CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

bw

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"The quarantine process failed," Fauci said. "I'd like to sugarcoat it and try to be diplomatic about it, but it failed. People were getting infected on that ship. Something went awry in the process of the quarantining on that ship. I don't know what it was, but a lot of people got infected on that ship."

He's smarter than that. He knows exactly what failed, but to say so would condemn the governments involved as a bunch of nincompoops. The ship was an incubator.
 
6 min ago
Coronavirus death rate in Wuhan may reflect "severe" pressure on health care system, official says
From CNN’s Michael Nedelman

Numbers suggesting death rates from coronavirus may be higher inside Wuhan and lower elsewhere may reflect "severe" pressure on the health care system there, Mike Ryan, executive director of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Programme, told reporters Tuesday.

Ryan was responding to a report published Monday by scientists with the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, showing that patient outcomes in Hubei province are a key driver of the 2.3% case fatality rate they calculated. In Hubei, that number is 2.9%; in other Chinese provinces, that number is 0.4%.

The upside, Ryan added, is that "the lessons that have been learned in Hubei and Wuhan are being applied elsewhere."
Those lessons include predicting who's most at risk, getting people into critical care early, and ensuring medical teams are well trained in advanced critical care techniques such as ventilation.

"I think the system in China, for example, has got much better at prioritizing those more likely be severely ill," said Ryan, who maintained that the case fatality rate can be misleading without proper context.
"You have a huge bias at the beginning of an outbreak because what you find are the really sick people coming forward," Ryan said, adding that death rates are likely to drop "probably because of better and better interventions over time, but also because we're finding more mild cases."


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Translation - death rate is higher in densely populated areas with an overwhelmed healthcare system run by communists.

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SusieSunshine

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Interesting thought. Viruses can get past the blood/brain barrier. My doctor told me this one of the ways they can quickly narrow down if it is viral or bacterial. If you have brain fog or confusion it is more likely to be viral.

You are the first to mention this. I wonder how it effects decision making processes and emotional states?

Shadow
Good to know. Thanks Shane!
 

SouthernBreeze

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SouthernBreeze, please accept my apologies! I wasn't meaning that as a criticism of you guys! I meant to add that we get the large Milk Bones - supposedly made in Kansas. We break them in half or thirds to make them go farther. We don't feed many treats though. Hubby's dog will do anything for a little piece of carrot. So that's what he gets. :) I'm sorry my comment sounded so curt! It's getting harder and harder to find anything that isn't made in China.

Oh, No! I didn't even have an inklin' that you were being critical. That's why I said that it was our mistake for not checking sooner to see where his treats were made. Our Frisco weighs 55 lbs, and he thinks that life isn't worth living without his treats, LOL! I have a set time each day for his treats. When it gets close to that time, he comes to me, sits, and stares, letting me know what time it is. He's just like a kid!
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
Looks like a synthesis of today's news so far may be indicating we are headed into the next (more dangerous) phase:

MSM is more willing to report about coronavirus bad news.

Diamond Princess numbers are way up, and even Joe Sixpack has to feel some level of uneasiness about that.

Gold and Silver are significantly up today.

Stay vigilant. The herd may have lifted their noses into the air, and the stampede may be sooner than we think.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
'The quarantine process failed': Over 500 have tested positive for Coronavirus onboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship

'Something went awry'
FEBRUARY 18, 2020







It didn't fail. well kinda but not the way they mean.

A quarantine is to keep the virus away from the general public. It's not to keep those sick safe. But if they are just going to let loose those who have done their 14 days on the ship, it did fail. It's obvious that it will continue to spread if they just get off the boat and disperse across the world. In this case they should have just let them off 2 weeks ago when less were infected.
 
6m ago 18:10

Russia suspends entry of Chinese citizens

Russia will suspend entry of Chinese citizens to its territory starting from 20 February, Russian authorities in charge of coronavirus prevention have said.

The suspension will be for Chinese citizens entering Russia for employment, private, educational and tourist purposes.

The suspension will be temporary, the statement said.

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Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Several pages back there were posts concerning a loss of utilities. I've written on this topic countless times and am not going to produce a huge tome here. Still, if anyone hasn't looked into at least basic electrical generation, this might be the time to do it. At minimum, you should get a 12 volt DC to 115 AC inverter, which will allow your car or truck to act as a small generator. Additionally, you might want to acquire a couple of extra batteries, which will allow you to charge them (with jumper cables) while your vehicle is running. If you can do even basic soldering, you can rig emergency 12 volt LED lights to operate on your batteries in your home. A 1500 watt inverter will probably be enough to operate a standard sized refrigerator or a small chest freezer while your vehicle is running.

