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marsh

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J Korean Med Sci. 2020 Feb 24;35(7):e86. English.
Published online Feb 20, 2020. Links for doi: 10.3346/jkms.2020.35.e86
© 2020 The Korean Academy of Medical Sciences.
Viral Load Kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 Infection in First Two Patients in Korea​

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Abstract

As of February 2020, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) outbreak started in China in December 2019 has been spreading in many countries in the world. With the numbers of confirmed cases are increasing, information on the epidemiologic investigation and clinical manifestation have been accumulated. However, data on viral load kinetics in confirmed cases are lacking. Here, we present the viral load kinetics of the first two confirmed patients with mild to moderate illnesses in Korea in whom distinct viral load kinetics are shown. This report suggests that viral load kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 may be different from that of previously reported other coronavirus infections such as SARS-CoV.
 

marsh

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Incubation Period and Other Epidemiological Characteristics of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Infections with Right Truncation: A Statistical Analysis of Publicly Available Case Data.
Linton NM1, Kobayashi T1, Yang Y1, Hayashi K1, Akhmetzhanov AR1, Jung SM1, Yuan B1, Kinoshita R1, Nishiura H1,2.
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Abstract

The geographic spread of 2019 novel coronavirus (COVID-19) infections from the epicenter of Wuhan, China, has provided an opportunity to study the natural history of the recently emerged virus. Using publicly available event-date data from the ongoing epidemic, the present study investigated the incubation period and other time intervals that govern the epidemiological dynamics of COVID-19 infections. Our results show that the incubation period falls within the range of 2-14 days with 95% confidence and has a mean of around 5 days when approximated using the best-fit lognormal distribution. The mean time from illness onset to hospital admission (for treatment and/or isolation) was estimated at 3-4 days without truncation and at 5-9 days when right truncated. Based on the 95th percentile estimate of the incubation period, we recommend that the length of quarantine should be at least 14 days. The median time delay of 13 days from illness onset to death (17 days with right truncation) should be considered when estimating the COVID-19 case fatality risk.
 

rlm1966

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I am not sure what the hell that was last night, but for Trump to come out and keep pushing the idea that this isn't much worse than the flu was a complete line of bullshit. He knows it, we know it and the entire world knows it. Some simple, obvious facts make that abundantly clear.

1. You do not shut down entire countries for the flu nor for a couple of thousand deaths from a new bug. In the grand scheme of things a couple of thousand deaths is a freaking rounding error.

2. You do not claim you have stopped this at the border when you refuse to test for the illness except in a very limited set of criteria that are basically designed to keep the numbers down.

3. If all of these other countries are able to get large quantities of test kits (China, Korea, Italy, etc) every state in the union should have hundreds of test kits available. We don't and based on behavior of govco this is intentional.

4. Many other countries are now openly talking about pandemic plans while the US continues with the all is well and trust us plan which seems like a very bad idea based on their actions to date.

5. If you were really serious about slowing/stopping this bug Italy, Korea and Japan would now be blocked from entry into the US for a month or two at the least.


Just these few facts alone make the disaster of last nights press conference abundantly clear and indirectly shows that those in higher positions have a pretty good idea of just how fooked we are and they are just trying to keep us calm like keeping cattle calm before they make it into the slaughter house. As I try to wrap my head around this I keep coming back to the fact that it appears that we are all in for one hell of a ride and nothing will be the same on the other side if and when this storm clears.
 

marsh

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Clinical Characteristics of 24 Asymptomatic Infections with COVID-19 Screened among Close Contacts in Nanjing, China
Zhiliang Hu, Ci Song, Chuanjun Xu, Guangfu Jin, Yaling Chen, Xin Xu, Hongxia Ma, Wei Chen, Yuan Lin, Yishan Zheng, Jianming Wang, zhibin hu, Yongxiang Yi, Hongbing Shen
doi: Clinical Characteristics of 24 Asymptomatic Infections with COVID-19 Screened among Close Contacts in Nanjing, China
This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed

Abstract
Background: Previous studies have showed clinical characteristics of patients with the 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) and the evidence of person-to-person transmission. Limited data are available for asymptomatic infections. This study aims to present the clinical characteristics of 24 cases with asymptomatic infection screened from close contacts and to show the transmission potential of asymptomatic COVID-19 virus carriers. Methods: Epidemiological investigations were conducted among all close contacts of COVID-19 patients (or suspected patients) in Nanjing, Jiangsu Province, China, from Jan 28 to Feb 9, 2020, both in clinic and in community. Asymptomatic carriers were laboratory-confirmed positive for the COVID-19 virus by testing the nucleic acid of the pharyngeal swab samples. Their clinical records, laboratory assessments, and chest CT scans were reviewed. Findings: None of the 24 asymptomatic cases presented any obvious symptoms before nucleic acid screening. Five cases (20.8%) developed symptoms (fever, cough, fatigue and etc.) during hospitalization. Twelve (50.0%) cases showed typical CT images of ground-glass chest and five (20.8%) presented stripe shadowing in the lungs. The remaining seven (29.2%) cases showed normal CT image and had no symptoms during hospitalization. These seven cases were younger (median age: 14.0 years; P = 0.012) than the rest. None of the 24 cases developed severe COVID-19 pneumonia or died. The median communicable period, defined as the interval from the first day of positive nucleic acid tests to the first day of continuous negative tests, was 9.5 days (up to 21 days among the 24 asymptomatic cases). Through epidemiological investigation, we observed a typical asymptomatic transmission to the cohabiting family members, which even caused severe COVID-19 pneumonia. Interpretation: The asymptomatic carriers identified from close contacts were prone to be mildly ill during hospitalization. However, the communicable period could be up to three weeks and the communicated patients could develop severe illness. These results highlighted the importance of close contact tracing and longitudinally surveillance via virus nucleic acid tests. Further isolation recommendation and continuous nucleic acid tests may also be recommended to the patients discharged.
 

Trivium Pursuit

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Husbands company currently has 2 people in India trying to replace factories in China. I'm sure they are not the only ones.
As noted in an article above, They might be able to move their end stage manufacturing elsewhere, but they may find that their parts are in China. I was impressed that Google and Microsoft are able to move quickly to shift production to Vietnam, but the article said that they will still have problems with subassemblies made in China. The devil is indeed in the details.
 

marsh

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Novel Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): The importance of recognising possible early ocular manifestation and using protective eyewear.
Li JO1, Lam DSC2,3, Chen Y4, Ting DSW5,6,7.
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marsh

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Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): A Perspective from China.
Zu ZY1, Jiang MD1, Xu PP1, Chen W1, Ni QQ1, Lu GM1, Zhang LJ1.
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In December 2019, an outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection occurred in Wuhan, Hubei Province, China and spread across China and beyond. On February 12, 2020, WHO officially named the disease caused by the novel coronavirus as Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19). Since most COVID-19 infected patients were diagnosed with pneumonia and characteristic CT imaging patterns, radiological examinations have become vital in early diagnosis and assessment of disease course. To date, CT findings have been recommended as major evidence for clinical diagnosis of COVID-19 in Hubei, China. This review focuses on the etiology, epidemiology, and clinical symptoms of COVID-19, while highlighting the role of chest CT in prevention and disease control. A full translation of this article in Chinese is available.
 

marsh

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The epidemic of 2019-novel-coronavirus (2019-nCoV) pneumonia and insights for emerging infectious diseases in the future.
Li JY1, You Z2, Wang Q3, Zhou ZJ4, Qiu Y5, Luo R6, Ge XY7.
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At the end of December 2019, a novel coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, caused an outbreak of pneumonia spreading from Wuhan, Hubei province, to the whole country of China, which has posed great threats to public health and attracted enormous attention around the world. To date, there are no clinically approved vaccines or antiviral drugs available for these human coronavirus infections. Intensive research on the novel emerging human infectious coronaviruses is urgently needed to elucidate their route of transmission and pathogenic mechanisms, and to identify potential drug targets, which would promote the development of effective preventive and therapeutic countermeasures. Herein, we describe the epidemic and etiological characteristics of 2019-nCoV, discuss its essential biological features, including tropism and receptor usage, summarize approaches for disease prevention and treatment, and speculate on the transmission route of 2019-nCoV.
 

PanBear

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February 27, 2020
Coronavirus means Beijingers need to give their real names to go the cinema

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Coronavirus means Beijingers need to give their real names to go the cinema

China is collecting a trove of big data to track its citizens amid a deadly epidemic
Abacus
Published: 3:50pm, 27 Feb, 2020

This article originally appeared on
ABACUS
With most theaters closed to contain the spread of the coronavirus, China’s box office
has been dismal since the Lunar New Year. Some cinemas have even resorted to selling snacks and memorabilia online to make up for it. Now it looks like Beijing cinephiles can finally visit the theater again… but only if they’re willing to submit a string of personal information.

Under new guidelines jointly published by Beijing’s film and disease control authorities, cinemas in China’s capital can resume business if they follow strict hygiene procedures. That includes having at least one empty seat and row between viewers and disinfecting theaters after each showing. But more than that, they’re also required to record each moviegoer’s real name, home address and national ID number, among other data.

The stringent measures are part of China’s effort to track citizens’ whereabouts amid the Covid-19 epidemic. A government platform, for instance, pulls in data from health, railway and aviation authorities to track if anyone might have been in contact with confirmed or suspected patients.
 

