CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Krayola

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"The quarantine process failed," Fauci said. "I'd like to sugarcoat it and try to be diplomatic about it, but it failed. People were getting infected on that ship. Something went awry in the process of the quarantining on that ship. I don't know what it was, but a lot of people got infected on that ship."
Are these people slow? You don't know what when wrong? How about having 1000 people (crew) expose themselves to sick people and then force them to take care of others (serve food etc) and infect the others too? The crew should have been isolated as well. The third-world guy handling my food is also handling the sick guy's things down the hall from me. No there weren't easy answers on what to do with almost 5K people but anyone with half a brain could see this was going to be the outcome from the start. :rolleyes:
 

joannita

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I am not so sure. If things go bad our hospitals will be overwhelmed and jobs will be scarce. They won't have much reason to come here. I think many Mexican's (and Central American's) might head home. Most here save their money and dream of the day they have enough that they can move back home. When you are sick you want to be home. I think more will leave than come.
Yes, the ones I know head home; there is no one here to take care of them when they are sick and bed and everyone else heads off to work.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
I am not so sure. If things go bad our hospitals will be overwhelmed and jobs will be scarce. They won't have much reason to come here. I think many Mexican's (and Central American's) might head home. Most here save their money and dream of the day they have enough that they can move back home. When you are sick you want to be home. I think more will leave than come.

If it gets this serious, the problem will be that those that are sick will try to get into America for medical care not realizing that America's medical care is over whelmed and no medical care is available and they will perish as are Americans....

The dead will litter the paths into America and dead Americans will litter America....

The military could be stationed along the borders to stop the invasion of the sick.... The ROE may be serious....

If the Virus is not controlled and stopped, the infection and deaths will destroy most countries.... Chaos will be the new normal....

God help us....

Texican....
 
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Zagdid

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Batam factories at risk as coronavirus outbreak stops shipments of raw materials from China
fair use Tue, February 18, 2020 / 05:57 pm Fadli

The ongoing coronavirus crisis has begun to take its toll on industrial activities in Batam, Riau Islands, as supplies of raw materials from China - the epicenter of the outbreak - have dried up.

Batamindo Industrial Park general manager Mook Sooi Wah said about half of the 68 factories operating within the park relied on shipments from China.

“They only have enough supplies to last them until the end of the month. If the supplies are still not replenished by then, they only have two options: connect with alternative suppliers from countries other than China, or cease operations completely,” Mook told The Jakarta Post on Tuesday.

The Batamindo Industrial Park is the first and oldest industrial park in Batam, established through a cooperation agreement between Indonesia and Singapore. The 320-hectare park is home to 68 factories owned by foreign investors and has a total workforce of about 50,000 people.

Mook said the crisis would put a significant dent on industrial activities in Batam as raw materials from China were needed for about 70 percent of what was produced in the region.

He added that a number of electronics factories ceased operation a few weeks ago because of the current situation.

“We hope [the crisis] will end soon,” Mook said, adding that the supply shortage would also affect the livelihoods of factory workers, as they would no longer be required to work overtime to maintain the rate of production, causing them to earn less.

Meanwhile, Panbil Industrial Estate general affairs manager Suyono Saputra said that several companies operating within the estate reported that shipments from China had likewise stopped a few weeks ago because of the coronavirus outbreak that started in Wuhan, Hubei province.

The 170-hectare Panbil Industrial Estate has 25 tenants, including brands such as Philips, Shimano, and TDK.

“So the tenants have been using materials that were shipped [prior to the outbreak]. If we don’t receive any new supplies, we will have to look for alternative [suppliers],” Suyono said. “There are indeed business opportunities with countries other than China, but it’s not exactly easy.”

In January, imports of raw materials and capital goods dropped by 7.35 percent and 5.26 percent year-on-year, respectively, Statistics Indonesia (BPS) announced on Monday.

China’s official death toll neared 1,900 on Tuesday, as reported by AFP, with more than 73,000 confirmed cases worldwide.

