INTL Harry and Meghan plan to do things their way.

Oh Lordy, this is really funny.

The Duchess of Sussex is the butt of a string of catty quips in the new television series, "The New Pope", which premieres on HBO and Sky Atlantic Monday.

The timing of the show -- the follow-up to "The Young Pope" -- could not be worse for the American actress, whose bombshell announcement that she and Prince Harry were stepping back from frontline royal duties, has rocked the British monarchy.

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thompson said:

So he's they're essentially resorting to blackmail to get his their her way.

Poor form.

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last updated: 13/01/2020 - 18:29

Queen Elizabeth II says she supports the decision of her son, Prince Harry, and his wife Meghan Markle to step away from Britain's royal family and carve out a new life in the UK and Canada.

In a statement released by the palace on Monday, she said the royal family had had "constructive discussions" on the future of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, and was "entirely supportive' of their desire to create a new life as a young family."


"Although we would have preferred them to remain full-time working Members of the Royal Family, we respect and understand their wish to live a more independent life as a family while remaining a valued part of my family," the statement said.

"Harry and Meghan have made clear that they do not want to be reliant on public funds in their new lives. It has therefore been agreed that there will be a period of transition in which the Sussexes will spend time in Canada and the UK.

"These are complex matters for my family to resolve, and there is some more work to be done, but I have asked for final decisions to be reached in the coming days."

Harry and Meghan took Britain by surprise last week when they announced that they would be stepping back as members of the royal family. Meghan later flew back to Canada to be with the couple's eight month old son, Archie.


Harry, 35, is one of the most popular members of the British royal family and has long had a difficult relationship with the UK media, particularly in the wake of negative coverage of his wife during their marriage and her pregnancy last year.

As recently as Monday, Harry and his brother, Prince William, lodged a formal complaint against a UK newspaper for its coverage over recent days.

Maybe they make her Queen of Canada.
(participation trophy kind of thing)

Queen agrees to let Harry, Meghan move part-time to Canada

By FRANK AUGSTEIN and DANICA KIRKA
January 13, 2020 GMT

SANDRINGHAM, England (AP) — Queen Elizabeth II agreed Monday to grant Prince Harry and and his wife Meghan their wish for a more independent life, allowing them to move part-time to Canada while remaining firmly in the House of Windsor.

The British monarch said in a statement that the summit of senior royals on Monday was “constructive,” and that it had been “agreed that there will be a period of transition″ in which the Duke and Duchess of Sussex will spend time in Canada and the UK.”

The summit at the queen’s Sandringham estate in eastern England marked the first face-to-face talks with Harry since he and Meghan unveiled the controversial plan to step back from their royal roles.

“My family and I are entirely supportive of Harry and Meghan’s desire to create a new life as a young family,″ the queen said in a statement. “Although we would have preferred them to remain full-time working members of the Royal Family, we respect and understand their wish to live a more independent life as a family while remaining a valued part of my family.″

The meeting came after days of intense news coverage, in which supporters of the royal family’s feuding factions used the British media to paint conflicting pictures of who was to blame for the rift.

Buckingham Palace said “a range of possibilities” would be discussed, but the queen was determined to resolve the situation within “days, not weeks.” Buckingham Palace stressed, however, that “any decision will take time to be implemented.”

One of the more fraught questions that needs to be worked out is precisely what it means for a royal to be financially independent and what activities can be undertaken to make money. Other royals who have ventured into the world of commerce have found it complicated.

Prince Andrew, for example, has faced heated questions about his relationship with the late convicted sex offender and financier Jeffrey Epstein. Andrew, the queen’s second son, has relinquished royal duties and patronages after being accused by a woman who says she was an Epstein trafficking victim who slept with the prince.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex also face questions on paying for taxpayer-funded security. Home Secretary Priti Patel refused to comment, but said safety was a priority.

There were signs earlier in the day that the House of Windsor had moved to unite. Princes William and Harry issued a joint statement criticizing a newspaper article on the severe strain in their relationship, calling the story offensive and potentially harmful as they embark on talks regarding the future of the British monarchy.

Though the statement didn’t name the newspaper, the Times of London had a front page story about the crisis in which a source alleged that Harry and Meghan had been pushed away by the “bullying attitude from” William. The joint statement insisted that the story was “false.″

“For brothers who care so deeply about the issues surrounding mental health, the use of inflammatory language in this way is offensive and potentially harmful,” the statement said.

