POL The Rage Is Not About Health Care

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The NYT's liberal (duh) Frank Rich on the rage of the right wing.
Don't say you weren't warned.

FJ

The Rage Is Not About Health Care



By FRANK RICH
Published: March 27, 2010

THERE were times when last Sunday’s great G.O.P. health care implosion threatened to bring the thrill back to reality television. On ABC’s “This Week,” a frothing and filibustering Karl Rove all but lost it in a debate with the Obama strategist David Plouffe. A few hours later, the perennially copper-faced Republican leader John Boehner revved up his “Hell no, you can’t!” incantation in the House chamber — instant fodder for a new viral video remixing his rap with will.i.am’s “Yes, we can!” classic from the campaign. Boehner, having previously likened the health care bill to Armageddon, was now so apoplectic you had to wonder if he had just discovered one of its more obscure revenue-generating provisions, a tax on indoor tanning salons.

But the laughs evaporated soon enough. There’s nothing entertaining about watching goons hurl venomous slurs at congressmen like the civil rights hero John Lewis and the openly gay Barney Frank. And as the week dragged on, and reports of death threats and vandalism stretched from Arizona to Kansas to upstate New York, the F.B.I. and the local police had to get into the act to protect members of Congress and their families.

How curious that a mob fond of likening President Obama to Hitler knows so little about history that it doesn’t recognize its own small-scale mimicry of Kristallnacht. The weapon of choice for vigilante violence at Congressional offices has been a brick hurled through a window. So far.[emphasis added]

No less curious is how disproportionate this red-hot anger is to its proximate cause. The historic Obama-Pelosi health care victory is a big deal, all right, so much so it doesn’t need Joe Biden’s adjective to hype it. But the bill does not erect a huge New Deal-Great Society-style government program. In lieu of a public option, it delivers 32 million newly insured Americans to private insurers. As no less a conservative authority than The Wall Street Journal editorial page observed last week, the bill’s prototype is the health care legislation Mitt Romney signed into law in Massachusetts. It contains what used to be considered Republican ideas.

Yet it’s this bill that inspired G.O.P. congressmen on the House floor to egg on disruptive protesters even as they were being evicted from the gallery by the Capitol Police last Sunday. It’s this bill that prompted a congressman to shout “baby killer” at Bart Stupak, a staunch anti-abortion Democrat. It’s this bill that drove a demonstrator to spit on Emanuel Cleaver, a black representative from Missouri. And it’s this “middle-of-the-road” bill, as Obama accurately calls it, that has incited an unglued firestorm of homicidal rhetoric, from “Kill the bill!” to Sarah Palin’s cry for her followers to “reload.” At least four of the House members hit with death threats or vandalism are among the 20 political targets Palin marks with rifle crosshairs on a map on her Facebook page.

When Social Security was passed by Congress in 1935 and Medicare in 1965, there was indeed heated opposition. As Dana Milbank wrote in The Washington Post, Alf Landon built his catastrophic 1936 presidential campaign on a call for repealing Social Security. (Democrats can only pray that the G.O.P. will “go for it” again in 2010, as Obama goaded them on Thursday, and keep demanding repeal of a bill that by September will shower benefits on the elderly and children alike.) When L.B.J. scored his Medicare coup, there were the inevitable cries of “socialism” along with ultimately empty rumblings of a boycott from the American Medical Association.

But there was nothing like this. To find a prototype for the overheated reaction to the health care bill, you have to look a year before Medicare, to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Both laws passed by similar majorities in Congress; the Civil Rights Act received even more votes in the Senate (73) than Medicare (70). But it was only the civil rights bill that made some Americans run off the rails. That’s because it was the one that signaled an inexorable and immutable change in the very identity of America, not just its governance.

The apocalyptic predictions then, like those about health care now, were all framed in constitutional pieties, of course. Barry Goldwater, running for president in ’64, drew on the counsel of two young legal allies, William Rehnquist and Robert Bork, to characterize the bill as a “threat to the very essence of our basic system” and a “usurpation” of states’ rights that “would force you to admit drunks, a known murderer or an insane person into your place of business.” Richard Russell, the segregationist Democratic senator from Georgia, said the bill “would destroy the free enterprise system.” David Lawrence, a widely syndicated conservative columnist, bemoaned the establishment of “a federal dictatorship.” Meanwhile, three civil rights workers were murdered in Philadelphia, Miss.

