CHAT Headsup for Every un-attached man

Krayola

Veteran Member
Wow, with an attitude like that, I am not surprised that none of the flirty females comes up to your "standards."

I first noticed the tendency of some (not all) some men to start looking up "the nice girls" to see if they were still around when I was nearing 30.

That was over 30 years ago, and while it does make some sense, most ladies I know (including my younger self) did not really appreciate the:

"oh well, you weren't worth dating when I could still get laid by all the hot chicks but now that I want a combination broodmare, house cleaner, and second household income, I think you will do nicely."
:
Ya know, I have laughed at the MGTOW getting their knickers all twisted because the stuff they are so mad about re: female behavior is the same stuff men have been doing to women for ages. It's like the women finally just took a page out of the mens' how-to manual and started playing by the same rules that guys have always played and now the men are ticked about it. I just laugh at the hypocrisy.

This is illustrated by the bold part of your post above. Just change the genders and it sounds exactly like something the MGTOW types would say when they complain about women:

"oh well, you weren't worth dating when I could still get laid by all the hot chicks alpha guys but now that I want a combination yada, yada, yada....., I think you will do nicely."

They are all ticked that the women want to get with the hot guys and not them when that is exactly what they do themselves when the roles are reversed. No single guy looking for a partner sits there and sizes up a group of women across the room and says to himself, "Those three over there are strikingly beautiful but I think I'll go chat up the unattractive ones."
 

Ping Jockey

Inactive
Ya know, I have laughed at the MGTOW getting their knickers all twisted because the stuff they are so mad about re: female behavior is the same stuff men have been doing to women for ages. It's like the women finally just took a page out of the mens' how-to manual and started playing by the same rules that guys have always played and now the men are ticked about it. I just laugh at the hypocrisy.

This is illustrated by the bold part of your post above. Just change the genders and it sounds exactly like something the MGTOW types would say when they complain about women:

"oh well, you weren't worth dating when I could still get laid by all the hot chicks alpha guys but now that I want a combination yada, yada, yada....., I think you will do nicely."

They are all ticked that the women want to get with the hot guys and not them when that is exactly what they do themselves when the roles are reversed. No single guy looking for a partner sits there and sizes up a group of women across the room and says to himself, "Those three over there are strikingly beautiful but I think I'll go chat up the unattractive ones."
YES!!! You are right on the money. Though MGTOW has gotten a bad rap for some of the unpleasantness that we men do I will be the first, jumping up and down with waving arms, to admit that I’m really ashamed of my own gender. Most of us men are whiney-assed, namby-pamby, wannabeeze who are either looking for a wet nurse, or purse, as someone posited early on, another mother, or someone their little narcissistic, self-centered selves can subjugate.

I do not condone these actions. In fact I have alienated quite a few male ‘friends’ for calling them out in their bs.
 

Krayola

Veteran Member
If you find yourselves alone, there is probably a really good reason for that. If you want to be alone there's probably a good reason for that as well. Just stop boring the hell out of everyone by bragging about it or bitching about it. If you want the situation changed then figure out what you did wrong the first time around and fix it. If you are incapable of that then don't blame someone else for your personal choices.
:applaud::applaud::applaud::applaud::applaud:

God created male and female in His own image. We are all fearfully and wonderfully made. We may have different strengths and weaknesses, but one is not inferior to the other.
 

Thinwater

Firearms Manufacturer
You all have me thinking how lucky I was to marry at 19 and have 33 good years of marriage until the "Until death do us part", part of the deal happened. You have to consider your better half in everything that you want to do, buy, and say, and hopefully receive the same consideration.

Don't fall for the idea that you "Deserve" someone better looking, younger, richer etc..
 

Normallguy

"just a human bein'"
As for the original statement.
After 30+ years of living single, I'm not sure if I would even recognize an advance.
Yes, I am that out of it.
 

jward

passin' thru
You all have me thinking how lucky I was to marry at 19 and have 33 good years of marriage until the "Until death do us part", part of the deal happened. You have to consider your better half in everything that you want to do, buy, and say, and hopefully receive the same consideration.

