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northern watch

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Bloomberg Markets‏Verified account @markets 3m3 minutes ago

U.S. stocks drop at the open as selloff deepens https://bloom.bg/2T5R3rU

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CaryC

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While news from overseas is a good thing to know...….

I think the most important case for us in the US is the person in CA who came down with it "for unknown reasons". That may be the kicker.

In conjunction with the above:

Any more news about this? Like, where in CA it is?
 

northern watch

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The Wall Street Journal‏Verified account @WSJ 12m12 minutes ago

Derivatives activity and heavy selling from funds that tend to make knee-jerk buying and selling decisions based on the level of market volatility created a perfect storm for the biggest Wall Street selloff in almost five years
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Corpse-litter didn't become a thing in China until they had hundreds of thousands of deaths. Mere thousands would be lost in the noise of annual flu.

Two weeks ago I said it was easy to roughly document 70,000 deaths in China. It doubles every three to six days. That can add up to some litter.
Huh? did I not read on this very forum that somebody in England dropped dead in the street and everybody fled? With '1, 000's of infected, doubling every few days, seems we would have seen something like that.
 

GammaRat

Veteran Member
A travel report:

Yesterday, I flew from Spingfield, MO to Dallas Fort Worth, and then on Boston.

I was the ONLY person wearing a mask on both flights, and all three Airports. While waiting for my Boston flight, I saw one Asian man with a mask down around his neck. None of the baggage handlers or retailers wore masks either. In DFW, I had to take the tram from one terminal to another. None of the passengers were concerned about holding on to the hand rails. I also had on gloves... (yeah... I looked like the weirdo in the crowd)

This is all AFTER Burrito flew in to DFW from China, via South Korea. And God knows how many other locations that have an infected population.

The guy sitting to my left, was constantly wiping his nose with a tissue, and the guy across the aisle was hacking and coughing the entire flight.

The general population just isn't taking this seriously.
 

Lone Eagle Woman

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Yes this is big as concerning that the Pope is ill and might have the virus. If this is true then it would be a big wakeup call to everyone. Think what would happen if the Pope died of this virus. Could say more but will leave it at that.

Wishing Everyone the Best!
 

alchemike

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Coronaviruses: How long can they survive on surfaces?

A recent paper looks at how long coronaviruses can survive on various types of surfaces. It finds that the virus tends to persist longer in colder, more humid conditions. The authors also ask how we can destroy coronaviruses.

SARS coronavirus

Electron micrograph of the coronavirus that caused SARS.

The novel coronavirus, now officially known as COVID-19, has been making headlines since it first came to light, late in 2019. Spreading from China to 23 other countries, COVID-19 has now infected 45,171 people.
Because this version of the coronavirus is new to science, researchers are scrambling to understand how to treat infections, and how to ensure that the virus does not spread further.

Because there are no specific treatments for COVID-19, many experts are focusing on prevention.
Scientists from the Greifswald University Hospital and Ruhr-Universität Bochum, both in Germany, recently compiled information from 22 studies on the coronavirus. Their work helps us understand how long coronaviruses survive on surfaces, and how people may be able to destroy them.

The authors initially compiled the information for inclusion in an upcoming textbook; but, author Eike Steinmann explains that “under the circumstances, the best approach was to publish these verified scientific facts in advance, in order to make all information available at a glance.”

Their work, which appears in The Journal of Hospital Infection, focuses on the coronaviruses responsible for two of the most recent outbreaks: severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS).
Their paper also draws information from studies that investigated veterinary coronaviruses, such as transmissible gastroenteritis virus (TGEV), mouse hepatitis, and canine coronavirus.
How long do coronaviruses persist?

The first section of the new paper focuses on how long coronaviruses can survive on inanimate surfaces, such as tables and door handles. The authors show that, depending on the material and the conditions, human coronaviruses can remain infectious from 2 hours to 9 days.