That a tsunami of anger is gathering today is illogical, given that what the right calls “Obamacare” is less provocative than either the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or Medicare, an epic entitlement that actually did precipitate a government takeover of a sizable chunk of American health care. But the explanation is plain: the health care bill is not the main source of this anger and never has been. It’s merely a handy excuse. The real source of the over-the-top rage of 2010 is the same kind of national existential reordering that roiled America in 1964.

In fact, the current surge of anger — and the accompanying rise in right-wing extremism — predates the entire health care debate. The first signs were the shrieks of “traitor” and “off with his head” at Palin rallies as Obama’s election became more likely in October 2008. Those passions have spiraled ever since — from Gov. Rick Perry’s kowtowing to secessionists at a Tea Party rally in Texas to the gratuitous brandishing of assault weapons at Obama health care rallies last summer to “You lie!” piercing the president’s address to Congress last fall like an ominous shot.

If Obama’s first legislative priority had been immigration or financial reform or climate change, we would have seen the same trajectory. The conjunction of a black president and a female speaker of the House — topped off by a wise Latina on the Supreme Court and a powerful gay Congressional committee chairman — would sow fears of disenfranchisement among a dwindling and threatened minority in the country no matter what policies were in play. It’s not happenstance that Frank, Lewis and Cleaver — none of them major Democratic players in the health care push — received a major share of last weekend’s abuse. When you hear demonstrators chant the slogan “Take our country back!,” these are the people they want to take the country back from.

They can’t. Demographics are avatars of a change bigger than any bill contemplated by Obama or Congress. The week before the health care vote, The Times reported that births to Asian, black and Hispanic women accounted for 48 percent of all births in America in the 12 months ending in July 2008. By 2012, the next presidential election year, non-Hispanic white births will be in the minority. The Tea Party movement is virtually all white. The Republicans haven’t had a single African-American in the Senate or the House since 2003 and have had only three in total since 1935. Their anxieties about a rapidly changing America are well-grounded.

If Congressional Republicans want to maintain a politburo-like homogeneity in opposition to the Democrats, that’s their right. If they want to replay the petulant Gingrich government shutdown of 1995 by boycotting hearings and, as John McCain has vowed, refusing to cooperate on any legislation, that’s their right too (and a political gift to the Democrats). But they can’t emulate the 1995 G.O.P. by remaining silent as mass hysteria, some of it encompassing armed militias, runs amok in their own precincts. We know the end of that story. And they can’t pretend that we’re talking about “isolated incidents” or a “fringe” utterly divorced from the G.O.P. A Quinnipiac poll last week found that 74 percent of Tea Party members identify themselves as Republicans or Republican-leaning independents, while only 16 percent are aligned with Democrats.

After the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, some responsible leaders in both parties spoke out to try to put a lid on the resistance and violence. The arch-segregationist Russell of Georgia, concerned about what might happen in his own backyard, declared flatly that the law is “now on the books.” Yet no Republican or conservative leader of stature has taken on Palin, Perry, Boehner or any of the others who have been stoking these fires for a good 17 months now. Last week McCain even endorsed Palin’s “reload” rhetoric.

Are these politicians so frightened of offending anyone in the Tea Party-Glenn Beck base that they would rather fall silent than call out its extremist elements and their enablers? Seemingly so, and if G.O.P. leaders of all stripes, from Romney to Mitch McConnell to Olympia Snowe to Lindsey Graham, are afraid of these forces, that’s the strongest possible indicator that the rest of us have reason to fear them too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/opinion/28rich.html?hp
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Whose Country Is It?

By CHARLES M. BLOW
Published: March 26, 2010
The far-right extremists have gone into conniptions.

The bullying, threats, and acts of violence following the passage of health care reform have been shocking, but they’re only the most recent manifestations of an increasing sense of desperation.

It’s an extension of a now-familiar theme: some version of “take our country back.” The problem is that the country romanticized by the far right hasn’t existed for some time, and its ability to deny that fact grows more dim every day. President Obama and what he represents has jolted extremists into the present and forced them to confront the future. And it scares them.

