CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

jward

jward

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marsh said:
The link is on the bookmarks thread. Really, I don't know what I am spending all day compiling it if you won't look for yourself http://xf.timebomb2000.com/xf/index.php?threads/bookmarks-for-the-2019-novel-corona-virus.568020/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1.full.pdf
ACE2 Expression in Kidney and Testis May Cause Kidney and Testis Damage After 2019-nCoV Infection
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I know folks are sick of threads clogged up with thank yous and prayers and me toos, but I do try to verbalize my appreciation for everyone's time and efforts to educate us. Please never invest so much time or energy that you're left feeling the balance between what you give and receive is skewed! You owe us nothing, it is all a generous gift, and taking care of yourself and your loved ones is the only thing that really matters, and the best, most important gift you can give!
 
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Marthanoir

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OldArcher said:
Leastways, yer aimin' will be better, say, in 2 weeks. An' stay away from smokes an' booze, too...

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L.A.B.

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Seeker22 said:
You couldn't give me a flu shot if you held a loaded .45 to my head. Not going there.
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We did this dance in 2009 when a Chinese woman who was at the helm of WHO was so close to calling a level 6 pandemic. That would equate to forced shots for sure.

Not my woo to speculate. Already (((called))) this on Jan 3rd 2020 in a prediction thread.

Under level 6 protocols your a piece of meat.

The go along get along PC gene may succumb to this flu. The next gene pool may have the right stuff again... Like we use-tah!
 
jward

jward

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Trivium Pursuit said:
This is the document that should be at the top of the President's Daily Intelligence Briefing. Paging Mike111, who do you know who could bump this up the chain?
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who is this Mike 111 and who does he know- ? I personally, despite careful consideration given to Helios' well argued POV, still believe DJT has the best and brightest on this, and has the info he needs. I could be wrong, of course, but...I have never been so confident that the interest of the lil guy would be protected. Guess that's the rub, we're going to have to pay a price for this in blood sweat and many many many tears. No matter what. :: shruggin :: insertin' serenity prayer ::
 
jward

jward

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GammaRat said:
Have a church friend in the ICU for a "communicable disease". This is Springfield, MO, but may not be the coronavirus
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you're not that far from the para educator's that died of the flu's locale, either, are yas? bah. Enough flu out there to not jump to WCS for sure- and yet.. .. ..
 
bsharp

bsharp

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I am still trying to catch up, so sorry if this has been mentioned. Doesn’t China own some of our debt? I don’t know exactly how that works, but if they do own some of the US’s debt, what is the likelihood that they will call it in since their economy is in terrible straights? Sorry I am naive about how that works.
 
L.A.B.

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
joannita said:
My quiver is full, but I do have a question; are birth control pills manufactured in China? Just saying....
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Birth control?

Naw, we’re gonna need good family skills if this goes off the grid.

As in all things in life. Aim small, miss small. Stay focused on preserving the old concept of familiar and family.
 
twobarkingdogs

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bsharp said:
I am still trying to catch up, so sorry if this has been mentioned. Doesn’t China own some of our debt? I don’t know exactly how that works, but if they do own some of the US’s debt, what is the likelihood that they will call it in since their economy is in terrible straights? Sorry I am naive about how that works.
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The chinese can not call in our debt.

When the US government sells treasuries each bond comes with a maturity date. Only on that date does the US government give money to redeem the bond at its face value.
Any cashing out of the bond prior to the maturity date is selling the bond on the secondary market for what ever the market is willing to pay. So if china dumped their bonds they would flood the market and get less then a normal price due to the increased demand

tbd
 
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marsofold

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I'm 66 and I don't get flu shots. But I did get a pneumonia shot last year, and when I got shingles in my right eye socket I got both shingles shots over worrying about losing my eyesight. Don't regard vaccination shots as entirely safe, so I reserve their use for significant threats.
 
