HEALTH Which vaccines are safe?

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The ongoing controversies regarding the Covid vaccines (and no, I haven't had one and refuse to get one) have led me to wonder what other vaccines might be harmful.

Other than tetanus (twice since Hurricane Katrina), I haven't had any vaccines since my earlier adulthood. When I was deployed with the old South African Army we had various injections, but after all these decades, I don't remember what they were. Other than that, I had the usual childhood vaccines (polio and other pediatric vaxes) as a child.

So, what vaccines do readers here consider to be safe (if any)? I welcome replies from everyone on this thread, but if you have special medical or scientific expertise please note that in your post.

Best
Doc
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
I don't know, but have you ever seen the massive list of vaccines they give to babies today by the time they are 6 months old?

I will not even let the vets give my dogs a rabies vaccine with any other vaccine. My last GSD was given her last distemper/parvo when I imported her from Europe at 2 years of age. After that I would titer her every other year and at 14 she was still covered. Many vets still try to give vaccines every year when they know damn well it is unnecessary.

I am not anti vaccine at all but I am very much anti give unnecessary vaccines.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
I used to get the annual flu shot. Considering what went on with the covid crap, that one is now questionable. The problem is the government has a issue with the truth and the medical community willingly believes any and all they are told, probably because there are dollar signs along the way. This makes any shots suspect.
 

Terrwyn

Veteran Member
I got the flu vaccine for years and never had a problem. Then I saw you could get a mercury free one I think it was. Cost me more. So that one at age 65 was the straw that broke the camels back. Don't know what went wrong with it but it almost killed me.
Never had any other shots as I had all the childhood diseases including polio.
 

Terrwyn

Veteran Member
I got the flu vaccine for years and never had a problem. Then I saw you could get a mercury free one I think it was. Cost me more. So that one at age 65 was the straw that broke the camels back. Don't know what went wrong with it but it almost killed me.
Never had any other shots as I had all the childhood diseases including polio.
Forgot I did have the smallpox one.
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
I don’t think any of them are safe. I mean, there’s a part of me once upon a time that would have thought the “old school” vaccines are safe. Smallpox, MMR, etc. But do we really know for sure? What if vaccines are the root cause of cancer nowadays? We’ve all come to accept that cancer is rampant and a part of life, that at some point we or someone we know and love will get it. But WHY is cancer so prevalent? Is it just chemicals in our food and toiletries and in our homes? Maybe. But maybe it’s something more.

In any case, I certainly wouldn’t trust any vaccines made today. Call me crazy, but I think the powers that be in the govt and big pharma are way, way more corrupted and sinister than they were 50 years ago.
 

Farmgal

Senior Member
I am not anti-vac. I understand the need for vacs that have virtually wiped out disease that has a high death rate or debilitating effects. Medical and scientific advances have greatly aided quality of life and longevity.

With Covid, I am unwilling to take the vac...... I think Covid may be less harmful to me than the vaccine. We don't even know, at this point, if a corona-virus was manipulated in a lab or naturally occurring. So therefore, I don't trust the Covid vac. I would take a tetanus shot.
 

libertylover

Contributing Member
It really depends on the person getting the vaccine and their genetics. Some people have adverse reactions to the adjuvants in the vaccine, which are added to bring about a stronger immune response. Along with pricking the immune system, our bodies have to get rid of the toxins (adjuvants). A child born today is supposed to get around 70. That does not include the upcoming covid varieties. How are their little bodies supposed to process that amount of toxic overload without it being a detriment to their health? Having a medical background really doesn’t mean anything. Most of the nurses/doctors I know follow the CDC and American Pediatric Association guidelines without doing their own research.
 

TxGal

Day by day
I'm glad I'm not the only thinking enough is enough. I had the first pneumonia vax in 2019 with no problems. Had the 2nd one this spring and had a huge site reaction with very large, red swelling and a red line under it, looked like I was hit with a softball. Two days later I came down with shingles. That's it, I'm done.

I had a tetantus booster nine years ago, and I'd thought I might take that one again. Now, I don't think so, I did a search online and apparently, from what I've read, the belief in the UK is that once all the childhood vaxes are complete they don't need to be boostered, at least not tetanus. Maybe Melodi or others overseas can confirm that.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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I am not anti-vac. I understand the need for vacs that have virtually wiped out disease that has a high death rate or debilitating effects. Medical and scientific advances have greatly aided quality of life and longevity.

