CHAT Headsup for Every un-attached man

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
This thread just goes to show you there's a lot of seriously warped puppies out there, and a lot of angry ones as well. Thank God I'm out of that rat race :strs: and totally off the dating, running around, B.S. menu and have been for a loooong time.

Now I just sit back and watch the circus.....:popcorn1:
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
You forgot to say ... IMHO. To bring God into your ridiculious argument doesn't make it anymore convincing, and I find it insulting personally. I can't stand it when people use our creator to try to convince others they're wrong.

You seem to have a huge ego. Perhaps that's part of "your" problem. I have news for you my friend, there's a lot of women out there with the intellect that will put you & I to shame ....... I love the truth too.

You're all over the map with your thoughts. I can understand why women would clam up around you. Hear it all the time. Too many men blame women when it's actually their own insecurities. But there's someone for everyone.

Domination isn't love.


Thank you, I couldn't have said it any better especially when he brought God into his straw man argument.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I have to agree. The courts, in general, are not fair to men when they divorce, especially if they have kids. So, if you are going to marry, choose wisely and have a prenup.

Interestingly enough they're not fair to women here in the state of Iowa either... and that system needs a huge overhaul.
 

Ping Jockey

Inactive
Definitely a pre-nup! If I was to marry again that would be the first thing I did, don't plan on marrying again but you never know. And agree completely on courts being unfair with men in divorce settlements.
I don’t ever say never, it comes back to bite one in the butt big time. That said, if I were ever to marry again there would be no pre-nup, nothing. It will be what it is to be. Discernment comes with a very hefty price but it also weeds out the undesirables, both female and male; friends, family, business associates.

Perhaps there is the one out there, that I do not know. I can’t predict the future. I do know none of were put on this earth to fill that inky black, bottomless void that most call a heart.

If one doesn’t have a sense of joy, passion, and the wonderment of the creations set before us, and realize those things without having someone outside themselves to fill that need, then nothing, or no one, on God’s green earth can do it.

The one can, and should, only enhance our life’s experiences, not be damned to a life of excruciating hell, trying to shovel enough crap to fill that void.
 

ambereyes

Veteran Member
I don’t ever say never, it comes back to bite one in the butt big time. That said, if I were ever to marry again there would be no pre-nup, nothing. It will be what it is to be. Discernment comes with a very hefty price but it also weeds out the undesirables, both female and male; friends, family, business associates.

Perhaps there is the one out there, that I do not know. I can’t predict the future. I do know none of were put on this earth to fill that inky black, bottomless void that most call a heart.

If one doesn’t have a sense of joy, passion, and the wonderment of the creations set before us, and realize those things without having someone outside themselves to fill that need, then nothing, or no one, on God’s green earth can do it.

The one can, and should, only enhance our life’s experiences, not be damned to a life of excruciating hell, trying to shovel enough crap to fill that void.

You're right about never say never. The man I've been seeing for awhile has so far agreed with me on the pre-nup for both of us. He's a widower with grown kids and I'm a widow with nearly grown kids, we both understand the need to keep things separate for our families. We don't live together or plan to at this stage, we enjoy the companionship and doing things we have in common and love each other. At this point it's working very well, he has expressed his contentment with our lives. It works for us probably not for others.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
I don’t ever say never, it comes back to bite one in the butt big time. That said, if I were ever to marry again there would be no pre-nup, nothing. It will be what it is to be. Discernment comes with a very hefty price but it also weeds out the undesirables, both female and male; friends, family, business associates.

Perhaps there is the one out there, that I do not know. I can’t predict the future. I do know none of were put on this earth to fill that inky black, bottomless void that most call a heart.

If one doesn’t have a sense of joy, passion, and the wonderment of the creations set before us, and realize those things without having someone outside themselves to fill that need, then nothing, or no one, on God’s green earth can do it.