Don't fall for the idea that you "Deserve" someone better looking, younger, richer etc..
No greater gift than to be well mated- every messy, confusing complicated moment of it- even the blood n tears with which it's purchased- are a blessing.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
You all have me thinking how lucky I was to marry at 19 and have 33 good years of marriage until the "Until death do us part", part of the deal happened. You have to consider your better half in everything that you want to do, buy, and say, and hopefully receive the same consideration.

Don't fall for the idea that you "Deserve" someone better looking, younger, richer etc..

This!!!
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Wow, with an attitude like that, I am not surprised that none of the flirty females comes up to your "standards."

I first noticed the tendency of some (not all) some men to start looking up "the nice girls" to see if they were still around when I was nearing 30.

That was over 30 years ago, and while it does make some sense, most ladies I know (including my younger self) did not really appreciate the:

"oh well, you weren't worth dating when I could still get laid by all the hot chicks but now that I want a combination broodmare, house cleaner, and second household income, I think you will do nicely."
:


And this is exactly what my friends and myself faced some twenty five years ago. Thanks but no thanks. Thank God He put Orion Commander in my path!
 

medic38572

TB Fanatic
I'm surprised noone has figured it out.
Just off the top of my head...

Women have no balls and can not defend themselves,
-- exceptions to the rule duly noted.

So, they do not own themselves - by definition, as primative as it may be.

Women have smaller brains which are wired different from a man's brain.
They generally can not think like a man, because God created them thataway.

So, they need a man to navigate the perilous times that are upon us.

Any resources a woman has are more likely than a man's, to be poorly deployed and under-utilized.

So, the woman needs a man for his muscle power, including the brain muscle, if not for any resources he may bring to the table.

Feel free to elaborate along these lines, knowing my own perspective as noted in the points mentioned.

Don't blame me. Blame your creator, if you feel the need...

Oh, and it don't matter whether I'm good looking.
All you gotta do is look at the men some women choose.

Oh damn...
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Never heard of collarspace, am a member of CollarNCuffs though... their forum loads really slow so I don't go there often.

Successor site to BDSM, etc. dating site collarme.com, I think.

I have learned many things about women as part of taking the red pill that remove all illusions about them.

First, the rule that Roissy went by, that you can understand women, or revere them, never both, is apt.

Second, marriage changes women more often than not into people you wouldn't even want as casual acquaintances. The lesson of course is that if you want a worthwhile LTR with a woman, never marry, impregnate, or cohabitate with her, and you have at least a chance at one with her. Once she figures she has nothing to lose but what she doesn't like about you, then, you're on the wrong side of Briffault's Law.

Third, unless a woman is clearly pursuing you for sex when you KNOW she cannot possibly get anything BUT the sex from you, any woman you get involved with is more likely than not really more after money in some way than anything else, such as love for you, what you are, and what your needs are. (Marriage-seeking is an indirect if massive money hunt by women, saving only if they're well-off and you're eternally broke.) Evidence? Try and start a romance when the women knows you're unemployed and not likely to be wealthy (in med school, inheriting, etc.). To smoke out the gold-digging majority, tell them A) you're set up to be judgement proof, B) will never marry, etc., and C) you don't buy women food, tickets to anything, etc., you haven't had sex with. Poof.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
How many kids and grandkids do you have??? I may have someone I can introduce you to, he's a widower, has four grown and well established kids, nine grandkids, is quite the family man. Not rich by any means but has been a school bus driver for decades and works for the city IIRC maintaining the parks, school yards, and the city golf course... so another words he can hold a job down. His one health issue is he's a type one diabetic. He's very conservative and has a crazy crazy sense of humor... and he's not located far from you, about 40 minutes to the north east.

I have three children (ages 30-40), and no grandchildren. I’d love to fall in love. Today marks four years since I was kissed and cuddled by my husband for the last time. Today. Four years.

I miss it.

A lot.

I’m financially stable and have everything I want and need...except for a romantic partner.
 

Sam2

Free Range Prisoner
Too many posts to respond individually.
No regrets in starting the thread.

If you think I hate women, check your assumptions, if you can...

The salient point here is about power in the relationship.

Far too many women use silence as a way to power. Just when the man does something, she will, without warning, become the contentious, competitive bitch.