With Covid, I am unwilling to take the vac...... I think Covid may be less harmful to me than the vaccine. We don't even know, at this point, if a corona-virus was manipulated in a lab or naturally occurring. So therefore, I don't trust the Covid vac. I would take a tetanus shot.
I used to think that, but after reading a bit of history, I have now concluded that electricity has virtually wiped out those diseases.
Having sanitation, a clean food and water supply and indoor heating and cooling has pretty much kept diseases at bay.
Consider this; we are protected from a lot of the pests that carry diseases, by having a climate controlled home.
What I've read is that as these things came to be available to most of the population, diseases decreased accordingly.
Vaccines coincidentally increased as disease decreased, but they seem not to be a causal factor.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
I get 'em as recommended by my doc, who knows I check out everything he says. I have him well trained.

Never had any problem. Recently: tetanus, flu, pneumonia, shingles and Covid. I've also been vaxed for rabies in the past.
Still ticking. :shr:
 
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ChicagoMan74

ULTRA MAGA
Whole extended family has had the Pfizer shot, age ranges of 13 to 68, some got it as early as mid-March '21. At least a couple dozen work colleagues rcvd the Pfizer or the J&J vax. Absolutely no issues with any of them other than sore arms/mild fatigue for a couple days for some of them.
 

Keric4

Contributing Member
My 18 ye old reacted very badly to his first DTap. He arched his back and screamed for hours. (You know how an opera singer songs and holds that one note for the longest time?). He then threw up and developed a temp of 101, shortly there after. His desk said it was a normal reaction. ( My foot is was!). He's been diagnosed with Asperger's and Depression. He hadn't had any vaccines until now, when he turned 18 and wanted to get a Covid shot, so he could go to Canada to visit his friend. I washed my hands and told him, " You're 18 now and you live with whatever decisions you make".

Thank God, he hasn't had any side effects.
 

Keric4

Contributing Member
My 18 ye old reacted very badly to his first DTap. He arched his back and screamed for hours. (You know how an opera singer songs and holds that one note for the longest time?). He then threw up and developed a temp of 101, shortly there after. His desk said it was a normal reaction. ( My foot is was!). He's been diagnosed with Asperger's and Depression. He hadn't had any vaccines until now, when he turned 18 and wanted to get a Covid shot, so he could go to Canada to visit his friend. I washed my hands and told him, " You're 18 now and you live with whatever decisions you make".

Thank God, he hasn't had any side effects.


Meant to say " his Dr"
 

Sicario

The Executor
Any other old-timers here remember these?

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I had this used on me once. That F***ING injection site was visible and itched for over 40 years! It's gone now though...
 

raven

TB Fanatic
I think they all present risk especially if the directions include a list of adverse side affects.
If they say they have adverse side affects why would you not believe it.

A more important question is which do you find necessary because of the life risks you take.
I went on a trip to South America. Yellow Fever was required. I took it.

Flu shot. They tell you outright that they are guessing. The do not know which variant of flu will be predominant so they guess and then include 3 or 4 variants in the shot. They have never guessed correctly. My personal opinion is the flu shot is like a 6th place trophy - not a winner.
 
There is no testing done to see if folks, especially children, are at risk from vaccines. One must just comply. And if harm is done? There is no recourse against the doctors or big pharma with the exception of a publicly funded payout through VAERS. And that is an epic battle to make. Still, parents are ridiculed and shamed for doing their due diligence and protecting their children, whom they know best. Ate they safe? For some maybe even most, but not across the board for every Individual.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I've become more vaccine averse as the years go by and I don't trust anything about the Covid vaxes. I mentioned that I did get a tetanus vax after Katrina and a few years ago when I sustained an injury.

My old house was at Katrina's ground zero and the devastation was unbelievable. The ground was covered in sharp and infectious debris, so yeah, I got the tetanus vax. Other than that, no more vaxes for me!

Best
Doc
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Whole extended family has had the Pfizer shot, age ranges of 13 to 68, some got it as early as mid-March '21. At least a couple dozen work colleagues rcvd the Pfizer or the J&J vax. Absolutely no issues with any of them other than sore arms/mild fatigue for a couple days for some of them.
Yet. Patience, grasshopper.
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
I have only had a couple of tetanus shots as an adult, except for one flue shot 50 years ago.
Had the "normal" vaccines as a kid in the 50s, what, 4? 5?