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bsharp said:
I am still trying to catch up, so sorry if this has been mentioned. Doesn’t China own some of our debt? I don’t know exactly how that works, but if they do own some of the US’s debt, what is the likelihood that they will call it in since their economy is in terrible straights? Sorry I am naive about how that works.
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You're not the only one who doesn't understand the complexities of the debt.
 
Seeker22

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Heliobas Disciple

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naegling62 said:
As far as #2 goes, CDC has been far too blasé almost to the point of complicit.
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I have to disagree. The CDC is on top of this. If you listen to what they say in press calls or at other public events, they are in 'containment' stage now because they want to get as much prep time as possible to fight this before it's uncontainable. They know exactly what's going on.


jward said:
I personally, despite careful consideration given to Helios' well argued POV, still believe DJT has the best and brightest on this, and has the info he needs.
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After listening to the entire Geraldo interview I was reminded that Pres Trump is the best president this country has had in over 100 years. And I was able to tune in a little better on how he's thinking these days because it was such a casual interview between two friends and he was pretty candid. I have since changed my mind on his April date insistence. I think he DOES know what's going on and he made an educated decision to prolong telling the American people anything that would panic them until the numbers come in in April. He is postponing anything public until he gets the numbers. It's what any business person would do. Like - "Let's wait for next quarters numbers before we alert the stockholders, this could blow over." "but sir, we know this isn't going to blow over" "well it could, and in the meantime we can get ready for what happens if it doesn't". I think that's more along his thinking. And he's right. What benefit would it be to get on TV and tell the American people - hey, we may all die in 6 months. ??? especially if they don't have the numbers to confirm that, and it's just a good guess based on a good guess that China isn't giving us the whole truth. (neither of which is 'firm fact', just a guess based on a guess). I hate to say it but the general public is so dumbed down they only have two real responses - ignore something or panic about something. That's it. We are not a nation of rational, calm, patient people anymore. That horse left the barn in the 60's and in this century the horse went over the cliff never to be seen again.

HD
 
jward

jward

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Seeker22 said:
Ho-wee cwrap!! That is one I haven't read yet. Off to the stacks to grab my copy to make sure somebody just didn't have fun with photoshop.
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ooh. i never thought of that- lemme know. I leave my mistakes visible, but will annotate it ifin i got snookered!
 
Heliobas Disciple

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Tristan said:
Lucky for us they're trying soooo hard to protect us from the NCoV!
Here's some intereting info from Florida:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/health/fl-ne-uf-students-forced-into-coronavirus-tests-20200214-uyeedtlfcfdlpp2qx6zy7zfxo4-story.html#rt=chartbeat-flt
University of Florida to professors: Stop ordering sick students to take coronavirus tests
By Audrey Mostek
Feb 14, 2020 | 1:04 PM

Florida’s flagship university is warning its professors to stop requiring students who may be visibly sick to leave class and be tested for the new coronavirus.

The orders from the University of Florida reflect rising anxieties about the illness on a campus with more than 6,000 international students amid the virus’s rapid global spread — even though there have been no reported cases in Florida.

The university would not identify the professors involved, say exactly how many students had been ordered out of classrooms or specify whether the actions targeted international students. An email to deans and department chairs from the Office of the Provost — obtained by the Fresh Take Florida news service — made clear it was improper to kick out students until they could prove they were free of the virus.

RELATED: Surgeon General says Florida is clear of coronavirus — for now »

“While instructors are encouraged to care for their students and their health, please inform your instructors that they are not to excuse a student from class to confirm they are free of the coronavirus,” wrote Rebecca Holt, the school’s executive assistant to the provost, Joseph Glover."

Annnnnd:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200207/cerabino-sorry-coronavirus-in-florida-is-state-secret

"Florida Department of Health cites patient confidentiality law as reason not to inform public


What’s going on with the coronavirus in Florida?

Sorry, you can’t find out. It’s a secret.

It doesn’t sound like it should be a secret, but according to the Florida Department of Health, it has to be a secret.