The one can, and should, only enhance our life’s experiences, not be damned to a life of excruciating hell, trying to shovel enough crap to fill that void.


i agree strongly with you up to a point.


should anything ever happen to my fezzik, and i find myself out there single, and i should find a man out there that i would want to marry and he should want to marry me by the grace of God, i would insist on a prenup....for his sake.

i have nothing. the only thing i have to give is myself, and i would never, ever want that person to ever wonder or worry that i was only with them for their money. i also would never want them to wonder if things did not work out, would i rake him over the coals. i would also not allow him to pay my debts, bills, obligations before we got married. nor for my children. i know some men would feel weird about this, and i understand. it would be part of the deal though, and a prenup would ensure it. that way, both of us can KNOW that i was not there for what he could do for me, and that i was with him truly for him. on my end, i would not constantly be worried that he thought this, and i could relax.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Prenups are set aside by frivorce court judges all the time. This typically is wrongly done WITHOUT then voiding (annulling) the subsequent marriages that were dependent upon the prenuptial agreements, that would not have taken place without them in place.
A better (not ideal, just less bad) approach IMO is to only have religious marital ceremonies, NOT "legalizing" them.
Men still need to have all assets of consequence in trusts or (better) relatives' names prior to marriage, keep little in bank accounts, lease instead of buying cars, have skills that can support them by working for cash (trades, say), etc., if they're considering what passes for marriage in the U.S. now.
 

Grouchy Granny

Deceased
Went thru this kind of sh**t with the first hubby (and yes, I divorced him- major gambling problem).

I wanted nothing out the marriage except my stuff. Left him with the house and everything he brought into the marriage.

After the divorce and he had custody of the kids he kept dragging me into court for money, which I found out later from the kids was because he had lost big at the poker tables or just bought a new car and wanted me to pay for it.

Got custody of the kids back (he gave one to a guardian and stuffed the other one into a group home) - and yes I'm still bitter about that kind of crap to this day 40 years later.

Did he get money out of me - nope. In the final court hearing I ended up owing him $600 which I paid to the court and said I never want to hear from him again.

So, second marriage - everything was in my name - all mine. Learned my lesson well.

What's mine is mine and what's yours is yours - enuff said.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Men have lied, cheated, stole, and even killed for that furry little thing. It's called the power of the pussy. This will never change. Mike

And those are some incredibly STUPID men that are only thinking with their "little brains". If that's the major reason for getting into a relationship, that is just plain friggen stupid and ultimately doomed to failure, unless you're very very VERY lucky.

I've told all my kids that we'd pay for six months of Premarital counseling. Well worth the effort to throw off the rose colored glasses and have a real reality check by a disinterested third party. Marriage is supposed to be "until death do we part", not until one of you kills the other. Most people spend more time and effort shopping for a new car than a life time partner......Just saying.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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This thread has been an interesting commentary on the state of our world.

Everybody has seen and experienced different aspects of our social fabric.

It's gettin' kinda freaky out there.

I just wish I knew then, what I know now.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
This thread has been an interesting commentary on the state of our world.

Everybody has seen and experienced different aspects of our social fabric.

It's gettin' kinda freaky out there.

I just wish I knew then, what I know now.

It's been freaky out there for at least ten thousand years... the only difference is now we have social media to share our angst with one another.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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Man...hasn't been a $hit show of a thread like this for a while. The bitterness...damn. Must be pent-up emots from coronavirus fatigue or something.

But your right...sit back and watch the show.
Jump on in, the water is, well can be chilly. And the undertow is nasty, and then there are the sharks.....
Never mind. Pour yourself a stiff one and stay where you are. No puns intended.
 

wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
It works all directions... People today seem to flirt out of need instead of potential romance. I have been married to my best friend for 35 years, we were still in high school when we met and we haven't slowed down. Yet I get flirted with by much younger women who think for a little cheap attention I might pay a bill for them or give them something they are missing... They picked the wrong guy... Loyalty has kept me happy for this many years and no one is going to interrupt it! For the most part I spend all day trying not to lose faith in humanity!
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Watch the Deep Woods Off.

It can be HIGHLY unpleasant in (cough) sensitive areas.


