Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Probably a N.D. As he sure knows his herbals.
That's what I was wondering...
Probably a N.D. As he sure knows his herbals.
So how long are we going to wait to cut off all travel to Asia?
EXCERPT QUOTED BECAUSE NEW INFO IS OUT:
Question number two is: Is there sustained human-to-human transmission? What we've seen so far, what the WHO said (Wednesday), is that there is first-generation transmission from patients to close contacts in their households. And there's been some transmission in hospitals that we don't know very much about at the moment. What they said was there has not been third- or fourth-generation spread. A piece of that is it takes time for that to happen.
What does that mean, third- or fourth-generation spread?
You identify a case you think is exposed to the virus at the seafood market. And then they might transmit it to their spouse. Then the question is: Does the spouse transmit it to other people?
If the first person gets it from an animal and a second person can get it if they're in really close contact, but it doesn't go further than that – then it’s not a problem. I mean, it’s a problem figuring out what the original cause is, but it’s not a problem with it spreading around the world because it’s not transmissible enough.
That question of second-, third- or fourth-generation spread is critical, and so far what we're being told is that has not been seen.
Too long, probably.
Article is in Chinese; I ran it through google translate:
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WHO: China has reported fourth-generation cases in Wuhan, yet further evidence confirmed
January 24, 2020, 15:20 Source: Caixin.com
(Special correspondent from Geneva, Switzerland, Li Zengxin, Wu Hongyuran, Zeng Jiafulin)
The WHO made this disclosure in a statement about the new coronavirus emergency committee, which had previously stated that it had not received precise evidence of domestic third-generation transmission and international second-generation transmission. WHO will meet again in ten days or less
At 2 a.m. on January 24, Beijing time, or 7 p.m. on January 23, Central Standard Time, the latest statement released by the World Health Organization (WHO) disclosed that China has reported to it "the fourth generation of cases in Wuhan and Wuhan Other second-generation cases ", but did not elaborate further. The WHO made this disclosure in the " International Health Regulations Emergency Committee Meeting Statement on the New Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Epidemic ".
Caixin contacted the relevant person in charge of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention for details. No reply was available at the time of writing.
Earlier, the agency had stated that it had not obtained precise evidence of domestic third-generation transmission and international second-generation transmission. At 9 pm Central Standard Time on January 22, when the WHO first held a press conference on the Wuhan epidemic, it had stated that "they have now seen family infections caused by close contact, which is not uncommon in respiratory diseases. But it is not yet common. Obtain evidence of continuous transmission to the third or fourth generation. "
At a press conference on the evening of the 22nd, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom pointed out that there is no evidence to prove that the third and fourth generations of the epidemic have now spread. He also noted that the new coronavirus showed stability and showed no difference in any abnormal activity.
The intergenerational transmission of infectious diseases is an important factor defining its severity. The more intergenerational transmission, the more severe the epidemic, and even "super communicators" may appear. According to Caixin's previous report, to prove that the virus has the ability to "continue human to human," at least three generations of human-to-human transmission is required, such as A to B, B to C, and C to D. (See what the two members of the high-level expert group of Caixin Cyber Health Committee revealed recently? )
At present, WHO has confirmed "people to people." Maria Kerkhove, acting director of the WHO's Emerging Diseases Department, said there is now evidence of "human-to-human" evidence of the new coronavirus epidemic. This evidence suggests that “person-to-person” situations can occur in close contact with suspicious cases or in medical settings.
This is in line with Zhong Nanshan, the leader of the high-level expert group of the National Health Committee of China. Zhong Nanshan called for vigilance against the new type of coronavirus being transmitted from person to person in the hospital. According to a report by the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission on January 21, a total of 15 medical workers in Wuhan were diagnosed with pneumonia cases of the new coronavirus infection. In addition, one medical worker was a suspected case. One of these 16 medical workers is critically ill. (See Caixin Zhongnanshan: Be vigilant against "human-to-human" transmission of new coronavirus in hospitals )
Maria Kirkhoff further pointed out that it is too early to describe how the new coronavirus will be transmitted from person to person. The WHO has made a request to China, hoping that China will provide specific data on the control of the epidemic in Wuhan and other parts of China, including which confirmed cases involve human-to-human transmission, under what circumstances have human-to-human transmission occurred, and in families, health institutions and communities Spread.
