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TerryK

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naturallysweet said:
Then chimpanzees are of the same race as us.
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Actually they have a different number of chromosomes.
Millions of years ago evolving proto-humans chromosome 2 combined with another chromosome.
Apes have 2 separate chromosomes while humans merged two chromosomes into what is now our chromosome 2.
Our chromosome 2 still has centromere and telemere codons in the middle that show where the 2 chromosomes joined together.

Another tidbit: Some viruses actually end up inserting parts of themselves into our own DNA. If they infect a reproductive cell, that virus code will be passed on to our offspring.
It is estimated that 5 -7% of our DNA is composed of virus fragments.
 
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Optimus Prime

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Kris Gandillon said:
Useless, fear-mongering, click bait picture.

In Flightaware, you can make ANY airport, city or country look exactly like that if you zoom out enough.
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I opened the app and typed in Beijing and that’s the pic that came up. If you have better abilities then please post an accurate “live” shot of air traffic over eastern China. Don’t make this personal.
 
Allotrope

Allotrope

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I am not so concerned that this Corona-virus itself is a TEOTWAEKI event but am concerned about the knock-off and chain of dominoes effects. It seems to me that black swans would also usually come in flocks rather than singly and our JIT systems and other fragilities of modern society lack robustness.With a plague of locusts in Africa, grand solar minimum approaching, fourth turning timing being here,long wave economic cycles preparing to manifest, and a whole host of other possibilities, I don’t want to exhaust myself on just one problem.

As to this virus being race specific, if science is good enough to do that than it should be possible to engineer a new virus that only attacks people with the markers for Corona-virus and causes spontaneous human combustion so helping the problem to be self correcting. It would even be carbon neutral. Hey, if you want woo, go all out.
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
As I mentioned a gazillion pages back, at least in the early 1990s San Fransico/Northern California district is officially were any US citizens evacuated from Asia were to be evacuated to.

The change suggests (I hope) that instead of totally untrained civil servants (like we were) that they may be taking them to a more secure location and hopefully an enforced 14 days of isolation.

When the US almost evacuated South Korea, it would have been me and a bunch of other untrained and totally unprepared civil servants from AFDC/Welfare (who picked this agency for this, no one knows?).

Most of them would not be essential employees or medically trained, I also suspect that a lot of them might quit if forced to meet a plane under these circumstances without training and hazmat suits.
 
1911user

1911user

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SouthernBreeze said:
Ok, thanks for the correction. I'm having a hard time keeping up with the thread, so I knew I could be mistaken. Just so I'm understanding it correctly, our government is airlifting Americans out of China, today, but are taking them to Canada instead of San Francisco?
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Ontario, CALIFORNIA (east side of Los Angles, CALIFORNIA metro area)
 
Kathy in FL

Kathy in FL

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That's the issue. Some may have stayed home and died. Some may have stayed home and lived. Neither case has data available to consider, at least not at this time. Not outside of China's very controlled pool of information.
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THIS^^^. We don't have sufficient data to fix a true CFR. Heck we don't even have enough data to fix a correct infection rate. If there really has been 100s of thousands of cases and we only have say 100-500 people dead from this thing, we are looking at a normal flu season.

The weird part is China's response to this. Maybe they just freaked out and didn't want to be under the gun for not reporting a potentially lethal/novel virus that has the same morbidity as the flu. A lot more people die from the flu that is realized by the average guy on the street. Maybe China's infrastructure simply sucks so much that they had no choice but to react the way they did to try and control reaching a tipping point that would make them look weak internationally. Who the heck knows at this point?
 
20Gauge

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
So we are looking at a possible extended sick time when you get the flu.
TheSearcher said:
That's the issue. Some may have stayed home and died. Some may have stayed home and lived. Neither case has data available to consider, at least not at this time. Not outside of China's very controlled pool of information.
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ktrapper

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Capt. Eddie said:
At New Orleans International (MSY) waiting for a flight have seen exactly ONE person with a mask (or any pep for that matter) and that was on octogenarian in a wheel chair. No warning signs or notices posted, security as usual.

Doesn't look like the world outside of TB2K is taking this too seriously yet.

Having some medicinal IPA just in case.
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Same thing as I went through the Seattle airport. I saw a few with masks.
 
Kim99

Kim99

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Melodi said:
As I mentioned a gazillion pages back, at least in the early 1990s San Fransico/Northern California district is officially were any US citizens evacuated from Asia were to be evacuated to.

The change suggests (I hope) that instead of totally untrained civil servants (like we were) that they may be taking them to a more secure location and hopefully an enforced 14 days of isolation.

When the US almost evacuated South Korea, it would have been me and a bunch of other untrained and totally unprepared civil servants from AFDC/Welfare (who picked this agency for this, no one knows?).

Most of them would not be essential employees or medically trained, I also suspect that a lot of them might quit if forced to meet a plane under these circumstances without training and hazmat suits.
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The statement from Ontario International Airport says that they are an official repatriation point for the West Coast and have been fully trained for such an event. I never gave much thought to where these people arrive. I always assumed it was military bases.
 
