HEALTH Which vaccines are safe?

[Looks Harmless]

Had tetanus shot somewhere around 17 years ago. Had a horrible adverse reaction with extreme swelling, body wide inflammation, couldn't use my arm for a week, and generally feeling like I'd been dragged behind a truck. Never again.

 

[Mprepared]

My 18 ye old reacted very badly to his first DTap. He arched his back and screamed for hours. (You know how an opera singer songs and holds that one note for the longest time?). He then threw up and developed a temp of 101, shortly there after. His desk said it was a normal reaction. ( My foot is was!). He's been diagnosed with Asperger's and Depression. He hadn't had any vaccines until now, when he turned 18 and wanted to get a Covid shot, so he could go to Canada to visit his friend. I washed my hands and told him, " You're 18 now and you live with whatever decisions you make".

Thank God, he hasn't had any side effects.

Years ago my friend's grandchild just got her vaccines and did the back arching and screaming, fever. My friend and her husband got on a plane to go be with their daughter and grandchild in the hospital. She got over it, but what a horrible scary thing.

 

[WalknTrot]

You completely miss my point. When a child or anyone is taken to the doctor for vaccines there is NO testing or even discussion about whether the vaccines are safe for that INDIVIDUAL. I know this as fact from my own experience. Medicine, all medicine, is not a one fits all, period. The FDA and CDC are corrupt with a revolving door of former big pharma shills in positions of power. Place your trust in them. I don't.

Pretty much, that's on you. One on one with the doc.

Discuss with the primary care doc about special situations, or your concern about a kid's or your own compatibility with a product or a schedule of immunization. There's nothing wrong with questioning or even browbeating a doc until you get the answers/opinions that satisfy your concern, and you have right of refusal. Gawd knows, I've refused enough recommendations from mine. There are NO concrete answers - always risks involved and you have to weigh them. But it's their job to inform, and part of what you are paying for. Passive patients often get mediocre care.

 

[ChicagoMan74]

As I understand matters a vaccine is derived
from an isolated virus ... which has not yet occurred.
I find this a bit peculiar.

Folks have contracted the "virus" yet the virus has not
been isolated? Hmn.

There is no vaccine.

O.W.

Not true.

Isolation and characterization of SARS-CoV-2 from the first US COVID-19 patient (nih.gov)

Research team has isolated the COVID-19 virus - Sunnybrook Research Institute

 

[Looks Harmless]

Pretty much, that's on you. One on one with the doc.

Discuss with the primary care doc about special situations, or your concern about a kid's or your own compatibility with a product or a schedule of immunization. There's nothing wrong with questioning or even browbeating a doc until you get the answers/opinions that satisfy your concern. It's their job to inform, and part of what you are paying for. Passive patients often get mediocre care.

I am not a passive patient. Your assumptions are, entertaining. Your blatant trust of an obviously corrupted medical industrial complex precludes you from accepting others actual reality.

 

[Jubilee on Earth]

Just a side note, I had lockjaw once. It was not the result of tetanus, but rather from a dental procedure. I felt totally fine, and it came on quite suddenly. I was at lunch with some friends and when my burger arrived, I could not open my mouth wide enough to bite it. I could talk just fine. I could sip though a straw just fine. But I couldn’t even open my mouth wide enough to fit a fork or spoonful of food into it. The freakiest and most terrifying thing I’d ever have happen to me. My oral surgeon said he’s never once seen a case of it in his 30 years of practice, but had heard about it happening. Gave me some strong muscle relaxants and antibiotics. It took about a week to finally loosen up, but I had to drink smoothies through a straw for sustenance the whole time. So yeah… tetanus might be one of those vaccines you DO want to get.

 

[WalknTrot]

I am not a passive patient. Your assumptions are, entertaining. Your blatant trust of an obviously corrupted medical industrial complex precludes you from accepting others actual reality.

Hahaha! You have no idea either. Like I said earlier, I finally got my "new guy" (new 10 years ago) to understand (trained - woof woof) that I'm going to demand stats and info from him about everything, and I will refuse stuff that I deem unnecessary, not worth the side effects or risky for me.

 

[Looks Harmless]

Hahaha! You have no idea either. Like I said earlier, I finally got my "new guy" (new 10 years ago) to understand (trained - woof woof) that I'm going to demand stats and info from him about everything, and I will refuse stuff that I deem unnecessary, not worth the side effects or risky for me.

