ADMIN So 'splain to me again on the POL moves......???

[timbo]

I post a thread on the Dem party as a whole and it gets moved to POL.
Within about 15 minutes of posting it.

There is a thread on Main about how the two are doing in the polls and it stays.
And has stayed for some time.

First, could someone go over the new policy here and tell me what goes and what stays? Just so I won't post it on Main.

And this would have been a PM but I guess the policy has changed on which staff moved what thread.

 

[buff]

we can no longer discuss this very important election on the main..

we can only discuss cartoons, group buys, blueberries, canning, gays, rock paper scissors, prayer requests, cheap laptops or ron paul...

get with the program timbo.

 

[timbo]

My bad Buff, my bad.

I'll see if I can find something like the subjects you mentioned and post them.

I think where I failed the 'POL' philosophy is just that......I thought.

 

[Deena in GA]

I was the one who moved it, Timbo. While I agree with the premise of your thread, I must treat everyone the same. What we were told was that only "real" news of the candidates and/or the election would be posted on main. Polls were specifically said to be real news as they tell us how the populace is currently thinking.

I understand Buff's viewpoint and agree to an extent. Personally I will move any political thread if it's not real news, and that includes Ron Paul ones.

 

[timbo]

Thanks for replying Geena, I appreciate it.

Like I said if I thought that my thread was POL I would have just put it there.

IMO, that was a thread that had to do with the direction of the whole Dem party, not just the election.

Pelosi's antics and how the Dems have screwed up their whole momentum was the thrust of the article.

Yes Obama's idiocy was mentioned as well, but again, I saw the article as speaking to the Dem party and their terrible failure to lead, even when they had the advantages.

 

[Deena in GA]

I understand and hope people follow the redirect to read the article. And, I went back to the staff lounge and reread the policy and my wording above is kind of wrong. The post there said all non-news political threads would be moved to ATP.

 

[expose']

Aw Jeeze!
Now mods are going to have to "divine" what they consider newsworthy political threads? Then it will just boil down to each of the mods individual political preferences as far as what gets moved...

I see this thread moving going in a bad direction already.... Kind of in between censorship and political discrimination...


Back to the chalk board mods.....

 

[Martin]

Hmm...

It would be nice to know what a non-news political thread consists of.

 

[gelatinous]

Frankly this about the most boring night on TB2K in weeks. IMHO this was a poor decision, but obviously some squeaky wheels got the grease they were needing.

Could we at least get the POL section posted in the Sub-Forum section on main until the elections are over with? That would provide a quick way to jump instead of wading through all the selections in the forum jump at the bottom of main's page.

 

[Green Co.]

Could we at least get the POL section posted in the Sub-Forum section on main until the elections are over with? That would provide a quick way to jump instead of wading through all the selections in the forum jump at the bottom of main's page.

Use this url as your TB2K main page, then when you're thru with a forum, simply back-button & go to your next poison.

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/index.php

Makes the forum names large enough to read easily, plus you can see the last thread posted to.

Hmm...

It would be nice to know what a non-news political thread consists of.

What I'll be moving in particular, is if your post is from a blog, or is an op-ed piece from any news source, goes to Election 2008.

Hard news that I look for, current polls (shows candidates standings), current items on the candidates that do not pertain to the election or party.

Yup, all interpretive.. that's why the pay is soooo good.

 

[Dornroeschen]

I post a thread on the Dem party as a whole and it gets moved to POL.
Within about 15 minutes of posting it.

There is a thread on Main about how the two are doing in the polls and it stays.
And has stayed for some time.

First, could someone go over the new policy here and tell me what goes and what stays? Just so I won't post it on Main.

And this would have been a PM but I guess the policy has changed on which staff moved what thread.

Simply don't post 'Dem party' on main.
Robin & Martin need the space.
Dornroeschen

 

[Emcomus]

Again,

It would be nice if non-members could directly jump to this sub forum by clicking on the link.

Thanks.

 

[Dornroeschen]

Again,

It would be nice if non-members could directly jump to this sub forum by clicking on the link.

Thanks.

No. Why?
Dornroeschen

 

[Emcomus]

It's unamerican not to allow the public to veiw blog's on a public issue. BS is different and always should be, if you want to see the BS, then subscribe.

POL esp. during a presidential election should be open for at least the final 8-9 weeks. The main stream media is NOT reporting ALL the facts correctly, and many people turn to this and other blogs for the FULL STORY.

Like it or not, blogs, like TB2 have become a second source of news. It would have been different IF this election was already being covered by the mainstream in a balanced and fair way, but seeing that this is obviously not the case, we have a sense of moral obligation to the public.

 

[Dornroeschen]

It's unamerican not to allow the public to veiw blog's on a public issue. BS is different and always should be, if you want to see the BS, then subscribe.

POL esp. during a presidential election should be open for at least the final 8-9 weeks. The main stream media is NOT reporting ALL the facts correctly, and many people turn to this and other blogs for the FULL STORY.

Like it or not, blogs, like TB2 have become a second source of news.

Thank you for your BS for FREE!

Now that's AMERICAN!