“We are bound by a specific statute and can’t release the information,” explained Alberto Moscoso, the communications director for the Florida Department of Health.

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Maybe. Maybe not.

The state gave regular public updates on Zika, a mosquito-borne virus that infected more than 100 Floridians three years ago.

There was no problem with public updates then. But we know precious little about the coronavirus in Florida.

Gov. Ron DeSantis casually dribbled out a little information two weeks ago during a press event at Omni Middle School in Boca Raton, where he was touting an expansion of speech and debate programs in schools.

“Everybody to this date that has been tested has come back negative,” he said.

We don’t know anything about these everybodies or where they lived. Or about the somebody who got tested last week at Memorial Regional Hospital in Hollywood, according to the Sun-Sentinel, but not confirmed by the state.

Why the secrecy? If a virus that began in China two months ago and has already spread to 28 countries, including the United States, don’t the people of Florida have a right to be kept in the loop?

The state law cited is a passage in the Florida Administrative Code that says “all information contained in laboratory reports, notifiable disease or condition case reports and in related epidemiological investigatory notes is confidential.”

But the passage goes on to note three exceptions for releasing otherwise confidential disease or condition case reports to the public.

The exceptions are:

(1) If the state’s health department determines public release of information is warranted “due to the highly infectious nature of the disease.”





(2) If the release of information would be useful to reduce “the potential for further outbreaks.”

(3) If the release helps to identify or locate people in contact with the cases.

If one of those conditions is true, it trumps the patient confidentiality requirement.

In the case of the coronavirus, it wouldn’t be a stretch to argue that there’s more than enough wiggle room in the law for the state health department to be transparent with the public.

Using “patient privacy” as an excuse to tamp down information on a virus well on its way to becoming a pandemic says more about tourism than public safety in Florida.

The lack of openness has become a trend in Florida, as more and more public records become private.

For example, this legislative session, lawmakers are proposing a bill that would keep their home addresses private.





Not disclosing their home addresses is more than an unwarranted personal safety issue. It shields the public from the valuable information of knowing which representatives live outside their own legislative districts.

Another example of codified secrecy run amok is the recently passed Marsy’s Law, a state Constitutional amendment that was sold primarily as a way to inform crime victims about the dates their cases would be heard in court.

It also has a provision that allows crime victims to have their identities kept secret in public records. This provision is now being used by police officers who are involved in situations where they use force in the line of duty.

By claiming that they are crime victims while making an arrest, some officers are using Marsy’s Law to shield their names from being disclosed in use-of-force cases, including ones where they use lethal force.

And to take it even further, the Jacksonville Police Department is using the law to keep secret the addresses where some crimes occur.

So, I guess it shouldn’t be surprising that Florida’s reaction to a viral outbreak is less public information, not more.

It’s all part of the secrecy virus on the loose in Florida."
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Political correctness will kill us all.

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Tom McDowell

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On Feb. 12, Hubei health authorities announced an additional 14,840 cases of the coronavirus. It marks the largest single-day rise since the epidemic began and is almost 10 times the number of added cases from the day before.

Health authorities said the spike was due to the inclusion of “clinically diagnosed cases” in Hubei. Others suspect the true reason is because of a recent change in top leadership in Hubei province and Wuhan city, as these two Xi Jinping appointees seek to avoid taking responsibility for their predecessors’ incompetence and concealment of the epidemic.

To decode these events, Zooming In did a thorough case study of one of China’s most popular media outlet’s coverage of the coronavirus epidemic. We also did a preliminary calculation of the infected population and death toll in Wuhan based on an exclusive investigation by the Epoch Media Group into one of Wuhan’s funeral homes.

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rlm1966

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L.A.B. said:
We did this dance in 2009 when a Chinese woman who was at the helm of WHO was so close to calling a level 6 pandemic. That would equate to forced shots for sure.

Not my woo to speculate. Already (((called))) this on Jan 3rd 2020 in a prediction thread.