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Doc
 

Jonas Parker

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Photos: China’s City Streets Empty as Workers Avoid Coronavirus
TOPSHOT - A general view of Shenzhen is seen from a bus travelling on the Shenzhen Bay bridge in Hong Kong on February 8, 2020. - Hong Kong began enforcing a mandatory two-week quarantine for anyone arriving from mainland China, a dramatic escalation of its bid to stop the deadly …
PHILIP FONG/AFP via Getty ImagesFRANCES MARTEL18 Feb 2020215
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“The outbreak will be short-lived, and it will not affect China’s competitiveness,” the state-run Global Times newspaper proclaimed Tuesday.
While China insists its economic output remains strong, photos from its major economic hubs show millions-strong cities completely deserted, bringing the Chinese economy to a screeching halt.
At press time, China has documented 72,439 cases of the newly discovered coronavirus originating in Wuhan, a central Chinese city of 11 million people. Of those identified as confirmed patients, 1,870 have died within China, the overwhelming majority. While most of those cases have been confirmed in Wuhan and the surrounding Hubei province, doctors have confirmed growing numbers of cases in Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen, some of the most important urban centers to China’s economy.
The Wuhan coronavirus reportedly began spreading in Wuhan in mid-December; the Chinese Communist Party informed the public of the outbreak on January 20. Since then, the virus has spread to every province in the country and to places outside of communist rule like Hong Kong and Macau. To help contain the outbreak, Chinese officials have implemented strict lockdowns forcing many people to work from home. Those who cannot do so, like factory workers who need access to materials and machinery, have simply not been able to work.
In central Wuhan, the government has banned residents from leaving their homes. Former Shanghai Mayor Ying Yong – a loyalist to dictator Xi Jinping recently appointed head of the Communist Party in Hubei province, where Wuhan is located – implemented a ban from being out in public throughout Wuhan and several other cities in the province. According to the South China Morning Post, Ying imposed what he called the “strictest 24-hour lock-down management,” allowing individuals to leave their homes only in cases of emergency and to buy food and necessary supplies every three days. Any exit from a building requires government approval. Needless to say, commuting to work is not on the list of approved reasons to leave the house.
This photo taken on February 17, 2020 shows a man wearing a protective face mask riding a bicycle in Wuhan in China's central Hubei province. - The toll from China's coronavirus epidemic jumped to 1,868 on February 18 after 98 more people died, according to the National Health Commission. (Photo by STR / AFP) / China OUT (Photo by STR/AFP via Getty Images)
This photo taken on February 17, 2020, shows a man wearing a protective face mask riding a bicycle in Wuhan in China’s central Hubei province. (STR/AFP via Getty Images)
The Morning Post notes that, in total, over 80 cities nationwide have imposed lockdowns.
For Shanghai, Ying’s former city and one of the most important economic centers in the country, this has meant a near-total shutdown of business activity. A poll found this week that nearly 80 percent of companies active in the greater Shanghai area do not have the necessary number of employees present at work to run their companies. In the next month, 41 percent of companies surveyed said a lack of staff was their biggest concern. Shanghai has documented 333 cases of coronavirus and one death.
Subway passengers wear protective facemasks in Shanghai on February 13, 2020. - The number of deaths and new cases from China's COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak spiked dramatically on February 13 after authorities changed the way they count infections in a move that will likely fuel speculation that the severity of the outbreak has been under-reported. (Photo by NOEL CELIS / AFP) (Photo by NOEL CELIS/AFP via Getty Images)
Subway passengers wear protective facemasks in Shanghai on February 13, 2020. (NOEL CELIS / AFP) (Photo by NOEL CELIS/AFP via Getty Images)
A woman wearing a protective facemask offers prayers outside the closed Jade Buddha Temple in Shanghai on February 14, 2020. - The death toll from the COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic neared 1,400 on February 14, as the United States complained of a lack of transparency from Beijing over its handling of a crisis that has fuelled global panic. (Photo by NOEL CELIS / AFP) (Photo by NOEL CELIS/AFP via Getty Images)
A woman wearing a protective facemask offers prayers outside the closed Jade Buddha Temple in Shanghai on February 14, 2020. (NOEL CELIS/AFP via Getty Images)
Shenzhen, the city bordering Hong Kong, has also seen a steep decline in economic activity. Shenzhen’s Guangdong province, largely considered the factory center of the country, has documented 1,328 cases of the virus and four deaths, many more cases than the more centrally located Beijing and Shanghai, though the same number of deaths as the national capital. Shenzhen has been deeply impacted by rural commuter workers choosing not to return to jobs where they may be exposed to the virus. Beijing estimates that as many as two-thirds of those workers are not back in factories nationwide, significantly hindering manufacturing.
A woman walks to the departure hall of Shenzhen Bay Port Hong Kong Port Area on February 8, 2020. - Hong Kong began enforcing a mandatory two-week quarantine for anyone arriving from mainland China, a dramatic escalation of its bid to stop the deadly new coronavirus from spreading. (Photo by Philip FONG / AFP) (Photo by PHILIP FONG/AFP via Getty Images)
A woman walks to the departure hall of Shenzhen Bay Port Hong Kong Port Area on February 8, 2020. (PHILIP FONG/AFP via Getty Images)
In Beijing, the most politically powerful city in the country, largely empty streets suggest a significant disruption in business as usual.
A nearly empty street is seen in Beijing on February 15, 2020. - The death toll from the new coronavirus outbreak jumped past 1,500 in China as France reported the first fatality outside Asia, fuelling global concerns about the epidemic (Photo by NICOLAS ASFOURI / AFP) (Photo by NICOLAS ASFOURI/AFP via Getty Images)
A nearly empty street is seen in Beijing on February 15, 2020. (NICOLAS ASFOURI / AFP via Getty Images)
BEIJING, CHINA - FEBRUARY 15: A security guard walks past a propaganda banner saying Do Not Leave Home Often During Holidays, Wear a Mask When Going Out, Keep a Distance and Do Not Shake Hands When Meeting on February 15, 2020 in Temple of Heaven Park, Beijing, China. (Photo by Andrea Verdelli/Getty Images)
A security guard walks past a propaganda banner saying “Do Not Leave Home Often During Holidays, Wear a Mask When Going Out, Keep a Distance and Do Not Shake Hands When Meeting” on February 15, 2020, in Temple of Heaven Park, Beijing, China. (Andrea Verdelli/Getty Images)