Good for you. Ever fought with schools because your child should not be vaccinated and when there is no exemption? But please tell me, again who I should trust? Because if you point to a government ABC agency or even big pharma (which is where docs get their talking points and payouts) I'll be even more entertained.

 

[WalknTrot]

Good for you. Ever fought with schools because your child should not be vaccinated and when there is no exemption? But please tell me, again who I should trust? Because if you point to a government ABC agency or even big pharma (which is where docs get their talking points and payouts) I'll be even more entertained.

After gathering info from all sources, weigh the risks and place your bets. Then live with your decision.

 

[Meemur]

Tetanus booster . . . I'm around rusty wire, and even with protective clothing and shoes, accidents happen.

That's about it for now. If I were going to a third-world crap hole or living with human apes, I'd consider some of the other recommended vaccines, but no flu or COVID shots at this point.

Disclaimer: I spend a lot of time outside and have a good diet. I think my immune system is fairly robust, at least in the summer.

 

[Siskiyoumom]

Good for you. Ever fought with schools because your child should not be vaccinated and when there is no exemption? But please tell me, again who I should trust? Because if you point to a government ABC agency or even big pharma (which is where docs get their talking points and payouts) I'll be even more entertained.

Way back in the 1980s I had to advocate on behalf of my son to not have multiple vaccinations at the same appointment.The doctor complied. Then our son was diagnosed at eighteen months with a rare genetic disease. He was due fir his first polio vaccination. Dear husband mentioned that he had never had a single vaccination due to his first generation parents being anti vaccination. Our pediatrician was very concerned that dear husband would contract polio from our son, due to the live virus polio vaccination shedding in our son.. The availability of the “Salk” vaccination in the USA was extremely limited and very expensive costing a couple of hundred dollars. We were able to get an exemption. Considering our son’s extremely short life expectancy we weighed the risks versus and chose to forgo the polio vaccine. We did have a bit of a problem getting approval for our son to attend special education preschool but won our appeal with the state. We do take the tetanus shot when needed.

 

[Oscar Wilde]

Not true.

Appreciate the update, now a mo betta understanding ... seems
odd though that this virus was isolated half way around the
world from which it was engineered and NOT where it was engineered.

Perhaps a viable "vaccine" will be forthcoming eh ... I wouldn't bet on it.

O.W.

 

[ktrapper]

 

[Mprepared]

Maybe there is such a thing as a bad batch. I don't know. I used to raise greyhounds and I had a litter of puppies all get sick after their distemper shots. Their eyes had green stuff so sticky I had to wash their faces with warm rags to unstick their eyes. They sounded congested in lungs and my dad and I would bring them in the house and put them on a massage pad with heat and I think it broke up the congestion. They all lived but I was talking to a man that was asking others if they had any trouble with their distemper shots lately and several other people had the same problem and some had their puppies dying.

Another time, nothing to do with the time period above, a friend of mine had several litters of puppies and they all got their distemper shots same day. Every single one of them developed full blown distemper, even blindness, all died.

I think because of seeing so many dogs all at once it raised the chance of seeing a reaction where if you just had your own dog and went to the vet and got it vaccinated chances a lot slimmer you would see a reaction.

There was about 10 years or more ago I think 3 babies died from getting vaccine from same clinic and they were thinking it was a bad batch.

A friend in Idaho years ago took her baby to the doctor to get her vaccines. She was 3-months old so she had put off getting the vaccines until older because she was born premature. She died the day she had the vaccines. The mother told me she researched and found a connection with premature and red hair. No idea if true, but I lived in Iowa and a neighbor took her kids for their vaccines. She had 3 kids and all three got sick, green runny noses, horrible earaches, one had to have tubes put in and she had a little girl age 3 with red hair, started having grand mal seizures.

Like the tetanus shot. Lots of people get it and fine. I was pregnant and a nurse tried to talk me into having a tetanus shot just because I never had one and according to her, I NEEDED IT RIGHT NOW! I had just listened to a shortwave radio show and heard women in I think Africa were losing their babies because some medical team there came to the town and vaccinated everybody including pregnant women and they start losing their babies. Maybe a tetanus shot would be okay for men, maybe some men, maybe some women, maybe some kids, but does not mean the whole town is ready for a tetanus shot and that is why they give kids multiple shots at once, it is easy and they have the child there and who knows when they will be back, so just get it done and before it would be all spaced out and there was not a billion by the time they were 18. I hear it over and over the Baby Boomers saying, I had my shots and I am fine, well yeah, you had 3 or so spaced out.