...that's what someone told me. :lol:


So is biofreeze, if you’ve applied some recently don’t be touching your mates sensitive parts, the burn is right up there with the hot chili peppers. I’m now in charge of chopping jalapeños! ;)
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This thread, when not amusing, is depressing. I will note that - IMHO - the pickings amongst women for potential mates seems to be pretty slim, but conversely the same can be said for women looking for men. In closing the most profound wisdom found on this thread so far is to keep the biofreeze, Deep Woods Off, pepper sauce and Ben Gay away from the sensitive bits!

Best
Doc
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
This thread has been an interesting commentary on the state of our world.

Everybody has seen and experienced different aspects of our social fabric.

It's gettin' kinda freaky out there.

I just wish I knew then, what I know now.

Briffault's Law?


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Telegony?


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The unlikelihood of nonvirginal brides not frivorcing their husbands?


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The near 1 in 3 chance, per child, of U.S. women cuckolding their husbands?


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Women committing the vast majority (like 80%, and more when there are minor children involved) of frivorce filing?


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Wives deadbedding (refusing the marital debt, and being in unpenitant sin in violation of 1 Corinthians 7) husbands at something like 20x as often as the converse?


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Women committing the majority of violent child abuse and child murder?
Women likely committing more domestic violence than men, and more likely to use surprise, third parties, weapons, or attacks on the helpless?
Women commonly deeming men as husbands only if the men make even more money, even if the women make plenty, and even if the women have no intention of bearing children?

Which ones were it? Do tell.
 

Sam2

Free Range Prisoner
You

LOL. You just keep digging yourself deeper. Happily married for 38 years. It ain't perfect, but it works for us both.

But we know there's no proving guys like you wrong, thus your problem. Have fun with yourself. Must be a small world up there.

You don't know squat.
I gotta apologize.
I can get a little short tempered at times, particularly with time constraints.

Congrats on a happy marriage.
There is someone for everyone, but it is still hard work.

Sounds as if you are not a Christian. You are a little easier to understand, now, as none of this will ever make any sense to you.

You are not proving anything.
Your posts on this thread, are little more than emotional reactions.

Even though this will never make any sense to you, you will understand that it is not I with which you have a problem.

Your problem is your defiance of your creator.

Here is what I do Know.
Col. 3:18–21
First Corinthians 11:3
Genesis 3:16
1 Cor. 11:3
1 Peter 4:8
First Peter 3:1–2
Col. 3:20
Eph. 5:22–23
1 Tim. 2:11–13)

Romans 8:7 says, “The sinful mind is hostile to God.
Romans 1:28–30... When Scripture talks about the pagan world that denies God, disobedience to parents characterizes it.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Which ones were it? Do tell.

A simple case of not following the Universal Hot/Crazy Matrix.

While it wasn't a "thing", at that time, I still understood the concept at some subliminal level...and chose not to follow it.

Yes

I strayed into the far northeast corner of the Danger Zone.

Like being a trash-dog, I knew I was gonna get beat...but I just couldn't help myself. :lol:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWicECdC4Ec
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
A simple case of not following the Universal Hot/Crazy Matrix.

While it wasn't a "thing", at that time, I still understood the concept at some subliminal level...and chose not to follow it.

Yes

I strayed into the far northeast corner of the Danger Zone.

Like being a trash-dog, I knew I was gonna get beat...but I just couldn't help myself. :lol:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWicECdC4Ec

Don't feel so bad, my friend. Most men of all smarts levels screw up royally in their romantic lives at some point.
I certainly have; twice married disastrously, and more times that than let women go who likely would have been blessings to be with for a lifetime.

At least you've taken the Red Pill; now, there's cause for hope (or at least peace) as well as pain and disappointment.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Don't feel so bad, my friend. Most men of all smarts levels screw up royally in their romantic lives at some point.
I certainly have; twice married disastrously, and more times that than let women go who likely would have been blessings to be with for a lifetime.

At least you've taken the Red Pill; now, there's cause for hope (or at least peace) as well as pain and disappointment.


I don't feel bad about it.