The government halted imports of live animals from China through a 2020 Trade Ministry Regulation on Feb. 7, among a slew of other policies intended to prevent the coronavirus from reaching the country. (rfa)
 

jaw1969

Senior Member
Several pages back there were posts concerning a loss of utilities. I've written on this topic countless times and am not going to produce a huge tome here. Still, if anyone hasn't looked into at least basic electrical generation, this might be the time to do it. At minimum, you should get a 12 volt DC to 115 AC inverter, which will allow your car or truck to act as a small generator. Additionally, you might want to acquire a couple of extra batteries, which will allow you to charge them (with jumper cables) while your vehicle is running. If you can do even basic soldering, you can rig emergency 12 volt LED lights to operate on your batteries in your home. A 1500 watt inverter will probably be enough to operate a standard sized refrigerator or a small chest freezer while your vehicle is running.

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Doc
A refrigerator will take significantly more than a 1500 watt full wave MOSFET inverter to run reliable the small inverters not designed to run full-size appliances all the time and will burn up in short order. A small inexpensive (300 to 500 dollars) inverter 1500 watt or so will run 600 to 800 watts of lights pure resistance watts full time and might get 15 mins of frig or freezer watching it all the time. Sometimes even a small phone charger will cause a inverter to over heat. Don't even look at a modified sine wave inverter almost all are junk.You need a real transformer inverter which are significantly more expensive.... I know these facts by experience... Look into Magnum inverters they're a very good brand made here in the United States
 

mzkitty

I give up.
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Updated: 3:12 PM, Feb 18, 2020

GAITHERSBURG, Md. -- Under the fluorescent lights, inside a series of labs, researchers believe they may have cracked the code to create a vaccine for the new coronavirus, which has officially named COVID-19.

“It’s rapidly evolving,” said Dr. Gregory Glenn, president of research and development at the Maryland-based company Novavax. “As a company, we are very invested in looking at how to protect people against infectious diseases.”

Novavax is one of several pharmaceutical companies around the world, racing to develop a vaccine for the strain of the coronavirus, which recently emerged in Wuhan, China.

“We have to puzzle-solve with vaccines,” Dr. Glenn said. “We think about: what do we want to have the immune response to target? Because that should block the infection and stop the illness and that’s the goal here.”

He showed a three-dimensional computerized depiction of what the virus looks like.

“The coronavirus – corona being ‘crown’ – has spikes,” he said. “Those spikes have a very important function. They let the virus bind to the human cell and then those spikes act as a syringe to inject genetic material into the human cell.”

A vaccine would potentially stop that process, thereby protecting a person from the coronavirus.

“We have the gene, we have the vaccine, we’re going to move it into animal testing shortly,” Dr. Glenn said. “Our goal is in late spring to be testing in humans.”

It normally takes about 18 months to get human trials started on a vaccine. This shorter time frame is nothing new for the company; they developed an Ebola vaccine within 90 days ready for testing – but there’s a catch.

It can take years for a vaccine to get approved, but under dire circumstances sometimes they can be used through something called “expanded access” or “compassionate use” – meaning, the vaccine can be used in humans, before it’s fully licensed.

“That happened with Ebola – they didn’t have a licensed vaccine, but they were able to use it under ‘compassionate use,’ they developed evidence that it was working,” Dr. Glenn said.

As for a fully approved coronavirus vaccine, experts say that would take longer.

“A vaccine in a year would be record-setting time, but not in time to probably have much impact for this disease outbreak,” said Dr. Eric Toner with the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

However, if the coronavirus sticks around or comes back stronger in a second wave of the disease, Dr. Glenn said they want to be ready.

“We know time is of the essence here,” he said.