Just like the flu shot or the COVID shot, some have no problems. If I took my child to the doctor and he said your child might be okay or might have grand mal seizures or may die, do you still want the shot? My answer would be no. There are warnings but you go to the doctor and you do not read the vaccine insert. Nobody is going to ask you if you still want the shot after they read the label. Everything is rare or a coincidence. No telling how many people really are dead from a vaccine and not a coincidence they just were going to die anyway that day. Maybe vaccines work and maybe they did wipe out all these diseases or like posted above sanitation and other factors played a part. Take your pick of all available, including COVID-19. Look at the list below and see if you really are FULLY vaccinated. I was going to put the whole table to 18 years below but too big lol, so you can check out the link to see if you are FULLY vaccinated. Birth-18 Years Immunization Schedule | CDC


Birth to 15 Months

child vaccine schedule table 1

Vaccine	Birth	1 mo	2 mos	4 mos	6 mos	9 mos	12 mos	15 mos
Pneumococcal polysaccharide (PPSV23)
Hepatitis B (HepB)	1st dose	←2nd dose→		←3rd dose→
Rotavirus (RV) RV1 (2-dose series); RV5 (3-dose series)			1st dose	2nd dose	See notes
Diphtheria, tetanus, & acellular pertussis (DTaP: <7 yrs)			1st dose	2nd dose	3rd dose		←4th dose→
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)			1st dose	2nd dose	See notes		←3rd or 4th dose, See notes→
Pneumococcal conjugate (PCV13)			1st dose	2nd dose	3rd dose		←4th dose→
Inactivated poliovirus (IPV: <18 yrs)			1st dose	2nd dose	←3rd dose→
Influenza (IIV)					Annual vaccination 1 or 2 doses
Influenza (LAIV4)
Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR)					See notes	←1st dose→
Varicella (VAR)							←1st dose→
Hepatitis A (HepA)					See notes	←2-dose series, See notes→
Tetanus, diphtheria, & acellular pertussis (Tdap: ≥7 yrs)
Human papillomavirus (HPV)
Meningococcal (MenACWY-D ≥9 mos, MenACWY-CRM ≥2 mos, MenACWY-TT ≥2years)			See notes
Meningococcal B (MenB)

 

[Mprepared]

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There is a video somewhere made years ago of some laughing scientist talking about cancer in some vaccine made from monkeys and they were trying to get some other monkey that did not have cancer genes or something.

 

[Oscar Wilde]

Father provided us a means to counter infectious
maladies.

Not everyone lives, the only guarantee is that we will all
eventually die.

Man's arrogance has given many cause to consider that
we all can live but then is this life worth living?

O.W.

 

[Tristan]

I don’t think any of them are safe. I mean, there’s a part of me once upon a time that would have thought the “old school” vaccines are safe. Smallpox, MMR, etc. But do we really know for sure? What if vaccines are the root cause of cancer nowadays? We’ve all come to accept that cancer is rampant and a part of life, that at some point we or someone we know and love will get it. But WHY is cancer so prevalent? Is it just chemicals in our food and toiletries and in our homes? Maybe. But maybe it’s something more.

In any case, I certainly wouldn’t trust any vaccines made today. Call me crazy, but I think the powers that be in the govt and big pharma are way, way more corrupted and sinister than they were 50 years ago.

There's a Dr. who asserted that vaccines were the root cause the explosion in cases of the big C.

ETA: it's Judy Mikovits, and my statement above was based on an interview I watched; don't have the link any more. (Thanks to a different post by Doz for the reminder...)

Whether she's on to something or a loon misinformed, I cannot say.

Can't remember her name... she was involved in the discovery of the HIV virus, and Fauxi was somehow involved in withholding their work till his associate published first, according to the story. (IIRC)

 

[Walrus Whisperer]

As I understand matters a vaccine is derived
from an isolated virus ... which has not yet occurred.
I find this a bit peculiar.

Folks have contracted the "virus" yet the virus has not
been isolated? Hmn.

There is no vaccine.

O.W.

It's a "kill" shot.

 

[rob0126]

Years ago, once I learned that the FDA is corrupt, I stopped trusting .gov.

 

[Tristan]

It really depends on the person getting the vaccine and their genetics. Some people have adverse reactions to the adjuvants in the vaccine, which are added to bring about a stronger immune response. Along with pricking the immune system, our bodies have to get rid of the toxins (adjuvants). A child born today is supposed to get around 70. That does not include the upcoming covid varieties. How are their little bodies supposed to process that amount of toxic overload without it being a detriment to their health? Having a medical background really doesn’t mean anything. Most of the nurses/doctors I know follow the CDC and American Pediatric Association guidelines without doing their own research.