Maria Kolkhof also emphasized that there is no evidence to prove that the outbreak is transmitted by the third, fourth and even fifth generations, "but we are working very hard to grasp more infections. To better provide protection. "
At the same time, she pointed out, "It is very important that we have not detected the phenomenon of (secondary transmission) in cases exported from China." According to Caixin reporter statistics, as of 24:00 on January 21, 7 cases were confirmed overseas, 1 case was reported from Japan, 4 were from Thailand, 1 was from South Korea, and 1 was from the United States.
She also reminded all countries that had exported or imported cases of the new coronavirus "to be aware of the extent of subsequent transmission and the extent to which second-generation transmission due to intimate contact has reached."
For respiratory diseases, it is not surprising to have the characteristics of "human to human". "SARS and MERS have demonstrated the" human-to-human "situation. Ebola virus has gone through multiple generations of" human-to-human "," said Michael Ryan, the head of the WHO emergency program. To judge the factors that affect the epidemic, more importantly, it is still necessary to trace back to the source of the disease in an appropriate way, identify it or them, and make recommendations to break the chain of infection.
Australian National University professor of medicine Sanjaya Senanayake said: The emergence of fourth-generation transmission cases shows that the virus can be transmitted from person to person more effectively than a week ago.
He told Caixin reporter, "If I was interviewed about a week ago, based on the information I saw, I would say that there is no human-to-human transmission, or that such transmission is restricted. But now the fourth generation The emergence of transmission shows the speed at which the virus is spreading, and we are constantly learning about the behavior of this virus. Perhaps within 48 hours, we will know other things. "
He said that although it currently appears that compared with SARS, the mortality rate of new coronavirus pneumonia is much lower, about 4%; and the people currently killed are often elderly people with other diseases at the same time, not health. Young people.
"But if the new crown virus is more contagious than we thought, when there are many cases, a 4% mortality rate still means a lot of deaths."
But he also said frankly that the outbreak has not happened for a few weeks, "so we don't know much about it."
WHO held its first press conference on the evening of January 22, Central European Time. At the second press conference on the evening of January 23, only the negative “international public health incident” was explained, and the related cases of the “four generations” were not mentioned. The WHO Director General stated at the meeting that "the international conference call on the Wuhan epidemic will be held again in about 10 days or less".
I have noticed that information that I get from the Chinese language papers takes a day or two to reach 'mass consumption' media. If Caixin is reporting 4th generation transmission, you can probably take it to the bank. You'll start seeing this on our MSM in a day or two.
HD
Oops, missed it while I was configuring and cleaning up my post. I agree once the WHO reports it, it's a few days old, then it takes a day or two more for it to reach MSM. I think Caixin is the only paper right now reporting the WHO update, but I didn't google it, could be others are going to pick it up soon.Yeah below the article you quoted i shared the who update...i figure once who confirms and admits to us, were at least days, if not weeks into it being a fact...guess the chinese papers are the same lol. Still TY for posting the info!!
So how long are we going to wait to cut off all travel to Asia?
Oops, missed it while I was configuring and cleaning up my post. I agree once the WHO reports it, it's a few days old, then it takes a day or two more for it to reach MSM. I think Caixin is the only paper right now reporting the WHO update, but I didn't google it, could be others are going to pick it up soon.
HD
Virus built to target certain demographics?leads one to believe that the virus was built to target Asians. Perhaps as a solution to China's problem with sick and old and their healthcare crisis. What a boon it would be for China to reduce the population by 500 million of the weakest members of their society.