Just one of those life experiences.
 

jward

passin' thru
It works all directions... People today seem to flirt out of need instead of potential romance. I have been married to my best friend for 35 years, we were still in high school when we met and we haven't slowed down. Yet I get flirted with by much younger women who think for a little cheap attention I might pay a bill for them or give them something they are missing... They picked the wrong guy... Loyalty has kept me happy for this many years and no one is going to interrupt it! For the most part I spend all day trying not to lose faith in humanity!

That's how I hear it is from the middle o' fly over county, though they say the worst o' the vultures are married wimmin 'o' a certain age'. I'm so glad my feelings are engaged elsewhere, coz yas make the whole thing sound depressing and demoralizing beyond belief.

However, terrific thread LOL--- I think it was obviously needed as a diversion, and i didn't see it get ugly until late in the game. TYVM OP, please continue sharing.
:: dancin off to remind someone worthy why i'm the president o' his fan club :D ... Quickly, b4 some o' this schiff infects me ::
 
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MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
There is someone for everyone, but it is still hard work.

Perhaps there WAS, early enough on, but by no means does that remain so indefinitely.

For men, enough years slacking, running up debts, smoking pot, not developing work habits or a reliably-paying career, habitually changing romantic partners at the first conflict, trouble with the law, etc., all make a man unmarriable to women he might once have realistically aimed.

Likewise, for women, enough miles of penises (so she cannot bond, has STDs that made her infertile, etc.), debts, becoming age-barren, being coarsened by work environments, being sexually used-up, collecting bastard castoffs, recreational chemical habits, hoarding possessions (whether shoes, cr@p "art", or felines), being a known coalburner, becoming morbidly obese, consuming enough Lifetime/romance novels/consumer advertising so her expectations are so stratospheric she turns down 100% of the commitment-minded men all the way to the nursing home, or just frivorcing a good-as-she-could -get man that she never manages to replace, etc., are common enough marriageability enders.

In the words of Roger Devlin, in his essay "Home Economics":


"Most men eventually come to the melancholy realization that a woman's choice of mate is largely, and often principally, motivated by economic considerations. In their drive for power, the feminists gave out rosy promises to men that they could change this; that women sought providers only because they were being unfairly barred from the realm of production (which feminists assumed could only lie outside the home). Once women established themselves in the labor force, the pressure upon men to provide for them would be eased. Women would behave less materialistically and choose mates on the basis of personal qualities.

At the same time, and rather inconsistently, women were assured that putting their careers first would incidentally make them eagerly sought out by high-flying men. A popular female self-help book of the early 1980s, for example, was titled Men Are Just Desserts.

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As usual, the feminists treated as historically conditioned something that was in reality natural. The female tendency to seek provider-mates evolved long before the dawn of history, when economic considerations meant hunting ability and bare survival rather than Sports Utility Vehicles and Hawaiian vacations. Women attracted to men able to provide for offspring had more surviving offspring. So today they are simply hard-wired to seek such men. What actually happens when a woman starts earning $100,000 a year, therefore, is not that she ceases to seek a man who can provide for her but that she perceives men as providers (and hence potential mates) only if they are earning even more. When the feminist project is carried out, the majority of men do not get less-materialistic wives; they simply do not get wives at all.

Even if there were enough wealthy men to go around, such men are rarely interested in marrying the corporate spinsters frantically pursuing them. That leads to a kind of tragicomic situation. There exists today a whole genre of self-help literature aimed at well-to-do professional women, promising to show them, as one author phrases it, "how to flatter, tease, dupe, and otherwise manipulate a man into marriage." [4] A company in Manhattan charges such women $9,600 for a beauty and personality makeover that culminates in a make-believe wedding. The ersatz ceremonies are often impossible to complete because the "brides" break down crying. Professionally successful men, for their part, are starting to report frequent nuisance calls from dating agencies on behalf of these desperate women.

Obviously, most of those women are going to fail in their quest no matter how many self-help books they read or how much money they spend. There is still a boy for every girl in the world, but there is not a higher-status boy for every menopausal career girl who foolishly sacrificed her nubile years to achieving wealth and status for herself. These women, in other words, are victims of their own success; their lives are what they have made them. To paraphrase Oscar Wilde: a man would need a heart of stone to behold their situation without laughing.