Swamp Wallaby

International Observer
Death toll in Italy increases to 14
Angela Giuffrida

Two more people have died in Italy from coronavirus, bringing the death toll to 14.

In a statement the Civil Protection agency said the number of confirmed cases has risen from 420 to 528.

The agency’s chief, Angelo Borrelli, had earlier told reporters that officials were still seeking confirmation that coronavirus was responsible for the latest two deaths.

 

rafter

Since 1999
Of course Trump is a little rattled. He knows what’s going to happen. Just like we know what can happen. Who here isn’t rattled

Exactly...he knows that the stock market is going to crash and his great economy is going to melt away. Everything he has worked so hard for since he was elected....and nothing he can do about it. Plus he is going to be blamed when it hits with a vengeance and people die. I pity him.
 

marsh

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Coronavirus will spread in the U.S., CDC warns, and there might not be enough testing capacity to detect it
by Marie McCullough, Updated: February 25, 2020




Coronavirus will spread in the U.S., CDC warns, and there might not be enough testing capacity to detect it


The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Tuesday warned that coronavirus will penetrate U.S. borders and spread within communities, despite containment efforts, so families should prepare for disruptions such as schools and workplaces closing.



“It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country anymore but a question of when this will happen,” physician Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a teleconference.

At the same time, she acknowledged that testing capacity remains very limited because a diagnostic test kit developed by the CDC and sent to state labs 19 days ago had a faulty reagent, a substance used in a chemical reaction. Health departments in New Jersey and Pennsylvania said Tuesday that they had yet to receive working kits.

Only a dozen U.S. labs outside the CDC have usable tests. The CDC’s website says it has tested only 426 people who meet narrow criteria — respiratory symptoms and recent travel to China or close contact with a confirmed case. Some experts worry that undetected infection may be spreading because many people who get sick have only mild symptoms.

Messonnier said a new version of the test will be shipped “soon.”
“I’m frustrated,” she said, but added that “we have to make sure we keep to the highest level of quality assurance.”

The new virus, which causes an upper respiratory illness that ranges from mild to deadly, has spread to 33 countries since it emerged in Wuhan, China, in late December, and more countries report infections almost daily. Although most of the 80,239 confirmed cases are in China, the World Health Organization on Monday said the epidemic could become a pandemic, defined as an outbreak of a new disease-causing germ that spreads easily, person-to-person, around the globe. So far, 2,700 people have died, including 34 outside of China, according to WHO.

The CDC has issued guidelines to try to minimize community spread, such as canceling big gatherings and closing schools, but Messonnier warned that disruptions to daily life “may be severe.” She said families should think about issues such as child care, missing work, and telecommuting.

“I understand this whole situation may seem overwhelming,” she said. “But these are things that people need to start thinking about now. I had a conversation with my family over breakfast this morning, and I told my children that, while I don’t think they are at risk right now, we as a family need to be preparing for significant disruption of our lives.”

The CDC’s test was authorized for emergency distribution but has not gone through the normal government approval process. The test uses PCR (polymerase chain reaction), a Nobel Prize-winning technology that has revolutionized molecular biology since its invention in 1986. It creates unlimited copies of DNA using an original strand from a sample of blood or other body fluid.

Big companies such as Roche have automated components of PCR tests to make them faster, less laborious, less prone to cross-contamination, and usable in hospitals and clinics. The CDC’s test, in contrast, has room for error.

“The CDC came up with a stopgap,” said Michael Mina, an epidemiology and infectious-disease specialist at Harvard University. “But they sent a conventional PCR kit that would be used in research labs, not a plug-and-play cartridge. There are some tubes that require filling. And the CDC isn’t in the business of making reagents.”

Countries with sizable outbreaks, including South Korea, have come up with coronavirus tests and run them on thousands of samples.

In the United States, dozens of companies and academic labs are racing to develop better tests. Among the innovators are Biomeme, a Philadelphia biotech start-up, and Haim Bau, a computational and fluid mechanics expert at the University of Pennsylvania.

But obtaining samples of the virus to validate new tests is a major obstacle for many developers.

“If we can, we will try to test our assay in China with samples from there,” Bau said.

Max Perelman, cofounder of Biomeme, said the company has shared its PCR test technology — a handheld platform that runs on a smartphone — with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, although the company has not given its assays for COVID-19 testing.

“They’re very tight-lipped," Perelman said, about plans for emergency use authorization of COVID-19 tests other than the CDC’s.

Messonnier on Tuesday said commercial tests are “coming,” but not how soon.
Meanwhile, the Association of Public Health Laboratories, which represents state and local laboratories, has sent a letter asking the FDA for permission to develop and use their own tests, according to the Washington Post.

