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Annika

Senior Member
DH and I both got the flu shot this year. DH gets one at work and I got one at CVS yesterday. I am feeling some general achiness and tenderness in my shoulder today, but an over the counter pain reliever takes away most of the discomfort. This is a typical side effect from a flu shot for me and goes away in a couple of days. I have not had the bad flu in many years and usually get an annual flu shot. I hope they guessed right on the flu strains that will be floating around this year.

I worked in big pharma for a long time before retiring and know first hand the quality control that goes into the manufacture of medicines, at least where I worked. I have confidence that the vaccines are safe. Pharma does not make money on vaccines, they are produced as a public service. They are lucky if they break even on the cost.
A family member(retiree from big Indy pharma) informed me that she had gotten her flu shot because of the Ebola. Now this gal thinks it might keep her from getting Ebola.....I just shook my head....sheeple.
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
I got my flu shot a few weeks ago. Mild aches the next day but nothing else. I am required to get it because I am a nurse....but really, I have never had an issue with them.
 

TerriHaute

Hoosier Gardener
Any updates on those who got the flu shot?
I got the flu shot over two weeks ago. My arm and shoulder were a little achy for a couple of days, but otherwise I have been fine with no illness.

Especially now, I don't want to get "culled" from the herd if I turn up with a temperature at some surprise gov't checkpoint one day during an Ebola or other disease outbreak.

I consider a flu shot and a pneumonia shot just like any other kind of prep.

Same here. And I make sure my tetanus booster is up to date too. I do a lot of manual work here around "the farm" and am always accidentally cutting or scratching myself. There is no cure for tetanus but it is completely preventable. It is an especially ugly and painful way to die. No thank you.
 

frazbo

Veteran Member
I got a flu shot in 1976, when I was getting out of the Navy.

Apparently there was a bad batch, and I got good and sick from it.

I have not taken another flu shot since, and thankfully I haven't
had the flu either.

Be safe everyone.

Regards to all,
Nowski

Same thing happened to DH when he was in the Navy...never had a flu shot before and when it was mandatory, he was out for almost 10 days-2 weeks. Never got another one in his life...he's 66 and dang healthy for his age...oh yeah, and looks good too! lol.

We don't get a flu shot but make sure we have our pneumonia shot up to date...heard a doctor say one time, it isn't the flu people die from, it's the complications and pneumonia is one of the biggies in complications.
 

Leigh19717

Senior Member
me and the children got ours. Sore arm for about 48 hours and first 24 I felt a little off with a 1 degree temp. Both kids had sore arm but fine otherwise. Husband got his the following week and he was muscly hurt for a couple of days but nothing other than that.
 

frazbo

Veteran Member
Perhaps it's just me, but Sambucol taken in quantity, has been utterly worthless in keeping me well. Epicor on the other hand, has proven to be a decisive tool in keeping illness either away, or reduced to a very, very minor annoyance.

Yeppers, Epicore or Diamond V XPC is the way to go. We use the Dia V XPC here, all of us and it is making a difference. We take it every day, without fail along with Liposomal Vit C, made at home. Pretty powerful combination.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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I got the flu shot over two weeks ago. My arm and shoulder were a little achy for a couple of days, but otherwise I have been fine with no illness.

Same here. And I make sure my tetanus booster is up to date too. I do a lot of manual work here around "the farm" and am always accidentally cutting or scratching myself. There is no cure for tetanus but it is completely preventable. It is an especially ugly and painful way to die. No thank you.

A tetanus shot is essential. Actually one needs a total of three shots over a period of time to be fully inoculated and not require an immediate (24 hour) booster if one is injured.

In manufacturing it is common for the employer to offer free or low cost tetanus shots. I would worry how many people outside of manufacturing get inoculated.

If one is not fully inoculated and you manage to step on a nail or get cut by a foreign object you have only 24 hours to get a shot and receive the full benefit.