In an affluent society, even men of well-below-average provisioning capability can easily reproduce at above replacement rate. They may, for that matter, be better husbands and fathers than most wealthy men. Considered rationally, therefore, general prosperity ought to lead to a flourishing society of moderately large families. But the female sex instinct, as the reader may possibly have noticed, is not rational. It is triggered by relative rather than absolute wealth, and so men's sexual attractiveness is still determined by their status within the social hierarchy as perceived by women.


Another factor now working against the marital prospects of ordinary men is the influence of "romantic" books and movies upon women's imaginations.

Hollywood comedy, for example, has long pandered to the primitive female instinct to seek a mate with limitless provisioning capability. A stock hero is the handsome, jet-setting bachelor. His wealth is simply there, without his needing to go to any trouble to acquire it, leaving him free to devote full attention to romancing the heroine.

In "That Touch of Mink" (1962), Cary Grant flies Doris Day to Philadelphia in his private jet for a plate of fettuccini. She tags along as he addresses the UN. They go to a Yankees game and sit in the dugout with the players (he owns the team, apparently). He furnishes her with a new wardrobe complete with private fashion show. He buys up all the tickets on a peak-season flight to Bermuda so she can have the airplane to herself. None of this fantasy is based upon the heroine's rational concern that the children be adequately provided for; it is pure female luxury. Grant is played off against a "creepy" rival whose unworthiness consists in his having to hold down an ordinary office job, vacationing in East New Jersey instead of Bermuda, and dining on TV dinners and inexpensive wine.

This movie, along with the many others like it, actually gets cited as an example of wholesome entertainment from a more innocent age. The average dull-witted conservative media critic cannot perceive anything objectionable since there is no explicit or extramarital sex. In fact, such "romantic" pictures amount to a kind of gold digger's pornography. In contrast to Jane Austen's plot lines, where real risks and difficulties are encountered and moral lessons can be learned, these movies are mere wish fulfillment. They set women up for disappointment by teaching them to have unrealistic expectations about love and life. And, of course, they create absurdly unattainable standards for men.

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Or consider the related phenomenon of pulp romance fiction. The market for such books mysteriously exploded around the same time women began entering the workforce in large numbers. The pioneering company, Harlequin Enterprises Ltd., saw its earnings grow two-hundredfold in the decade of the 1970s. [5] Today, Harlequin has many competitors, and some sources report that the romance genre accounts for over half of paperback sales in the United States. The lesson to be drawn, it seems, is that when women become able to provide for themselves, they do not cease to think about men; instead, marriage to a real but imperfect provider is replaced by endless fantasizing about being swept up into the arms of impossibly perfect provider-mates. I once knew a professionally successful registered nurse who owned thousands of those books; the walls of every room in her house were lined with them. She must have read them every waking hour not devoted to working or eating. Not coincidentally, she had neither husband nor children.

Warren Farrell explained as early as 1986 why such literature is the functional equivalent of pornography for women. [6] But while a great deal has been written to deplore the spread of pornography in our society, almost no serious attention has been directed to the causes and effects of romance fiction. My hunch is that its influence is actually more pernicious than pornography, because women have so much greater natural power than men to determine real-world courtship and marriage patterns."
 
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Orion Commander

Veteran Member
Yup.

Last year, I was on a dating site and it's UGLY. Most guys are looking for a "nurse or a purse." EITHER ONE will do.

The thing is, I'm 60 and while I am height/weight proportionate and healthy as a horse, I am also a solid 5-6 on the looks scale. I'm not beautiful and I'm not unattractive. I'm VERY average. And that's a deal killer for most men on these dating sites. How pathetic is that?

These guys are in their 60s and they still can't get beyond a pretty face?

Match dot com is an especially nasty version of "rate my face" and if you don't have "the look," you're in trouble.

So in the dating world, I have FOUR strikes against me: I'm average, I'm well educated, I'm smarter than the average bear, and I've enjoyed a lot of success in my chosen profession. Make it five. I'm tall.

And that's the trifecta of death in the dating world.

