Yes, I just heard the girl on CNN say that.
But she did not say it was per the blood test. Say nothing about the TEST.
EBOLA Belize Confirms Dallas Nurse With Ebola Symptoms On Cruise Ship Off Its Coast...
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Yes, I just heard the girl on CNN say that.
But she did not say it was per the blood test. Say nothing about the TEST.
There is no possible way they can know that, as has been exhaustively pointed out, an incubation period of 42 days is required; it's not merely sufficient, it's required to rule out possible contagion!
Artie.
CTFIREBATTCHIEF
Veteran Member
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/2606/web
Link to Galveston fire and PD, just in case things start getting interesting,
Link to Galveston fire and PD, just in case things start getting interesting,
Looks like this will be our best view to grab an image of anything...
http://www.cruisin.me/cruisecams/ports/united_states/galveston_texas2.php
Gang plank just went down.
- Shane
http://www.cruisin.me/cruisecams/ports/united_states/galveston_texas2.php
Gang plank just went down.
- Shane
CTFIREBATTCHIEF
Veteran Member
best as I can tell from that feed, the guys standing around at the end of the gangplank aren't in any protective gear. but hard to tell in that light
CTFIREBATTCHIEF
Veteran Member
and the three vehicles that were waiting on the pier, have left.
Lilbitsnana
On TB every waking moment
No, but I got a screenshot of what looks like a single person (I assume more had gone before) going up the plank earlier in a PPE, it took a longer than normal time for the camera view to refresh, so when it finally pulled up I grabbed a screenshot.
It was hard to see and all I have is paint, but when I zoomed in and resized it, it looks like one of the hooded cape type PPE suits.
Lilbitsnana
On TB every waking moment
Apparently, 'we' haven't learned anything in managing the Dallas scenario. "An abundance of caution" is obviously not remotely in play.
Artie.
meandk0610
Veteran Member
That is insane. No examination, no blood test, just "she doesn't have it" and you can all go about your business. WTF?!
Sorry for the drift, but this just mad me think of this...
Nine hippos riding east,
Join eight more, now all deceased.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...-a-light-hearted-change&p=5393996#post5393996
hunybee
Veteran Member
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Originally Posted by bw
No one is going to book a cruise on it again. They can sell it for scrap.
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yah, but who will voluntarily book on that ship, ya know?
i don't see it being use for anything commercial. target practice was also my first thought, but then i thought it will maybe be bought by the gov and retrofitted with what is needed to make it a BHL4 ship for treatments and whatnot.
helen
Panic Sex Lady
The pictures of the helicopter didn't rule out the removal of the two Ebola-exposed passengers from the ship.
The Ebola-exposed passengers could continue in quarantine on the ship for as long as necessary while the other passengers leave.
Or ... you don't suppose everything is ok, do you?
Panic Sex Lady looks longingly at her flannel panties ...
The Ebola-exposed passengers could continue in quarantine on the ship for as long as necessary while the other passengers leave.
Or ... you don't suppose everything is ok, do you?
Panic Sex Lady looks longingly at her flannel panties ...
Mulder
Contributing Member
Great, just what I feared: Politicians are still calling the shots, rather than infectious disease specialists.
The problem here is that even if they are telling the truth now, they have zero credibility. You can't lie to everybody regularly about this stuff and yet still maintain your credibility when it matters.
The problem here is that even if they are telling the truth now, they have zero credibility. You can't lie to everybody regularly about this stuff and yet still maintain your credibility when it matters.
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bw
Fringe Ranger
Doesn't need dry dock. But yeah, it will need a makeover. New name makes sense. Depends on how this case works out. If this girl is either healthy or is successfully disappeared, it might all be ok.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
They probably already HAVE it booked for its next cruise. Some "routine disinfection procedures", since she "wasn't positive", and off we go again.
Ya'll ever talk to a "sample" of Mr. John or Miss Jane Q. Public? Not the intelligentsia (if there IS one) -- among whom I would reckon the slightly more generally informed public---professionals in business, education (college-level), financial or legal arenas, managers, owners of businesses, artistic professionals----but the general-level----the "blue-collar" workers, the store clerks, the cashiers, the guy or gal waiting on you at the drive-thru window.
I have.
In a grocery store the other day, I tested the waters by briefly just mentioning the word "ebola" as having been hearing a lot about it on the news. Three people were near me--the cashier, the bagger, and another customer.
All of them looked completely clueless, and the cashier said, "Oh.....yeah.....I've been hearing 'bout that....isn't that, like, a disease or somethin..?"
Never underestimate the STUPIDITY and CLUELESSNESS of the general public.
On news now. A coast guard helicopter landed on the ship a couple of days ago and took a blood sample. It has been tested and does not contain Ebola.
She was escorted off the ship and allowed to get in her private car and drive away unescorted.
Passengers were allowed to leave shortly afterwards.