“This is an extraordinary request, but this is an extraordinary time,” Scott Becker, chief executive of the association, told the Post.

In an earlier briefing, the World Health Organization announced findings from its experts who have been deployed in China:
  • Aggressive quarantines and other restrictions in that country likely prevented hundreds of thousands of cases.
  • The genetic code of the virus has not mutated much since it was initially identified, suggesting that ongoing efforts to produce a vaccine will be useful.
  • Among people in Wuhan who were known to be infected with the virus, the fatality rate was between 2% and 4%, and 0.7% outside Wuhan. But epidemiologists say the true fatality rates are likely much lower, as many people who were infected were never identified.
  • Children have not been hard-hit by the illness. Most fatalities have occurred in those aged 70 and up. In addition to age, underlying illness and smoking also increase the risk of severe symptoms.
  • People with mild symptoms have recovered after two weeks. Those with a severe or critical form of the illness, if they recover, do so within three to six weeks.
Staff writer Tom Avril contributed to this article.
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
I am not sure what the hell that was last night, but for Trump to come out and keep pushing the idea that this isn't much worse than the flu was a complete line of bullshit. He knows it, we know it and the entire world knows it. Some simple, obvious facts make that abundantly clear.

1. You do not shut down entire countries for the flu nor for a couple of thousand deaths from a new bug. In the grand scheme of things a couple of thousand deaths is a freaking rounding error.

2. You do not claim you have stopped this at the border when you refuse to test for the illness except in a very limited set of criteria that are basically designed to keep the numbers down.

3. If all of these other countries are able to get large quantities of test kits (China, Korea, Italy, etc) every state in the union should have hundreds of test kits available. We don't and based on behavior of govco this is intentional.

4. Many other countries are now openly talking about pandemic plans while the US continues with the all is well and trust us plan which seems like a very bad idea based on their actions to date.

5. If you were really serious about slowing/stopping this bug Italy, Korea and Japan would now be blocked from entry into the US for a month or two at the least.


Just these few facts alone make the disaster of last nights press conference abundantly clear and indirectly shows that those in higher positions have a pretty good idea of just how fooked we are and they are just trying to keep us calm like keeping cattle calm before they make it into the slaughter house. As I try to wrap my head around this I keep coming back to the fact that it appears that we are all in for one hell of a ride and nothing will be the same on the other side if and when this storm clears.

Exactly correct.

It is psychologically jarring, isn't it?

Last night's news conference was pitiful. The USA snowflake nation can no longer be trusted with the truth.
 

John Deere Girl

Veteran Member
Thank you!

:applaud:

I swear the 3-4 naysayers we have posting on this thread irritate the hell out of me!

Are they trying to convince US or THEMSELVES???

I just wish, if they are so self assured, they would start their own thread and leave this one for new information!

:mad:

Sometimes that is the way people deal with stressful situations. If you deny it's happening, it won't happen. It's doesn't work, but it's a coping mechanism.
 

marsh

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US is testing treatment
Meanwhile, a clinical trial is underway at the University of Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha, to evaluate how effective an antiviral drug would be on people diagnosed with coronavirus, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) said.
There's been at least 82,056 confirmed cases worldwide and 2,800 deaths -- the vast majority of which have been in China.

The drug being tested in the trial, remdesivir, was previously tested in humans for Ebola and in animals for MERS and SARS. There are also clinical trials of the drug going on in China, the NIH said, and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases developed the American study to match those studies.
The first participant in the Omaha trial is an American who was evacuated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

Participants will receive 200 milligrams of remdesivir intravenously when they're enrolled and another 100 while they're hospitalized for up to 10 days in total. A placebo group will receive a solution that resembles remdesivir but contains only inactive ingredients, the NIH said.
 

marsh

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(CNN)A California patient being treated for novel coronavirus is the first US case of unknown origin, CDC officials said.

The patient didn't have any relevant travel history nor exposure to another known patient. It may be the first US case of "community spread" of the virus officials said.

The Solano County resident was admitted to UC Davis Medical Center last week but wasn't tested until Sunday, according to a letter sent to UC Davis staff and obtained by CNN.

Dr. Dean Blumberg, an infectious disease specialist at UC Davis Medical Center, told CNN affiliate KCRA this case is significant.

"That suggests that the virus is out there in the community, and that means pretty much that everybody's at risk," he said. "We don't know who might be carrying it. We don't know who we can get it from."

While it's not clear who the patient got the virus from, "that other person probably exposed other people," Blumberg said.


"And you have to realize that this virus is so new, that none of us have any immunity to it. So anybody who's exposed is at high risk of getting infected with this."