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I've been listening to some of the analysis of the "Sandringham Summit." Basically it isn't any different than what has been said before … fine if they want to leave the monarchy but the details are going to take a while to work out. The "sooner" is just smoothing the family stuff. The "longer" is working out the legalities which Markle and Harry are undoubtedly being naïve about.

Some legal experts are hypothesizing that it is very possible that they will lose their current titles. They may still have titles but it won't be the ones they currently hold because those titles are for "working royals." Harry may also be stripped of some of his official duty titles … such as those the held because of his formal military position. There have been complaints that he hasn't been fulfilling those duties for the past year so yeah, I can see where that is likely to happen. He is losing confidence by the military gents. It is highly likely that their "allowance" will significantly be cut as they will not need it.

Princess Beatrice and her sister pay for their own security details when not performing royal duties so it is also likely that as "nonworking" royals they will have to pay for their own security. Addition to that if they are going to be jet setting about or living for a significant period of time outside of the UK they are going to have to pick it up themselves.

Markle has burnt some bridges that aren't going to be rebuilt. Word has it that Prince Philip is livid. That isn't being fixed. Charles appears to be doing what he can for his mother's the Queen's sake but otherwise there's rumors that they could go with his blessings but without his financial support. Even those on the street that used to think Harry was great and so was his choice of bride are now pretty much … let 'em go and good riddance, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

From a historical perspective this is extremely interesting and those likening it to the Wallis Simpson affair may not be all that far off the mark.

Yep and you were correct, it was already rumored that they will not pay for security although honestly the couple probably will make enough money to pay for it, so it may be a moot point (except from the aspect of greed).

The title thing is iffier because while there is a lot of anger in some quarters and folks who think it should happen, The Firm remembers the public rage when it was taken from Diana (which technically it should have been because she wasn't born with it).

I think if they do take it, especially from Harry who was born with it, it will be because of the crash and really "common" actions on their part that suggest they intend to use those titles as part of their new "brand" to make lots and lots of money.

The UK royal family has worked very hard NOT to let members do that and it was what got both Sophie and Fergie in real trouble and they were doing it behind the scenes.

Branding themselves as "HRH" Celebs (especially in an in your face way) is totally outrageous to many Brits and I think it just really a bad move and consumer exploitation on their parts of the worst kind.

That sort of thing is for tourist shops selling plastic statues of the queen and her corgies, not real trading on real royal titles - at least not in the UK royal family.

I suspect they will be given an unltimatmen - stop using the titles for business purposes or lose them and I think the public will be OK with that one.

The bits and pieces I've been reading closely mirror what you've written. The most outrage comes from Harry's disrespect of his grandmother and grandfather.

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Markle has burnt some bridges that aren't going to be rebuilt. Word has it that Prince Philip is livid. That isn't being fixed. Charles appears to be doing what he can for his mother's the Queen's sake but otherwise there's rumors that they could go with his blessings but without his financial support. Even those on the street that used to think Harry was great and so was his choice of bride are now pretty much … let 'em go and good riddance, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Just a quick note, the Queen, Prince, etc are allowed to provide stickers that say "as approved by Her Majesty" or "Made on the Prince's estates" I don't know all the details but there are strict rules on this that go back to the Middle Ages when such a stamp really meant that say a tailer really did work for the King and a perk of trade was being able to say "from the workshop of his Magisties Tailor"

I don't know how it works today or where that income goes exactly (even I'm not that interested, I live in Ireland, not England) though I used to be a member of one of the earliest Seed Saving organizations we could find over here over 20 years ago and it was sponsored by Prince Charles and the HQ was on his Estates.

Also, I noticed the products when traveling and when we were making silver jewelry as a professional company.

Headline from a very - long Daily Mail Article that is full of photos and other stuff so I'm just posting the link:

Duke and Duchess who? The Queen refers to 'Harry and Meghan' in Sandringham statement in a hint they WILL lose their HRH titles

Hint you can always count on the Daily Mail for reading these sorts of tea leaves, they don't always get it right but they will always be looking and often they do pick up on royal hints pretty well.

Kathy in FL said:

I've been listening to some of the analysis of the "Sandringham Summit." Basically it isn't any different than what has been said before … fine if they want to leave the monarchy but the details are going to take a while to work out. The "sooner" is just smoothing the family stuff. The "longer" is working out the legalities which Markle and Harry are undoubtedly being naïve about.