Would explain why no one is worried about "risk to NYC residents".
Disposable income would soar. They could them teach everyone to "code"
CHINA | Cases | Deaths | Notes | Links |
Hubei province (including Wuhan) | 549 | 24 | 106 serious/23 critical | Source |
Guangdong province | 53 | 0 | 12 serious, 3 critical | Source |
Zhejiang province | 43 | 0 | 6 serious | Source |
Beijing | 36 | 0 | Source | |
Chongqing | 27 | 0 | 5 serious, 1 critical | Source |
Hunan province | 24 | 0 | 6 serious | Source |
Guangxi Region | 23 | 0 | Source | |
Shanghai | 20 | 0 | 2 critical | Source |
Jiangxi province | 18 | 0 | 4 serious | Source |
Anhui province | 15 | 0 | All stable | Source |
Sichuan province | 15 | 0 | 2 critical | Source |
Shandong province | 15 | 0 | Source | |
Fujian province | 10 | 0 | Source | |
Henan province | 9 | 0 | 1 serious | Source |
Jiangsu province | 9 | 0 | Stable | Source |
Hainan province | 8 | 0 | Stable | Source |
Tianjin | 8 | 0 | 6 serious | Source |
Shaanxi province | 5 | 0 | Source | |
Yunnan province | 5 | 0 | Source | |
Liaoning province | 4 | 0 | 3 serious | Source |
Heilongjiang province | 4 | 1 | Source | |
Guizhou province | 3 | 0 | Stable | Source |
Jilin province | 3 | 0 | Source | |
Xinjiang | 2 | 0 | Stable | Source |
Ningxia Region | 2 | 0 | 1 serious | Source |
Hebei province | 2 | 1 | Source | |
Gansu province | 2 | 0 | Source | |
Shanxi province | 1 | 0 | Stable | Source |
Inner Mongolia | 1 | 0 | Source | |
Hong Kong | 5 | 0 | Source | |
Taiwan | 3 | 0 | Source | |
Macau | 2 | 0 | Source | |
TOTAL | 926 | 26 |
INTERNATIONAL | Cases | Deaths | Notes | Links |
Thailand | 5 | 0 | Source | |
Singapore | 3 | 0 | Stable | Source |
Japan | 2 | 0 | Source | |
South Korea | 2 | 0 | Source | |
United States | 2 | 0 | Source | |
Vietnam | 2 | 0 | Stable | Source |
France | 2 | 0 | Source | |
Nepal | 1 | 0 | Source | |
TOTAL | 19 | 0 |
That is a most disturbing article, HD. What kind of monster virus is this, anyway?Another article from Caixin in Chinese that was run through google translate:
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Wuhan Hospital warns of "atypical" patients with fever and cough non-first symptoms
January 24, 2020, 17:04 Source: Caixin.com
At present, many "atypical" cases have been found in the diagnosis and treatment of new pneumonia in the Department of Gastroenterology, Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine of Wuhan University People's Hospital.
The Research Group of the People's Hospital of Wuhan University released on January 24th "The first symptoms of non-respiratory system-identification and protection of patients with new coronavirus pneumonia (2019-nCOV)", reminding medical staff and the public, Be highly vigilant about the hidden source of infection with non-respiratory symptoms as the first symptom.
The “Notice on Printing and Distributing Pneumonia of the New Coronavirus Infection (Trial Version)” issued by the authority points out that the clinical manifestations of the new coronavirus pneumonia are mainly manifested by fever, fatigue, and dry cough. At present, many "atypical" cases have been found in the diagnosis and treatment of new pneumonia in the multidisciplinary department of Gastroenterology, Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, People's Hospital of Wuhan University.