Vegas321

Vegas321

Live free and survive
Still have another 7-10 days to see if the first wave has a impact outside of China. Chinese New Year was only last Saturday.
 
bw

bw

Fringe Ranger
Kathy in FL said:
Usually by a third wave enough people have gotten ill that a form of herd immunity is formed OR the mutations make is less virulent or some combination.
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As the pool of possible victims becomes more scattered through the general population, due to the rise of immune survivors or improved awareness, natural selection will favor less virulent variants because their carriers survive and function long enough to encounter other candidates. Mutations are going on all the time; it's natural selection that evolves the virus toward the longer-survivorship.
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Kim99 said:
The statement from Ontario International Airport says that they are an official repatriation point for the West Coast and have been fully trained for such an event. I never gave much thought to where these people arrive. I always assumed it was military bases.
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That is great news, I am so glad the US/Federal system is taking this seriously these days, I was shocked in the early 1990s when we were called into a meeting and told we would be handling a mass evacuation that came very close to happening.

I mean we had no training at all in how to deal with people under stress, who might not have all their paperwork, who needed some actual help or referrals etc.

Much less a medical emergency, I suspect after 9/11 things got taken a bit more seriously.
 
naturallysweet

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think a race or ethnicity based lab experiment virus could be possible. Not one that could only be caught by one race. But one that has different fatality based on genes.

Many of our individual genes seem to have on and off positions based on environmental cues. I also shouldn't have to mention the genetic link to immune sustems. (See American indians and how some European are immune to AIDS)

It might be possible to direct some viruses to turn off or on some components of the immune system , or other bodily functions. Making the person weaker, more likely to get sick, and more likely to have complications.

Could china have been working on this technology! Absolutely!!! How else are they planning on depopulation of Africa. would there be damage to the Chinese people? Sure, but less than an all out war. Collateral damage.

Not saying this is the case. But it can't be written off. I'm absolutely positive that this is something that is being researched. Even if only for non lethal purposes. (Imagine ending a disease or curing cancer with a cols?)
 
cyberiot

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
Is the German 2019-nCoV patient a Caucasian? If so, it's end-of-the-woo time for the theory that the virus affects only Asians. Note the confirmation of H-T-H transmission.

www.dw.com

Germany confirms human transmission of coronavirus – DW – 01/28/2020

Health authorities say a Bavarian man contracted the virus from a colleague visiting from China. It is believed to be the first case of human-to-human transmission in Europe.
www.dw.com www.dw.com
 
Hfcomms

Hfcomms

EN66iq
bw said:
It may kill 15% with medical care. We don't know what percentage die of the people who hide at home when they get sick. There are stories out of China of dead in apartments, but we are data-free on that question.
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Good point. If you were going to get it you would want to be one of the first to get it here as there would be adequate hospital response. You get very far into an evolving outbreak the quality of care goes down due to the quantity of people seeking it. Supplies start to run out and there are very few ventilators and other equipment critically ill patients need. Some of those that survive the initial outbreak due to good medical care would not survive in the middle of the outbreak. It is likely that over time the mortality rate is going to go up.
 
Mark D

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
An observation from the "Taxi" video a couple of pages back: the driver and his buddy were wearing their masks incorrectly. Instead of looping one band over the head and around the neck, and the other across the top/back of the skull, they were routing the elastic loops over their ears. The masks were ninety degrees off... And we wonder why the virus is spreading.

KNOW and PRACTICE how to use your PPE folks! It's just like every other piece of gear out there; if you don't know how to use it, it's just an ineffective talisman that's taking up space in your kit.
 
Freeholder

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
The video of two medical professors in Hong Kong (wherever that was posted) showed both of them wearing their masks with the loops around their ears. I wondered about that as I watched.

Kathleen


Mark D said:
An observation from the "Taxi" video a couple of pages back: the driver and his buddy were wearing their masks incorrectly. Instead of looping one band over the head and around the neck, and the other across the top/back of the skull, they were routing the elastic loops over their ears. The masks were ninety degrees off... And we wonder why the virus is spreading.

KNOW and PRACTICE how to use your PPE folks! It's just like every other piece of gear out there; if you don't know how to use it, it's just an ineffective talisman that's taking up space in your kit.
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China Connection

China Connection

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The thing is winter is the main flu season when one's vitamin D levels drop. It is also when the kids get lots of holidays.

So when the kids get back to school and catch the flu they bring it back to mun and dad.

If China can go into lock-down over the last half of winter they might in fact cut back somewhat on the spread for the end of winter.

Anyway living in the Southern Hemisphere in Australia winter is approaching and the flu season. We already have the virus here.
 
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OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Kathy in FL said:
Meh … Mongo has a lot of real, feet on the ground experience as far as prepping and what to prep for. He lives the life every day and has documented it extensively to help others. He doesn't just talk about it. And he is part of a small, tight knit community doing the same thing so he is cognizant of how communities work in real time and what can pose realistic threats to his community and communities in general.