"Most of the nurses/doctors I know follow the CDC and American Pediatric Association guidelines without doing their own research."

I call this "Reliance on Trusted Authority".

The concept has really taken a hard hit the past 24 months, IMO.

 

[Intestinal Fortitude]

I recommend the
Pneumonia vaccine

It is the medical industry's best kept secret

 

[Chapulin]

Some of you may want to check with your Doctor. The amount of Dr. Google in this thread is apparent.

 

[Dozdoats]

Read Dr. Judy Mikovits and decide for yourself. You don't know what you don't know.

Plague of Corruption: Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science (Children’s Health Defense): Mikovits, Judy, Heckenlively, Kent, Kennedy, Robert Jr. F.: 9781510752245: Amazon.com: Books

Plague of Corruption: Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science (Children’s Health Defense) [Mikovits, Judy, Heckenlively, Kent, Kennedy, Robert Jr. F.] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Plague of Corruption: Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science (Children’s Health Defense)

www.amazon.com

 

[libertylover]

That's about what nurses say to parents who have researched and know more than the nurse, after their child had an adverse reaction to a vaccine. Most nurses think they know more than the parent who has done the research. ETA - this was in response to the Dr. google comment.

 

[Border Collie Dad]

Not true.

Isolation and characterization of SARS-CoV-2 from the first US COVID-19 patient (nih.gov)

Research team has isolated the COVID-19 virus - Sunnybrook Research Institute

Your second link is not proof.
Just a statement.

I'm reviewing your first link.

In the mean time, here's a link that contradicts it

Dr. Andrew Kaufman refutes “isolation” of SARS-Cov-2; he does step-by-step analysis of a typical claim of isolation; there is no proof that the virus exists « Jon Rappoport's Blog

blog.nomorefakenews.com

There are numerous Freedom of Information requests that request proof of an isolated virus drom CDC, Canadian health officials, and more that can't seem to find this proof

 

[Tristan]

Don't know if this has been posted yet; Bret Weinstein has been doing important work lately...

From Bret's DarkHorse podcast, a discussion with Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNyAovuUxro

rt: 1:47:44

"Geert Vanden Bossche is a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine who has specialist expertise in virology and vaccinology, Geert has worked in industry in the construction of vaccines, and in the non profit sector working to bring immunity to larger numbers of people."

 

[Jeff B.]

The ongoing controversies regarding the Covid vaccines (and no, I haven't had one and refuse to get one) have led me to wonder what other vaccines might be harmful.

Other than tetanus (twice since Hurricane Katrina), I haven't had any vaccines since my earlier adulthood. When I was deployed with the old South African Army we had various injections, but after all these decades, I don't remember what they were. Other than that, I had the usual childhood vaccines (polio and other pediatric vaxes) as a child.

So, what vaccines do readers here consider to be safe (if any)? I welcome replies from everyone on this thread, but if you have special medical or scientific expertise please note that in your post.

Best
Doc

Likewise, while entering the US Army, I got a number of injections.

When Ronald Rayguns was menacing the Ortegas, my unit prepped for overseas movement and we got a butt load of shots, I recall, Yellow Fever, Typhoid, Gamma Globulin and plague. We were sick as dogs with a day.

Jeff B.

 

[Binkerthebear]

I’m guessing the Novavax Covid shot is very safe for the simple reason that the FDA is stalling its approval.

 

[Tristan]

Dr. Been has been posting many informative vids lately:


Vaccine Caused Clotting - Study Finds The Mechanism

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsRgRP1Oou0


rt: 39:41

The title is the summary. eta: it's a technical discussion as to the mechanism how the observed blood clotting is happening. From an 'accepted' peer review scientific paper.

 

[aznurse]

Agree with Weps. Also, go to mercola.com for factual information.

 

[raven]

Basically,
the vaccine
for any disease that you personally believe you are going to die from
is safe (don't even bother to question it)
and therefore
everyone on the planet must be forced to take it
to prevent YOUR personal death

however, any free behavior modifications
that have been show to
decrease the probability of acquiring any disease
are not required
and in fact, not recommended
because you simply don't want to

so go get your vaccine
after you hit McDonalds
priorities

 

[Coulter]

Yeah yeah yeah...The best DOOM is always 6 months out.™

Ask the Jews if they agree with you.

 

[Coulter]

Just FYI...it’s difficult to get just a tetanus vaccine alone. It’s usually in a DTAP, DPT, or DT vax.