According to CCTV news, Professor Yu Honggang, director of Department of Gastroenterology, People's Hospital of Wuhan University, introduced an "atypical" case. A 45-year-old man went to the outpatient department of gastroenterology for 3 days due to diarrhea. The doctor repeatedly asked the medical history to confirm that he had a history of exposure to the new coronavirus pneumonia, but no obvious fever and related respiratory symptoms. The visiting doctor considers that he is in the developing stage of the epidemic and has a clear history of contact. Thorough CT with the patient will be performed. The results suggest that multiple sheet-like ground-glass opacities are present in both lungs, and a new coronavirus nucleic acid test of the throat swab was positive, and the final diagnosis was new coronavirus pneumonia.
Professor Chen Guozhong, Director of the Department of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, People's Hospital of Wuhan University, said that in the above clinical cases, the patient did not have typical symptoms of respiratory system such as fever and cough at the time of consultation, and only the first symptoms of digestive system symptoms: such as mild appetite, Fatigue, poor mentality, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, etc .; first manifestations of neurological symptoms: such as headache; first manifestations of cardiovascular system symptoms: such as palpitation, chest tightness, etc .; first manifestations of ophthalmic symptoms: such as conjunctivitis; only Mild sore limbs or lower back muscles.
The results highly warn medical staff and the public that further understanding of the onset symptoms of new coronavirus pneumonia should be strengthened, and identification and protection should be strengthened. Experts remind that the above-mentioned patients with non-respiratory system as the first manifestation are easy to go to relevant departments (such as Gastroenterology, Neurology, Cardiovascular Medicine, etc.), especially in the Department of Gastroenterology. Due to the lack of obvious specific clinical manifestations of these patients, the diagnosis is significantly more difficult, which may easily lead to missed diagnosis or misdiagnosis, and increase the chance of infection.
This result also warns that patients are easily ignored by themselves due to the absence of fever and respiratory symptoms. Because patients are also infectious during the incubation period, the infectivity will increase before and after the onset of the disease, so this type of "atypical" patients will also be very important hidden infection sources, which need to strengthen self-isolation.
The research team specifically reminded that medical staff should inquire about the patient's medical history in more detail, especially the history of contact of suspected or confirmed patients, and the history of fever in the past two weeks. At the same time, for such "atypical" cases, timely blood tests and respiratory pathogenic tests are performed, and chest CT examinations are performed under conditions. At the same time, full communication should be made with patients and their families. If abnormality is suggested, the detection of coronavirus should be further improved. The research team particularly emphasized that chest X-rays of patients are not recommended during the epidemic period, because chest radiographs cannot detect early exudative lesions, which can easily lead to missed diagnosis.
For the public, it is even more important to realize that "early prevention, early detection, early diagnosis, early isolation, and early treatment" are the keys to preventing and treating new coronavirus pneumonia. We must further increase our awareness of protection every day. We must wear masks to avoid going to public places with a lot of people. We especially emphasize reducing family gatherings. Wash hands and face frequently. Pay attention to regular disinfection of mobile phones and public computer keyboards. Learn to properly cough and sneeze. It is strictly forbidden to spit in any way; do not throw away used masks randomly and put them in a garbage bag for sealing. (Finish)
Virus built to target certain demographics?
I wonder if DNA testing places like 23 and Me are helping engineer stuff like that?
As was stated in another thread, it is mutating.That is a most disturbing article, HD. What kind of monster virus is this, anyway?
population of kansas city - 2 million
population of DFW - 7.5 million
imagine shutting down a city of 4 million or 11 million
food, fuel, water, etc
Local Texas Hospitals Taking Precaution Amid Coronavirus Concerns (1:55)
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I'm in Dallas and this is about right.
Too late. The lunar new year is China's biggest travel holiday. Think Christmas, Easter and Thanks Giving travel rolled into one holiday.Medical tourists? Just no. I hadn't thought of that, but of course, it's a big possibility. Thanks for adding to the nightmare, Meadowlark.
It is already too late and there is nothing TPTB are going to do because they know this too.So how long are we going to wait to cut off all travel to Asia?