This is probably a case of a drama queen bragging to fellow passengers that she worked at the same Dallas hospital doing lab work where Duncan died. The passengers then spread the rumor and it got out of hand. Now everyone, ships doctor, and those Coast Guard who examined her are saying there were no symptoms. They probably let her off the ship first so she could quickly leave before the rest of the passengers killed her.
She was escorted off the ship and allowed to get in her private car and drive away unescorted.
Passengers were allowed to leave shortly afterwards.
This is probably a case of a drama queen bragging to fellow passengers that she worked at the same Dallas hospital doing lab work where Duncan died. The passengers then spread the rumor and it got out of hand. Now everyone, ships doctor, and those Coast Guard who examined her are saying there were no symptoms. They probably let her off the ship first so she could quickly leave before the rest of the passengers killed her.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
In a grocery store the other day, I tested the waters by briefly just mentioning the word "ebola" as having been hearing a lot about it on the news. Three people were near me--the cashier, the bagger, and another customer.
All of them looked completely clueless, and the cashier said, "Oh.....yeah.....I've been hearing 'bout that....isn't that, like, a disease or somethin..?"
Never underestimate the STUPIDITY and CLUELESSNESS of the general public.
Remember my "I met a sheeple" thread from last week? These people never watch the news or read a newspaper. Their websurfing (if any) is limited to Facebook. They are ignorant and PROUD OF IT.
And they VOTE....
All of them looked completely clueless, and the cashier said, "Oh.....yeah.....I've been hearing 'bout that....isn't that, like, a disease or somethin..?"
Never underestimate the STUPIDITY and CLUELESSNESS of the general public.
Remember my "I met a sheeple" thread from last week? These people never watch the news or read a newspaper. Their websurfing (if any) is limited to Facebook. They are ignorant and PROUD OF IT.
And they VOTE....
bw
Fringe Ranger
That's the most optimistic, tinfoil-free explanation. If it is true, all is good. If it's not, then we have yet another cover-up, with an unknown number of exposed potential victims who will not be tracked.
Since she was reported to be ill in her cabin, and with the track record of the authorities, a somewhat more cynical explanation might be called for.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I STILL say they DO NOT SEND A MEDIVAC HELICOPTER ALL THE WAY TO BELIZE TO PICK UP A PASSENGER WHO IS NOT SICK.
NOR DO THEY GET KERRY HIMSELF OUT OF BED TO ARGUE WITH THE BELIZE PRIME MINISTER ABOUT WHY BELIZE SHOULD LET THE WOMAN BE TAKEN TO THE AIRPORT TO BE PICKED UP BY SAID HELICOPTER.
THERE WAS A SHIP'S DOCTOR ONBOARD---SOMEBODY HAD TO THINK SHE NEEDED TO GET HOME QUICKLY URGENTLY ENOUGH THAT HE RECC'D THAT TYPE OF RESPONSE---
AND SOMEBODY HAD TO BELIEVE IT WAS TRUE TO BOTHER GETTING KERRY OFF HIS DUFF AND ON THE PHONE WITH THE BELIZEAN PRIME MINISTER.
YOU DO NOT GO TO ALL THIS TROUBLE FOR A PROBLEM THAT DOES NOT EXIST.
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Yep. My money is on the nurse having ebola (followed by her husband).
For me, the question still remains: how realistic is it for others to get it at that point? That's why I think a lot of us are awaiting news on Mr. Duncan's family members, photos of them alive and waving; however, I agree with those who believe they are already dead and we will be told something like: "They are fine. Due to privacy concerns, no more details will be released."
Will the unlucky ones on the boat be the doctor and crew who attended the nurse or other passengers? Although I don't want anyone to get it, I'm going to be an optimist and think that if it spreads, it'll be the nurse's husband, the doctor who examined her, and maybe one other crew member in maintenance. Hopefully, they will be isolated and watched.
So, no, I'm not worried about all of the passengers being infected at this point.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
It could be (I am not saying it is) that she had a nano-virus or the flu, which of course looks just like Ebola in the early stages; she would have reported to the ship's doctor along with the "self-monitoring" status and the US State Department may very well have tried to medivac her off the ship, even before the samples came back negative.
I am not saying that is what happened, but it wouldn't surprise me either; some of the threads by RN's and Doctor's here on the board have talked about this problem of Ebola looking just like other less horrifying diseases at first; my husband has talked about it also. This is one of the most dangerous things about the disease because even if it ultimately proves to be a difficult to catch as first thought (the jury is still out on that one) ER doctor's and nurses; or medical staff in closed situations like a cruise ship are at the most risk simply because they can't do ER work in a moon suit (at least not for long) and flu season is almost upon us. Ditto in places like airplanes or cruise ships, it is very common for people to suddenly become acutely ill with vomiting or the runs; that can from a number of causes from food poisoning to a reaction to altitude. I came down with the vomiting crude and a high fever once on a plane going from Denver to the East Coast; I went to the doctor on the East Coast and turned out to have both the flu and Strep Throat (I was told that was very unusual) and friends had to try to find an open pharmacy on Thanksgiving day! Back then it was just very uncomfortable and I so did not want to make anyone else on the flight sick, stewardesses told me it happened all the time and that's what the "barf bags" were for.