That is dishonest in the extreme, but it is a favorite tactic of women who can not or will not communicate.

I don't expect many to have any clue at all, about power. Just know that God intended for man to have the power, as head of the household.

But so many self-described Christians reject God and his plan, it a wonder they call themselves Christians... right here.

Too many people, Christians or otherwise, prefer the delusion. God obliges.

Nothing I can do about that. I love the truth.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
Too many posts to respond individually.
No regrets in starting the thread.

If you think I hate women, check your assumptions, if you can...

The salient point here is about power in the relationship.

Far too many women use silence as a way to power. Just when the man does something, she will, without warning, become the contentious, competitive bitch.

That is dishonest in the extreme, but it is a favorite tactic of women who can not or will not communicate.

I don't expect many to have any clue at all, about power. Just know that God intended for man to have the power, as head of the household.

But so many self-described Christians reject God and his plan, it a wonder they call themselves Christians... right here.

Too many people, Christians or otherwise, prefer the delusion. God obliges.

Nothing I can do about that. I love the truth.

Most people will automatically and happily follow a strong fair leader.

Very few men today are good leaders and most women know it.
 

jward

passin' thru
Too many posts to respond individually.
No regrets in starting the thread.

If you think I hate women, check your assumptions, if you can...

The salient point here is about power in the relationship.

Far too many women use silence as a way to power. Just when the man does something, she will, without warning, become the contentious, competitive bitch.

That is dishonest in the extreme, but it is a favorite tactic of women who can not or will not communicate.

I don't expect many to have any clue at all, about power. Just know that God intended for man to have the power, as head of the household.

But so many self-described Christians reject God and his plan, it a wonder they call themselves Christians... right here.

Too many people, Christians or otherwise, prefer the delusion. God obliges.

Nothing I can do about that. I love the truth.

When did this become about power imbalance- I actually think I've seen more men pull the 'you've violated the unspoken rules you don't know of so now I must punish you harshly' game than women--- but at any rate you slipped the dance of power dynamic in outta left field. That's like cheating n stuff. Baaad Baaad habit, in or outta relationships :D
 

Sam2

Free Range Prisoner
When did this become about power imbalance- I actually think I've seen more men pull the 'you've violated the unspoken rules you don't know of so now I must punish you harshly' game than women--- but at any rate you slipped the dance of power dynamic in outta left field. That's like cheating n stuff. Baaad Baaad habit, in or outta relationships :D
It was in post 10, you just lack the capacity to see it, as do many.

It is God's plan.
There can only be one head of the house, and God made it the man.

My post 10: Don't blame me. Blame your creator, if you feel the need...
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Most people will automatically and happily follow a strong fair leader.

Very few men today are good leaders and most women know it.

Women are more concerned as a rule with the "strong" than the "fair" in which men they follow.
Evidence: sadists, criminals, gang leaders, and murderous dictators of countries never lack for women throwing themselves at them. Meanwhile, many quiet boring good men go without peer female companionship most or all of their lives.

Right now, in the West, governments have ursurped would-have-been husbands' role. This may be seen in its purest form in black ghettos, but any government agency's employees, and to a moderately lesser extent large corporations and colleges, show this pattern as well. Women (at least the ones partially fit for anything but being cat-hoarding hermits) seem to need to serve something, and are apparently happy to have this be governments and corporations instead of individual non-apex men.

The saying is that polygamy is actually okay with most women; while they'd rather have an apex alpha to themselves, sharing one beats having a lesser beta or gamma all to themselves. This seems correct.


P.S.: re "power" vs. "love": Henry Makow worded it well; when I have time to return, I'll elaborate.
 
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NCGirl

Veteran Member
Women are more concerned as a rule with the "strong" than the "fair" in which men they follow.
Evidence: sadists, criminals, gang leaders, and murderous dictators of countries never lack for women throwing themselves at them. Meanwhile, many quiet boring good men go without peer female companionship most or all of their lives.

Right now, in the West, governments have ursurped would-have-been husbands' role. This may be seen in its purest form in black ghettos, but any government agency's employees, and to a moderately lesser extent large corporations, show this pattern as well. Women (at least the ones partially fit for anything but being cat-hoarding hermits) seem to need to serve something, and are apparently happy to have this be governments and corporations instead of individual non-apex men.