Even the optics must be irritating. A woman (Nancy Pelosi) pushed the health care bill through the House. The bill’s most visible and vocal proponents included a gay man (Barney Frank) and a Jew (Anthony Weiner). And the black man in the White House signed the bill into law. It’s enough to make a good old boy go crazy.

Hence their anger and frustration, which is playing out in ways large and small. There is the current spattering of threats and violence, but there also is the run on guns and the explosive growth of nefarious antigovernment and anti-immigrant groups. In fact, according to a report entitled “Rage on the Right: The Year in Hate and Extremism” recently released by the Southern Poverty Law Center, “nativist extremist” groups that confront and harass suspected immigrants have increased nearly 80 percent since President Obama took office, and antigovernment “patriot” groups more than tripled over that period.

Politically, this frustration is epitomized by the Tea Party movement. It may have some legitimate concerns (taxation, the role of government, etc.), but its message is lost in the madness. And now the anemic Republican establishment, covetous of the Tea Party’s passion, is moving to absorb it, not admonish it. Instead of jettisoning the radical language, rabid bigotry and rising violence, the Republicans justify it. (They don’t want to refute it as much as funnel it.)

There may be a short-term benefit in this strategy, but it’s a long-term loser.

A Quinnipiac University poll released on Wednesday took a look at the Tea Party members and found them to be just as anachronistic to the direction of the country’s demographics as the Republican Party. For instance, they were disproportionately white, evangelical Christian and “less educated ... than the average Joe and Jane Six-Pack.” This at a time when the country is becoming more diverse (some demographers believe that 2010 could be the first year that most children born in the country will be nonwhite), less doctrinally dogmatic, and college enrollment is through the roof. The Tea Party, my friends, is not the future.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/27/opinion/27blow.html?src=me&ref=opinion
 

Ender

Inactive
Riiiight....

When you can't put up a logical argument for stealing money and taking freedoms then you pull the race card.

This guy is a MSM shill.
 

gelatinous

Eyes WIDE Open
Well I'm glad to see that the libs recognize the "RAGE". Not it's not entirely about health care, that was just the icing on the cake.

It's about the massive growth in government over the past year and the corresponding expenses. Of course if you owned a printing press it's easy to not be concerned. And the article tries to minimize the anger by saying "It may have some legitimate concerns (taxation, the role of government, etc.)".

Did you know it's no longer cool to have an obama 08 sticker on your car? The parties over. Effigies of obama are being made by the extreme far left and even they are pissed.
 

cleobc

Veteran Member
Ridiculous to compare Kristallnacht with a brick through a window, or even several bricks. There must be 10s of millions of very angry citizens and only a couple of bricks?
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Obama's star is rising.

Did you know it's no longer cool to have an obama 08 sticker on your car? The parties over. Effigies of obama are being made by the extreme far left and even they are pissed.

You wouldn't know that from the ones all over the place around here.

I see why the left wing of the Democratic party is pissed at Obama. They thought they had elected a leftist and are pissed at having elected such a mainstream guy. They are pissed at Obama for the opposite reason that the right wing is pissed. That Obama has achieved this historic health care compromise that is based on so many features of GOP-favored plans (Mitt Romney's Mass. HC in particular) in not making him (Obama) look like a hero. As a possible GOP candidate, poor Romney is now effectively de-fanged.

On the other hand, the centrists are quite pleased about the HC plan, as moderate as it is, they don't mind too much that it's just a platform for more substantive reform in the future. They're pleased that Obama is on a roll with HC reform (attempted first during Theodore Roosevelt's administration). Medicare was widely denounced by conservatives (including Ronald Reagan) but you don't see many calls for it's repeal today, do you? Many democratic leftists regret that Obama did not seek to support Medicare by allowing people to buy into the Medicare system. Medicare could have used the infusion of cash from a relatively healthy cohort of younger Americans to insure solvency and those covered could have benefitted from the low-overhead government program. Even the tea-partiers snarl when there's a suggestion that their socialized health insurance could be threatened.

I personally would have preferred a single-payer approach for a very basic HC system with add-ons for more extensive coverage like Medicare or the French system, supported by taxes that not even illegal aliens could afford. That would be the end of your hospital having to bill you for some illegal alien jerk that showed up with some condition and no cash.... It's still something that I can look forward to seeing in my lifetime.