Dornroeschen

P.S. 'Second source of news' ... Really?

 

[Green Co.]

Emcomus, TB2K is not a blog site, it is a forum.

Great differences.

Anyone wanting to see the members only areas can apply for membership. NOT posting everything in a public place grows the forum by curiousity.

My 2¢ worth.

 

[Emcomus]

Dornroeschen

P.S. 'Second source of news' ... Really?

Gloat all you want. Really! And if you wish, I don't have the time now, but I could give you a list of "news" articles that verifies my claims.

 

[Emcomus]

Emcomus, TB2K is not a blog site, it is a forum.

Great differences.

Anyone wanting to see the members only areas can apply for membership. NOT posting everything in a public place grows the forum by curiousity.

My 2¢ worth.

Yes I agree we all want the membership to grow. The best way to grow is by word of mouth, that's why company's give away free samples of a product to peek a consumers interest.

Looking at the recent increase in volume since the beginning of these elections, ok, really since the last past couple months, it's been pretty high for a summer. Usually things seem to pick up in the fall and winter when people are indoors.

My point, let them into a part, get them interested, word spreads, hits turn into memberships.

Just my 2 shillings.

Want to help out geltanious or anyone?

 

[Dornroeschen]

Gloat all you want. Really! And if you wish, I don't have the time now, but I could give you a list of "news" articles that verifies my claims.

Please, don't. I don't need them. I have them all!
But to pay for your BS in the BS?
You must be kidding!
Dornroeschen
P.S. You're in a hurry. Any nukes?

 

[Emcomus]

Ya know, I'm not going to get into with you here and now, this is NOT the proper thread...but I do see you have become an overnite terror anaylst in the BS, good for you, hope your threads do well.

 

[expose']

It's only September!

Damn! This is going to be a wild election!

 

[BigBadBossyDog]

Aw Jeeze!
Now mods are going to have to "divine" what they consider newsworthy political threads? Then it will just boil down to each of the mods individual political preferences as far as what gets moved...

I see this thread moving going in a bad direction already.... Kind of in between censorship and political discrimination...


Back to the chalk board mods.....

Sounds a lot like the MSM, doesn't it!

Just sayin'.....

 

[Dornroeschen]

Ya know, I'm not going to get into with you here and now, this is NOT the proper thread...but I do see you have become an overnite terror anaylst in the BS, good for you, hope your threads do well.

Mmmmhhhh..... I did not start one thread in the BS.
You don't seem to spend much time on this board, do you?
YOU started quite a lot threads in the BS and they all became BS in the BS.
Thank you, world's best terror analyst, Emcomus.
Dornroeschen

 

[Dornroeschen]

Ya know, I'm not going to get into with you here and now, this is NOT the proper thread...but I do see you have become an overnite terror anaylst in the BS, good for you, hope your threads do well.

'Got a feeling' ...
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=296367
Your latest masterpiece in the BS.
Pay for it? No way!
Thank you, for your feelings, Emcomus.

 

[Dornroeschen]

Simply don't post 'Dem party' on main.
Robin & Martin need the space.
Dornroeschen

There are things that are way more important....

Dornroeschen

 

[Turnpike Jim]

STUNNING: McCain leads by 10%

Now why would this be moved. THAT IS NEWS!!!

Morons.

Jim

Thats right, it doesn't follow the agenda of the day.

Just in case you want to punish me;

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source -
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–noun 1. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.

 

[Emcomus]

Jim,

I sure hope this board doesn't become PC, that's all we'll need.

Look how the matthews thread got moved, and that was right from a main media source.

 

[Hfcomms]

I've never understood why the big yank as to where a thread is started anyway. Ought to do a poll on it but I'll bet that most of us start with... http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/search.php?do=getnew as a login page anyway. No matter what is posted or where I see all the threads. Besides, I think we need to get over our own aggravated sense of self importance anyway. No thread that I, or any of you start is so cottin pickin important that the world is going to come to an end if the thread isn't on main for all the world to see.

 

[dstraito]

personally.....

I am glad that POL threads are being consolidated. I'm already getting tired of dealing with the many different aspects of the 2008 election. Really, the people that eat this stuff up can go into that area and spend all day their and combat each other to their hearts delight.

Personally, I think many people in America are delusional for thinking they are contributing to the American way of life by voting AGAINST someone instead of FOR someone. Even when the two choices are not optimal, the vote should be FOR the candidate that best matches up with your own stance on the issues.

I don't want to keep clicking on threads in Main simply to find out someone is trying to support one or another candidate by cutting and pasting the lastest Internet political propaganda. There is an unlimited supply of propaganda points for and against the two major candidates. There is almost NO Chance of changing anyones mind so it just serves to get blood pressures up and solicit a rebutal.

JMHO

 

[almost ready]

If we hide the pol stuff, the MSM win

It's unamerican not to allow the public to veiw blog's on a public issue. BS is different and always should be, if you want to see the BS, then subscribe.

POL esp. during a presidential election should be open for at least the final 8-9 weeks. The main stream media is NOT reporting ALL the facts correctly, and many people turn to this and other blogs for the FULL STORY.