At temperatures of around 4°C or 39.2oF, certain versions of the coronavirus could remain viable for up to 28 days. At temperatures of 30–40°C (86–104°F), coronaviruses tended to persist for a shorter time.
At room temperature, a coronavirus responsible for the common cold (HCoV-229E) persisted significantly longer in 50% humidity than 30% humidity. Overall, the authors conclude:

“Human coronaviruses can remain infectious on inanimate surfaces at room temperature for up to 9 days. At a temperature of 30°C [86°F] or more, the duration of persistence is shorter. Veterinary coronaviruses have been shown to persist even longer for 28 d[ays].”

When the scientists delved into the literature on the persistence of coronaviruses on different surfaces, the results were variable. For instance, the MERS virus persisted for 48 hours on a steel surface at 20°C (68°F). However, on a similar surface and at the same temperature, TGEV survived for up to 28 days.

Similarly, two studies investigated the survival of two strains of SARS coronavirus on a paper surface. One survived 4–5 days, the other for just 3 hours.

How to inactivate coronavirus

In the next section of their paper, the authors address the best way to inactivate coronaviruses.
They conclude that agents, including hydrogen peroxide, ethanol, and sodium hypochlorite (a chemical in bleach), quickly and successfully inactivate coronaviruses.
For instance, the authors write that “[h]ydrogen peroxide was effective with a concentration of 0.5% and an incubation time of 1 minute.”

After assessing the evidence, the authors conclude:
“Surface disinfection with 0.1% sodium hypochlorite or 62–71% ethanol significantly reduces coronavirus infectivity on surfaces within 1 min[ute] exposure time.”
Conversely, solutions of a biocide called benzalkonium chloride produced conflicting results; and chlorhexidine digluconate, which people use as a topical antiseptic, was ineffective.

The authors write that “[t]ransmission in healthcare settings can be successfully prevented when appropriate measures are consistently performed.” Handwashing, in particular, is critical.

They explain how, in Taiwan, “installing hand wash stations in the emergency department was the only infection control measure which was significantly associated with the protection from healthcare workers from acquiring the [SARS coronavirus].”

Although the studies the authors summarize in this review did not investigate COVID-19, they believe that the results are also likely to be relevant to this latest coronavirus. All the human coronaviruses that the research had investigated seem to be susceptible to the same chemical agents.
 

northern watch

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Eunice Yoon‏Verified account @onlyyoontv now1 minute ago

#China city adopts unconventional way to detect #coronavirus patients. Qianjiang in epicenter Hubei province is offering RMB10k ($1,423) to anyone who comes clean about symptoms. City sets Mar 2 deadline to add pressure to report to authorities. Qianjiang has population of 1mln!
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Bloomberg‏Verified account @business 22s23 seconds ago

The Dow Jones Industrial Average sank for a sixth straight day, taking it more than 10% below its all-time high set Feb. 12, as investors grow increasingly concerned the coronarvirus will derail global economic growth https://trib.al/TPWZum8
Very convenient timing for the U.S. markets: we finally have a chance to unwind all that financial insanity with a "viable" excuse. There will be all manner of fire-sale opportunities in a few months.

And...

Had to make a run to the local Kroger late last night:
- There was a significant void in the Clorox wipes section, as in NO Clorox wipes. Four feet of empty shelf.
- The standard bottles of Clorox were still stacked deep
- All but a couple of the Mountain House meals were gone - HUGE empty space in the aisle
- NO dust masks of any kind - huge void on the wall
- LARGE empty spots in the spray paint area. I don't recall seeing any Reds or Yellows (house marking?)
- Several spots on the cosmetic aisle were thin (large voids behind the front row of products)
 
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bw

Fringe Ranger
Huh? did I not read on this very forum that somebody in England dropped dead in the street and everybody fled? With '1, 000's of infected, doubling every few days, seems we would have seen something like that.

I don't have a clue what you read. Sorry if events aren't moving fast enough for you.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Huh? did I not read on this very forum that somebody in England dropped dead in the street and everybody fled? With '1, 000's of infected, doubling every few days, seems we would have seen something like that.
Give it some time, Troke. Why is everyone so damn impatient to reach the Dying Like Flies stage of this? But yeah, the case in England may indicate that the West has just entered the next phase.
Who knows...