Who knows maybe a Cov19 mixed in there as well.
And I don't mean the saline cov19 shot.

 

[Mary Contrary]

[QUOTE="Sherrynboo, post: 8596946, member
I don't take any either, not even tetanus.
[/QUOTE]
I don't take any. No tetanus. No flu. No rabies. I do give the dogs rabies shots though.

 

[Mary Contrary]

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I think the tetanus one is worth it. Likewise, I'd get my kids the smallpox one if I could; some evil b****d is eventually going to let that killer loose again.
[/QUOTES
I was sick with fear of needles when smallpox vaccine came out in 1958. I was so scared of needles that I vomited in school standing in line waiting for my smallpox shot. Now I'm sorry i missed it. I wouldn't trust the shots these days anyway so won't get one.

 

[ChicagoMan74]

Ask the Jews if they agree with you.

LMAO.
Thats so far out of context its silly.

 

[9idrr]

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His google-foo was weak. Hieroglyphics keyboard didn't work, huh, or he'd have found these?

Oldest Known Cancer Cases Found in Egyptian Mummies

The oldest known cases of multiple myeloma and breast cancer have been discovered in two Egyptian mummies which were found in the pharaonic necropolis of Qubbet el-Hawa in Aswan, Egypt.

www.oncnursingnews.com

Cancer Found in 2,000-Year-Old Mummy

Prostate cancer,‭ ‬one of the most common types of modern malignancies,‭ ‬did affect the ancient Egyptians,‭ ‬according to a radiological investigation of a‭ 2,250‭ ‬year old-mummy.

www.nbcnews.com

These Skeletons from an Ancient Egypt Cemetery Were Riddled with Cancer

Archaeologists have uncovered six cases of cancer while studying the bodies of ancient Egyptians who were buried long ago in the Dakhleh Oasis.

www.livescience.com

Folks are gonna believe what they're gonna believe, and don't let facts get in the way.
YMMV

 

[Mary Contrary]

I'm glad I'm not the only thinking enough is enough. I had the first pneumonia vax in 2019 with no problems. Had the 2nd one this spring and had a huge site reaction with very large, red swelling and a red line under it, looked like I was hit with a softball. Two days later I came down with shingles. That's it, I'm done.

I had a tetantus booster nine years ago, and I'd thought I might take that one again. Now, I don't think so, I did a search online and apparently, from what I've read, the belief in the UK is that once all the childhood vaxes are complete they don't need to be boostered, at least not tetanus. Maybe Melodi or others overseas can confirm that.

I was told by doctor that tetnanus shot lasts ten yrs.

 

[Mary Contrary]

I used to think that, but after reading a bit of history, I have now concluded that electricity has virtually wiped out those diseases.
Having sanitation, a clean food and water supply and indoor heating and cooling has pretty much kept diseases at bay.
Consider this; we are protected from a lot of the pests that carry diseases, by having a climate controlled home.
What I've read is that as these things came to be available to most of the population, diseases decreased accordingly.
Vaccines coincidentally increased as disease decreased, but they seem not to be a causal factor.

I agree. I read about those statistics too.

 

[Jubilee on Earth]

His google-foo was weak. Hieroglyphics keyboard didn't work, huh, or he'd have found these?

Oldest Known Cancer Cases Found in Egyptian Mummies

The oldest known cases of multiple myeloma and breast cancer have been discovered in two Egyptian mummies which were found in the pharaonic necropolis of Qubbet el-Hawa in Aswan, Egypt.

www.oncnursingnews.com

Cancer Found in 2,000-Year-Old Mummy

Prostate cancer,‭ ‬one of the most common types of modern malignancies,‭ ‬did affect the ancient Egyptians,‭ ‬according to a radiological investigation of a‭ 2,250‭ ‬year old-mummy.

www.nbcnews.com

These Skeletons from an Ancient Egypt Cemetery Were Riddled with Cancer

Archaeologists have uncovered six cases of cancer while studying the bodies of ancient Egyptians who were buried long ago in the Dakhleh Oasis.

www.livescience.com

Folks are gonna believe what they're gonna believe, and don't let facts get in the way.
YMMV

I think the point is that while cancer may have existed in the past, it certainly wasn’t as commonplace as it is now. I’m willing to bet there isn’t a single person in this country who doesn’t know someone who died of cancer. And I’m also willing to bet that when my grandpa was young in the 20s and 30s, most everyone didn’t know a single soul that died of cancer. That’s a huge 180 in only 100 years.