The Communist Party is so concerned about an outbreak in the capital that it is considering the extraordinary move of postponing the “two sessions” – the annual full session of the National People’s Congress (NPC), the country’s rubber-stamp legislature, and of the People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), a celebrity advisory committee – until after the viral outbreak is under control. The “two sessions” typically bring thousands of high-level politicians together from around the country, potentially exposing them all to the outbreak. While the nominal government reason for considering postponement is to ensure these politicians are in their home provinces working on the outbreak, anonymously some in the government have expressed concern that such a large assembly would spread the illness to some of the Party’s most important cadres.
Viral infections among government employees are already a concern, as China has attempted to keep government offices open to show that the outbreak is under control. The Global Times reported on Tuesday that 69 people in one Beijing district office have been quarantined after a public worker tested positive for the virus there. The infected employee had traveled to Hubei province for the Lunar New Year holiday.
BEIJING, CHINA - FEBRUARY 18: Chinese children wear protective masks as they briefly play at a shopping mall on February 18, 2020 in Beijing, China. As a virus outbreak, The number of cases of a deadly new coronavirus rose to more than 70,000 in mainland China, and as of today, 1,870 patients have died. (Photo by Lintao Zhang/Getty Images)
Chinese children wear protective masks as they briefly play at a shopping mall on February 18, 2020, in Beijing, China. (Lintao Zhang/Getty Images)
BEIJING, CHINA - FEBRUARY 16: Chinese men wear protective masks as they run to the escalator in a nearly empty area outside Beijing West Railway Station on February 16, 2020 in Beijing, China. The number of cases of the deadly new coronavirus COVID-19 rose to more than 57000 in mainland China Sunday, in what the World Health Organization (WHO) has declared a global public health emergency. China continued to lock down the city of Wuhan in an effort to contain the spread of the pneumonia-like disease which medicals experts have confirmed can be passed from human to human. In an unprecedented move, Chinese authorities have maintained and in some cases tightened the travel restrictions on the city which is the epicentre of the virus and also in municipalities in other parts of the country affecting tens of millions of people. The number of those who have died from the virus in China climbed to over 1650 on Sunday, mostly in Hubei province, and cases have been reported in other countries including the United States, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea, India, the United Kingdom, Germany, France and several others. The World Health Organization has warned all governments to be on alert and screening has been stepped up at airports around the world. Some countries, including the United States, have put restrictions on Chinese travellers entering and advised their citizens against travel to China. (Photo by Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
Chinese men wear protective masks as they run to the escalator in a nearly empty area outside Beijing West Railway Station on February 16, 2020, in Beijing, China. (Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
BEIJING, CHINA - FEBRUARY 16: A Chinese guard stands in a nearly empty shopping area on February 16, 2020 in Beijing, China. The number of cases of the deadly new coronavirus COVID-19 rose to more than 57000 in mainland China Sunday, in what the World Health Organization (WHO) has declared a global public health emergency. China continued to lock down the city of Wuhan in an effort to contain the spread of the pneumonia-like disease which medicals experts have confirmed can be passed from human to human. In an unprecedented move, Chinese authorities have maintained and in some cases tightened the travel restrictions on the city which is the epicentre of the virus and also in municipalities in other parts of the country affecting tens of millions of people. The number of those who have died from the virus in China climbed to over 1650 on Sunday, mostly in Hubei province, and cases have been reported in other countries including the United States, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea, India, the United Kingdom, Germany, France and several others. The World Health Organization has warned all governments to be on alert and screening has been stepped up at airports around the world. Some countries, including the United States, have put restrictions on Chinese travellers entering and advised their citizens against travel to China. (Photo by Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
A Chinese guard stands in a nearly empty shopping area on February 16, 2020, in Beijing, China. (Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
BEIJING, CHINA - FEBRUARY 16: A Chinese man wears a protective mask as he stands outside a main entrance at Beijing West Railway Station as it is nearly empty on February 16, 2020 in Beijing, China. The number of cases of the deadly new coronavirus COVID-19 rose to more than 57000 in mainland China Sunday, in what the World Health Organization (WHO) has declared a global public health emergency. China continued to lock down the city of Wuhan in an effort to contain the spread of the pneumonia-like disease which medicals experts have confirmed can be passed from human to human. In an unprecedented move, Chinese authorities have maintained and in some cases tightened the travel restrictions on the city which is the epicentre of the virus and also in municipalities in other parts of the country affecting tens of millions of people. The number of those who have died from the virus in China climbed to over 1650 on Sunday, mostly in Hubei province, and cases have been reported in other countries including the United States, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea, India, the United Kingdom, Germany, France and several others. The World Health Organization has warned all governments to be on alert and screening has been stepped up at airports around the world. Some countries, including the United States, have put restrictions on Chinese travellers entering and advised their citizens against travel to China. (Photo by Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
A Chinese man wears a protective mask as he stands outside a main entrance at Beijing West Railway Station as it is nearly empty on February 16, 2020, in Beijing, China. (Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
The Global Times has nonetheless proclaimed that the demise of the Chinese economy is overestimated.
“The losses are huge, of course, and the specific numbers are yet to be counted, but the absolute numbers are certainly staggering,” the Times admitted on Tuesday in an article called “It Is Naive to Expect Chinese Economy to Collapse.”
Yet China’s sheer size means just as much maneuvering capability, and it is one of the most important indicators of strategic economic resilience. Some of the losses in services can be made up for, and a lot of them are lost, but they won’t be an internal wound to the Chinese economy. Over time, subsequent economic developments will allow the wounds to heal.
While China’s economy has suffered, there has been no disruption this time around.
The sectors of the economy that support the daily needs of the Chinese are revving up. With the exception of emergency supplies such as face masks, which cannot be expanded to the level of demand, the supply of other daily necessities has not been reduced.
The newspaper also applauded the economy’s “slow yet steady start” this week on Monday
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
It didn't fail. well kinda but not the way they mean.