The patient is one of 60 confirmed cases of the virus in the US, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar announced Wednesday. Forty-two cases are former passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, the site of a recent virus outbreak. The other 15 were either travelers coming back from China or spouses of travelers. Three others were repatriated from China.

How the person was exposed to the virus is still unknown, the CDC said. The agency said it has not yet ruled out that the patient was exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.

The patient was transferred to the medical center from another Northern California hospital Febuary 19 with a suspected viral infection. UC Davis requested testing for novel coronavirus by the CDC, because, the letter says, neither the Sacramento County nor the California Department of Public Health are conducting testing.

"Since the patient did not fit the existing CDC criteria for COVID-19, a test was not immediately administered," the letter says. "UC Davis Health does not control the testing process.

The CDC ordered testing on Sunday and results came back positive Wednesday, the letter said.

"This is not the first COVID-19 patient we have treated, and because of the precautions we have had in place since this patient's arrival, we believe there has been minimal potential for exposure here at UC Davis Medical Center," the center said.

In the letter, the medical center also asked a small number of employees to stay at home and monitor their temperature.
 

rafter

Since 1999
He's gambling and he's relying on the low (fake) numbers provided to him by China to place his bet. We (you and I and probably most on this thread) think it's a losing bet, because we think China is lying and the numbers are exponentially worse. He must believe the Chinese numbers are accurate so it's a bet he's willing to take because if he wins, he wins big. And if the Chinese numbers are accurate, if he loses, he doesn't lose by enough that he can't hide the loss in flu numbers. (exactly like China is doing -under reporting exponentially to hide the true nature of the virus). Bottom line it all depends on by how much China is lying. After all, I think there total reported deaths were less than 3000, for a country with a population of 1.4 billion. We have 330 million people, more than a billion less people than China (just googled these numbers so using them as a reference), so IF THEIR NUMBERS ARE THE REAL NUMBERS (and not lies), the percentage of people who die of this disease would put our death toll much less than flu (12,000-60,000 in the USA alone) - thus making his gamble a safe one. (not going to do the math to figure out what 3000 of 1.4 billion is and then multiplying that percentage against 330 million; I hate math and I'll probably get it wrong! ).

HD

I'm sure he knows that China is lying. Had he got up and stated that the media would have been all over it. Nasty Nancy and Chuck couldn't have gotten to a microphone fast enough for scaring people.

He has to slowly educate the sheep. "Avoid panic at all cost". Get people thinking about it so they will start to pick up a few things every time they go to the store....don't panic them so they empty them out.

This will be a tedious thing to try to keep every thing sane. Little bits at a time.

People here at TB have been doing doom fests for years and are all pretty callused and know better than to panic, we just prep.....the sheeple aren't capable of that.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
those in higher positions have a pretty good idea of just how fooked we are and they are just trying to keep us calm like keeping cattle calm before they make it into the slaughter house. As I try to wrap my head around this I keep coming back to the fact that it appears that we are all in for one hell of a ride and nothing will be the same on the other side if and when this storm clears.

Governments fear panic more than they fear revolution. Once you are aware of what they're doing and why, you can front-run their responses and get out of the way as much as possible.
 

northern watch

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US Colleges Race To Cancel Study Abroad Programs, Especially In Italy, Amid Covid-19 Spread

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by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Thursday, 02/27/2020 - 05:45


With the confirmed number of coronavirus cases in Italy now nearing 400, including 12 deaths, and Germany, France and Spain now witnessing a growing caseload, a growing number of American universities are now canceling their study abroad programs due to Covid-19 fears.

Fox News reports that at least seven universities have suspended programs in Italy alone with more schools expected to take the drastic action. In many cases it involves disrupting current ongoing programs, and undergoing the logistically difficult feat of getting hundreds of students home early to the US.

Image via Diablo Valley College

Schools especially with programs in southeast Asia are carefully eyeing restrictions and/or suspending their programs altogether, such as Florida International University, which announced Tuesday it is halting its expansive study abroad programs in Italy, Japan, and South Korea.

The school's executive vice president, Kenneth G. Furton, said in a statement. "Education abroad spring programs to these countries are canceled. At the same time, any students or employees who are currently on university business in those countries must return to the U.S. immediately."

The statement those who did recently travel to these places to "quarantine themselves at home and to stay away from campus."

Universities are concerned their programs which allow students to spend weeks, months, or often whole semesters in Europe and Asia studying and exploring foreign countries could inadvertently see students and staff sent straight into impacted countries' virus epicenters, such as northern Italy.

St. Peter's Square at the Vatican, via AP.

"This was a difficult decision for the university to make, given that these students were already immersed in these important global experiences," the dean of global education at Elon University, Woody Pelton, which just canceled its own programs, said in a news release.