The saying is that polygamy is actually okay with most women; while they'd rather have an apex alpha to themselves, sharing one beats having a lesser beta or gamma all to themselves. This seems correct.


P.S.: re "power" vs. "love": Henry Makow worded it well; when I have time to return, I'll elaborate.


I know that the most sensitive people hurt the most. I'm sorry.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
I know that the most sensitive people hurt the most. I'm sorry.

True. The saying is that behind every cynic is a disappointed romantic idealist. I think that's more right than wrong.

From Ayn Rand's book The Fountainhead, about the early days of the character Gail Wynand:


"Gail Wynand was twenty when he fell in love. He had known everything there was to know about sex since the age of thirteen He had had many girls. He never spoke of love, created no romantic illusion and treated the whole matter as a simple animal transaction; but at this he was an expert and women could tell it, just by looking at him. The girl with whom he fell in love had an exquisite beauty, a beauty to be worshiped, not desired. She was fragile and silent. Her face told of the lovely mysteries within her, left unexpressed.

She became Gail Wynand's mistress. He allowed himself the weakness of being happy. He would have married her at once had she mentioned it. But they said little to each other. He felt that everything was understood between them.

One evening he spoke. Sitting at her feet, his face raised to her, he allowed his soul to be heard. "My darling, anything you wish, anything I am, anything I can ever be . .. That's what i want to offer you not the things I'll get for you, but the thing in me that will make me able to get them. That thing a man can't renounce it but I want to renounce it so that it will be yours so that it will be in your service only for you: The girl smiled and asked: "Do you think I'm prettier than Maggie Kelly?"

He got up. He said nothing and walked out of the house. he never saw that girl again. Gail Wynand, who prided himself never needing a lesson twice, did not fall in love again in the years that followed."
 

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Too many posts to respond individually.
No regrets in starting the thread.

If you think I hate women, check your assumptions, if you can...

The salient point here is about power in the relationship.

Far too many women use silence as a way to power. Just when the man does something, she will, without warning, become the contentious, competitive bitch.

That is dishonest in the extreme, but it is a favorite tactic of women who can not or will not communicate.

I don't expect many to have any clue at all, about power. Just know that God intended for man to have the power, as head of the household.

But so many self-described Christians reject God and his plan, it a wonder they call themselves Christians... right here.

Too many people, Christians or otherwise, prefer the delusion. God obliges.

Nothing I can do about that. I love the truth.


You forgot to say ... IMHO. To bring God into your ridiculious argument doesn't make it anymore convincing, and I find it insulting personally. I can't stand it when people use our creator to try to convince others they're wrong.

You seem to have a huge ego. Perhaps that's part of "your" problem. I have news for you my friend, there's a lot of women out there with the intellect that will put you & I to shame ....... I love the truth too.

You're all over the map with your thoughts. I can understand why women would clam up around you. Hear it all the time. Too many men blame women when it's actually their own insecurities. But there's someone for everyone.

Domination isn't love.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
As for the original statement.
After 30+ years of living single, I'm not sure if I would even recognize an advance.
Yes, I am that out of it.
This is why I tell people both men and women if you really want the chance at a partner or even a good friend, find a hobby.

It works a bit better if the sexes are somewhat even (my SCA/Middle Ages club for example) but whatever you are passionate about - books, gardening, cooking, textiles - guys if you want to meet women, remind yourself that men were the original professional knitters and give it a try and in Colonial, America men were the majority of the professional weavers too.

After nearly 40 years in the SCA I have seen all sorts of people find true love who would never even have met or looked at each other in a workplace or bar, but working with someone else to put on a banquet for 300 people, learning heavy armored combat skills together can suddenly make you realized that yeah, he's shorter than you but he's cute, brave and funny. Or, yeah she's very thin (or very fat) but she glides across that room in that sexy 14th-century surcoat, why didn't I notice before?

I even saw what I'm sorry, was the least attractive woman I think I ever met physically (but she was a jewel of a person) end up marrying the most handsome man in the room; and you know on her wedding day she was beautiful! As far as I know, last I heard they are still married.

