufacturing area for the world - Budweiser Beer has been produced there since the mid-90's. Think of all the exports. Think of the contact spread of the virus.)

10. You have to get a certain number of viri to produce an infection. That number is unknown. Avoid areas where people/germs can concentrate (planes, trains, autos, meeting rooms, etc.)

THINGS TO DO:

- Stay home.
- Don't allow visitors.
- Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands - for 20 seconds at least, and with soap (Don't depend on hand sanitizers - some are not effective and people don't always use them properly).
- Wash your hands before putting anything in your mouth.
- Nothing in mucus membranes (Eyes, ears, nose, mouth, vagina, anus). Sorry Ladies and Gentleman, you are going to have to put away your toys for the duration.
- Don't touch your face.
- Avoid crowds, gatherings, clinics and ESPECIALLY hospitals.
- If you have to go out as this develops, mask, gloves, whole body clothing - then launder/shower when home.
- Prep for sheltering-in-place for a minimum of 2 weeks.
- Get it done!

HERE IS WHAT I AM DOING:

Yes, I have to work.

For simple masks we only use N-100s. Anything less is insufficient (will leak during normal activities and are uncomfortable to wear for an extended period of time - read you will touch the outer surface repeatedly to adjust it - BAD) and in the case of surgical masks - those ear loop pieces of cloth/paper, can enhance the spread of the infection when they get wet from regular respirations (20 minutes). BTDT

We use clear wrap around protective lenses generally and goggles for bad stuff. The goggles work well as I can keep my glasses on.

The house has several HEPA air filters, both floor units and high-grade AC filters in the forced air unit (pain in the butt to replace every 3 months).

We wipe everything with Clorox Clean-ups (switches, door handles, railings, anything your hand touches). We wash is as high as temperature as permissible - bodies, clothing, dishes, etc.

We are now experimenting with UV-C hand wands for non-wipe-able items.

RETURNING FROM A DAY AT THE CLINIC:

I come in the basement door and drop my clothing in the laundry or directly into the washer. Doctor bag stays in the basement. (We are experimenting with UV-C lighting for the laundry when we are not there). Shoes/Doctor bag get sprayed with Lysol or UV wanded. From there, I head directly to the shower and redress in clean clothing. The wife wipes everything I've touched down with Clorox Cleanups. Only then do I kiss the wife, play with the dogs, get something to eat, and check my e-mails. After that, its time to drag the wife off to bed for some fun. Since the AIDS epidemic way back when, we agreed to share any lethal bug I might contract in my job - personal choice.

This procedure of stripping and showering got my physician Grandfather through the Spanish Flu without infection as he saw patients in their homes daily. We actually read it in my Grandmother's diary and adopted the practice here.

I will provide more information as it becomes available. Please don't hit me with PMs or open questions. I don't have the time and get really snarky when I get exhausted.

Good luck and Godspeed.

Blizzard, MD, FACEP
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Thank you! That's what I've got our son doing. He's a student at VA Tech. Lots of Chinese students just back from Winter break. As soon as he gets home, strips off clothes in wash and into the shower. Wish we had a basement with a shower :(
 
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