A quarantine is to keep the virus away from the general public. It's not to keep those sick safe. But if they are just going to let loose those who have done their 14 days on the ship, it did fail. It's obvious that it will continue to spread if they just get off the boat and disperse across the world. In this case they should have just let them off 2 weeks ago when less were infected.

There's no such thing as less infected... that's right up there with being sorta pregnant. You either are or you're not.
 
Supply Chain Chaos Unfolds At Major Chinese Ports As Frozen Meat Containers Pile Up

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by Tyler Durden

Tue, 02/18/2020 - 12:05

New evidence from Bloomberg reveals cracking global supply chains are fast emerging at major Chinese ports with thousands of containers of frozen meat piling up with nowhere to go.
The Covid19 outbreak will remain a dominant issue for 1Q as supply chain shocks are being felt by multinationals on either side of the hemisphere.
Sources told Bloomberg that containers of frozen pork, chicken, and beef (mostly from South America, Europe, and the US) are piling up at Tianjin, Shanghai, and Ningbo ports because of the lack of truck drivers and many transportation networks remain closed.
Seaports in China are quickly running out of room to house the containers and cannot provide enough electricity points to keep existing containers cold. This has forced many vessels to be rerouted to other destinations.



We've already noted that Bloomberg's Stephen Stapczynski recorded footage of an oil tanker parking lot off the Singapore coast last week as refiners in China cut runs as crude consumption has collapsed by more than 4 million barrels per day.
It's clear that a logistical nightmare is unfolding as two-thirds of the Chinese economy has effectively shut down much of its production capacity, producing a massive "demand shock."

The impact on the global economy is already dragging down world trade and could force the World Trade Organization (WTO) to slash economic growth forecasts for the year.

The Chinese economy constitutes about 20% of global GDP, and supply chain disruptions across China could cause a cascading effect that could tilt the world into recession.

But it's not just frozen meats piling up at Chinese ports or a crude glut developing. There's a high risk that product shortages to Western countries could be 60-90 days out.
Alibaba Group's CEO Daniel Zhang warned last week that the supply chain disruption, or "shock," is a "black swan event" for the global economy.

The "black swan" warning was also repeated by Freeport-McMoRan CEO Richard Adkerson several weeks ago after he said the outbreak of the virus in China is a "real black swan event."

China's economy is at a standstill and could trigger the next economic crisis, not seen since 2008.


