EBOLA Get your flu shot now!

LilRose8

Veteran Member
Since the regular old fu is predicted to be a bad one this year, I believe getting a flu shot now will give you an edge to KEEP YOU OUT OF THE HOSPITAL!!!!!!!!!
No one needs to go near those places unless there is a dire emergency.

Give yourself an edge to avoid the serious consequences of flu, like pneumonia, that might drive you into a hospital.
 

auxman

Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit...
Our family chooses not to vaccinate... but this situation is a game-changer... We might have to in order to avoid the ramifications of going to a doctor and automatically being labeled into the Ebola "pool".
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Since the regular old fu is predicted to be a bad one this year, I believe getting a flu shot now will give you an edge to KEEP YOU OUT OF THE HOSPITAL!!!!!!!!!
No one needs to go near those places unless there is a dire emergency.

Give yourself an edge to avoid the serious consequences of flu, like pneumonia, that might drive you into a hospital.

AMEN!

I got my annual flu shot this last Monday. I am also current on pneumonia, tetnus, and everything else.

You -definately- do not want to be caught up in a check point, control point, airport, train station or anywhere else and then get I.D.'d by a thermal scanner and then confined to some holding area screening for Ebola candidates.

Shelter in place is a good tactic but you should still be innoculated in case events force you to travel out in public.
 

AddisonRose

On loan from Heaven
I got mine on Tuesday, first of all it is mandatory for my job; and secondly, I don't want to end up being herded ala Katrina into a designated facility if I should display "ebola-like" symptoms.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
With all the incompetence shown about our medical "community", you folks want to get a vaccination that is less than 30% effective for its intended purpose? It is more likely to make you sick than prevent sickness. You are better off living and eating healthy.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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I got mine on Tuesday, first of all it is mandatory for my job; and secondly, I don't want to end up being herded ala Katrina into a designated facility if I should display "ebola-like" symptoms.

E-CAMP

I just made up a new word!
 

ginnie6

Veteran Member
no flu shots here. If we get it we will simply stay home and I am well stocked on elderberry and vit c.
 

ChicagoMan74

ULTRA MAGA
I don't care how bad Ebola gets, no vaccinations here!!!! Ain't gonna happen
Agreed. I can't understand the causation here. What has changed? The unknowns and assumed efficacy of the yearly flu shot did NOT magically change this year.
If myself or the family get a flu bug...we'll do what we always do...triple down on the vitamin d3 and stay home.
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
With all the incompetence shown about our medical "community", you folks want to get a vaccination that is less than 30% effective for its intended purpose? It is more likely to make you sick than prevent sickness. You are better off living and eating healthy.

BEGGED my dad not to get it....got it last year..tumors on kidneys now...they talked him to getting it again this year SICK as a dog for the past week. My DH friend at work got it...whole family sick..FIL got it Nov. last year (was not supposed to get it but was given it without permission) kidney infection so bad it had numerous not just one bacteria..passed in january.....To each his own...but remember if over 65 it is a stronger shot. (4xstronger I believe).and if you are over 85 it is stronger than the 65. Wouldn't take one unless they held me down and forced it on me...JMHO
 

Nowski

Let's Go Brandon!
I got a flu shot in 1976, when I was getting out of the Navy.

Apparently there was a bad batch, and I got good and sick from it.

I have not taken another flu shot since, and thankfully I haven't
had the flu either.

Be safe everyone.

Regards to all,
Nowski
 

nebb

Veteran Member
Can't trust the PTB about their response to Ebola but are going to trust their flu vac, no thanks. Had the vac years ago and didn't notice any difference one way or the other, never got it again. Vit D3 and control the symptoms with OTC meds.
 

Monty

Veteran Member
Flu shot this coming Tues. Work in too large office buildings, 1600+ people touching all the same buttons and door knobs, think it just makes sense. My wife always resists the kids getting them, we'll see how the conversation goes this year.

I've never had a reaction to the flu shot.
 