In a SFTF scenario those shots may not be available or you may be forced to "break cover" and mingle with the rest of the herd seeking emergency medical attention for a myriad of ailments thus exposing you to even more threats.

It is also important to ascertain any problems you may actually have with a vaccine, in a peacetime environment, rather than wait for an emergency and then get a shot and have some sort of problem which may have been resolved in a non-emergency situation.
 

teneo

Always looking for details I may have missed.
Got my flu shot a week ago, as did my wife and kids. No side effects other than the usual immune system response (mild sniffles for one day). But I also made up a batch of elderberry syrup this weekend too. I plan to have some daily during the coming cold and flu season, along with keeping up with hand washing.
 

Warthog

Black Out
Got my flu shot a week ago, as did my wife and kids. No side effects other than the usual immune system response (mild sniffles for one day). But I also made up a batch of elderberry syrup this weekend too. I plan to have some daily during the coming cold and flu season, along with keeping up with hand washing.
Why do you need the elderberry? You got the flu shot!:shr:
 

teneo

Always looking for details I may have missed.
Why do you need the elderberry? You got the flu shot!:shr:

Flu shot is not effective against the cold virus or other respiratory bugs so I'm using the "won't hurt, might help" approach. Plus, it tastes good.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
Decided to get a flu shot and a pneumonia shot for the first time just to increase my immunity for what is supposed to be a rough year. Had it done at the local Target pharmacy and my arm hurt for 4 days, became swollen and red, and then gradually went back to normal. I did have some fever so took Tylenol & rested a bit more for a few days. It was comparable to having a Typhus vaccination back when I was active duty. Since others are reporting no such issues I guess I was just more sensitive than most folks.
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
DH and I both got the flu shot this year. DH gets one at work and I got one at CVS yesterday. I am feeling some general achiness and tenderness in my shoulder today, but an over the counter pain reliever takes away most of the discomfort. This is a typical side effect from a flu shot for me and goes away in a couple of days. I have not had the bad flu in many years and usually get an annual flu shot. I hope they guessed right on the flu strains that will be floating around this year.

I worked in big pharma for a long time before retiring and know first hand the quality control that goes into the manufacture of medicines, at least where I worked. I have confidence that the vaccines are safe. Pharma does not make money on vaccines, they are produced as a public service. They are lucky if they break even on the cost.

I haven't read the whole thread yet (working on it) so this may have already been mentioned, but one of my largest concerns (even if we give big Pharma the benefit of the doubt and say that they have the highest quality vaccine) is that workplace nurses and places like CVS use multi-dose vials, which contain Thimerosal (mercury). At the very least if someone needs to get a flu-shot, request a special one-time only dose which doesn't contain Thimerosal. I spent most of my life staying away from plastics and toxins and chemicals. It seems absurd that I would willingly inject a dose of mercury into my blood.
 

Creeper

Creeper
Here are some useful links

CDC Weekly U.S. Influenza Report
Canadian Public Health Agency FluWatch Report ( click on Current Weekly Report ).

From the above sites, it appears that there are two strains circulating this year, one type A(H3) and one type B. Both are said to be similar to the strains included in this years flu shot. From the graphs on the Canadian report, you can see that the type A(H3) is currently predominant.

For the record, I have gotten the flu shot every year for at least 20 years. No issues whatsoever, and no flu. It is free for everyone in Canada this year, and even Pharmacists are approved to administer the shot so there is no waiting in doctors office. But, to make matters worse, I take public transit to and from work, and my Bus is on the hospital route ( more sick passengers ), also I generally go on the top of of the Ferry in the fresh air. Not to mention all the doorknobs, railings and escalators. I use Purell on my hands when I get to the office and back home, and often in between.
 
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Suzieq

Veteran Member
My doctor does not allow me to take the flu shot. Most of the time, the doctors do not knows what is in them! They just like all the kickbacks they get to put the shots onto their patients.