Some legal experts are hypothesizing that it is very possible that they will lose their current titles. They may still have titles but it won't be the ones they currently hold because those titles are for "working royals." Harry may also be stripped of some of his official duty titles … such as those the held because of his formal military position. There have been complaints that he hasn't been fulfilling those duties for the past year so yeah, I can see where that is likely to happen. He is losing confidence by the military gents. It is highly likely that their "allowance" will significantly be cut as they will not need it.

Princess Beatrice and her sister pay for their own security details when not performing royal duties so it is also likely that as "nonworking" royals they will have to pay for their own security. Addition to that if they are going to be jet setting about or living for a significant period of time outside of the UK they are going to have to pick it up themselves.

Markle has burnt some bridges that aren't going to be rebuilt. Word has it that Prince Philip is livid. That isn't being fixed. Charles appears to be doing what he can for his mother's the Queen's sake but otherwise there's rumors that they could go with his blessings but without his financial support. Even those on the street that used to think Harry was great and so was his choice of bride are now pretty much … let 'em go and good riddance, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

From a historical perspective this is extremely interesting and those likening it to the Wallis Simpson affair may not be all that far off the mark.

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Andrew's daughters are not considered working royals and are not on the payroll.

UK royal titles are very complicated to follow but not everything is at the pleasure of the monarch. Whether the Queen can undo the titles Duke & Duchess of Sussex or not I don't know but he is a Prince by birthright and UK law. Though Harry & Meghan may not want Archie to have a title at this point in his life, upon Charles ascension to the throne Archie by birthright and law will be Prince Archie even if they don't use the term. Edward's kids are not "styled" Prince & Princess per directive from the Queen but by birthright and law they are in fact Prince & Princess. That status automatically bestows upon the children of monarchs and the grandchildren of monarchs via the monarch's sons (but not to the grandchildren via the daughters). If the Queen is able to take away the Duke & Duchess titles and chooses to do so, she'd be forcing Harry to revert to Prince Harry and Meghan then has the option to be called Princess Harry. You can see that with Princess Michael of Kent who is styled that by virtue of her marriage to Prince Michael of Kent.

The UK royals do make for great entertainment.

MountainBiker said:

If the Queen is able to take away the Duke & Duchess titles and chooses to do so, she'd be forcing Harry to revert to Prince Harry and Meghan then has the option to be called Princess Harry.

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Can you even imagine how that would go over with Feminist Markle????? I'd love to be a fly on the wall when THAT idea was floated!

Melodi said:

Just a quick note, the Queen, Prince, etc are allowed to provide stickers that say "as approved by Her Majesty" or "Made on the Prince's estates" I don't know all the details but there are strict rules on this that go back to the Middle Ages when such a stamp really meant that say a tailer really did work for the King and a perk of trade was being able to say "from the workshop of his Magisties Tailor"

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Called a Royal Warrant.

MountainBiker said:

If the Queen is able to take away the Duke & Duchess titles and chooses to do so, she'd be forcing Harry to revert to Prince Harry and Meghan then has the option to be called Princess Harry. You can see that with Princess Michael of Kent who is styled that by virtue of her marriage to Prince Michael of Kent.

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I thought of that situation and chuckled at how it'd go over with Meghan (like a fart in church).

Meg wants to split with the Firm as she hates everyone of them, especially kowtowing to the Queen and Kate, she is ensconced in Canada while Harry has to do the consultations about their future whilst she is on a conference call in Canada objecting to developments that are against her goal of separating Harry from his family.
I do not want to see them becoming some kind of Commonwealth representatives of a long outdated concept.
Harry is pretty ordinary from what I've heard and seen and easily manipulated by Meg who is entirely dominating and has always wanted to split Harry away from the Royals.
Given the situation now, the split is permanent due to Meg marrying Harry for whatever reasons.
I do agree that In the situation they should receive no funding whatsoever from the British Taxpayer in any way shape or form in any agreement regarding their future and that they pay tax due to the UK and Canada as required. If Canada have to pay for security then Meg and Harry should refund it.
Meg could never fulfil the duties of the Royals and should never receive any payment directly or indirectly for them.

FYI I am not a great supporter of the Royal family but people like Meg should either fulfil the duties of her situation or not get involved in the first place.

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What's yellow and lives on dead beetles (Beatles)?
Yoko Ono.

The Queen gave them their titles upon their marriage (Duke and Duchess Sussex as well as the one they use in Scotland) and the Queen can taketh away. If they aren't going to fulfill their royal duties then they shouldn't keep the titles and their patent on Sussex Royal or Royal Sussex should be stripped as well.