Under level 6 protocols your a piece of meat.

The go along get along PC gene may succumb to this flu. The next gene pool may have the right stuff again... Like we use-tah!
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Some may consider me a piece of meat, but as a free thinking piece of meat that is better armed than the average china man I have a say in the matter that actually gets to cast a vote in that matter and the resulting outcome.
 
Texican

Texican

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marsofold said:
I'm 66 and I don't get flu shots. But I did get a pneumonia shot last year, and when I got shingles in my right eye socket I got both shingles shots over worrying about losing my eyesight. Don't regard vaccination shots as entirely safe, so I reserve their use for significant threats.
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Marsofold,

My DW has also had shingles in her right eye and takes medicine and even a shot in the eye when needed to protect her right eye.... She and I have also had the shingles vaccine....

See your optometrist on a regular basis....

Texican....
 
bsharp

bsharp

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twobarkingdogs said:
The chinese can not call in our debt.

When the US government sells treasuries each bond comes with a maturity date. Only on that date does the US government give money to redeem the bond at its face value.
Any cashing out of the bond prior to the maturity date is selling the bond on the secondary market for what ever the market is willing to pay. So if china dumped their bonds they would flood the market and get less then a normal price due to the increased demand

tbd
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Nice explanation! Thank you!
 
Zahra

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rondaben said:
Sorry for the delay in the response!

The use of "convalescent plasma" as a treatment was first used in the 1970s for ebola. They used it this last time as well when the Dr. from Texas that recovered provided plasma for others. I think that this could be of marginal use but it presents other problems as well.

1) the plasma has to be type specific. Type O can only get plasma from type O. Those who are type AB can give to anyone, etc.
2) It is less processed and remaining virus particles or other infectious diseases (hepatitis, HIV, etc) can be transmitted. There will need to be extensive testing on those patients to make sure that it is safe to give.
3) There is no standardized concentration of beneficial antibodies. Patient X may have a higher antibody content than Patient Y so there cannot be any real standardization of how much antibody you get.
4) we have other products that may be effective and safer--IVIG for example.

I do think that this mostly to provide hope. Its not a bad Idea, but I doubt we have enough information to know how effective or safe it would be.
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Thank you for your reply, but I'm still curious about the effectiveness of plasma from patients farther back in the mutational chain than subsequent daughter virii with the changes to the blueprint their replication mistakes would bring about. Wouldn't that indicate that patients from earlier cycles wouldn't necessarily possess antibodies to current patients anyway?
 
Freeholder

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
On masks, definitely everyone’s situation is different. I no longer work outside the home (full-time care-giver for my youngest daughter, and nearly retirement age, anyway). We live in the country, with only one other house within sight. We are just about to the point where we can hole up for at least a couple of months. So I just got us a few masks to wear in case we need to go to town for some reason. We won’t use them unless necessary, and I figure for such light use, if they are allowed to dry thoroughly, they ought to be good for at least one reuse. Not sure I can persuade my daughter to keep a mask on her face, anyway, but we can use Kroger’s Clicklist for grocery shopping. Anyway, we just don’t need as many masks on hand as you guys who have to be out and about every day for work, especially those of you who are working in healthcare settings. So I thought it would be counter-productive for me to stock up on more than we actually needed.

Kathleen
 
Zahra

Zahra

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Trivium Pursuit said:
I have no choice, I have to get it every year if I want to work at a hospital. I can tell you that I asked an RN here recently how effective she thought this year's crapshoot was, in terms of guessing correctly which strain to make the vaccine for.
She said "Somewhat, but there seems to be a second strain now that's not as good against.

I do not love this. However, I am VERY happy that they have chosen to fly them STRAIGHT to San Antonio, rather than to DFW and then bussed or something. Which appeared to be listed as a contingency earlier. Rejoice with me!
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I'll pop a bottle & rejoice with you gladly as long as things stay calm in the greater SA area till after Feb 25th when the house I still own near there is due to close!
 
naegling62

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Heliobas Disciple said:
I have to disagree. The CDC is on top of this. If you listen to what they say in press calls or at other public events, they are in 'containment' stage now because they want to get as much prep time as possible to fight this before it's uncontainable. They know exactly what's going on.