"However, the health and safety of students is our top priority," he added.

In one notable instance, Syracuse University actually currently has hundreds of students studying abroad in Italy. CNN reports that at least 342 Syracuse students are now organizing early returns from Italy.

Given the rapid spread of the coronavirus in Italy, Elon will suspend its study abroad program in Florence for the semester. Details - https://t.co/k6d447FRCu pic.twitter.com/aXLaLBRMXY
— Elon University (@elonuniversity) February 25, 2020
Among American universities lately canceling programs abroad include Syracuse University, New York University, Fairfield University, Elon University, Stanford University, the University of Southern California, Sacred Heart and the University of New Haven – according to Fox.
Stanford called their study abroad students today to have them all return. "Get out while you can" was the call a friend's student daughter was awakened to early this morning. #coronavirus https://t.co/j82v6CGG1w
— Too woke for you (@Twittterpated) February 26, 2020
Students in current programs in many cases took to social media to vent their having to come home on short notice, with one noting Stanford informed program members to "get out while you still can".
Gonzaga University in Washington state also announced late Wednesday it is suspending its Italy program, amid a fast growing trend of schools urging their students home this week.

 

Weft and Warp

Senior Member
I'm sure he knows that China is lying. Had he got up and stated that the media would have been all over it. Nasty Nancy and Chuck couldn't have gotten to a microphone fast enough for scaring people.

He has to slowly educate the sheep. "Avoid panic at all cost". Get people thinking about it so they will start to pick up a few things every time they go to the store....don't panic them so they empty them out.

This will be a tedious thing to try to keep every thing sane. Little bits at a time.

People here at TB have been doing doom fests for years and are all pretty callused and know better than to panic, we just prep.....the sheeple aren't capable of that.
I did notice how he said this about China "If you can count on the reports coming out of China, that spread has gone down quite a bit. The infection seems to have gone down over the last two days." If you go back and listen to how he said this, you will probably come to the same conclusion as I did when I heard him---that he really didn't believe what China is reporting.
 

northern watch

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The Economic Cataclysm Ahead

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by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Thursday, 02/27/2020 - 05:00

Authored by Charles Hugh Smith via OfTwoMinds blog,

The economic storm hasn't passed; the false calm is only the eye of the financial hurricane.
To understand the economic cataclysm ahead, do the math. Those expecting the Covid-19 pandemic to leave the U.S. economy untouched are implicitly making these preposterously unlikely claims:
1. China will resume full pre-pandemic production and shipping within the next two weeks.
2. Chinese consumers will resume borrowing and spending at pre-pandemic rates in a few weeks.
3. Every factory and every worker in China will resume full pre-pandemic production without any permanent closures or disruptions.
4. Corporate America's just-in-time inventories will magically expand to cover weeks or months of supply chain disruption.
5. Not a single one of the thousands of people who flew direct from Wuhan to the U.S. in January is an asymptomatic carrier of the coronavirus who escaped detection at the airport.
6. Not a single one of the thousands of people who flew from China to the U.S. in February is an asymptomatic carrier of the coronavirus.
7. Not a single one of the thousands of people who are in self-quarantine broke the quarantine to go to Safeway for milk and eggs.
8. Not a single person who came down with Covid-19 after arriving in the U.S. feared being deported so they did not go to a hospital and are therefore unknown to authorities.
9. Even though U.S. officials have only tested a relative handful of the thousands of people who came from Covid-19 hotspots in China, they caught every single asymptomatic carrier.
10. Not a single asymptomatic carrier caught a flight from China to Southeast Asia and then promptly boarded a flight for the U.S.
I could go on but you get the picture: an extremely contagious pathogen that is spread by carriers who don't know they have the virus to people who then infect others in a rapidly expanding circle has been completely controlled by U.S. authorities who haven't tested or even tracked tens of thousands of potential carriers in the U.S.
These same authorities are quick to claim the risk of Covid-19 spreading in the U.S. is low even as the 14 infected people they put on a plane ended up infecting 25 passengers on the flight. These same authorities tried to transfer quarantined people to a rundown facility in Costa Mesa CA that was not suitable for quarantine, forcing the city to file a lawsuit to stop the transfer.
Do these actions instill unwavering confidence in the official U.S. response? You must be joking.

Do the math, people. The coronavirus is already in the U.S. but authorities have no way to track it due to its spread by asymptomatic carriers. People who don't even know they have the virus are flying to intermediate airports outside China and then catching flights to the U.S.

None of the known characteristics of the virus support the confidence being projected by authorities. The tests are not reliable, few are being tested, carriers can't be detected because they don't have any symptoms, the virus is highly contagious, thousands of potential carriers continue to arrive in the U.S., etc. etc. etc.