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SmithJ

Veteran Member
Yes Trivium Pursuit, I have read about the virus' smoker affinity - which is unfortunate in my case as I smoke - but there has been much less written about any racial affinities. I suspect that this is due both to ignorance on the subject and politically correct constraints. Additionally, I've read (but can't corroborate) than people with A Neg blood are more susceptible. I'm AB Neg, so this may be a concern for me.

Oh, well. We all die some time. I'm not being cavalier about this, but came to terms with my own mortality decades ago. I've survived some incredibly dangerous episodes in my life, so it would be mildly amusing irony if it was a tiny virus that finally took me out. Hopefully if that time comes, I can manage an ironic smile.

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Doc

As Doc Holliday said in Tombstone "This is funny...…."
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There's no such thing as less infected... that's right up there with being sorta pregnant. You either are or you're not.


I think NCGirl was saying that earlier there were likely fewer people infected, rather than later when they've all been breathing the same air and being stuck inside their cabins for an additional 2 weeks...

Unfortunately, we'll never know how many had it at the beginning vs. the end, as we are currently somewhat unsure as to it's incubation period and a lack of testing at the beginning of the quarantine.

But almost certainly, there are more carrying the virus now rather than then.

eta: oops, I see others beat me too it. :/
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
We all die some time. I'm not being cavalier about this, but came to terms with my own mortality decades ago. I've survived some incredibly dangerous episodes in my life, so it would be mildly amusing irony if it was a tiny virus that finally took me out. Hopefully if that time comes, I can manage an ironic smile.

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Doc

I like your attitude about this & I share your sentiments. If this is what gets me I hope I manage to keep that dark sense of humor till the end.
 

Krayola

Veteran Member
Regarding this quote about the Americans being evacuated from Diamond Princess:
Officials said they didn't learn of the positive tests until the flight was about to take off.
My cynical side says the Japanese purposely did this to get them off of their soil. If they had told us earlier, we may have left them there.

If they just let all those people (the rest of the passengers) disembark with no oversight, Tokyo is about to have hell unleashed there.
 

Krayola

Veteran Member
And when enough cases are confirmed in Mexico to make that population panic, and they start rushing the border...

Have you all thought about that?
I've already been saying that on this thread. That is one thing that keeps me up at night. We can do all the right things here but we still have to depend on Mexico to keep it together or we are toast. The libs will fight tooth and nail to keep that border open and flowing.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
And when enough cases are confirmed in Mexico to make that population panic, and they start rushing the border...

Have you all thought about that?


I am not so sure. If things go bad our hospitals will be overwhelmed and jobs will be scarce. They won't have much reason to come here. I think many Mexican's (and Central American's) might head home. Most here save their money and dream of the day they have enough that they can move back home. When you are sick you want to be home. I think more will leave than come.
 

Pinecone

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I am not so sure. If things go bad our hospitals will be overwhelmed and jobs will be scarce. They won't have much reason to come here. I think many Mexican's (and Central American's) might head home. Most here save their money and dream of the day they have enough that they can move back home. When you are sick you want to be home. I think more will leave than come.
Unless they go into California for the free health care. Or any state for that matter, because if you go to the ER you will be treated. Border states, beware.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Supply Chain Chaos Unfolds At Major Chinese Ports As Frozen Meat Containers Pile Up

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by Tyler Durden

Tue, 02/18/2020 - 12:05

New evidence from Bloomberg reveals cracking global supply chains are fast emerging at major Chinese ports with thousands of containers of frozen meat piling up with nowhere to go.
The Covid19 outbreak will remain a dominant issue for 1Q as supply chain shocks are being felt by multinationals on either side of the hemisphere.
Sources told Bloomberg that containers of frozen pork, chicken, and beef (mostly from South America, Europe, and the US) are piling up at Tianjin, Shanghai, and Ningbo ports because of the lack of truck drivers and many transportation networks remain closed.
Seaports in China are quickly running out of room to house the containers and cannot provide enough electricity points to keep existing containers cold. This has forced many vessels to be rerouted to other destinations.



We've already noted that Bloomberg's Stephen Stapczynski recorded footage of an oil tanker parking lot off the Singapore coast last week as refiners in China cut runs as crude consumption has collapsed by more than 4 million barrels per day.
It's clear that a logistical nightmare is unfolding as two-thirds of the Chinese economy has effectively shut down much of its production capacity, producing a massive "demand shock."

The impact on the global economy is already dragging down world trade and could force the World Trade Organization (WTO) to slash economic growth forecasts for the year.

The Chinese economy constitutes about 20% of global GDP, and supply chain disruptions across China could cause a cascading effect that could tilt the world into recession.

But it's not just frozen meats piling up at Chinese ports or a crude glut developing. There's a high risk that product shortages to Western countries could be 60-90 days out.
Alibaba Group's CEO Daniel Zhang warned last week that the supply chain disruption, or "shock," is a "black swan event" for the global economy.