Deemy

Veteran Member
I doubt that elbola and the flu is even in the same category...No flu shot here. By the way I found elderberry extract at Walmart last week. Will Stock up on elderberry, Vitamins A,B12 ,C and D. I bpught dried elderberries a month ago at Wild mtn Rose but I have my doubts they still have any in stock
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
I doubt that elbola and the flu is even in the same category...No flu shot here. By the way I found elderberry extract at Walmart last week. Will Stock up on elderberry, Vitamins A,B12 ,C and D. I bpught dried elderberries a month ago at Wild mtn Rose but I have my doubts they still have any in stock

The flu and ebola are not in the same category...but do you want to end up in the hospital with the type A strain flu that is more virulent than last years typeB? I sure will do everything I can proactively to STAY OUT of hospitals.
And by the way, as a nurse, I am required to have one every year and have NEVER had a reaction or problem.
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
Echoing other here who say no way. Haven't had one since 1999. Not going to either. I get sick every time I get one and then get the flu anyway.
Tetanus shots also give me bad side effects. Nada on those either.

Watched a perfectly healthy dog die from vaccinosis leading to cancer, loss of the use of her hind legs at 3 years old.

Nope, not happening. Like someone else said. These people are stupid about the ebola. You trust them on flu shots?

Vit D3, elderberry and eating good things instead of junk food.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Get your flu shot now!

My trust in big pharma is really low and do you really want to trust the lowest bidder? We have no knowledge of what exactly is in those vials do we? We have to take it on complete faith that the vials don't contain anything else that what is stated. Your doctor or nurse can only go by the product insert labeling. And even if the vaccine is what is stated the adjuvants have shown to been a problem with some people and you never know about the quality control.

I know enough about biologicals and the training I had to know it's possible to have a binary biological weapon. You could be injected or consume something that is innocuous and not harmful but at a later time combine it with something else and it becomes deadly. Not saying it is likely or even probable but I know it's been studied in the past as a possibility. At this stage in the game nobody is putting anything into my body unless it's my idea first and I do due diligence in advance. It's a sad thing but I have no faith in the system anymore. YMMV
 

intowolves

Veteran Member
Well I broke down and got one because of a stupid bet with my g/f, but Atleast I made em give me the mercury free one. This is my first year ever getting one so I'll see how it goes
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
Another sign for the Walgreens parking lot.

Flu Shot
Shingle Shot
DPT Shot
Ebola Shot

You'd be so pumped full of chemicals, might be mistaken for one of those zombies.
 

eens

Nuns with Guns
Another sign for the Walgreens parking lot.

Flu Shot
Shingle Shot
DPT Shot
Ebola Shot

You'd be so pumped full of chemicals, might be mistaken for one of those zombies.


WTH!!!??? There is no ebola shot... $$$$$$$$$
 

BetterLateThanNever

Veteran Member
I had my annual flu shot last week which is required at the hospital
that I work at.
I have had no problems in the past and can only hope for the best.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
OC gets his through work. My allergist told me to avoid it at all costs and if I really feel led to have one then I need to be admitted to the hospital for observation after getting the shot. Seems I'm allergic to four or five of the ingrediants in the shot, according to the allergist, the last time I had one I blew up like a balloon within five minutes of getting it which is a rather unpleasant feeling.
 

SAPPHIRE

Veteran Member
NEVER WON'T HAPPEN............if the CDC and our DEECEE devils don't care about spreading Ebola...............how can anyone think the d#mn vacs are good for you?????? I will not willingly take their poison...........
 

CRodgers

אני תומך
Sheep you better get your vaccines, time is running out!

bill-gates-2-vaccine.jpg


/sarcasm off

First off, there is no strain defined on what type of flu virus will be running around this year but yet you will be vaccinated with a best guess of what might work and lower your immune system at the same time by inoculating mercury at the same time and lowering your immune system to other things... like ebola.


Yeah I will pass.
 