THIS! My theory too.
Found this at another site. Interesting take.
This virus has the characteristics of a severe respiratory flu IN ADDITION to the characteristics of a severe intestinal flu, all packaged up in a coronavirus. My virology is rusty, and its been decades since I worked in a virology lab, but I never heard of such a thing in nature.
It screams of a genetically engineered recombinant bio-warfare virus that got loose. The story about it jumping from an animal to a human in a food market is just cover for it escaping from the government Wuhan Virology lab which is close by.
This is a severe, highly contagious, mutating debilitating virus which is exactly what you would release on an army or population to incapacitate it.
Its loose in the world now. And like I predicted yesterday, its now gaining a foot hold in India. Only God knows how it will mutate once it starts burning through that population and acquiring malicious DNA. (viral transformation, transduction or conjugation). I'm sure there are folks more current in Virology than I that can expound on this.
Trump needs to shut the borders down before waves of "medical tourists" start hitting.
The guards who were in charge of disposing the dead animals that were tested in the lab sold them to the owner of the seafood restaurant. The owner himself got infected as well."
That left a mark.
"R_0 = 3.8 (95% CI ,3.6-4.0) "Interesting discussion on R.O and it's implications j...
Reflections on Infection Prevention and Control
Novel Coronavirus outbreak, update part 2
marcbonten
Some additonal information, as new data and interpretations are emerging as rapidly as (or even faster than) the virus. In case of an outbreak, one of the most wanted numbers is the R_0, defined as the average number of secondary cases resulting from an infected subject surrounded by susceptibles only, and in the absence of infection control measures. If R_0 is <1, you most probably won’t hear of it, as the disease dies out. If R0>1 there is a chance that an outbreak becomes big, as it will grow as long as there are sufficient susceptible subjects around. The goal of infection control is to bring down an R_0 bigger than 1 to an effective number <1, and keep it there.
As it is a new virus, the whole global population is susceptible. I trust many research groups around the globe are searching internet for epi data to fit their models and to estimate R_0. The first report I saw appeared today and comes from the UK. Published on biomedRXiv, so it did not yet undergo peer review. As it is Friday night, I just quote some statements from the abstract. Data were used until “21 January to estimate key epidemiological measures, and to predict the possible course of the epidemic, as the potential impact of travel restrictions into and from Wuhan.” And their estimate is:
R_0 = 3.8 (95% CI ,3.6-4.0)
If so, indeed the globe is at igh risk for a pandemic. It also indicates “that 72-75% of transmissions must be prevented by control measures for infections to stop increasing.”, i.e. to bring down R_0 to <1.
They also “estimate that only 5.1% (95%CI, 4.8-5.5) of infections in Wuhan are identified, and by 21 January a total of 11,341 people (prediction interval, 9,217-14,245) had been infected in Wuhan since the start of the year.”
Naturally, all predictions are difficult, many uncertainties remain and “findings are critically dependent on the assumptions underpinning our model, and the timing and reporting of confirmed cases, and there is considerable uncertainty associated with the outbreak at this early stage.”
So, what will determine, if this R_0 turns out to be correct, if it can be controlled. A vaccin will do, but will probably be too late. Till then isolation infectious subjects will be key. But whom to isolate? The good news of SARS was that transmission only occurred after onset of symptoms. So immediate isolation at symptom onset probably worked. If the opposite occurs (transmission before symptoms, as in influenza) it might be unstoppable. Eagerly awaiting data on this aspect.
The dramatic measures taken by the Chinese government today and the 1000-bed hospital to build in 10 days, makes me think that we may not know everything yet and, thus, that these estimates might not be that unrealistic. Interesting times.
Novel Coronavirus outbreak, update part 2
Some additonal information, as new data and interpretations are emerging as rapidly as (or even faster than) the virus. In case of an outbreak, one of the most wanted numbers is the R_0, defined a…reflectionsipc.com