Could it be related that the severe lack of vaccines is why at the age of 74 I take no daily prescriptions, and only have occassional gout(twice in 4 years)? Could be.
DH.....same.
 
Hogwash. Why do you think it takes so long for new stuff to get FDA approval? Clinical trials.
You completely miss my point. When a child or anyone is taken to the doctor for vaccines there is NO testing or even discussion about whether the vaccines are safe for that INDIVIDUAL. I know this as fact from my own experience. Medicine, all medicine, is not a one fits all, period. The FDA and CDC are corrupt with a revolving door of former big pharma shills in positions of power. Place your trust in them. I don't.
 

Weps

Veteran Member
I have no formal medical or scientific expertise outside of some first responder/disaster response (SAR, USAR) basic & advanced first aid, mass causality training (recovery & triage), and traumatic bleed control.

I'm not anti-vax; however with that said, I hold the opinion that it's every adult individual's (or in the case of children, their parents or legal guardians and ONLY their parents or legal guardians) responsibility (and right) to inform themselves on the risk-vs-benefit of various vaccines without outside influence, force, or coercion.

Vaccines are treated the same as the rest of modern pharmaceutical medicine; "one size fits all"...which is ridiculous, stupid, and dangerous. Sure, we all share biological basics, but each person has individual specific needs and considerations for their health and treating an injectable that can result in death as if it's a hat size is irresponsible and unethical. That it's a monumental task to sue a pharmaceutical company and that the government has the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is telling.

As I said, I'm not anti-vax. If a virus with a high morality and infection rate was burning it's way through the population, I'd most likely get the vaccine for it...assuming the vaccine was properly tested and shown to have minimal adverse effects.

At this juncture, I'm assuming anything concerning vaccines or disease mitigation coming from a concurrent government organ or any institution that receives government money...is a bald faced lie derived to drive a political agenda and achieve some political goal.

What really has me on guard is that past vaccine campaigns were halted and the vaccines destroyed if even JUST a minute, minimal amount of adverse effects were seen in the recently vaccinated, but with COVID vaccines the skyrocketing adverse effects and deaths are being ignore, as unfathomable efforts are being taken by government, corporations, and the medical community to persuade, coercion, guilt, force, threaten and shame people into getting this mRNA injection as soon as possible, with no guarantee of reduced symptoms, and no ability to prevent transmission or infection. All the while the government has paid for EVERY. SINGLE. SHOT. ensuring that the manufactures have raked in billions and have been protected from DAY ONE from being sued or adjudicated against.

Everything we've been told regarding COVID or the COVID vaccines has been nothing, but lies, upon lies, upon lies...lies to drive a political engine to grant extrajudicial, unconstitutional power and authority that hasn't been exercised on such a massive scale since the Second World War.
 

marymonde

Veteran Member
I used to think that, but after reading a bit of history, I have now concluded that electricity has virtually wiped out those diseases.
Having sanitation, a clean food and water supply and indoor heating and cooling has pretty much kept diseases at bay.
Consider this; we are protected from a lot of the pests that carry diseases, by having a climate controlled home.
What I've read is that as these things came to be available to most of the population, diseases decreased accordingly.
Vaccines coincidentally increased as disease decreased, but they seem not to be a causal factor.
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From Vital Statistics of the US. As you can see, measles flatlined before the vaccine was introduced.

I was one of the guinea pigs of the first measles vax. It came out spring of 1963, without any studies being done. I received the vax when I was 2, and my kidneys started shutting down. My sister, who was 8 months old was infected with measles from me shedding to her. My Mom told me repeatedly no one had measles, there was no outbreak. My sister was the only child around that had the infection. The only thing she could figure out was, she slept next to me and it had to be from me. She said my sister had an extremely high temp and horrific rash.

I found out they took that measles vaccine off the market in 1967 because of all the side effects, which included atypical measles (causing extremely high temps), which is much worse than wild measles, and kidney problems. I’ve had issues with my right kidney my entire life, on and off meds growing up. Since I was little I’ve always had a dull pain in that area.
 

marymonde

Veteran Member
Speaking of vaccine safety, the Colorado Bar Association sees the writing on the wall...

 
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