TerriHaute

Hoosier Gardener
DH and I both got the flu shot this year. DH gets one at work and I got one at CVS yesterday. I am feeling some general achiness and tenderness in my shoulder today, but an over the counter pain reliever takes away most of the discomfort. This is a typical side effect from a flu shot for me and goes away in a couple of days. I have not had the bad flu in many years and usually get an annual flu shot. I hope they guessed right on the flu strains that will be floating around this year.

I worked in big pharma for a long time before retiring and know first hand the quality control that goes into the manufacture of medicines, at least where I worked. I have confidence that the vaccines are safe. Pharma does not make money on vaccines, they are produced as a public service. They are lucky if they break even on the cost.
 

end game

Veteran Member
Now which strain flu is the vaccine for? I got the speech from the in-laws when I got the flu a couple of years ago. On and on about how I was putting myself and our family in peril by not doing any vaccinations. I listened to this for some time until I informed them that the vaccine was for type A and what I had was type B.
 
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Genevieve

working on it
I won't be getting the flu shot this year just like every year. I'd rather get the flu and build natural immunities.
Hubby will be getting it because it's mandatory for his work (hospital).

I've doubled up my vit D, and I've also started colloidal silver this week. I also have some elderberry syrup.

I'll just do what I do every cold/flu season: use high alcohol content hand sanitizer,bitch at people who don't/won't cover their mouths and noses when they're hacking and sneezing in public ( I'll embarrass you if you're with me the way I yell at people lol), wipe down all carts I use and wash my hands a LOT ( hands crack from washing them so much I have to use gold bond ultimate hand lotion all the time).

I try not to go anywhere I don't have to

I've only had the flu twice in my life. Once when younger and got the hong kong flu ( also rheumatic fever) and back in 1999 ( that one took me months to get over because I couldn't really rest. I had to take care of my handicapped son who also had it so I was worn down)
 

QWERT123

Watching...
With all the precautionary ingredients and stuff I'm taking because of Ebola, It's not likely that I'll get flu even If I was exposed to it. - Which I won't because of the precautions I'm taking to limit exposure!
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
DH and I both got the flu shot this year. DH gets one at work and I got one at CVS yesterday. I am feeling some general achiness and tenderness in my shoulder today, but an over the counter pain reliever takes away most of the discomfort. This is a typical side effect from a flu shot for me and goes away in a couple of days. I have not had the bad flu in many years and usually get an annual flu shot. I hope they guessed right on the flu strains that will be floating around this year.

I worked in big pharma for a long time before retiring and know first hand the quality control that goes into the manufacture of medicines, at least where I worked. I have confidence that the vaccines are safe. Pharma does not make money on vaccines, they are produced as a public service. They are lucky if they break even on the cost.


Are you kidding??? produced for public service?


Drugmakers, Doctors Rake in Billions Battling H1N1 Flu
Oct. 14, 2009


Americans are still debating whether to roll up their sleeves for a swine flu shot, but companies have already figured it out: vaccines are good for business.

Drug companies have sold $1.5 billion worth of swine flu shots, in addition to the $1 billion for seasonal flu they booked earlier this year. These inoculations are part of a much wider and rapidly growing $20 billion global vaccine market.

"The vaccine market is booming," says Bruce Carlson, spokesperson at market research firm Kalorama, which publishes an annual survey of the vaccine industry. "It's an enormous growth area for pharmaceuticals at a time when other areas are not doing so well," he says, noting that the pipeline for more traditional blockbuster drugs such as Lipitor and Nexium has thinned.

As always with pandemic flus, taxpayers are footing the $1.5 billion check for the 250 million swine flu vaccines that the government has ordered so far and will be distributing free to doctors, pharmacies and schools. In addition, Congress has set aside more than $10 billion this year to research flu viruses, monitor H1N1's progress and educate the public about prevention.

Drugmakers pocket most of the revenues from flu sales, with Sanofi-Pasteur, Glaxo Smith Kline and Novartis cornering most of the market.