Here's a good explanation of who is titled what, and why. And Archie is not automatically guaranteed to be a prince, especially if (1) Harry and Markle do indeed leave the senior royals, and (2) if Charles goes through with his plan to shrink the "royal" family. If he does only direct line grandchildren would be called prince or princess. Harry and his descendants are cut out as "the spare".

And apparently of note to several "royal watchers" they say the fact that the Queen did NOT use their titles when referring to them in her statement is significant.

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Here's a good explanation of who is titled what, and why. And Archie is not automatically guaranteed to be a prince, especially if (1) Harry and Markle do indeed leave the senior royals, and (2) if Charles goes through with his plan to shrink the "royal" family. If he does only direct line grandchildren would be called prince or princess. Harry and his descendants are cut out as "the spare".

What titles will Harry’s wife and children have? – Royal History Geeks

www.royalhistorygeeks.com

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No, the article you posted says upon Charles ascension, Harry's kids would be Prince or Princess which is what I said. Charles could style them as something other than Prince/Princess in the manner that the Queen did with Edward's kids but it doesn't change their birthright under established UK laws on the matter. The sovereign just gets to decide what they would commonly be referred to as. Charles can decide who is a working royal and on the payroll but he can't make Harry not a Prince, unless he gets Parliament to act changing the established rules. The days of English sovereigns having absolute power on such things is long gone. All we're talking about is Harry might not be a working royal anymore. Harry & his kid(s) are absolutely direct line descendants of Charles and Archie will technically be a Prince upon Charles ascension even if he is styled differently for common usage.

Regardless, Harry is the most popular member of the royal family and it would be a big mistake for the rest of that gang to try and punish him title-wise. He holds all the cards on this one.

Today I heard on the radio this is being called "Megsit" (play on Brexit). (I did a forum search for the term and didn't find it, so hopefully this is not old news here.)

Two short (minute or so) videos. Harry isn't holding back.

View: https://twitter.com/meghanysl/status/1215104406225592320


View: https://twitter.com/lvnlavidanardos/status/1215538113516314625

Didn't take meghan all that long to get to harry did it. Stand by, more to come two years or less.
Mike

"“I will not be bullied into playing a game that killed my mom”

He's already banging nonwhites. A bit late to say he won't do the same as his mother did.

Wonder if der Mischling isn't maneuvering the Prince away from the protections of the Royals so she can cash in on the divorce of the century?

von Koehler

MountainBiker said:

No, the article you posted says upon Charles ascension, Harry's kids would be Prince or Princess which is what I said. Charles could style them as something other than Prince/Princess in the manner that the Queen did with Edward's kids but it doesn't change their birthright under established UK laws on the matter. The sovereign just gets to decide what they would commonly be referred to as. Charles can decide who is a working royal and on the payroll but he can't make Harry not a Prince, unless he gets Parliament to act changing the established rules. The days of English sovereigns having absolute power on such things is long gone. All we're talking about is Harry might not be a working royal anymore. Harry & his kid(s) are absolutely direct line descendants of Charles and Archie will technically be a Prince upon Charles ascension even if he is styled differently for common usage.

Regardless, Harry is the most popular member of the royal family and it would be a big mistake for the rest of that gang to try and punish him title-wise. He holds all the cards on this one.

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But more worryingly, there is a third alternative. We hear much talk of Charles wanting to ‘shrink’ the Royal family. While this would be disastrous for Royal watchers like me, there is a chance that he may further restrict HRH to those in direct line of succession – freeing his other descendants from the burden or privilege (depending how you see it) of Royal titles. As such Harry’s children may never be technically considered Royal – although this is entirely speculation.

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Now this was written before Harry was even engaged. And much has been written about Prince Charles desiring a slimmed down royal family. Add in Harry and Markle's stated which to distance themselves from the senior royals and there is an even greater likelihood that there will be no title for Archie and that it is possible that the current duke and duchess of Sussex may have those titles stripped as well.

Yes, it is all speculation - then and now - but certainly possible that some change in title is going to occur. Certainly Markle is going to be cut off from any additional title regardless of who is on the thrown. Her refusal to follow protocol guarantees something. Harry is essentially abdicating is current title and the associated duties that come with the title, as well as the ones placed upon him as a form of honor. I want to see what his reception is going to be as the grand poobah of rugby this coming week. He took that over for his Grandmother, The Queen. If he is a no show that will be a real slap.

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Maybe they make her Queen of Canada.
(participation trophy kind of thing)

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As long as she has to live in Nunavut (and not in the capital town, either.)

Pieces of entitled garbage... The Queen should have kicked them out of the palace and let them fend for themselves.