Sure, some hobbies are "meat markets" but most are not, your local science fiction book club or folk dancing night may skew towards men or women, but what is important is making friends.

Even if you come home to your dog, you've still made friends and social contacts - science increasingly tells us we are a social/tribal species who do better with at least a few trusted people in our lives.

Sometimes that grows into romantic love, or as the best advice I ever got when I was 12 from a long-time married couple said:

"Marry your friends, not people who are just your lovers, you need both!"
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Successor site to BDSM, etc. dating site collarme.com, I think.

I have learned many things about women as part of taking the red pill that remove all illusions about them.

First, the rule that Roissy went by, that you can understand women, or revere them, never both, is apt.

Second, marriage changes women more often than not into people you wouldn't even want as casual acquaintances. The lesson of course is that if you want a worthwhile LTR with a woman, never marry, impregnate, or cohabitate with her, and you have at least a chance at one with her. Once she figures she has nothing to lose but what she doesn't like about you, then, you're on the wrong side of Briffault's Law.

Third, unless a woman is clearly pursuing you for sex when you KNOW she cannot possibly get anything BUT the sex from you, any woman you get involved with is more likely than not really more after money in some way than anything else, such as love for you, what you are, and what your needs are. (Marriage-seeking is an indirect if massive money hunt by women, saving only if they're well-off and you're eternally broke.) Evidence? Try and start a romance when the women knows you're unemployed and not likely to be wealthy (in med school, inheriting, etc.). To smoke out the gold-digging majority, tell them A) you're set up to be judgement proof, B) will never marry, etc., and C) you don't buy women food, tickets to anything, etc., you haven't had sex with. Poof.
When Nightwolf asked me to marry him, I had already said yes and then I explained that I knew as a writer he probably wouldn't make much money but that was OK because as long as we stayed in XYZ where I had a good civil service job, I could make the basic income and his would come when it came.

He started laughing...I won't go into our personal details but the situation was not as I thought it was.

I can tell you of at least three or four other cases where women agreed to get married believing their beloved was an artist/writer/activist type who wasn't likely to be a big earner and found out that either their family had some money and/or they had a good basic income.

If you say you will never marry, sure some women will go away if a long-term partnership is what they are looking for - that's a great line that with most men actually translates as "I want some hot sex, don't bug me when I leave you because I will."

That may not be what YOU mean by it, but then not all those thirty-something men who came back to take a look at the "good girls" were only interested in a housekeeper either, some of them really did feel ready for wives but they were clueless in how to go about finding them.

The culture trains young men to look for sex and fun, not how to have a long-term committed relationship with another human being, that goes for both sexes by the way, but men really feel the confusion when it comes time to mate.

It isn't like they can go to the "marriage broker" and ask for "candidates."
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I have three children (ages 30-40), and no grandchildren. I’d love to fall in love. Today marks four years since I was kissed and cuddled by my husband for the last time. Today. Four years.

I miss it.

A lot.

I’m financially stable and have everything I want and need...except for a romantic partner.
Packy if this works out, we have to see if we can get them to live-stream the wedding so we can all attend lol
 

Ping Jockey

Inactive
You forgot to say ... IMHO. To bring God into your ridiculious argument doesn't make it anymore convincing, and I find it insulting personally. I can't stand it when people use our creator to try to convince others they're wrong.

You seem to have a huge ego. Perhaps that's part of "your" problem. I have news for you my friend, there's a lot of women out there with the intellect that will put you & I to shame ....... I love the truth too.

You're all over the map with your thoughts. I can understand why women would clam up around you. Hear it all the time. Too many men blame women when it's actually their own insecurities. But there's someone for everyone.

Domination isn't love.
And another YES
You forgot to say ... IMHO. To bring God into your ridiculious argument doesn't make it anymore convincing, and I find it insulting personally. I can't stand it when people use our creator to try to convince others they're wrong.

You seem to have a huge ego. Perhaps that's part of "your" problem. I have news for you my friend, there's a lot of women out there with the intellect that will put you & I to shame ....... I love the truth too.

You're all over the map with your thoughts. I can understand why women would clam up around you. Hear it all the time. Too many men blame women when it's actually their own insecurities. But there's someone for everyone.

Domination isn't love.
And another YES!!!
 