But some say it's not just drugmakers who stand to benefit. Doctors collect copayments for special office visits to inject shots, and there have been assertions that these doctors actually profit handsomely from these vaccinations.

It is a notion that Dr. Lori Heim, president of the American Academy of Family Practitioners, says is simply not true.

"According to most of the physicians I have talked to, the administration of these vaccines is done for the community's benefit as opposed to anything that helps profit," she says. Heim adds that even though doctors will not have to shell out for the H1N1 vaccine, they will bear the usual costs associated with storage and administering the shots.

"There is an administration fee, for the costs that you can't get reimbursed through Medicare or Medicaid," she says. "This is usually less than, or right at the break-even point."

Still, pharmacies also charge co-payments or full price of about $25 to those without insurance and often make more money if patients end up shopping for other goods.

"Flu shots present a good opportunity to bring new customers into our stores," says Cassie Richardson, spokesperson for SUPERVALU, one of the country's largest supermarket chains. Drawing customers to the back of a store, where pharmacies are often located, offers retailers a chance to pitch products that might otherwise go unnoticed.

Even companies outside of the medical industry are benefiting: the UPS division that delivers vaccines in specially designed containers, for example, has seen a bump in business.

New Entrants in Flu Shot Business

The intensifying competition has irked some doctors.

"Retailers and other non-medical professionals have siphoned off the passive income that once helped to cover medical overhead," says Dr. Caroline Abruzese, an internist in Atlanta. "The larger retail chains can invest up front in large volumes of vaccine at low prices, and market to customers already in their stores."


The promise of profits has attracted new players into the business. Some of the world's largest drugmakers, who in the past avoided the vaccine market because of its limited scope -- its not easy to convince healthy adults to get a shot for measles -- are now jumping into the fray.

Last month alone saw three large vaccine deals. Abbott Labs bought a Belgian drug business, along with its flu vaccine facilities, for $6.6 billion. Johnson & Johnson invested $444 million in a Dutch biotech firm that makes and develops flu vaccines. Merck, which already makes vaccines for shingles and other diseases, struck a deal to distribute flu shots made by Australian CSL.

Smaller biotechs are also angling for a slice of the action, making vaccines one of the fastest-growing areas of research in the biotech industry.

Large and small drugmakers are drawn to the business largely because of scientific advances that promise to radically expand the range of health problems that vaccines can address. In addition to preventing childhood diseases such as measles and polio, vaccines can now also ward off cervical cancer, and researchers are working on vaccines for HIV and tuberculosis.

Scientists believe they can create therapeutic vaccines than treat diseases such as Alzheimers and diabetes after they have set in. (At least one company is betting on a vaccine that helps cigarette smokers quit.)

"These innovations broaden the market potential for vaccine makers and partly explained the renewed interest by drugmakers," says Anthony Cox, a professor at Indiana University's Kelley School of Business who specializes in the marketing of medical products.

But Mark Grayson, a spokesperson for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, which represents the country's leading pharmaceutical research and biotechnology companies, says that drugmakers are also compelled by the government to join efforts to ensure that there is enough vaccine to go around.

"Because of national security implications, the government felt that they needed to encourage and ask [vaccine manufacturers] to move much quicker," he says. Grayson adds that vaccine manufacturers also face significant costs; aside from the expense of fitting a new vaccine into a tight production schedule, drugmakers GlaxoSmithKline and Sanofi Pasteur were forced to acquire new vaccine production facilities in recent years to keep up with demand.

Alternatives to Vaccines Are Few

While this promise of new treatments for painful diseases brings hope to many, vaccines continue to attract critics. The National Vaccine Information Center, a non-profit advocacy group, is at the forefront of a movement demanding that vaccines be tested more thoroughly before hitting the market. Although there has been little evidence to support their claim, detractors -- including the comedian Jim Carrey -- believe that vaccines are at least partly to blame for the sharp rise in autism in recent decades.