So far, approximately 73,000 people have been infected and more than 1,800 people have died from the most recent strain of the coronavirus

 

Lindy

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Supply Chain Chaos Unfolds At Major Chinese Ports As Frozen Meat Containers Pile Up

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by Tyler Durden

Tue, 02/18/2020 - 12:05

New evidence from Bloomberg reveals cracking global supply chains are fast emerging at major Chinese ports with thousands of containers of frozen meat piling up with nowhere to go.
The Covid19 outbreak will remain a dominant issue for 1Q as supply chain shocks are being felt by multinationals on either side of the hemisphere.
Sources told Bloomberg that containers of frozen pork, chicken, and beef (mostly from South America, Europe, and the US) are piling up at Tianjin, Shanghai, and Ningbo ports because of the lack of truck drivers and many transportation networks remain closed.
Seaports in China are quickly running out of room to house the containers and cannot provide enough electricity points to keep existing containers cold. This has forced many vessels to be rerouted to other destinations.



We've already noted that Bloomberg's Stephen Stapczynski recorded footage of an oil tanker parking lot off the Singapore coast last week as refiners in China cut runs as crude consumption has collapsed by more than 4 million barrels per day.
It's clear that a logistical nightmare is unfolding as two-thirds of the Chinese economy has effectively shut down much of its production capacity, producing a massive "demand shock."

The impact on the global economy is already dragging down world trade and could force the World Trade Organization (WTO) to slash economic growth forecasts for the year.

The Chinese economy constitutes about 20% of global GDP, and supply chain disruptions across China could cause a cascading effect that could tilt the world into recession.

But it's not just frozen meats piling up at Chinese ports or a crude glut developing. There's a high risk that product shortages to Western countries could be 60-90 days out.
Alibaba Group's CEO Daniel Zhang warned last week that the supply chain disruption, or "shock," is a "black swan event" for the global economy.

The "black swan" warning was also repeated by Freeport-McMoRan CEO Richard Adkerson several weeks ago after he said the outbreak of the virus in China is a "real black swan event."

China's economy is at a standstill and could trigger the next economic crisis, not seen since 2008.


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Wondering if they are coming or going? Remember back a bit ? we were gonna be shipping all of our chickens to China for them to prep them for market and than they would be shipping them back to us. Made NO sense...don't even know if it was implemented or if I'm making this up.
 

Lindy

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Yes Trivium Pursuit, I have read about the virus' smoker affinity - which is unfortunate in my case as I smoke - but there has been much less written about any racial affinities. I suspect that this is due both to ignorance on the subject and politically correct constraints. Additionally, I've read (but can't corroborate) than people with A Neg blood are more susceptible. I'm AB Neg, so this may be a concern for me.

Oh, well. We all die some time. I'm not being cavalier about this, but came to terms with my own mortality decades ago. I've survived some incredibly dangerous episodes in my life, so it would be mildly amusing irony if it was a tiny virus that finally took me out. Hopefully if that time comes, I can manage an ironic smile.

Best
Doc
Hi Doc....not to be too disheartened. Maybe it will mutate & you will be one of the "lucky" ones who survives! Seems like I remember reading that during the Spanish flu the smokers were fairing better...maybe lungs coated enough to protect
 

northern watch

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EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 12m12 minutes ago

Florida officials mum on coronavirus tests of state residents The state’s surgeon general said the Florida Department of Health is not authorized to publish the number of people in the state being tested for the virus out of privacy concerns.

EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 13m13 minutes ago

I wonder how many other states are under Gag orders? This is bullshit.

EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 7m7 minutes ago

They don't have to say the persons name or where he/she lives just a number like Seattle does. This is BS to hold back info like this over something so serious.
 

Sub-Zero

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I am not so sure. If things go bad our hospitals will be overwhelmed and jobs will be scarce. They won't have much reason to come here. I think many Mexican's (and Central American's) might head home. Most here save their money and dream of the day they have enough that they can move back home. When you are sick you want to be home. I think more will leave than come.
No. Remember the the Ebola case that came across the border and ended up in an apartment complex? Do you remember how many resources were used on him?

They will come because healthcare is free, better, and they cannot be turned away.