At least people are no longer job-locked; unable to change jobs, even for one with higher pay because their pre-existing condition made them unemployable for any and all prospective employers.

FJ
 

buff

Deceased
I transport cars sometimes...pick em up one place and take them to another...

I was handed the keys of one with a sticker that said..

I voted for Obama...

I refused to drive it the 50 or so miles...
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Appropriateness of violence as response to political marginalization

Ridiculous to compare Kristallnacht with a brick through a window, or even several bricks. There must be 10s of millions of very angry citizens and only a couple of bricks?

That's why the use of the term "small-scale mimicry of Kristallnacht."

If you look at the use of violent imagery and threatening language from conservative websites, 'patriot' websites, conservative newsmakers and pundits it's not surprising to see a brick or two thrown.

People are generally pretty restrained. Remember the London transit bombings? Shortly afterwards a poll revealed that 5% of British muslims thought that violence was an appropriate response to defending against threats to Islam! That equates to about 50,000 muslims. Yet subsequent attacks from muslims were nearly absent. I use the term "nearly" because this is from memory and I don't want to be called a liar because there may have been one or two. The point is that it's a vanishingly small percentage of those who say that violence is justified that actually do violence.

I hope that American conservatives and libertarians are at least as restrained as British muslims. It's clear to me that the more talk approving of violence from conservative authority figures the greater likelihood that some will take that as their signal to go ahead with their plan to emulate Oswald or Hinckley. That's not something you or I want hung around the neck of your movement, or mine.

FJ
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Frankly, with over 50 per cent of the people pissed off about the Health Care bill that was passed I am astounded at the remarkable RESTRAINT that has prevailed so far. I would have thought that there would have been at least a NORMAL random number of unstable fruitcakes who might have escalated the dissent and expressed their anger violently. That makes me think that those angry at this legislation represent the smarter, most responsible, law abiding segment of the American population while those favoring the legislation the more socialist, less educated, less responsible, more violent segment of our population.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
They are annoyed that they elected a mainstream guy???

Anyone who says "thou shalt buy health insurance or pay a fine or go to jail" is not mainstream.
 

Monkeywrench

Land Owner
Is there even the slightest chance of a discussion of facts in this matter without the slimy smear tactics?

This not Europe, there are no Nazis, only hell bent Communists dismantling our Republic any way they can.

Expressing one's shock and broken-heartedness over losing one's constitution has not one thing to do with the racial hatred carried out by the Nazis. My great-grandmother was Jewish and I find your remarks offensive in marginalizing Jewish suffering.
 

BoatGuy

Inactive
Riiiight....

When you can't put up a logical argument for stealing money and taking freedoms then you pull the race card.

This guy is a MSM shill.

That was what I was thinking when I read it. They always have to make it sound like I'm a racist. I hate that.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Is there even the slightest chance of a discussion of facts in this matter without the slimy smear tactics?

This not Europe, there are no Nazis, only hell bent Communists dismantling our Republic any way they can.

Expressing one's shock and broken-heartedness over losing one's constitution has not one thing to do with the racial hatred carried out by the Nazis. My great-grandmother was Jewish and I find your remarks offensive in marginalizing Jewish suffering.

Well, I did a word search and so far...YOU are the ONLY one who has mentioned Nazis. Against whom are you protesting?

Surely it cannot be against me. You certainly must be intelligent enough to know the difference between Fascism and Nazi. But, then again perhaps I assume too much.
 

BigBadBossyDog

Membership Revoked
The Rage Is Not About Health Care



By FRANK RICH
Published: March 27, 2010


But the laughs evaporated soon enough. There’s nothing entertaining about watching goons hurl venomous slurs at congressmen like the civil rights hero John Lewis and the openly gay Barney Frank. And as the week dragged on, and reports of death threats and vandalism stretched from Arizona to Kansas to upstate New York, the F.B.I. and the local police had to get into the act to protect members of Congress and their families.

Prove it. I want to see a video or hear an audio. Prove it.

How curious that a mob fond of likening President Obama to Hitler knows so little about history that it doesn’t recognize its own small-scale mimicry of Kristallnacht. The weapon of choice for vigilante violence at Congressional offices has been a brick hurled through a window. So far.[emphasis added]

You do know, don't you, that Mz. Slaughter's office is supposedly on the 30th floor. That's some pretty hefty brick throwing.