Before anyone takes a flu shot, they need to get a list of what's in that flu shot. Make sure the nurse or the doctor doesn't draw from the bottom of the bottle when filling the needle. All the bad stuff settle to the bottom of the container, if they did not shake it up good before using it!
 

Uhhmmm...

Veteran Member
Here are some useful links

CDC Weekly U.S. Influenza Report
Canadian Public Health Agency FluWatch Report ( click on Current Weekly Report ).

From the above sites, it appears that there are two strains circulating this year, one type A(H3) and one type B. Both are said to be similar to the strains included in this years flu shot. From the graphs on the Canadian report, you can see that the type A(H3) is currently predominant...

Worth repeating. Those are fantastic sites.
 

Neargone

Contributing Member
I had the flu shot 4 years in a row, and each time I was sick with flu symptoms a week later. It may just be my body's reaction to the dead/weakened virus. The last flu shot was 5 years ago, and I haven't been sick since.
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
I think I posted earlier the connection I've personally noted in kidney problems after the flu shot...connected??

This Flu Shot Is Not Like the Others
Alice Park @aliceparkny Oct. 30, 2014


Some people may get a new flu shot that’s made with dog cells instead of chicken eggs


http://time.com/3548419/flu-shot-flucelvax/

This year Novartis shipped its first full batch of Flucelvax, a new vaccine that was only approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 2012. The company made a limited amount of the shot last year, but there are more doses to go around this flu season. And for the first time, the doses were made at the company’s newly approved U.S. plant in Holly Springs, North Carolina.


The vaccine is made without growing the influenza virus in chicken eggs, which is the way that flu shots were made for more than four decades. Instead, Flucelvax is grown in kidney cells from dogs. The technology means that the shot can be made in less time than a traditional flu shot—enough virus can be churned out in about 65 hours to 75 hours, compared to the six months or so it takes to grow in chicken eggs. It also means that people who are allergic to eggs now have another option for getting immunized against the flu.


In studies that the FDA reviewed before approving the vaccine, the shot was 84% effective in preventing flu among adults who were vaccinated compared to those who received a placebo. People getting Flucelvax produced around the same amount of antibodies to the influenza virus as those who were immunized with a chicken egg-based flu vaccine.

Using animal cells instead of chicken eggs, say Novartis officials, allows them to have more control over the purity of the final vaccine. How well influenza grows in the chicken eggs is variable—some eggs or batches of eggs help the virus grow, while others aren’t as conducive to producing large amounts of influenza.

The cell-based technology is also a plus during a flu pandemic, since the platform can produce more doses quickly to control an outbreak as a particular influenza virus spreads among a population. The kidney cells are frozen and can be thawed quickly to begin growing virus. The company has produced doses of pandemic flu vaccine against H5N1 using the cell technology, and it’s keeping them in deep freeze as part of the U.S. government stockpile in the event of a pandemic.

The FDA has approved seven different types of flu shots—in addition to Flucelvax and the standard vaccine made from chicken eggs that protects against three strains of influenza, there is also a shot that protects against four strains of flu; for the needle-phobic, one with a microneedle injects just into the skin and doesn’t penetrate into the muscle, making it less painful; for the elderly who need more protection, there is a high-dose vaccine; for younger children there is a nasal spray; and for those allergic to eggs, there’s a shot made from bits of influenza proteins grown in insect cells. Not every doctor’s office or clinic carries every shot, so if you prefer one over the others, call your health care provider to find out if it will be available.
 
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DHR43

Since 2001
Think you got the 'flu'?

You almost certainly didn't have it and were conned into thinking you did.

“For protection on Halloween night, you must rub two grasshoppers together, if you see a cat crossing the road holding a Louis Vuitton monogrammed handbag—which, as everyone knows, is a sure sign of imminent danger. The protection-ritual called vaccination makes about as much sense, except there you have doctors, nurses, and drugstore loiterers injecting toxic chemicals, heavy metals, and multiple germs directly into the body.” (The Underground, Jon Rappoport)

I’ve posted these facts before. But this time, I’ll take them even further down the rabbit hole, to their logical and shocking conclusion.