They will come.
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
I am still not hearing much at work except that we are conserving on masks. The tie on masks are being kept back for surgical crews. The loop over the ear ones are for general public use. And ask the “Have you been out of the country in the last 30 days” question. Which is the same question we ask every person who comes in.

I feel really bad for the British couple on the cruz ship! The last vid he did tho, he mentioned low grade fever and had a light dry cough. One thing interesting is they refused to go top side and walk the deck. just because they could not stay the distance required from others to avoid getting it. Yet they still caught it. So it could only have been passed to them in two ways...the air duct system, or who ever prepared or brought their food to them. And they had a sea side cabin with a deck. This thing is highly, highly contagious.
 

Sub-Zero

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Good short video. Dude makes it real about what happens when it gets to the US. Highly recommends fish antibiotics ...anybody know anything about that?
View: https://youtu.be/UGi0_krUZJk
No offense, but he doesn't really seem to know what he's talking about. I didn't hear him us an R0 number, just "what ifs" (if one percent, if 1/10 percent and so on). Sincerity does not equal expertise.
 
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shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Highly recommends fish antibiotics ...anybody know anything about that?

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
I am still not hearing much at work except that we are conserving on masks. The tie on masks are being kept back for surgical crews. The loop over the ear ones are for general public use. And ask the “Have you been out of the country in the last 30 days” question. Which is the same question we ask every person who comes in.

I feel really bad for the British couple on the cruz ship! The last vid he did tho, he mentioned low grade fever and had a light dry cough. One thing interesting is they refused to go top side and walk the deck. just because they could not stay the distance required from others to avoid getting it. Yet they still caught it. So it could only have been passed to them in two ways...the air duct system, or who ever prepared or brought their food to them. And they had a sea side cabin with a deck. This thing is highly, highly contagious.
Doesn't help that the Japanese totally cocked-up their infection control:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtHYZkLuKcI

This guy is the real deal:
Professor Kentaro Iwata.

He basically says that the Japanese handling of the Diamond Princess is pretty much guaranteeing an outbreak... Fukishima 2.0 anyone? Once again, the illusion of Japanese competency has been shattered.

Oh ya. The Japanese have a higher percentage of ACE2 receptors than the Chinese do - if that is still a possible factor for susceptibility.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
Also, this may be a good time to stock up on some heritage silver (some people refer to it is junk silver, or pre 1965 US halfs, quarters and dimes). If it does go full "Contagion", paper may be worthless and electronic transactions may be down.
 

Sub-Zero

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Heliobas Disciple

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Regarding this quote about the Americans being evacuated from Diamond Princess:
My cynical side says the Japanese purposely did this to get them off of their soil. If they had told us earlier, we may have left them there.

According to the New York Post, 14 Americans among the more than 300 US citizen passengers being evacuated from the cruise ship 'Diamond Princess' after nearly two weeks of quarantine have tested positive for the virus. Officials said they didn't learn of the positive tests until the flight was about to take off.

Some of them outright lied that they were cleared. Someone earlier up on the thread posted a tweet link to a woman who was on the flight who told Fox News she lied to get her and her husband on the flight that their tests came back negative when in fact they never got the tests back. Her husband got sick on the flight (not one of the original 14), his fever spiked and then he was too sick to walk to get off the flight. (She blamed it on his guillan barre pre-existing condition.) She was also put in isolation when they landed and she did a facebook video and she was coughing the entire time, so basically she's sick too and her tests haven't confirmed it as of the time she made the video. She and her husband took down a balcony divider to break the quarantine and hang with their friends. Their friend got sick first. So she broke the quarantine, lied to get on the ship knowing she was in the room with the sick woman because she took down the divider on their balconies, and when she made a video from the plane, pulled her face mask down to talk on the video. And then she had the audacity to complain that they never told them they'd be on a flight with 14 sick people.