That said, TB2K is famous (infamous) for its snark, dark humor, and woo-control. People are either sure enough of their hypothesizing and theories that they can take it … or not. Those that aren't secure enough and who whap back like they are butthurt should expect their credibility to sink. Same for those postulating theories that use numbers that are insupportable.
You think this is rough? This is nothing compared to how people could be treated. If you're sure then don't worry about it. The question people need to ask themselves is how will they be viewed by others at TB2K after this thread goes dormant. And just to not be viewed as hypocritical, I am talking about all posters, not just a few extreme views on either end of the spectrum.
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Your're right, Ma'am. Perhaps I'm too thin skinned about this... Maybe it is too early. However, it's not something that we should ignore or overlook. Best we help, spend more time in research...

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NCGirl

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Another employee, not sure where he is but not Wuhan. - Very very very few people out and about. Said lots of rumors but no one knows anything. Only place to go is to the grocery to pick up food. Streets empty. No cars, no one biking or walking much either. He doesn't know anyone sick except a regular flu.
 
Heliobas Disciple

Heliobas Disciple

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I just caught up on the thread.

Adding my two cents, I agree the genetic engineering discussion is getting us off track, and I am guilty too of partaking in it (fwiw my posts were of the type that it is possible). But as the news starts to come in more quickly with more cases, side discussions are going to be distracting. I like the idea of a separate thread to argue the issue. I'm not interested in further discussing it here or there because as far as this virus now is proceeding, it's moot, it is what it is and it will be what it will be and if you get sick, you're sick and that's the only reality of it that's going to matter to you.

I am incredibly disturbed about the cases coming out of Germany. Our government is still treating this by finding symptomatic people and isolating them and thinking all is going well. The Germans were both exposed by someone non symptomatic and it was a business meeting, I presume they didn't kiss each other on the mouth or breathe in each other's face. (maybe I shouldn't presume anything though..) The person who spread it wasn't ill so wasn't coughing or sneezing in the room Maybe a hand shake, possibly touching the same food or utensils at the coffee table in the conference room. ie: casual contact. This does not bode well.

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NCGirl

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One thing I keep thinking about is practically every store or restaurant has these plastic flappy things as you enter that you have to push out of the way. So everybody that goes in or out or touching the same plastic flaps. Also they are all breathing on it.

Ok these are what they look like. All over China doorways

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Heliobas Disciple

Heliobas Disciple

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One more thought. We are all trying our best to figure out what's going on. No one has real numbers out of China. The only way to know what this disease is capable of is to watch numbers out of countries that can be trusted to accurately report. That may take a few more weeks when more reported cases start to roll out. Right now it's all speculation - personal bias is going to influence if you speculate that this is nothing or this is worth watching and prepping for just in case, or if this is an ELE and you should run around with your hair on fire. Personally I find it rude for anyone to snark on someone else's opinion, especially to dedicate an entire thread to make fun of people here. We are all doing our best. No one can say who is right or wrong YET. When this is all behind us that can be determined. We all have our biases, we all mean well, and no one should be making fun of anyone else's position. As for the snarkers who think this is going to turn out to be nothing, they may be right, I certainly pray they are and their stubborness in their belief brings me some comfort, but their making fun does not.

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vestige

Deceased
I went to bed during the wee hours last night discussing this a bit with Ragnarok. All in all it was a pleasant discussion. I awoke at a late hour today and have been catching up on the posts which consist of several pages.

Post #4306 is an interesting one but certainly not conclusive in any way.

We are all here, hopefully, to gain information which may be helpful to ourselves and our families. That must be kept in mind as the discussion continues.

I have noted that it appears the only casualty among TB2K members is perhaps a bit of civility. That is easily overcome.

This corona virus situation is somewhat confusing due to the nebulous nature of information available. Let it be our goal to make that information less nebulous.

Press on
 
Vegas321

Vegas321

Live free and survive
Disturbing reports of Chinese people, outside of China. Who are sick, avoiding going to hospitals. And in fact, mingling in public places.
 
pops88

pops88

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northern watch said:
EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 6m6 minutes ago

Facebook,Google and Twitter said they are going to start deciding on what info you see on the #Coronavirus because there is to much misinformation out there. Do you agree with that?
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I've already seen 3 twitter accounts disappear. One woman posted from Toronto that there was someone who'd just returned from Wuhan who had been working in a jewelry store for the last 3 days (as of yesterday.) They also posted that someone who had recently returned and worked in the meat section of a store (grocery I presume but not familiar with name) had face planted at work. She had also posted a warning not to go to a particular mall that had people working there who'd just returned from China. Now her account is gone :( I didn't want to bring that stuff over because I didn't know the person and didn't want to just fear monger, but the bigger point is that the info was scrubbed, true or not.

When I was working in NICU when we first started having outbreaks of MRSA, a lot of us nurses would go home, strip, and put our clothes in the washer because the hospital had quit having wash our scrubs. Another cost saving measure gone bad. We knew that our home machines couldn't get hot enough temperatures to kill some things. We tried not to bring stuff into our homes from work. It seems like common sense, but I think a lot of people get complacent and don't learn from history.
 
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