Now, people are understandably terrified everytime someone on a plane has an altitude reaction and throws up or a stress reaction from attending a relatives funeral and is stuck in the bathroom for an hour. The problem is, without a test, there is simply no way to tell what is really going on and that makes this all the more scary.
This is also why I keep stressing that we need to stop blaming health care workers for the situation, especially in the early days when they are just following the advice they were given in terms of traveling or going to the grocery store. As things go along, it becomes obvious that the advice has been "wrong" and from then on, people have a better idea of what they can and can't do after a possible exposure.
The CDC kicked this whole thing off with their cryptic "protocol breach" in that first news conference that seemed to implicate the nurse had made a mistake; all weasel words since then can't change the fact that, that is how they tried to spin it, you can just tell.
And yes, people don't always use the best judgment but when the CDC tells you it is OK to take a cruise you've probably paid thousands for or to go ahead and fly off to plan your wedding; people are usually going to to that. Especially if it confirms it is "OK" to do what they want to do anyway; we now know that the CDC had at the very least an extreme case of normalcy bias (or worse).
In any case, the problem existed all right, at least until they got a negative test; they need that 10 minute test and they also have to establish just now sick a person needs to be before they are dangerous; which I don't think the really have yet.
I am not saying that is what happened, but it wouldn't surprise me either; some of the threads by RN's and Doctor's here on the board have talked about this problem of Ebola looking just like other less horrifying diseases at first; my husband has talked about it also. This is one of the most dangerous things about the disease because even if it ultimately proves to be a difficult to catch as first thought (the jury is still out on that one) ER doctor's and nurses; or medical staff in closed situations like a cruise ship are at the most risk simply because they can't do ER work in a moon suit (at least not for long) and flu season is almost upon us. Ditto in places like airplanes or cruise ships, it is very common for people to suddenly become acutely ill with vomiting or the runs; that can from a number of causes from food poisoning to a reaction to altitude. I came down with the vomiting crude and a high fever once on a plane going from Denver to the East Coast; I went to the doctor on the East Coast and turned out to have both the flu and Strep Throat (I was told that was very unusual) and friends had to try to find an open pharmacy on Thanksgiving day! Back then it was just very uncomfortable and I so did not want to make anyone else on the flight sick, stewardesses told me it happened all the time and that's what the "barf bags" were for.
Now, people are understandably terrified everytime someone on a plane has an altitude reaction and throws up or a stress reaction from attending a relatives funeral and is stuck in the bathroom for an hour. The problem is, without a test, there is simply no way to tell what is really going on and that makes this all the more scary.
This is also why I keep stressing that we need to stop blaming health care workers for the situation, especially in the early days when they are just following the advice they were given in terms of traveling or going to the grocery store. As things go along, it becomes obvious that the advice has been "wrong" and from then on, people have a better idea of what they can and can't do after a possible exposure.
The CDC kicked this whole thing off with their cryptic "protocol breach" in that first news conference that seemed to implicate the nurse had made a mistake; all weasel words since then can't change the fact that, that is how they tried to spin it, you can just tell.
And yes, people don't always use the best judgment but when the CDC tells you it is OK to take a cruise you've probably paid thousands for or to go ahead and fly off to plan your wedding; people are usually going to to that. Especially if it confirms it is "OK" to do what they want to do anyway; we now know that the CDC had at the very least an extreme case of normalcy bias (or worse).
In any case, the problem existed all right, at least until they got a negative test; they need that 10 minute test and they also have to establish just now sick a person needs to be before they are dangerous; which I don't think the really have yet.
I totally agree with Countrymouse - It seems like an awful lot of effort for someone that wasn't showing any symptoms. I would like to see if he really did drive herself as it's reported...
anyway here's what that reporter on board posted they got when leaving the ship:
anyway here's what that reporter on board posted they got when leaving the ship:
vessie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hmmm... "4. Your fellow passenger, although feeling well, agreed to voluntarily isolate in the ship's cabin for the remainder of the cruise..."
Meaning, she and her husband were in a confined space which shares the same air exchange with all the other cabins...
Yes, I've seen direct contact with body fluids of someone sick when they sneezed with the light in front of them and I could see the 'body fluids' which were expelled with tremendous force, out their mouths a good 7+ feet.
Particulates can float in the air for quite some time just like dust motes.
Just say'in... V
Meaning, she and her husband were in a confined space which shares the same air exchange with all the other cabins...
Yes, I've seen direct contact with body fluids of someone sick when they sneezed with the light in front of them and I could see the 'body fluids' which were expelled with tremendous force, out their mouths a good 7+ feet.
Particulates can float in the air for quite some time just like dust motes.
Just say'in... V