The "black swan" warning was also repeated by Freeport-McMoRan CEO Richard Adkerson several weeks ago after he said the outbreak of the virus in China is a "real black swan event."

China's economy is at a standstill and could trigger the next economic crisis, not seen since 2008.


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They are a bit behind aren't they.....
 

Zagdid

Veteran Member

fair use Updated / Tuesday, 18 Feb 2020 09:59

PORT FACES 'HUGE CANCELLATION OF SHIPS' AS VIRUS SHUTDOWN BITES - Imports from China will plunge to next to nothing from next week, with disruptions potentially lasting for months, Irish shippers say.

To date, mass factory closures in China aimed at containing the deadly coronavirus outbreak have had a limited impact on Irish supply chains. However, that is set to change as orders that should have been filled during the worst of the crisis have not left port. Dublin Port terminal operators say they are bracing for what one called "a huge cancellation of ships", writes the Irish Independent. Doyle Shipping, which offloads containers at Dublin Port, says its shipping schedule looks normal until next week, when the effects of the crisis become stark. "We're going to start to get next to nothing from China for the next six to eight weeks," said Doyle Shipping director Pat Brennan. His firm employs 250 in Dublin, unloading around 1,200 containers a day from 20 ships a week. He said the planning list of inbound ships shows three vessels that usually arrive from Europe's shipping hub at Rotterdam with Asian goods will stop coming next week. That would mean 600 to 700 fewer containers, which normally bear everything from Chinese garlic to electronics.

"It normally takes six weeks to ship a container from China to Ireland," he said. "From next week on and for the next four weeks, there's a huge cancellation of ships." Mr Brennan may redeploy his small Shanghai office to Vietnam to avoid disruption and build new markets.
 