The “flu season” is upon us, and the Centers for Disease Control urges all parents to act like good little robots and have the whole family jabbed with flu shots.

The usual warnings and predictions are trumpeted by the CDC and their compliant media connections.

The one persistent “fact” that is shoved across is: every year in the US, 36,000 people die of the flu. We’ve all read and heard that figure, over and over.

(Update: in the face of independent criticism, the CDC has rearranged its estimates. It now makes this softer and vaguer assessment: “Flu seasons are unpredictable and can be severe. Over a period of 30 years, between 1976 and 2006, estimates of flu-associated deaths in the United States range from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.”)

Promoting death is necessary for the CDC. They need to convince the population that seasonal flu is dangerous. In order, of course, to push vaccines.

In December of 2005, the British Medical Journal (BMJ online) published a shocking report by Peter Doshi, which exposed a delusion and created tremors throughout the halls of the CDC.

Here is a quote from Doshi’s report — “Are US flu death figures more PR than science?”:

“[According to CDC statistics], ‘influenza and pneumonia’ took 62,034 lives in 2001—61,777 of which were attributable to pneumonia and 257 to flu, and in only 18 cases was the flu virus positively identified.

Only 18.

You see, the CDC creates one category that combines flu and pneumonia deaths. Why do they do this? Because they (conveniently) assume that the pneumonia deaths are complications stemming from the flu.

This is an absurd assumption. Pneumonia has a number of causes. But even worse, in all the flu and pneumonia deaths, only 18 were traced directly to a flu virus.

Therefore, the CDC could not say, with assurance, that more than 18 people died of the flu in 2001.

Doshi continues his assessment of published CDC flu-death statistics: “Between 1979 and 2001, [CDC] data show an average of 1348 [flu] deaths per year (range 257 to 3006).”

However, Doshi is only reporting numbers of flu deaths estimated by the CDC in those years. As he showed from the year 2001, the CDC actually finds the flu virus in a tiny proportion of people who are estimated to have died from the flu.

But there is more.

Let’s take those 18 flu deaths in the US, in 2001, the only ones for which a flu virus was positively identified. What does “positively identified” mean?

It means the CDC, or a contracted lab, ran a test on blood samples from the 18 patients. Which test?

Answer: unknown.

However, judging from past CDC performance, there is a high likelihood that it was some kind of antibody test—in other words, an indirect procedure.

“Well, we found antibodies to a flu virus in the patient, so he must have contacted the virus. It must have been in his body.”

If the (error-prone) test was done perfectly, and if it didn’t show a positive result as a result of a cross-reaction with something other than the flu virus, then yes, the patient did contact the flu virus.

But that doesn’t mean the flu virus killed the patient. It doesn’t come close to meaning that. It doesn’t even mean the patient became ill from the virus.

In fact, until 1985, a positive antibody test was generally taken to mean the patient was in good shape; his immune system had successfully warded off the germ.

Then, suddenly, the science was turned on its head for no good reason: a positive antibody test became a bad sign. This shift allowed public health agencies to automatically inflate numbers of cases—and these agencies are always looking for ways to inflate case numbers.

To sum up: if, in 2001, the 18 US deaths from the flu had their blood tested by antibody assays, then you can shrink to ZERO the confirmed number of deaths by flu for the year.

What should have happened in 2001, and every year, is: flu virus is DIRECTLY extracted and isolated and IDed from flu patients—and then, on top of that, a titer test is run, which shows the concentration of flu virus in the patient.

Why? Because millions and millions of active virus, in the body, are necessary to even begin to say the virus is causing illness, much less death.

So far, I see no indication that such direct isolation and titer were routinely done by the CDC, in any flu year.