The swine flu vaccine has also attracted its share of critics. Frank Lipman, a New York-based doctor who specializes in a mix of Western and alternative medicine, points out that the swine flu is rarely fatal and that it's too early to tell if it's safe because it hasn't been widely tested.

Others argue that Americans have little choice. The cost of a widespread pandemic, similar to Spanish Flu outbreak in 1918, which killed 675,000 Americans (and 50 million worldwide), would be devastating. The Trust for America's Health, a Washington-based non-profit organization, estimates that a severe pandemic could push down GDP by more than 5 percent and cost Americans $683 billion.

"We're not seeing a pandemic that's this severe," says Jeff Levi, director of Trust for Americas Health. "We've dodged a lot of bullets."

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/big-business-swine-flu/story?id=8820642


not going to post this whole article but as far as quality control take a look at a few of these:


Glaxo to Pay $750 Million for Sale of Bad Products
By GARDINER HARRIS and DUFF WILSON
Published: October 26, 2010

GlaxoSmithKline, the British drug giant, has agreed to pay $750 million to settle criminal and civil complaints that the company for years knowingly sold contaminated baby ointment and an ineffective antidepressant — the latest in a growing number of whistle-blower lawsuits that drug makers have settled with multimillion-dollar fines.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/27/business/27drug.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


FDA warning SANOFI

Olivier Charmeil
Senior Vice President, Vaccines
Sanofi
World Wide Headquarters
54 rue La Boétie
Paris, France 75008

Dear Mr. Charmeil:

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) conducted inspections of Sanofi Pasteur S.A., located at Campus Merieux, 1541 Av Marcel Merieux, Marcy l’Etoile, France, between March 19 and April 2, 2012, and Sanofi Pasteur Limited, located at 1755 Steeles Avenue West, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, between April 10 and April 25, 2012. During the inspections, FDA investigators documented deviations from current good manufacturing practice (CGMP) requirements in the manufacture of your licensed biological drug products and intermediates. Deviations from CGMP include the applicable requirements of Section 501(a)(2)(B) of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), Section 351(a) of the Public Health Service Act (PHS Act), and Title 21, Code of Federal Regulations (21 CFR) Parts 210, 211, and 600-680. At the close of each inspection, FDA issued a Form FDA 483, Inspectional Observations, which described a number of significant objectionable conditions relating to each facility’s compliance with CGMP. Significant deviations observed during the inspections include, but were not limited to, the following:

http://www.pharmatimes.com/article/..._Sankyo_ActHIB_vaccine_lots_contaminated.aspx


and PLEASE read this one dated 9/2013

PHARMA & HEALTHCARE 9/24/2013

What Does Mylan Get For $1.6 Billlion? A Vaccine Maker With A Troubled Factory

FDA inspectors found water damage and mold growing on finished product shipping containers in a cold storage room. There were also pools of water on the floor.

But perhaps the most troubling finding involved something as innocuous as gloves, which are worn by aseptic manufacturing operators and are supposed to be sterile. FDA inspectors, however, noticed gloves that were flaking and had holes. And crushed bugs were found on one glove’s outer packaging inside a box in which gloves were shipped to the plant.

This was a problem – batches of injectable drugs were made while workers wore these defective gloves, the FDA noted, which wrote that the “defective gloves are especially concerning, in part, because they were used to perform manipulations directly over empty vials.” Agila maintained there were no issues found during examinations of its gloves since 2009, FDA observations aside.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/edsilve...lion-a-vaccine-maker-with-a-troubled-factory/

Here's the warning letter:

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2013/ucm369407.htm


Do a little google search on vaccine production and contamination/ warning letters!!
 
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Adino

paradigm shaper
i went back and forth about it for us

we usually don't

the flu vax is no real insurance you won't get the prevalent strains this year though so the 'insurance' may not really be so solid anyways

still on the fence w/ more on the no side
 
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