Hfcomms

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Photos: China’s City Streets Empty as Workers Avoid Coronavirus
TOPSHOT - A general view of Shenzhen is seen from a bus travelling on the Shenzhen Bay bridge in Hong Kong on February 8, 2020. - Hong Kong began enforcing a mandatory two-week quarantine for anyone arriving from mainland China, a dramatic escalation of its bid to stop the deadly …
PHILIP FONG/AFP via Getty ImagesFRANCES MARTEL18 Feb 2020215
6:09
“The outbreak will be short-lived, and it will not affect China’s competitiveness,” the state-run Global Times newspaper proclaimed Tuesday.
While China insists its economic output remains strong, photos from its major economic hubs show millions-strong cities completely deserted, bringing the Chinese economy to a screeching halt.
At press time, China has documented 72,439 cases of the newly discovered coronavirus originating in Wuhan, a central Chinese city of 11 million people. Of those identified as confirmed patients, 1,870 have died within China, the overwhelming majority. While most of those cases have been confirmed in Wuhan and the surrounding Hubei province, doctors have confirmed growing numbers of cases in Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen, some of the most important urban centers to China’s economy.
The Wuhan coronavirus reportedly began spreading in Wuhan in mid-December; the Chinese Communist Party informed the public of the outbreak on January 20. Since then, the virus has spread to every province in the country and to places outside of communist rule like Hong Kong and Macau. To help contain the outbreak, Chinese officials have implemented strict lockdowns forcing many people to work from home. Those who cannot do so, like factory workers who need access to materials and machinery, have simply not been able to work.
In central Wuhan, the government has banned residents from leaving their homes. Former Shanghai Mayor Ying Yong – a loyalist to dictator Xi Jinping recently appointed head of the Communist Party in Hubei province, where Wuhan is located – implemented a ban from being out in public throughout Wuhan and several other cities in the province. According to the South China Morning Post, Ying imposed what he called the “strictest 24-hour lock-down management,” allowing individuals to leave their homes only in cases of emergency and to buy food and necessary supplies every three days. Any exit from a building requires government approval. Needless to say, commuting to work is not on the list of approved reasons to leave the house.
This photo taken on February 17, 2020 shows a man wearing a protective face mask riding a bicycle in Wuhan in China's central Hubei province. - The toll from China's coronavirus epidemic jumped to 1,868 on February 18 after 98 more people died, according to the National Health Commission. (Photo by STR / AFP) / China OUT (Photo by STR/AFP via Getty Images)'s central Hubei province. - The toll from China's coronavirus epidemic jumped to 1,868 on February 18 after 98 more people died, according to the National Health Commission. (Photo by STR / AFP) / China OUT (Photo by STR/AFP via Getty Images)
This photo taken on February 17, 2020, shows a man wearing a protective face mask riding a bicycle in Wuhan in China’s central Hubei province. (STR/AFP via Getty Images)
The Morning Post notes that, in total, over 80 cities nationwide have imposed lockdowns.
For Shanghai, Ying’s former city and one of the most important economic centers in the country, this has meant a near-total shutdown of business activity. A poll found this week that nearly 80 percent of companies active in the greater Shanghai area do not have the necessary number of employees present at work to run their companies. In the next month, 41 percent of companies surveyed said a lack of staff was their biggest concern. Shanghai has documented 333 cases of coronavirus and one death.
Subway passengers wear protective facemasks in Shanghai on February 13, 2020. - The number of deaths and new cases from China's COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak spiked dramatically on February 13 after authorities changed the way they count infections in a move that will likely fuel speculation that the severity of the outbreak has been under-reported. (Photo by NOEL CELIS / AFP) (Photo by NOEL CELIS/AFP via Getty Images)'s COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak spiked dramatically on February 13 after authorities changed the way they count infections in a move that will likely fuel speculation that the severity of the outbreak has been under-reported. (Photo by NOEL CELIS / AFP) (Photo by NOEL CELIS/AFP via Getty Images)
Subway passengers wear protective facemasks in Shanghai on February 13, 2020. (NOEL CELIS / AFP) (Photo by NOEL CELIS/AFP via Getty Images)
A woman wearing a protective facemask offers prayers outside the closed Jade Buddha Temple in Shanghai on February 14, 2020. - The death toll from the COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic neared 1,400 on February 14, as the United States complained of a lack of transparency from Beijing over its handling of a crisis that has fuelled global panic. (Photo by NOEL CELIS / AFP) (Photo by NOEL CELIS/AFP via Getty Images)
A woman wearing a protective facemask offers prayers outside the closed Jade Buddha Temple in Shanghai on February 14, 2020. (NOEL CELIS/AFP via Getty Images)
Shenzhen, the city bordering Hong Kong, has also seen a steep decline in economic activity. Shenzhen’s Guangdong province, largely considered the factory center of the country, has documented 1,328 cases of the virus and four deaths, many more cases than the more centrally located Beijing and Shanghai, though the same number of deaths as the national capital. Shenzhen has been deeply impacted by rural commuter workers choosing not to return to jobs where they may be exposed to the virus. Beijing estimates that as many as two-thirds of those workers are not back in factories nationwide, significantly hindering manufacturing.
A woman walks to the departure hall of Shenzhen Bay Port Hong Kong Port Area on February 8, 2020. - Hong Kong began enforcing a mandatory two-week quarantine for anyone arriving from mainland China, a dramatic escalation of its bid to stop the deadly new coronavirus from spreading. (Photo by Philip FONG / AFP) (Photo by PHILIP FONG/AFP via Getty Images)
A woman walks to the departure hall of Shenzhen Bay Port Hong Kong Port Area on February 8, 2020. (PHILIP FONG/AFP via Getty Images)
In Beijing, the most politically powerful city in the country, largely empty streets suggest a significant disruption in business as usual.
A nearly empty street is seen in Beijing on February 15, 2020. - The death toll from the new coronavirus outbreak jumped past 1,500 in China as France reported the first fatality outside Asia, fuelling global concerns about the epidemic (Photo by NICOLAS ASFOURI / AFP) (Photo by NICOLAS ASFOURI/AFP via Getty Images)
A nearly empty street is seen in Beijing on February 15, 2020. (NICOLAS ASFOURI / AFP via Getty Images)
BEIJING, CHINA - FEBRUARY 15: A security guard walks past a propaganda banner saying Do Not Leave Home Often During Holidays, Wear a Mask When Going Out, Keep a Distance and Do Not Shake Hands When Meeting on February 15, 2020 in Temple of Heaven Park, Beijing, China. (Photo by Andrea Verdelli/Getty Images)
A security guard walks past a propaganda banner saying “Do Not Leave Home Often During Holidays, Wear a Mask When Going Out, Keep a Distance and Do Not Shake Hands When Meeting” on February 15, 2020, in Temple of Heaven Park, Beijing, China. (Andrea Verdelli/Getty Images)