ETA: I haven't seen body bags on anyone's prep lists, but those might turn out to be one of the more useful things one could stock up on ahead of time. Not gonna go there myself - normalcy bias, I guess. Besides, if I end up being the one *needing* a bag, It'll be someone else's problem!
 
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CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A travel report:

Yesterday, I flew from Spingfield, MO to Dallas Fort Worth, and then on Boston.

I was the ONLY person wearing a mask on both flights, and all three Airports. While waiting for my Boston flight, I saw one Asian man with a mask down around his neck. None of the baggage handlers or retailers wore masks either. In DFW, I had to take the tram from one terminal to another. None of the passengers were concerned about holding on to the hand rails. I also had on gloves... (yeah... I looked like the weirdo in the crowd)

This is all AFTER Burrito flew in to DFW from China, via South Korea. And God knows how many other locations that have an infected population.

The guy sitting to my left, was constantly wiping his nose with a tissue, and the guy across the aisle was hacking and coughing the entire flight.

The general population just isn't taking this seriously.

You go dude.

Going west to go east? I think that is something Columbus tried. Nothing has changed in the last 500 years.

Now that you're in Boston, I guess you'll be wanting to get your earl changed in your kare. LOL

Be safe, it makes for a long life.
 

1911user

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Japan to close schools nationwide to control spread of virus

Japan to close schools nationwide to control spread of virus
By MARI YAMAGUCHIFebruary 27, 2020 GMT

TOKYO (AP) — Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe asked all elementary, middle and high schools nationwide on Thursday to close until late March to help control the spread of the new virus in the country.

The request caught many local officials by surprise. While not legally binding, it is expected to be followed. It will affect 12.8 million students at about 34,800 schools nationwide, according to the education ministry.

“The coming week or two is an extremely important time,” Abe said. “This is to prioritize the health and safety of the children and take precautions to avoid the risk of possible large-scale infections.”

The decision comes amid growing concern about the rise in the number of untraceable cases of the virus in northern Japan and elsewhere. Japan now has more than 910 cases, including 705 from a quarantined cruise ship. An eighth death from the virus was confirmed Thursday on the northern island of Hokkaido.

Abe’s announcement came hours after several local governments had announced their own decisions to suspend classes for shorter periods.

Officials in Hokkaido said they were closing all 1,600 elementary and middle schools. Hokkaido now has 54 confirmed cases, the largest in in the country outside the cruise ship.

Japan’s school year ends in March, leaving little time for final exams or graduation ceremonies.

Schools should keep exams and graduation ceremonies to minimum and take all necessary precautions, Abe said.
“Our graduation ceremony is coming up soon, and it’s quite a hectic time of the year,” Norinobu Sawada, vice principal of Koizumi Elementary School in Hokkaido’s Kitami City, told TBS television. “The most important thing is to prevent infections, so there aren’t many other options.”

The Japanese government has also asked companies to allow employees to work flexible hours or work from home to reduce infection risks.
 

northern watch

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Jonathan Cheng‏Verified account @JChengWSJ 1m1 minute ago

The coronavirus outbreak in S. Korea is now spreading faster than the epidemic in China, underscoring the difficulties in containing the spread of a disease that some observers already believe to be a pandemic. @ByChunHan
 

raven

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Forget about what they are saying . . . it only matters what they are doing.
Why does our CDC not have a working test kit? This is not a rant - it is a question.

the Chinese have this outbreak and they implement draconian quarantine measures to stop a virus which their own "reporting" shows is not that deadly.
the US has this outbreak starting and the government does not even have a working test kit.

Every other country that has a few confirmed. How do they have confirmed in Iran, Italy, UAE if there are no working test kits. What? . . . Are you going to believe that the "Italians" in some podunk little village has some world class lab tech with the latest Covid-19 test kit direct from China? Or Iran? Or Brazil?