That means: no science; no verification, no way to say that X number of people, in any year, had flu disease or died from the flu.

That’s what it means.

And when I write about the invention of reality for the population, and how hard it is for many people to see through it, I’m not referring to the easy and obvious deceptions. I’m referring to deceptions on this scale. "

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/11/01/the-incredible-shrinking-flu-hoax/

You can now research Jon's findings and attempt to disprove what he wrote here. Or you can throw rocks at him and call him names.

Me? I'm going with his findings.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I had my flu shot at the nearest Walgreens six days ago. I took a couple of Advil right afterwards for the anticipated sore arm; however, the pharmacist must have used the aforementioned "micro-needle," because I hardly felt it. It was, honestly, the least painful injection I've ever had.

I had not had a flu shot in several years, since I stopped working as a nurse - it was a requirement for my job. But I got the flu last year - lab confirmed - and don't want to get it again this year.

I also use "alternative" preventatives and treatments, but for me, getting older (61 now) and dealing with other "stuff," I felt this was what I needed to do. I'm hoping it will be effective :)

Gather as much information as you can - both FOR and AGAINST- and then make an informed decision. We won't all make the same one, and I see nothing wrong with that.
 

Bad Hand

Veteran Member
The last time I got a flu shot I got the flu and was sick as a dog. I haven't had a flu shot since in years and I have gotten the flu either.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
A study conducted by Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, one of the big names in immunology, suggests that those who repeatedly get flu shots dramatically increase their risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease.

He found was that those people who had five or more flu shots during the period of the study (1970-1980), had ten times the risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease in contrast to those who either did not get the vaccine, or got it no more than twice in the same time period.

The mercury in vaccines accumulates in the brain and is very difficult to remove. The idea of having yearly mercury injections is insane. Mercury and aluminum not only are directly toxic to brain cells (destroys them, literally) but they also overstimulate the brain’s immune system. There is compelling evidence that this mechanism can trigger Alzheimer’s dementia, Parkinson’s disease, Lou Gehrig’s disease and autism spectrum disorders, as well as Gulf War Syndrome (soldiers receive certain vaccinations not available to the general population and are frequently test subjects, so to speak).

It is because of this that an unlimited number of vaccines cannot be given safely. And the more vaccines given, the greater the risk of substantial harm.

An attenuated virus is a weakened live virus. To make a live virus for the measles vaccine, for example, the virus goes through several cultures to reduce the disease causing ability of the virus (i.e., its virulence). What you are not told is that often this virus remains in the body for a lifetime. In fact, a recent study found that live measles viruses were found in 20 percent of the brains of autopsied adults, and in 45 percent of other organs. In other words, the viruses had been hiding in their bodies for their entire lives.

These viruses were found to be highly mutated. So, by giving live viruses that person may have a very high risk of viral persistence, especially if they have an impaired immune system. That virus can mutate, becoming much more likely to produce a serious disease, even one not normally associated with that particular virus, such as colitis, encephalitis or a chronic degenerative brain disorder. The danger is not only to the person initially vaccinated but also to those who come in contact with. A reverse "herd protection". The vaccinated person is acting as a generator of deadly mutated viruses. In addition, the measles virus suppresses the immune system, (other viruses are known to have a similar effect).

And Terri Haute, this has to be the most ignorant comment I have read in a week:
Pharma does not make money on vaccines, they are produced as a public service. They are lucky if they break even on the cost.

This is your brain... this is your brain on mercury... any questions?

Mercury destroys brain cells - a visual:

Best regards,
 
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Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
A family member(retiree from big Indy pharma) informed me that she had gotten her flu shot because of the Ebola. Now this gal thinks it might keep her from getting Ebola.....I just shook my head....sheeple.

^^^^YEAH DAT^^^^ I've never had a flu shot and I've NEVER had the flu . . . how many ou us have heard THAT before???? try to convince the sheeple all you hear is "BAAAAHHHHAA"!!!!!!!
 
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