After listening to the entire Geraldo interview I was reminded that Pres Trump is the best president this country has had in over 100 years. And I was able to tune in a little better on how he's thinking these days because it was such a casual interview between two friends and he was pretty candid. I have since changed my mind on his April date insistence. I think he DOES know what's going on and he made an educated decision to prolong telling the American people anything that would panic them until the numbers come in in April. He is postponing anything public until he gets the numbers. It's what any business person would do. Like - "Let's wait for next quarters numbers before we alert the stockholders, this could blow over." "but sir, we know this isn't going to blow over" "well it could, and in the meantime we can get ready for what happens if it doesn't". I think that's more along his thinking. And he's right. What benefit would it be to get on TV and tell the American people - hey, we may all die in 6 months. ??? especially if they don't have the numbers to confirm that, and it's just a good guess based on a good guess that China isn't giving us the whole truth. (neither of which is 'firm fact', just a guess based on a guess). I hate to say it but the general public is so dumbed down they only have two real responses - ignore something or panic about something. That's it. We are not a nation of rational, calm, patient people anymore. That horse left the barn in the 60's and in this century the horse went over the cliff never to be seen again.

HD
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Not to argue but the CDC said specifically they were not going to try to contain but manage the virus. They lost the containment window when they refused to pay attention to the seriousness of the Chinese secondary response. In my opinion it's as if they intentionally let the virus get a foot hold in the Contenital USA. They have mishandled this just as they mishandled the HIV situation. They are inept.

Your opinion is noted and may be the correct one in the long run .
 
Doomer Doug

Doomer Doug

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Okay, the virus situation is totally out of control in China, and has been since the mid November to December 1, time frame. Xi, and I apologize for using the name of a genuine hero like Dr. Li instead of Xi for the war criminal. The Communist Party, using its Xi imposed command and control mechanisms has insured a global pandemic that will eventually result in, if nothing else a massive economic decline/recession/depression, and/or collapse whatever medical issues result from the China Plague Virus. Further, "they" know what is headed their way. A HUGE DOT today was when Bill Gates said he expects 10 million KIZ, ie killed in zone, from this virus. Gee, Bill didn't you plan on 65 million. I suggest you all read the Chinese scholar and his essay about fury and the reaction of the Chinese people when they figure out what Xi and his cronies have done. What I have taken to calling the "Economic Pandemic," is a done deal and will have devastating results globally, and especially in China and for junior emperor in training Xi baby. We are now the gust front phase of the inbound storm. The gust front is the first, detectable, gust of wind and rain, nothing to intense, and nothing that will do much damage, until the MAIN STORM HITS. My gut feeling is the direct, immediate and totally devastating impact will be starting around the 22nd or so, and then in sequence, February 29th, March 7th, and then each week after that.

Trump at least could have done the usual "buy enough stuff for 72 hours or one week," but he didn't do that. And gang, after this is all done, and the bodies are stacked, the Sheeple are going to turn, in nation after nation, and unleash such a savage retribution upon the elite. The elite has now made the fatal judgment that they will always continue to control the system. They will lose control, first since the military and police rank and file will kill off the elite and take their place, and second the 2nd amendment will define things here in CONUS.

Get ready. My view is the economic and political impact of this "medical event," may be more severe than the elite think.
 
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Profit of Doom

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Intestinal Fortitude said:
Was thinking about HAWAII:

Eight islands in the middle of the Pacific Ocean
Each could be infected
Each could be blockaded and quarantined
Each could be observed as separate experimental units

Everything Hawaiian residents need has to be shipped there.
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Seal them off completely, seal off every family unit for several months, we may need clean breeding stock to repopulate the earth.
 
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