No less curious is how disproportionate this red-hot anger is to its proximate cause. The historic blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.....

Sorry, I can't be bothered reading anymore of this crap. But I knew that when I clicked on the thread.
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
Rage? I feel no rage.

I am mad that we have no representatives in Washington DC that represent the average CITIZEN of the US. I am mad that we have a runaway government that is hell bent on minimizing the US while trying to give away as much as possible to the rest of the world. I am mad that we have a bunch of progressives that are doing everything they can to ruin this republic and change it as fast as possible to a socialist cesspool.

Mad. Not pi$$ed off. Not enraged. Just mad, as in as unhappy yet calm while thinking about it.

The trouble is that both CONgress and the administration both know that unless they pass even more bad bills into law, like massive amnesty for the voters, cap and trade for the money, and other legislation for control, they may have an issue come November. So they will be trying to sneak in as much as possible. Now, we are already seeing that CONgress is not listening to the citizens of the US, and that the administration is not listening to either CONgress or the citizens of the US. Just wait till the administration goes the final distance and minimizes the power of the legislative branch and CONgress gets neutered. Watch for that soon.

Obama can't have his socialist government without CONgress being "changed" to a Politburo through his internal Central Committee that he is installing now.

Loup
 

TerriHaute

Hoosier Gardener
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025942.php

More Thoughts On Liberal Political Violence
March 27, 2010
Posted by John at 7:23 PM

The Democrats have tried to change the subject away from their health care debacle by claiming that conservatives are threatening violence against them. Their complaints are pathetic where they are not out-and-out lies (e.g., Clyburn and Lewis), and they have taken a lot of well-deserved criticism. It is liberals, not conservatives, who rely on ad hominem attacks, outrageous allegations, and violent imagery. We talked about this on our radio show today, and several callers reminded us of a particularly sorry episode of liberal violence that, for some reason, has not gotten much attention: the 2008 Republican convention in St. Paul.

I attended the convention and remember the terrorist acts that were carried out by anti-Republican protesters very well. They threw bricks through the windows of buses, sending elderly convention delegates to the hospital. They dropped bags of sand off highway overpasses onto vehicles below. Fortunately, no one was killed.

These were anti-Bush and anti-Republican protesters. Is it a stretch to think that some of them, at least, may have been inspired by over-the-top, hateful attacks on the Bush administration by Democratic Congressmen, DNC Chairman Howard Dean, Michael Moore, who was a guest of honor at the Democrats' own convention, various show business personalities, and many other leading liberal figures? I don't think so. We haven't seen that sort of hate campaign since the Democrats went after Abraham Lincoln. It seems unlikely that none of the "protesters" who tried to commit murder were inspired by those liberal voices.

Yet, hardly anyone seems to be aware of the violence that took place in 2008. At most, the story was treated with a ho-hum attitude in the press. For some reason, political violence was not a concern less than two years ago. Yet today, we can hardly imagine what would happen if a group of tea partiers were to drop sandbags off a highway overpass, trying to kill motorists below. Liberal reporters' heads would explode. But this is exactly what anti-Republican Party protesters did in 2008, and no one cared. To my knowledge, not a single Democratic politician condemned this anti-Republican violence or attempted in any way to distance the Democratic Party from it.

Keep that in mind next time you hear a Democrat whining about the Republican effort to "fire Nancy Pelosi."
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
If memory serves, on Kristallnacht it wasn't the "people" breaking windows--it was soldiers OF the government, breaking windows in JEWISH shops, as a way of both silencing them, and letting the non-Jewish citizenry know that it was now "open season" on Jews and they had nothing to fear from terrorizing them.

I am not excusing the idiots who are throwing bricks through Congressmen's (or women's) windows, but let's get our analogies straight, at least.

Info on Kristrallnacht:

"This was done by the Hitler Youth, the Gestapo and the SS.[2] Kristallnacht also served as a pretext and a means for the wholesale confiscation of firearms from German Jews.[3]"

--From Wikkipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
Considering how the Progressives are the soldiers of the current administration, I think the usage of Kristallnacht fit's very well.

I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that the groups that have done the damage are Progressives trying to start something, or at least win one for the cause. And yes, I can see this modern Kristallnacht being used as the start for many different confiscations.