The Communist Party is so concerned about an outbreak in the capital that it is considering the extraordinary move of postponing the “two sessions” – the annual full session of the National People’s Congress (NPC), the country’s rubber-stamp legislature, and of the People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), a celebrity advisory committee – until after the viral outbreak is under control. The “two sessions” typically bring thousands of high-level politicians together from around the country, potentially exposing them all to the outbreak. While the nominal government reason for considering postponement is to ensure these politicians are in their home provinces working on the outbreak, anonymously some in the government have expressed concern that such a large assembly would spread the illness to some of the Party’s most important cadres.
Viral infections among government employees are already a concern, as China has attempted to keep government offices open to show that the outbreak is under control. The Global Times reported on Tuesday that 69 people in one Beijing district office have been quarantined after a public worker tested positive for the virus there. The infected employee had traveled to Hubei province for the Lunar New Year holiday.
BEIJING, CHINA - FEBRUARY 18: Chinese children wear protective masks as they briefly play at a shopping mall on February 18, 2020 in Beijing, China. As a virus outbreak, The number of cases of a deadly new coronavirus rose to more than 70,000 in mainland China, and as of today, 1,870 patients have died. (Photo by Lintao Zhang/Getty Images)
Chinese children wear protective masks as they briefly play at a shopping mall on February 18, 2020, in Beijing, China. (Lintao Zhang/Getty Images)
BEIJING, CHINA - FEBRUARY 16: Chinese men wear protective masks as they run to the escalator in a nearly empty area outside Beijing West Railway Station on February 16, 2020 in Beijing, China. The number of cases of the deadly new coronavirus COVID-19 rose to more than 57000 in mainland China Sunday, in what the World Health Organization (WHO) has declared a global public health emergency. China continued to lock down the city of Wuhan in an effort to contain the spread of the pneumonia-like disease which medicals experts have confirmed can be passed from human to human. In an unprecedented move, Chinese authorities have maintained and in some cases tightened the travel restrictions on the city which is the epicentre of the virus and also in municipalities in other parts of the country affecting tens of millions of people. The number of those who have died from the virus in China climbed to over 1650 on Sunday, mostly in Hubei province, and cases have been reported in other countries including the United States, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea, India, the United Kingdom, Germany, France and several others. The World Health Organization has warned all governments to be on alert and screening has been stepped up at airports around the world. Some countries, including the United States, have put restrictions on Chinese travellers entering and advised their citizens against travel to China. (Photo by Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
Chinese men wear protective masks as they run to the escalator in a nearly empty area outside Beijing West Railway Station on February 16, 2020, in Beijing, China. (Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
BEIJING, CHINA - FEBRUARY 16: A Chinese guard stands in a nearly empty shopping area on February 16, 2020 in Beijing, China. The number of cases of the deadly new coronavirus COVID-19 rose to more than 57000 in mainland China Sunday, in what the World Health Organization (WHO) has declared a global public health emergency. China continued to lock down the city of Wuhan in an effort to contain the spread of the pneumonia-like disease which medicals experts have confirmed can be passed from human to human. In an unprecedented move, Chinese authorities have maintained and in some cases tightened the travel restrictions on the city which is the epicentre of the virus and also in municipalities in other parts of the country affecting tens of millions of people. The number of those who have died from the virus in China climbed to over 1650 on Sunday, mostly in Hubei province, and cases have been reported in other countries including the United States, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea, India, the United Kingdom, Germany, France and several others. The World Health Organization has warned all governments to be on alert and screening has been stepped up at airports around the world. Some countries, including the United States, have put restrictions on Chinese travellers entering and advised their citizens against travel to China. (Photo by Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
A Chinese guard stands in a nearly empty shopping area on February 16, 2020, in Beijing, China. (Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
BEIJING, CHINA - FEBRUARY 16: A Chinese man wears a protective mask as he stands outside a main entrance at Beijing West Railway Station as it is nearly empty on February 16, 2020 in Beijing, China. The number of cases of the deadly new coronavirus COVID-19 rose to more than 57000 in mainland China Sunday, in what the World Health Organization (WHO) has declared a global public health emergency. China continued to lock down the city of Wuhan in an effort to contain the spread of the pneumonia-like disease which medicals experts have confirmed can be passed from human to human. In an unprecedented move, Chinese authorities have maintained and in some cases tightened the travel restrictions on the city which is the epicentre of the virus and also in municipalities in other parts of the country affecting tens of millions of people. The number of those who have died from the virus in China climbed to over 1650 on Sunday, mostly in Hubei province, and cases have been reported in other countries including the United States, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea, India, the United Kingdom, Germany, France and several others. The World Health Organization has warned all governments to be on alert and screening has been stepped up at airports around the world. Some countries, including the United States, have put restrictions on Chinese travellers entering and advised their citizens against travel to China. (Photo by Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
A Chinese man wears a protective mask as he stands outside a main entrance at Beijing West Railway Station as it is nearly empty on February 16, 2020, in Beijing, China. (Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
The Global Times has nonetheless proclaimed that the demise of the Chinese economy is overestimated.
“The losses are huge, of course, and the specific numbers are yet to be counted, but the absolute numbers are certainly staggering,” the Times admitted on Tuesday in an article called “It Is Naive to Expect Chinese Economy to Collapse.”

The newspaper also applauded the economy’s “slow yet steady start” this week on Monday


While China insists its economic output remains strong, photos from its major economic hubs show millions-strong cities completely deserted, bringing the Chinese economy to a screeching halt.

Most people in the U.S. are ignorant about the just in time inventory system and how fragile it is. Most people in the U.S. are also ignorant about how many items we depend on are made primarily in China. They are about to get a lesson about how stupid it was to enable companies to go to China to make their goods cheaper and to sell them back inside the U.S. and let the bigwigs pocket the difference.

Trump was right, it's just that he was right too late as President after President just looked the other way as many in the legislative branch did as long as their palms were greased.
 
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