Harry is "P" whipped and shows complete disrespect for his Grandma...

I loathe the two of them.

Elizabeth is in her 90's, her husband is 98 and in failing health, Britain is going to Hell, and these two snowflakes dump this on her with no warning?

Eff them!!!

Harry and Meghan Want to Move to LA – Once Trump Is Out of Office

Military Losing Respect for Prince Harry, ‘Disgusted at Disrespect to Queen’

Here are a few pics of the Queen of England... Think Harry and his social climbing wench could have lived through these times?

I have nothing but respect for Queen Elizabeth. She served with grace and dignity and compared to today's cowards, who crash the the military recruiting sites because they may be *GASP* drafted to fight for their country, she is the last of a breed of honor.

When she passes from this plane, Britain will surely be lost...

Did I mention...

SCREW HARRY AND HIS WENCH!

They are all yours, Canada...

If they are listening to Okra and the Obummers, they are truly stupid. Oh well.

tanstaafl said:

Today I heard on the radio this is being called "Megsit" (play on Brexit). (I did a forum search for the term and didn't find it, so hopefully this is not old news here.)

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Megxit

Ragnarok said:

Did I mention...

SCREW HARRY AND HIS WENCH!

They are all yours, Canada...

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But coming to LA as soon as the Trump presidency is over.
They might want to leave off searching for a rental just yet

I have to say that even I am getting a bit tired of them, I noticed that almost all of the on-line UK papers this morning did NOT have them as the main story, now in the UK, it is perfectly legal for the government to plant stories or ask that stories be toned down (unlike the US where officially it doesn't happen but there used to be a CIA officer sitting at a desk at all three networks in the newsroom).

I think these two are going to find themselves "Wallace Simpsoned" only with the glamour she had that made her somewhat of a society hostess/fashion pages maven all her life, even though forced to live in exile.

She and Harry may make a lot of money but the cost is going to be a lot higher than she thinks.

If Philip dies in the next couple of months (and he's already ill) or something happens to the elderly Queen, they will get part of the blame guilty or not.

I started out having a lot of sympathy for their situation (and I still have some, especially if Meghan was threatened with having her son taken away which I suspect is possible and/or Harry knows he really isn't Charle's biological son and is tired of pretending and playing that game).

But their actions show they have no patience (or at least Meghan doesn't) and for the first time I suspect the marriage may not last and I suspect that The Firm has decided to bide their time and be ready to "rehabilitate" Harry when/if the divorce happens, not to his current level of "royal" exactly but quietly let back into the family.

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Megxit

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Thanks for the correction! I don't know why, but it didn't cross my mind to spell it that way. In high school we used to call a girl "Mags" so maybe I just assumed she was being called "Megs" and thus only needed an "-it" to complete the snark. Alas, doing the search now reveals that the term has been used repeatedly in this thread and it's no news at all. Sigh ...

Melodi said:

I have to say that even I am getting a bit tired of them, I noticed that almost all of the on-line UK papers this morning did NOT have them as the main story, now in the UK, it is perfectly legal for the government to plant stories or ask that stories be toned down (unlike the US where officially it doesn't happen but there used to be a CIA officer sitting at a desk at all three networks in the newsroom).

I think these two are going to find themselves "Wallace Simpsoned" only with the glamour she had that made her somewhat of a society hostess/fashion pages maven all her life, even though forced to live in exile.

She and Harry may make a lot of money but the cost is going to be a lot higher than she thinks.

If Philip dies in the next couple of months (and he's already ill) or something happens to the elderly Queen, they will get part of the blame guilty or not.

I started out having a lot of sympathy for their situation (and I still have some, especially if Meghan was threatened with having her son taken away which I suspect is possible and/or Harry knows he really isn't Charle's biological son and is tired of pretending and playing that game).

But their actions show they have no patience (or at least Meghan doesn't) and for the first time I suspect the marriage may not last and I suspect that The Firm has decided to bide their time and be ready to "rehabilitate" Harry when/if the divorce happens, not to his current level of "royal" exactly but quietly let back into the family.

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Still cant admit its TNB can you?

tanstaafl said:

Thanks for the correction! I don't know why, but it didn't cross my mind to spell it that way. In high school we used to call a girl "Mags" so maybe I just assumed she was being called "Megs" and thus only needed an "-it" to complete the snark. Alas, doing the search now reveals that the term has been used repeatedly in this thread and it's no news at all. Sigh ...

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Yeah you probably have as much interest in it as I do