There was something the President said "The flu in our country kills from 25,000 people to 69,000 people a year. That was shocking to me."

The CDC reports that during the 2018-2019: "CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1)."

The CDC reports the average annual since 2010: "CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010."

Note that the President's estimates are higher than the CDC's. At the low end, Trump said 25,000 and the CDC said 12,000.
His starting point is double the CDC estimate - that is not a rounding error. And Trumps top number of 69,000 is double the number of deaths last year and 8 thousand higher than the average.

So, lets get back to the original question.
Why does our CDC not have a working test kit?
The answer is clear. They do.
They are simply not testing. Why not? Because they already know it is here.
Why would I not want to test? Well, because they can trace the origin of the virus through DNA analysis. And I do not think they want anyone to know where it originated.

They know how bad it will be and the President told you last night.
The combined deaths from Flu and Coronavirus will be double the average death toll from the Flu.
 

bcingu

Senior Member
A little thread drift

A travel report:

In DFW, I had to take the tram from one terminal to another.

The DFW tram... no operator and it's route takes it away from the terminals with nothing on the horizon. Just as the terminal disappears it turns back towards the terminal. Good times, good times. LOL
 

Scotto

Set Apart
Jonathan Cheng‏Verified account @JChengWSJ 1m1 minute ago

The coronavirus outbreak in S. Korea is now spreading faster than the epidemic in China, underscoring the difficulties in containing the spread of a disease that some observers already believe to be a pandemic. @ByChunHan

I don't believe that.

What I see happening is South Korea being more honest and giving us the REAL numbers - which China manipulated and down-played for the world.
So it may seem like it's spreading faster than it did in China, simply due to honest reporting.

I think the planet would $h!t a collective brick if we knew how many people actually died from this in China.
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Fellow that runs www.AlertsUSA.com is a 20 year friend of mine that I touch bases
with daily when any crisis in the wind, like here lately. He's very well connected and
is now saying out loud on his FB page what we'd been most recently discussing...

Coronavirus Testing - - Here are the Facts
You work in a hospital. You run a flu panel on an ER patient that comes back NEGATIVE, but there is no followup #COVIDー19 #coronavirus test to run ON-SITE. So you send them home, potentially infecting dozens of others in the process.
Un-**cking-believable.
CDC / HHS / FDA have really dropped the ball.
Yes, President Trump spoke in glowing terms about HHS/CDC/NIH last night, but to do otherwise and to call it out publicly would have seriously panicked the nation.
We have it on good authority from multiple people working directly with the White House that behind the scenes, heads are rolling and the whip is cracking.
While you will not hear this version from the MSM, this is the exact situation that exists. Individual hospitals, public health labs, and a majority of state labs, etc *** ARE NOT YET ABLE *** TO TEST FOR THIS VIRUS.
Any further case testing has to go through CDC in Atlanta (or perhaps 1-2 designated outside labs). That means multi-day delays (shipping sample, waiting for test, waiting for reporting), which means patients are sent home, which means there is a HIGH potential for additional infection spread.
It also means contact tracing is near impossible given how many investigators are necessary in the best of circumstances.
It is no wonder that we have such low numbers nationally. You can't have any firm grasp of the severity of the spread if you are not testing.
Consider this:
S. Korea and Japan are testing THOUSANDS per day.
Since the start of the crisis, CDC has tested less than 1000.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html
Let that sink in while you are prepping.
___________________________

BTW, his service www.AlertsUSA.com is well worth subscribing to.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!

- Shane
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
Also, Pence shook his head back and forth, not up and down, when he said "We will work closely with Congress"...........

And these body language gestures convey more truth than words do. The President's one major stumble in his opening remarks (noted by HD about 4 pages back) had him doing an involuntary shoulder shrug (lying) when he said, "We don't know whether we're at that very low level." (Referring to virus spread).

I like Trump. I'll be happy to vote for him in November if I'm still alive and we have elections. That was dark, I know.

Sadly, last night's conference has me thinking about Georgia Guidestones and Deagle Report. Yes, conspiracy theories.
 
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