Sam2

Free Range Prisoner
You forgot to say ... IMHO. To bring God into your ridiculious argument doesn't make it anymore convincing, and I find it insulting personally. I can't stand it when people use our creator to try to convince others they're wrong.

You seem to have a huge ego. Perhaps that's part of "your" problem. I have news for you my friend, there's a lot of women out there with the intellect that will put you & I to shame ....... I love the truth too.

You're all over the map with your thoughts. I can understand why women would clam up around you. Hear it all the time. Too many men blame women when it's actually their own insecurities. But there's someone for everyone.

Domination isn't love.
You betray an ignorance. There is a cure for that.
Stupid is permanent, though.

If you do in fact love the truth, you will make it your mission to prove me wrong.
I'll not do it for you, though.

I am quite confident that if you are honest with yourself, and make the effort, you will find that I'm right.

No way would I put words in God's mouth.
And I am actually quite consistent.

Check your assumptions.
I have a sense of deja vu, with you.
 

ambereyes

Veteran Member
It was actually kinda fun for awhile there.

It's still fun, I'm just watching the show, with a cup of coffee and a pile of bacon and eggs. Have a lot of work today, barn cleaning and checking fences. Beautiful day for it. Life is great!
 

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You
You betray an ignorance. There is a cure for that.
Stupid is permanent, though.

If you do in fact love the truth, you will make it your mission to prove me wrong.
I'll not do it for you, though.

I am quite confident that if you are honest with yourself, and make the effort, you will find that I'm right.

No way would I put words in God's mouth.
And I am actually quite consistent.

Check your assumptions.
I have a sense of deja vu, with you.


LOL. You just keep digging yourself deeper. Happily married for 38 years. It ain't perfect, but it works for us both.

But we know there's no proving guys like you wrong, thus your problem. Have fun with yourself. Must be a small world up there.

You don't know squat.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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My post #140 notes how that is more wrong than right.
Just because a certain segment of women will throw themselves at gang bangers does not mean they will respect them.
And there are myriad ways in which that disrespect will present itself.
You may not recognize all of them.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Ya know, I have laughed at the MGTOW getting their knickers all twisted because the stuff they are so mad about re: female behavior is the same stuff men have been doing to women for ages. It's like the women finally just took a page out of the mens' how-to manual and started playing by the same rules that guys have always played and now the men are ticked about it. I just laugh at the hypocrisy.

This is illustrated by the bold part of your post above. Just change the genders and it sounds exactly like something the MGTOW types would say when they complain about women:

"oh well, you weren't worth dating when I could still get laid by all the hot chicks alpha guys but now that I want a combination yada, yada, yada....., I think you will do nicely."

They are all ticked that the women want to get with the hot guys and not them when that is exactly what they do themselves when the roles are reversed. No single guy looking for a partner sits there and sizes up a group of women across the room and says to himself, "Those three over there are strikingly beautiful but I think I'll go chat up the unattractive ones."
I for one have no issue with female behavior as it now stands. I believe in minding my own business.

BUT

I do have a problem when it comes to courts and how they treat the sexes.... I am not a farm animal for my ex to harvest income from until the day she dies, just because she felt she could "upgrade".

RANT over.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
I for one have no issue with female behavior as it now stands. I believe in minding my own business.

BUT

I do have a problem when it comes to courts and how they treat the sexes.... I am not a farm animal for my ex to harvest income from until the day she dies, just because she felt she could "upgrade".

RANT over.


I have to agree. The courts, in general, are not fair to men when they divorce, especially if they have kids. So, if you are going to marry, choose wisely and have a prenup.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I have to agree. The courts, in general, are not fair to men when they divorce, especially if they have kids. So, if you are going to marry, choose wisely and have a prenup.
Hindsight tells me I screwed up badly.... though at the time (20 years old) I thought differently.
 

ambereyes

Veteran Member
I have to agree. The courts, in general, are not fair to men when they divorce, especially if they have kids. So, if you are going to marry, choose wisely and have a prenup.

Definitely a pre-nup! If I was to marry again that would be the first thing I did, don't plan on marrying again but you never know. And agree completely on courts being unfair with men in divorce settlements.
 
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