Like it or not, blogs, like TB2 have become a second source of news. It would have been different IF this election was already being covered by the mainstream in a balanced and fair way, but seeing that this is obviously not the case, we have a sense of moral obligation to the public.

Brzezinski et al have waaaay too much control over what we see already.

Is the POL page closed to all but subscribers?

 

[PeekyBooBoo]

we can no longer discuss this very important election on the main..

we can only discuss cartoons, group buys, blueberries, canning, gays, rock paper scissors, prayer requests, cheap laptops or ron paul...

get with the program timbo.

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

[Emcomus]

Brzezinski et al have waaaay too much control over what we see already.

Is the POL page closed to all but subscribers?

YES.

 

[Hfcomms]

If we hide the pol stuff, the MSM win

I doubt very much that the main stream media is winning simply because of an internet forum consolidating the political postings. The way I look at it the members win. A lot of us know bread and circuses when we look at it so as has previously been said those who want to wallow in the mud have a place to do it to their hearts content without everyone else having to wade through myriads of postings about Palin, McCain, Bama and the Biden man. Heck, everytime a political ad comes on the tube I hit the mute on the remote anyway. Just two different faces to the same coin.

 

[almost ready]

Why is the POL page locked to all but subscribers?

Nothing shows up there that is a security matter.

Why on earth would TB2K concede the public conversation on the election to the MSM? It's not like they're giving us anything but completely slanted BS, bought and paid for by a few oligarchs who don't have our best interest in mind.

Where else can we try to sort through the pigpile of dung and try to find the occasional bit of enlightenment? If there's another site, I'll go and read.

 

[Dennis Olson]

I don't recall why ATP is closed to the public (or even IF it's actually closed to them; I just don't recall). There was discussion about leaving ATP open to the public at the time it was created. Perhaps others on the staff can fill me in on what the logic was behind closing it.

As to moving threads to ATP; last night I moved over 700 threads encompassing over 7,000 replies (!) from Main to ATP. That was going back 45 days, and ONLY selecting the POL prefix. I do seem to recall that a big reason for creating a dedicated room was so that political junkies would have all their info in one place, and it'd be "undiluted" by other topics. That was in addition to the benefit of cleaning up Main. We did the same thing last election cycle as the elections neared, and if TB is still around (and the country too, for that matter) in 2012 we'll NO DOUBT do it again.

 

[almost ready]

Thanks, Dennis, for the quick reply

It would be great if the POL were open to the public and easy to reach. There is too much POL news/chatter cluttering up the main page, and it is good to have it together. Hopefully we'll put them there and give your admins a break.

 

[ladybug55]

This is the most interesting election that I have seen in my lifetime and 95% of the discussion of it has been removed from the main page. What constitutes newsworthy topics that are deemed allowable on the main page? This is a shortsighted decision and a poor one IMHO. I can't believe that the watershed election of this year is considered of secondary importance to almost all the topics on the main board right now.

 

[pixmo]

I do seem to recall that a big reason for creating a dedicated room was so that political junkies would have all their info in one place, and it'd be "undiluted" by other topics. That was in addition to the benefit of cleaning up Main.

That was my understanding as well.

I don't recall why ATP is closed to the public (or even IF it's actually closed to them; I just don't recall). There was discussion about leaving ATP open to the public at the time it was created. Perhaps others on the staff can fill me in on what the logic was behind closing it.

Things got so bonkers in 2004 that we were covering several issues at that time. Basically, the rhetoric and language got nasty/quite heated, but good points were made from time to time whilst the pi**ing contests ensued amongst the resident partisans. However, deleting posts or cleaning things up changed the flow of the thread altogether in many cases...we couldn't keep up with the volume towards the end.

 

[RobinYyes]

I think that with the amount of information coming in, at the rate of speed that it changes, that election related threads are news AS WELL as POL and should stay on the main for a period of perhaps 24 hours (general news cycle) before being moved to POL area.

This is a big election no matter who you are for (obama, McCain or Paul) and as such while things are heated, they are also very fluid.
For example:

• Ron Paul- He will be releasing some big statement this week that no one wants to miss, and many want to talk about- They tend to want to do that on the main.
  
• McCain/Palin- With all the slurs and debunking that goes on, again many want to discuss that, and tend to start it on the main.
  
• Obama- Any change in his statements and appearances also tend to be brought up on the main.

Moving this stuff over immediately just because its political (and not in a consistent way) is problematic. Some get moved right away, some seemingly cold threads stay for a few days and get bumped from time to time. Additionaly, moving everything over also creates problems especially if it is breaking news (as in Ron Pauls upcoming announcement). Why not set a 24 hour time from the OP post and then move it? If it is still breaking then another thread can be started; at least that could be a consistent way of dealing with all this for the duration of the election cycle.

As to why Dornroeschen is having fits, who can say? He/she just seems bugged that any threads are on the main for some reason. A nice hot cuppa tea with a bit of sugar could help with that though.

 

[Dennis Olson]

My opinions on movable (or not) threads:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showpost.php?p=3000366&postcount=9