I've got 80-year-old married men hitting on me, and I have perennially unemployed 65-year-old men (on their third bankruptcy) wanting to snuggle up, and I've got morbidly obese men telling me all about their health problems, so for now, I'm going to travel and have a LOT of fun, and if it all works out, I'll die with $47 in my checking account because I'm going to be busy spending my children's inheritance.

But back to the OP, it'd be real easy for me to hate men as much as you hate women, because from my view, many SINGLE men are not just foolish, obtuse, shallow, small-minded and pitiable, they're downright ignorant.

However...I've also got many men in my life who've been angels and have helped me through the worst hard times. So I refuse to relegate an entire class of God's creation to the rubbish pile.
Hang in there. Looks fade cooking and good conversation don't. I see a lot of high maintenance females who society says are good lookers that I wouldn't have.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
Hang in there. Looks fade cooking and good conversation don't. I see a lot of high maintenance females who society says are good lookers that I wouldn't have.

I would have agreed with you in theory but in reality, as a recent participant at match dot com, men - even into their 60s and 70s - are still shopping for a pretty face.

Overwhelmingly, most men at these sites have been through 2+ divorces and you would think that they’ve learned their lesson but they have not.

As a historian, I can state with some authority that 100 years ago, most 60-something widows would not have fared well on internet dating sites! It really is all about looks now and that’s just so sad.
 

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I gotta apologize.
I can get a little short tempered at times, particularly with time constraints.

Congrats on a happy marriage.
There is someone for everyone, but it is still hard work.

Sounds as if you are not a Christian. You are a little easier to understand, now, as none of this will ever make any sense to you.

You are not proving anything.
Your posts on this thread, are little more than emotional reactions.

Even though this will never make any sense to you, you will understand that it is not I with which you have a problem.

Your problem is your defiance of your creator.

Here is what I do Know.
Col. 3:18–21
First Corinthians 11:3
Genesis 3:16
1 Cor. 11:3
1 Peter 4:8
First Peter 3:1–2
Col. 3:20
Eph. 5:22–23
1 Tim. 2:11–13)

Romans 8:7 says, “The sinful mind is hostile to God.
Romans 1:28–30... When Scripture talks about the pagan world that denies God, disobedience to parents characterizes it.

As I said before you don't know squat. You certainly know nothing about me. Maybe you should look deeper into "your" soul. Those who need God to prove their superiority ... IMHO of course .... have issues. Emotional reactions .... Uhhhmm .... No. . Rational thought based from decades of on hands experience.

I'm not the one picking bits and pieces out of the Bible to win a discussion. None of this will make sense to you because you have zero rational thought. Thus ... Why you're single. Your God is my God, but I don't use the bible to try control or convince others. Just the fact you spew the crap you are here makes me question how Christian "you're". It's people like you that chase others away from the church.

I love the truth too. ;)

Again you're all over the map. You start a thread that bragged about yourself with women being attracted and then dump on them. Now your thumping the bible. What a Christian you are!

Have fun ... As I'm done contributing to your nonsense.
 

Sam2

Free Range Prisoner
As I said before you don't know squat. You certainly know nothing about me. Maybe you should look deeper into "your" soul. Those who need God to prove their superiority ... IMHO of course .... have issues. Emotional reactions .... Uhhhmm .... No. . Rational thought based from decades of on hands experience.

I'm not the one picking bits and pieces out of the Bible to win a discussion. None of this will make sense to you because you have zero rational thought. Thus ... Why you're single. Your God is my God, but I don't use the bible to try control or convince others. Just the fact you spew the crap you are here makes me question how Christian "you're". It's people like you that chase others away from the church.

I love the truth too. ;)

Again you're all over the map. You start a thread that bragged about yourself with women being attracted and then dump on them. Now your thumping the bible. What a Christian you are!

Have fun ... As I'm done contributing to your nonsense.
wow.
 

Leela

Veteran Member
I'm smarter than anyone in my office (out of 6 people). The people I work with drive me nuts. And I'm a female, IQ test, last test I took, was 144. I'm an old soul, have been on the planet for a while. I truly think that I was married to my husband in a past life.
 
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