The network of global travel remains intact. Removing a few nodes (Wuhan, etc.) does not reduce the entire network's connectedness that enables the rapid and invisible spread of the virus.

Second, what authorities call over-reaction is simply prudent risk management. As I noted yesterday in How Many Cases of Covid-19 Will It Take For You to Decide Not to Frequent Public Places?, when an abstract pandemic becomes real, shelves are emptied and streets are deserted.

It doesn't take thousands of cases to trigger a dramatic reduction in the willingness to mix with crowds of strangers. A relative handful of cases is enough to be consequential.

Many of the new jobs created in the U.S. economy over the past decade are in the food and beverage services sector, the sector that is immediately impacted when people decide to lower their risk by staying home rather than going out to crowded restaurants, theaters, bars, etc.

Many of these establishments are hanging on by a thread due to soaring rents, taxes, fees, healthcare and wages. Many of the employees are also hanging on by a thread, only making rent if they collect big tips.

Central banks can borrow money into existence but they can't replace lost income. A significant percentage of America's food and beverage establishments are financially precarious, and their exhausted owners are burned out by the stresses of keeping their business afloat as costs continue rising. The initial financial hit as people reduce their public exposure will be more than enough to cause many to close their doors forever.
As small businesses fold, local tax revenues crater, triggering fiscal crises in local government budgets dependent on ever-higher tax and fee revenues.

A significant percentage of America's borrowers are financially precarious, one paycheck or unexpected expense away from defaulting on student loans, subprime auto loans, credit card payments, etc.

A significant percentage of America's corporations are financially precarious, dependent on expanding debt and rising cash flow to service their expanding debt load. Any hit to their revenues will trigger defaults that will then unleash second-order effects in the global financial system.

The global economy is so dependent on speculative euphoria, leverage and debt that any external shock will tip it over the cliff. The U.S. economy is far more precarious than advertised as well.

The economic storm hasn't passed; the false calm is only the eye of the financial hurricane.

 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
There’s no need to get so sarcastic. It’s absolutely plausible. I did a quick 2 minute search on recent obituaries, and several popped up. I took screen shots of a couple of them. Tell me, is it normal for people who aren’t very young or very old to be dying from flu or pneumonia? What about this Asian student from New York?? No chance at all that could’ve been COVID-19, right?

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If the Chinese Plague is as advertised and there were 1,000's of cases in this here US, the Sheeple would know it because the place would be littered with corpses. And TPTB would have a tough time claiming that it was just a bad case of the flu.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member

Coronavirus will spread in the U.S., CDC warns, and there might not be enough testing capacity to detect it
by Marie McCullough, Updated: February 25, 2020




Coronavirus will spread in the U.S., CDC warns, and there might not be enough testing capacity to detect it


The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Tuesday warned that coronavirus will penetrate U.S. borders and spread within communities, despite containment efforts, so families should prepare for disruptions such as schools and workplaces closing.



“It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country anymore but a question of when this will happen,” physician Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a teleconference.

At the same time, she acknowledged that testing capacity remains very limited because a diagnostic test kit developed by the CDC and sent to state labs 19 days ago had a faulty reagent, a substance used in a chemical reaction. Health departments in New Jersey and Pennsylvania said Tuesday that they had yet to receive working kits.

Only a dozen U.S. labs outside the CDC have usable tests. The CDC’s website says it has tested only 426 people who meet narrow criteria — respiratory symptoms and recent travel to China or close contact with a confirmed case. Some experts worry that undetected infection may be spreading because many people who get sick have only mild symptoms.

Messonnier said a new version of the test will be shipped “soon.”
“I’m frustrated,” she said, but added that “we have to make sure we keep to the highest level of quality assurance.”

The new virus, which causes an upper respiratory illness that ranges from mild to deadly, has spread to 33 countries since it emerged in Wuhan, China, in late December, and more countries report infections almost daily. Although most of the 80,239 confirmed cases are in China, the World Health Organization on Monday said the epidemic could become a pandemic, defined as an outbreak of a new disease-causing germ that spreads easily, person-to-person, around the globe. So far, 2,700 people have died, including 34 outside of China, according to WHO.

The CDC has issued guidelines to try to minimize community spread, such as canceling big gatherings and closing schools, but Messonnier warned that disruptions to daily life “may be severe.” She said families should think about issues such as child care, missing work, and telecommuting.

“I understand this whole situation may seem overwhelming,” she said. “But these are things that people need to start thinking about now. I had a conversation with my family over breakfast this morning, and I told my children that, while I don’t think they are at risk right now, we as a family need to be preparing for significant disruption of our lives.”