HD

ETA: here's the link to her telling fox news she lied:
 
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20Gauge

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Wondering if they are coming or going? Remember back a bit ? we were gonna be shipping all of our chickens to China for them to prep them for market and than they would be shipping them back to us. Made NO sense...don't even know if it was implemented or if I'm making this up.
I understood the same thing. It was cheaper to fly them out and back after they got slaughtered in the USA.....That tells you something about the lack of China regulations....
 

20Gauge

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EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 12m12 minutes ago

Florida officials mum on coronavirus tests of state residents The state’s surgeon general said the Florida Department of Health is not authorized to publish the number of people in the state being tested for the virus out of privacy concerns.

EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 13m13 minutes ago

I wonder how many other states are under Gag orders? This is bullshit.

EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 7m7 minutes ago

They don't have to say the persons name or where he/she lives just a number like Seattle does. This is BS to hold back info like this over something so serious.
It is Disney season..... zombies could be all over Florida and they wouldn't say a word.....
 

20Gauge

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Also, this may be a good time to stock up on some heritage silver (some people refer to it is junk silver, or pre 1965 US halfs, quarters and dimes). If it does go full "Contagion", paper may be worthless and electronic transactions may be down.
done that...... next!
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Walmart CEO McMillian being interviewed on CNBC. When asked about the Wuhan virus he starts talking about their stores in China operating at reduced hours. When asked about all the product that comes out of China for their stores he shrugged it off.He said that only about 30% of their product is sourced from China and that they will simply use other foreign suppliers to obtain those products. Easy peasy I guess? I guess it doesn’t matter that China is the supplier of most of those raw materials that other nations use to make similar product. When asked about the impact of the virus in their rosy forward looking guidance he simply says it’s an unknown and not currently factored into their thinking.

Public owned companies WILL NOT say anything or do anything not publicly. Their stocks would tank immediately. This is the problem with publicly owned companies and he has personal skin in the game most of his bonuses and salary is paid in Walmart stock as are ALL public companies CEOs.

Exactly. He's not about to go on TV and announce to the world that they're screwed. He'll say whatever he has to say to keep the stockholders happy.

HD
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Good short video. Dude makes it real about what happens when it gets to the US. Highly recommends fish antibiotics ...anybody know anything about that?
You know, those recently introduced unicorn antibiotics that magically treat viruses.

By all means, keep some antibiotics around for treating BACTERIAL infections. Even then, you're going to want informed direction about which ones and how much to use for the specific malady.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Officials in Hubei province, the centre of the coronavirus outbreak, will adopt more thorough and forceful measures to find patients with fever, state media reported today. Records of all fever patients who have visited a doctor since 20 January will be checked, as well as the records of those who have bought over-the-counter cough and fever medications in shops and online, Xinhua reported.
Total spectrum surveillance. Bought some cough syrup for poor deceased mother and now in quarantine.

Hope you enjoy the clay pot rice made by robots! A Chinese company donated an automatic cooking machine to Wuhan, which can simultaneously cook 36 clay pot rice dishes without manual help. It runs around the clock to provide fresh meals for medics, free of charge.
cool!

AI and robots. Two industries that will spring into overdrive because of this virus.

HD
 

frazbo

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Ozarks area here. Went to town a few days ago, had DH pick up couple of extra 5# boxes of screws, from China, for "just in case". Paid 17.00 each for them, and here today, he went back to the same hardware store, Ace, to get another couple of boxes and they jumped 3.00 each. The cashier said all their prices were jumping on just about everything. Another customer said he should probably have them disinfected from Coronavirus, they all just smiled and said that day would come and sooner than they think.

Cashier said to get what you need while you can.
 

Zoner

Veteran Member
No offense, but he doesn't really seem to know what he's talking about. I didn't hear him us an R0 number, just "what ifs" (if one percent, if 1/10 percent and so on). Sincerity does not equal expertise.
No not an expert ...he’s just a dude who is using his common sense realizing that if only 1/10 of 1% were infected out of 760 million people then that means hundreds of thousands are infected that’s all. And he did peak my interest on what fish antibiotics r all about. Peace/out
 
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