Funny thing is that a lot of good (old school) democrats have realized that their party has been taken over by the Progressive socialists and are just as mad as the Conservatives that are pi$$ed at the conservative party being taken over by RINOs and Progressives.

Loup
 

UncurledA

Inactive
Considering how the Progressives are the soldiers of the current administration, I think the usage of Kristallnacht fit's very well.

I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that the groups that have done the damage are Progressives trying to start something, or at least win one for the cause. And yes, I can see this modern Kristallnacht being used as the start for many different confiscations.

Funny thing is that a lot of good (old school) democrats have realized that their party has been taken over by the Progressive socialists and are just as mad as the Conservatives that are pi$$ed at the conservative party being taken over by RINOs and Progressives.

Loup

Hear, hear. And if so, the new Brownshirts among us, i.e., the Progressives infiltrators of them all, will just keep the FBI going around in circles.
 

Jamestown Girl

Veteran Member
More Alinsky tactics. Demonize your opponent. Does anyone really think that by saying all this we will change our position? Or is it that some HOPE we will get violent?

My guess is this is just to distract the idiots who buy into this stuff from listenening to facts. Why would enlightened people listen to a bunch of racists.

Seems this article is better suited for DU or Huffington.
 

Windy Ridge

Veteran Member
The office is on the 30th floor? So how much glass did they find outside on the ground?
Windows can be broken from both sides.

Windy Ridge
 

undead

Veteran Member
You wouldn't know that from the ones all over the place around here.

I see why the left wing of the Democratic party is pissed at Obama. They thought they had elected a leftist and are pissed at having elected such a mainstream guy. They are pissed at Obama for the opposite reason that the right wing is pissed. That Obama has achieved this historic health care compromise that is based on so many features of GOP-favored plans (Mitt Romney's Mass. HC in particular) in not making him (Obama) look like a hero. As a possible GOP candidate, poor Romney is now effectively de-fanged.

On the other hand, the centrists are quite pleased about the HC plan, as moderate as it is, they don't mind too much that it's just a platform for more substantive reform in the future. They're pleased that Obama is on a roll with HC reform (attempted first during Theodore Roosevelt's administration). Medicare was widely denounced by conservatives (including Ronald Reagan) but you don't see many calls for it's repeal today, do you? Many democratic leftists regret that Obama did not seek to support Medicare by allowing people to buy into the Medicare system. Medicare could have used the infusion of cash from a relatively healthy cohort of younger Americans to insure solvency and those covered could have benefitted from the low-overhead government program. Even the tea-partiers snarl when there's a suggestion that their socialized health insurance could be threatened.

I personally would have preferred a single-payer approach for a very basic HC system with add-ons for more extensive coverage like Medicare or the French system, supported by taxes that not even illegal aliens could afford. That would be the end of your hospital having to bill you for some illegal alien jerk that showed up with some condition and no cash.... It's still something that I can look forward to seeing in my lifetime.

At least people are no longer job-locked; unable to change jobs, even for one with higher pay because their pre-existing condition made them unemployable for any and all prospective employers.

FJ

mainstream?????



ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha





:lkick::lkick::lkick::lkick::screw:



On a serious note - the liberals can take their laws and shove them up their asses. The New York Times long ago quit being a newspaper, and became a leaflet for the Demorat Underground.




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Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I can only speak as to why I am angry. It isn't necessarily the health care bill per se...although the common sense side of me cannot fathom how we're gonna pay for it and why we, as a nation, seem to be sliding further into a debt quagmire that we're not going to be able to get out of.

What angers me the most is that our elected reps disregarded the will of the people and voted it into law! They tattered the fundamental building block of our nation (the Contitution) a little bit more. The majority of the citizens of this country actually LIKE the Constitution and the way it outlines the brances of government and CONTROLLS government. And here's the beauty of all of this...if you are among the few that don't like it, you are free to go somewhere else that is more to your liking and philosophies! There are hundereds of countries out there. I'm sure you could find one!!!
 

nanna

Devil's Advocate
I transport cars sometimes...pick em up one place and take them to another...

I was handed the keys of one with a sticker that said..

I voted for Obama...

I refused to drive it the 50 or so miles...

Obviously you didn't have the handy prepper roll of duct tape available for use :)
 
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