The CDC’s test was authorized for emergency distribution but has not gone through the normal government approval process. The test uses PCR (polymerase chain reaction), a Nobel Prize-winning technology that has revolutionized molecular biology since its invention in 1986. It creates unlimited copies of DNA using an original strand from a sample of blood or other body fluid.

Big companies such as Roche have automated components of PCR tests to make them faster, less laborious, less prone to cross-contamination, and usable in hospitals and clinics. The CDC’s test, in contrast, has room for error.

“The CDC came up with a stopgap,” said Michael Mina, an epidemiology and infectious-disease specialist at Harvard University. “But they sent a conventional PCR kit that would be used in research labs, not a plug-and-play cartridge. There are some tubes that require filling. And the CDC isn’t in the business of making reagents.”

Countries with sizable outbreaks, including South Korea, have come up with coronavirus tests and run them on thousands of samples.

In the United States, dozens of companies and academic labs are racing to develop better tests. Among the innovators are Biomeme, a Philadelphia biotech start-up, and Haim Bau, a computational and fluid mechanics expert at the University of Pennsylvania.

But obtaining samples of the virus to validate new tests is a major obstacle for many developers.

“If we can, we will try to test our assay in China with samples from there,” Bau said.

Max Perelman, cofounder of Biomeme, said the company has shared its PCR test technology — a handheld platform that runs on a smartphone — with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, although the company has not given its assays for COVID-19 testing.

“They’re very tight-lipped," Perelman said, about plans for emergency use authorization of COVID-19 tests other than the CDC’s.

Messonnier on Tuesday said commercial tests are “coming,” but not how soon.
Meanwhile, the Association of Public Health Laboratories, which represents state and local laboratories, has sent a letter asking the FDA for permission to develop and use their own tests, according to the Washington Post.

“This is an extraordinary request, but this is an extraordinary time,” Scott Becker, chief executive of the association, told the Post.

In an earlier briefing, the World Health Organization announced findings from its experts who have been deployed in China:
  • Aggressive quarantines and other restrictions in that country likely prevented hundreds of thousands of cases.
  • The genetic code of the virus has not mutated much since it was initially identified, suggesting that ongoing efforts to produce a vaccine will be useful.
  • Among people in Wuhan who were known to be infected with the virus, the fatality rate was between 2% and 4%, and 0.7% outside Wuhan. But epidemiologists say the true fatality rates are likely much lower, as many people who were infected were never identified.
  • Children have not been hard-hit by the illness. Most fatalities have occurred in those aged 70 and up. In addition to age, underlying illness and smoking also increase the risk of severe symptoms.
  • People with mild symptoms have recovered after two weeks. Those with a severe or critical form of the illness, if they recover, do so within three to six weeks.
Staff writer Tom Avril contributed to this article.
Someone needs to put a muzzle on this partisan bitch (sister of Rod Rosenstein).
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
I’m sure especially after the ‘press’ conference last night that the majority of us can read through the lines.

Get it done!

Made my weekly grocery run and there were some holes in the shelves. Now that might have absolutely nothing to do with things as I’m assuming most of our standard groceries are produced here. Although I went early I detected absolutely no concern among the people which is pretty amazing considering the market action and the news the last several days.

Media and government has done a good job in dumbing down the population as a whole. Normalcy bias on one hand and people programmed to believe the government and media on the other hand has done a good job in numbing most people. A tipping point of awareness is soon to arrive and when it does hold on. We’ve been blessed with advance warning of over a month now. I hope we haven’t squandered our time..
 

bcingu

Senior Member
I am not sure what the hell that was last night, but for Trump to come out and keep pushing the idea that this isn't much worse than the flu was a complete line of bullshit. He knows it, we know it and the entire world knows it. Some simple, obvious facts make that abundantly clear. The USA snowflake nation can no longer be trusted with the truth.

YES THAT WAS DIFFICULT TO WATCH.
Ok, But what did we expect? If President Trump had announced cessation of air travel, what countries first? The UK, France, Italy, Japan, Hawaii, Israel, etc.... Corona virus is everywhere.
What would that have accomplished? The immediate collapse of commercial airlines? For all intents and purposes we have already lost the cruise industry.
To the MSM and the dems it would not have mattered what the President said. He's too incompetent because he didn't _______________ fill in the blank.
Every comment from a trump supporter reads just like those here. He looked exhausted, he looked unsure, there was fear in his eyes.
Every comment from a hater repeated those comments and quickly became vicious.

No matter how that was handled it would have been chastised and ridiculed. "Trump comments sparked food riots and chaos." "Trump can't recognize a pandemic if his retarded son collapsed in the oval office."

The President could have destroyed the world's economy last night by what he said, he didn't though.

rlm 1966 not flaming you or anyone else. Just sayin......

Enjoy your day.
 
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